Another school shooting

[puniraptor]

the hypothesis is that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue was guns

[star seed 7]

Only gun nuts like emo

[puniraptor]

the hypothesis is that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue was guns

It might be that a percentage of reds would go blue if blue were the gun party. If so, then some gun reds would admit that to me in this thread.

[CNS]

Single issue voters.

I don't think most reds are single issue voters.  I think most would still be reds due to immigration, welfare, and abortion.  Most hardcore gun ppl I know seem to care a bunch about that stuff too.

[star seed 7]

The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think

[Emo EMAW]

I don't think anybody votes for anyone and believes 100% the same things that that candidate believes.  For example in the past I have supported candidates that probably didn't support gay marriage.  My parents voted for opposing candidates in the last presidential election, yet I think without a doubt one of them would have been better off for both of them. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

thought experiment time:

what if the parties flipped places on the gun issue? like the bernie socialist democratic party was the champion of unlimited gun freedom and the 2nd amendment and the "small gov" conservative pubs wanted to ban and take your guns?

all other things remain the same, the parties flip flop on gun rights. what do people do? what do YOU do?

I'd be very confused. I'd be like "why are the Democrats all for freedom when it comes to drugs, guns, and killing babies, but nothing else?"

Currently, I'm like "why are the Democrats all for freedom when it comes to drugs and killing babies, but nothing else?"

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think

We've already got it! Feel better now?

EDIT: Oh wait, I think I know where you're going with this... you want Universal Free (b/c It's Paid for By Somebody Else) Healthcare. We don't have that yet. Sorry to get your hopes up.

[star seed 7]

The closest I come to single issue voter is universal healthcare I think

We've already got it! Feel better now?

EDIT: Oh wait, I think I know where you're going with this... you want Universal Free (b/c It's Paid for By Somebody Else) Healthcare. We don't have that yet. Sorry to get your hopes up.

No

[Emo EMAW]

If you only eat organic food and do yoga you won't ever have the need for traditional healthcare anyway.

[steve dave]

guns don't kill people, toddlers do

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=pm_business_pop_b

[CNS]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

[CNS]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

[star seed 7]

If a mentally ill toddler wants to kill someone, they will find a way, taking away guns won't solve that

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

Lots of people smoke pot, even though it's a crime.  Think we should have stricter punishment for it?

[puniraptor]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

[puniraptor]

probably doesnt matter though, would criminal charges really make like any worse when your kid accidentally shoots itself to death?

maybe where your kids accidentally kills someone elses kid it would help

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

Not sure that parental negligence is a reason for banning something. How many kids drowned in swimming pools this last year? Or from drinking cleaning products? Should we ban those things, too?

I'm also reminded of the Wichita foster couple that left their toddler to bake in the car while they were busy getting baked on pot inside. We should have a federal law making pot illegal (oh wait, we do).

[puniraptor]

jesus christ your brain is practically useless

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.

[steve dave]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.

dig away

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the policy change needs to be very very harsh sentences for ppl who's guns are used by their kids.

Can they not be charged with a crime and punished today?

I am sure they can be.  It obviously isn't very much of a deterrent, currently, though.

its state by state. many states consider it as just bad luck, an accident, an act of god. like a tornado or lightning strike

I wonder if the rate that this kind of things happens is different in states where there is a law on the books versus the states where there is not a law on the books.  Would make good evidence if someone cared enough to dig into it.

dig away

I don't actually care enough though.  Figured CNS or puni might.

[star seed 7]

Wonkblog 

[puniraptor]

texas has a law, lousiana doesnt. jfc missouri needs to be excommunicated.

again, death of a child is probably the worst possible punishment so im guessing the laws have little effect.