Another school shooting

[sys]

They were pretty much the last slavery holdouts of the civilized world at the time.

no they weren't.

[michigancat]

They were pretty much the last slavery holdouts of the civilized world at the time.

no they weren't.

Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?

[sys]

Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Pretty sly of those southern plantation owners to get millions of men without slaves to die for slavery so the aristocrats could hang onto slaves until the cotton gin came around a few years later.  No way that war was about the industrialized states ruining the southern economy for their own financial gain.

[michigancat]

Portugese and French island colonies? Where else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"

[star seed 7]

next we are going to find out fsd is a holocaust denier

[sys]

I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"

are you defining it as places where slaves were never held significant numbers plus areas that had recently experienced armed rebellions resulting in the abolition of slavery plus the british west indies?

[CNS]

It was def about their economy, which just happened to be bolstered almost exclusively by slave labor.

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[michigancat]

I guess it depends on how you define "civilized world"

are you defining it as places where slaves were never held significant numbers plus areas that had recently experienced armed rebellions resulting in the abolition of slavery plus the british west indies?

I was thinking Europe and the Americas. Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.

[sys]

Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.

i don't think that's true, assuming you're not talking about romans or serfs.  but feel free to provide evidence.  prevalent meaning commonly practiced, not commonly legal.

[sys]

i guess it was mildly common in the ottoman empire, which controlled a pretty good chunk of europe for a time.

[michigancat]

Slavery was fairly prevalent in parts of Europe.

i don't think that's true, assuming you're not talking about romans or serfs.  but feel free to provide evidence.  prevalent meaning commonly practiced, not commonly legal.

Here's a quick example - I'm running around and on my phone so I haven't been too thorough:

By the year 1552 African slaves made up 10 percent of the population of Lisbon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_slavery

I'll acknowledge that the prevalence of slavery in the south was largely born out of geography, but I don't think that means those that fought to preserve it deserve to be revered, especially when the lasting effects of that culture still creates problems today.

[sys]

good find on lisbon.  i'm guessing they were still an relatively minor part of the population of portugal as a whole.


i agree on not revering them.  but i also think it's pretty facile to simply label them dirtbags as if that explains anything.  if you and i had been young white men in south carolina in 1860, it's a good bet we'd have done the same thing all the other young white men were doing.

[michigancat]

if you and i had been young white men in south carolina in 1860, it's a good bet we'd have done the same thing all the other young white men were doing.

probably. If we grew up penniless in Saudi Arabia there's a good chance we would have gladly flown a plane into a skyscraper for Allah, too.

(Also, I wouldn't have used "dirtbags" in a conversation with you, while I still don't think it's necessary for them to have a memorial on the grounds of the current seat of government.)

[steve dave]

good debate guys

[michigancat]

[8manpick]

Different time and whatever, forget slavery...that flag represents treason.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

next we are going to find out fsd is a holocaust denier

Keep it up, you don't look like a dumbass at all. Nobody is laughing at how ignorant you are.

[Dugout DickStone]

I am loving FSD in this thread.  The indian casino/convenience store blast!

[Mrs. Gooch]

A confederate war museum seems like a misuse of public funds.

IMO a museum and a memorial are not the same. A museum can document history without glorifying the confederate states and their position on slavery.

[0.42]

FSD is definitely a mental gymnastics gold medalist

[BIG APPLE CAT]

A confederate war museum seems like a misuse of public funds.

IMO a museum and a memorial are not the same. A museum can document history without glorifying the confederate states and their position on slavery.

Whether it's a museum or memorial kind of becomes a moot point when it takes a 2/3 majority in the state legislature to take it down.

[Mr Bread]

Luked?

https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/613050071291154432

I feel like people keep trying to make excuses for the south's racism by shifting the blame to a single weirdo kid when it's an entire culture of racist fucks that made a weirdo kid a homicidal racist.

i don't think they made him homicidal.  any more than any of the other parts of the country have made various mass murders homicidal.  racist sure. 

[CNS]

Kinda surprised he didnt shoot up the girl or something like that if she was the problem.   

[Mr Bread]

Kinda surprised he didnt shoot up the girl or something like that if she was the problem.   

well he apparently didn't kill the new bf either.  who knew mass murders could be so irrational.