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[star seed 7]

If Emo couldn't kill animals he'd likely turn to killing humans to satisfy his bloodlust

Nope I'm pro-life brah.

Let's see how long that lasts if you weren't able to mutilate animals

[CNS]

Yes, one would definitely have to factor ease of access to huntable lands/fishable waters, distance from home, financial components of gun purchase/maintenance/ammo/fishing supplies, fossil fuels expanded, licensing expenditures etc. etc.   Only under certain circumstances could I see hunting/fishing being a viable and economical model for subsistence relative to the availability of food as it relates to modern society in the year of our Flying Spaghetti Monster 2015.

It's probably just more an excuse to get out of the house.   One could reasonably discuss the potential health benefits of a hunting/fishing based diet if cooking methodologies are included.

for what I would guess is a large majority of hunters, this is totally true.  Hunting is pretty damn expensive if you don't own and live on the land you hunt.

[michigancat]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

[wetwillie]

I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

[CNS]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Situational. 

Some hunting takes place over larger distances and with animals that ppl would rarely be able to get an archery shot at.  Also, some bird hunting would be all but impossible with a bow, such as quail and pheasant.

Bow hunting is also a separate season in most cases, in KS anyway, and hunters treat it almost as a separate sport.  Many go bow hunting in Oct, then riffle hunting in Dec, for example. 

[Emo EMAW]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Nothing, that's what I'm doing now.  It's generally more difficult.  Also, with just archery, F&G departments would be hard pressed to meet their management objectives for many game species.  Would lead to increase of landowner issues, car wrecks, disease that can be transferable to livestock, etc.

[sys]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

it's much harder (super hard for flying birds).  also not everyone prefers for the animals they kill to run around in pain for a half or so as they slowly bleed to death.

[SdK]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Requires more skill.

[SdK]

What's wrong with just using a bow and arrow to hunt?

Requires more skill.

Well I guess not. Can just spotlight the deer.

[michigancat]

oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

[CNS]

I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Like ksuw in the abortion thread

Don't make me get out the scorecard, son.

[michigancat]

Like ksuw in the abortion thread

Don't make me get out the scorecard, son.

, son.

[sys]

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

[CNS]

oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

Easier in most cases for sure.  The gun also makes it possible and safer in other cases.  Again, I certainly wouldn't want ppl launching arrows up in the air at flying quail.  God knows where they would fall and who it would hurt.  Where a shotgun blast has a surprisingly short range to the point where you can easily understand what you can effect by shooting one at a bird.

[CNS]

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

Agreed.  But if you are out of state, it's problematic.

[michigancat]

oh so it's easier to kill animals with a gun. makes sense I guess.

Easier in most cases for sure.  The gun also makes it possible and safer in other cases.  Again, I certainly wouldn't want ppl launching arrows up in the air at flying quail.  God knows where they would fall and who it would hurt.  Where a shotgun blast has a surprisingly short range to the point where you can easily understand what you can effect by shooting one at a bird.

the arrows would probably fall in a pasture

[wetwillie]

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?

[Emo EMAW]

I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

[CNS]

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?

Rocky Mt National Forrest is the closest and best bet.  They have a small amt on Ft Riley, but it is a lottery to get a tag and tag numbers are super low. 

[Emo EMAW]

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

it's not at all hard to butcher animals.  people are so rough ridin' lazy.

So lets let'sI butcher this thing myself and don't consider any of the time spent doing it as a cost where do I shoot one at?

Average non-resident tags are ~$500, unfortunately.  The Colorado over-the-counter success rate is about 12% for a $616 tag cost.  So if you think about it an elk is worth over $5000 to the state of Colorado.

[wetwillie]

I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

[Emo EMAW]

I have multiple subcontractors that shoot/reel in 90% of all meat their family eats.  They like it, but are also in a low earnings sitch.  They keep themselves there, but again, they claim to like it. 

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Hunted meat is far less economical than clipping coupons and shopping at aldi or something similar.

That isn't always the case.  A resident elk tag might be ~$50 for 300 pounds of the very best quality meat (no hormones, no steroids, no anti-biotics, etc). 

If I had known elk meat was available for .17/lb I would have been hunting my ass iff years ago.

It's not.  The cost to have that butchered is probably $300-$500.  Then you have to transport it frozen.  The low cost above would only be right if you owned land that you hunted, then cleaned and butchered it yourself.

No that cost applies to an elk taken on public land by a resident hunter of most western states.  And yes self butchered which isn't that difficult, and certainly something someone who was very cost sensitive would learn to do themselves.

Could I haul this thing off in my 98 camry somehow?

Access to an SUV would be better.  You'll need at least one 130 quart cooler to get it home, and honestly you'd rather have two coolers to keep the ice/meat ratio better. 

[sys]

if you're going to another state to hunt, you aren't a cost-conscious hunter.  if you live in kansas, and want cheap wild large mammal meat, you're going to have eat whitetail, not elk.

[sys]

or pig, i guess.