Another school shooting

[star seed 7]

Cops are scared of pretty much everything though

[sonofdaxjones]

Tucker Carlson threatens!!   I mean 

Goodness

[kim carnes]

The police thing is absolutely appalling.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I wouldn't expect cops anywhere else to act any differently.

[420seriouscat69]

I wouldn't expect cops anywhere else to act any differently.

Cops suck complete ass, but say that to some of the dead from 9/11 and other tragedies. They're better trained in larger markets. Either way, super shitty and terrifying.

[catastrophe]

The United States is not the only country that has mass shootings.   Depending on how you want to bend the statistics and how you want to define what is and isn't a mass shooting, it could be said that the United States has a disproportionate amount of mass shootings.    Just because we've just accepted that the cartels in Mexico (for example) kill a bunch of people in mass all the time (like 11 dead in two bars in a cartel mass shooting in the last 48 hours) doesn't make it any less of a . . . mass shooting.     Obviously that's still not a trophy anybody wants in their trophy case.

But the "It only happens in the United States" trope is simply not reality. 





 

Can you pull the school shooting stats for us real quick?

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's pretty amazing to look at gun restrictions when Columbine happened and then look at how much regulation has been eliminated since.

[420seriouscat69]

You guys ever watch War Dogs? it's all about the $. Sucks!

[Dugout DickStone]

Could we at least get behind "red flag laws" as a starting point?

https://thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r

Agreed.  Throw out the we need more good guys with guns because that makes it worse

[Justwin]

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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/family-fun-pack/

I will have to read more about this. I have seen some of Bruenig's stuff before and I know he is focused on making things easier for low-income families.

[420seriouscat69]

I knew this take was coming...

https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1529806204595232768?s=20&t=I9Hww98WMke-80bqLC4j8Q

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, if you tell cops they can't kill unarmed, handcuffed men, how can you expect them to know that it's ok to kill a man who is gunning down 10 year old children?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch. Also, people could not legally open carry in Kansas, concealed carry was not allowed, and assault-style weapons were federally banned. Columbine happened and everyone was shocked, because shootings like that just didn't happen. So we apparently responded to that crisis by getting rid of all of those restrictions (not even requiring permits to carry), allowing the sale of title II NFA guns, and passing a whole bunch of laws prohibiting cities to issue any sort of controls of their own. It's all very mumped up.

I'm betting the takeaway from this is to bring bump stocks back and arm teachers. People have been calling for it and they are eventually going to get heard.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah, if you tell cops they can't kill unarmed, handcuffed men, how can you expect them to know that it's ok to kill a man who is gunning down 10 year old children?

Also, you skew the risk/reward.  If cops don’t get the to execute homeless for petty theft how do you expect them to risk physical harm to stop the slaughter of 4th graders?

[Institutional Control]

https://twitter.com/Ernie_Zuniga/status/1529872688939995136?s=20&t=cb62SmdxXCrGyRn9tZdaKw

[420seriouscat69]

Jesus

[Dugout DickStone]

Jesus

those kids

[CNS]

If more good guys had guns, those parents might have overwhelmed those worthless cops and ran into the school.

Armed groups of highly emotional and untrained civilians roaming the elementary school halls.  This is definitely what would help all of these situations.

I think we should pre-emptively shoot everyone who enters a school in the leg.  That way, if you do happen to have nefarious plans, you are super easy to outrun and or catch.

[sonofdaxjones]

Let the parents stand outside and listen to their babies getting slaughtered while the cops stand there and do nothing  . . . (CNS)

[sys]

I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch.

the lack of freedom we impose in order to protect our sacred freedoms is appalling.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I visited a school for a career day thing and couldn't believe how locked down everything was. My high school had about 10 different points of entry, all unlocked, parking on every side of the building, and open lunch.

the lack of freedom we impose in order to protect our sacred freedoms is appalling.

Yes. The amount of crap we put these kids through simply so some of us can take an AR-15 to the range is ridiculous.

[nicname]

Public schools are often like prisons. It’s gross.

[nicname]

Bitch-ass cops too imo.

[cfbandyman]

Public schools are often like prisons. It’s gross.

They literally are. I got an acquaintance who does electrical design for commercial projects. He mostly does schools and prisons, why? "Because they're basically built to be the same thing"

[Dugout DickStone]

I have no problems with schools being secure not only for the gun nut there to kill but the 20 year old who wants to still rome the halls or the dude selling the drugs.