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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: GregKSU1027 on November 15, 2024, 08:01:16 AM
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Guys I think we got played, last night is the 2nd to worst non con game I have ever seen in that building. We have to do something. I am afraid we paid all this money to strike out on not only transfers but next year’s recruiting class.
This model of basketball is unsustainable for us. I would like to think Jeromes seat is at least warm after yesterday’s poor performance.
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Dear Lord
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Counterpoint: shut up Greg
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Guys I think we got played, last night is the 2nd to worst non con game I have ever seen in that building. We have to do something. I am afraid we paid all this money to strike out on not only transfers but next year’s recruiting class.
This model of basketball is unsustainable for us. I would like to think Jeromes seat is at least warm after yesterday’s poor performance.
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if this is true, we are in big trouble Greg because this is how basketball works now. I disagree though.
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if you're going to troll at least be funny or original
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Tang. Unapologetically.
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Man the meltdowns on Twitter about this game were/are wild. I would imagine if the football team hadn't lost to Houston, or had won a game since then to get the taste out of our mouths, our fanbase wouldn't be freaking out so much.
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Man the meltdowns on Twitter about this game were/are wild. I would imagine if the football team hadn't lost to Houston, or had won a game since then to get the taste out of our mouths, our fanbase wouldn't be freaking out so much.
I just laughed at the tweets, they were so outlandish it was hard to take any of it seriously. I haven't been to KSO today, but I can't imagine those psychopaths taking it well.
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The product on the court doesn't look very good right now but it's dumb to say Tang is a fraud. I'm surprised how bad at rebounding and defense we are given that's kind of this staffs calling card. The good news is the talent is there to make a nice season happen he just needs to coach them up.
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I don't think we're bad at defense, but we're definitely bad at rebounding and it sounds like the staff knows it. This team isn't much different than a lot of the Baylor teams were. We have an entire roster comprised of tweeners, so with that performances are going to be really matchup dependent. I think we are built well to play against teams like KU and Iowa State, who have a good bit of size and skill. Teams that just chuck it up on the rim and go get it are clearly going to be a problem for us. Styles make fights and if we were in the SEC we'd be mumped.
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I don't think we're bad at defense, but we're definitely bad at rebounding and it sounds like the staff knows it. This team isn't much different than a lot of the Baylor teams were. We have an entire roster comprised of tweeners, so with that performances are going to be really matchup dependent. I think we are built well to play against teams like KU and Iowa State, who have a good bit of size and skill. Teams that just chuck it up on the rim and go get it are clearly going to be a problem for us. Styles make fights and if we were in the SEC we'd be mumped.
I think simultaneously giving up a ton of offensive boards and also having a ton of turnovers and rebounds that lead to easy runouts in transition is a particularly bad combo to have. We had 7 turnovers and gave up 13 points off them. That's crazy.
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Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.
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Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.
losses like this happen to basically everyone outside of the top 10. And it will happen even more when basically every high major roster has 10 new players every year.
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just a public service announcement to say that it was also only game three for LSU
we aren’t “built” to play against anyone particularly and if we played KU last night they would have beat us by 50.
lastly, don’t accuse me of melting down just because i’m calling out that there’s a coaching problem with this program.
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'Clams has been waiting to crockpot Jerome since he stepped foot in Manhattan
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just a public service announcement to say that it was also only game three for LSU
we aren’t “built” to play against anyone particularly and if we played KU last night they would have beat us by 50.
lastly, don’t accuse me of melting down just because i’m calling out that there’s a coaching problem with this program.
#teamclams
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
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Imagine watching that pile of hot garbage last night . . . and then being upset that people called it a pile of hot garbage
Maybe K-State Family is where some of you should be instead of this blog
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Imagine watching that pile of hot garbage last night . . . and then being upset that people called it a pile of hot garbage
Maybe K-State Family is where some of you should be instead of this blog
You can recognize the outcome of the game was not ideal and still think Jerome will get the ship right.
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lastly, don’t accuse me of melting down just because i’m calling out that there’s a coaching problem with this program.
Imagine watching that pile of hot garbage last night . . . and then being upset that people called it a pile of hot garbage
unless I missed something, and it's entirely possible, these seem strawman'y. The reaction in this thread are to people saying that Jerome Tang's seat is warm and people on twitter saying worse. I don't think you'll see any reaction to acknowledging that last night was rough ridin' terrible.
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I give the ship righting a coin flip chance.
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I give the ship righting a coin flip chance.
which is fair and reasonable
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'Clams has been waiting to crockpot Jerome since he stepped foot in Manhattan
#crocked
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none.
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.
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Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.
This is the way. Its November basketball, as long as we aren't losing to ft hays state I really don't make much judgement on how we look.
That being said we looked awful last night, luckily it was November and we will have plenty of time to get better.
#TeamTang
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Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none.
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.
we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
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Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?
Rebounding coach needs to pack his crap
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none.
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.
we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me. i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.
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Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?
the current staff just need to get better
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none.
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.
we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me. i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.
Am I supposed to think a nit season after an elite 8 is enough to throw myself in front of a truck? I do not expect our basketball program to make the NCAA tournament every season. If in a five year period we play in 3 NCAA tournaments, one whatever the new Big 12 Vegas not thing and one miss the post season entirely, with competing for a conference championship at least once every five years, essentially what OU has been our entire lives, I'd be fine with that. If the only standard of happiness with this program is making the NCAA tournament every year, I might as well stop watching.
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i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none.
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.
we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me. i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.
Am I supposed to think a nit season after an elite 8 is enough to throw myself in front of a truck? I do not expect our basketball program to make the NCAA tournament every season. If in a five year period we play in 3 NCAA tournaments, one whatever the new Big 12 Vegas not thing and one miss the post season entirely, with competing for a conference championship at least once every five years, essentially what OU has been our entire lives, I'd be fine with that. If the only standard of happiness with this program is making the NCAA tournament every year, I might as well stop watching.
and you’re here accusing others of bad faith strawman arguments
no one is suggesting anyone throw themselves in front of a truck. what I am saying is that thursday wasn’t an isolated incident. it was more of what we saw last year. that this could be a problem, and that the staff could be mishandling the players on a completely “rebuilt” roster if this trend continues.
what you’ve said is that it’s just one game and we’re more of a team that’s built to go toe to toe with the likes of the one number one team in the country and we just aren’t built right to not get throttled at home against programs like the 40th ranked LSU tigers who were picked to place 14th in their league
every coach in the country relies on exploiting match ups, it’s not like we’re any different. what we saw from this team on thursday has nothing to do with being a team of “tweeners”.
it was lack of hustle, lack of discipline, lack of commitment, this all comes from coaching, has nothing to do with the other crap
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I don't see it being the same mistakes as last year since we only turned the ball over 7 times last night. I don't know how we miss so many layups. I'm assuming it's just a bad luck night, because any D1 player should be able to make layups at a pretty high clip. But maybe it is, in fact, part of the Tang experience.
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Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.
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Clams, I feel like I'm being gE'd here. As been pointed out the only real similarity to the LSU loss and last year is that we didn't rebound well. We lost because LSU shot well and we didn't. I don't think poor shooting is going to be a hallmark of this team, but it's college basketball so it's almost certainly going to happen again. I don't see any correlation to last year's team, if you do, you do, but I didn't. We're a team that's projected to be like a 10 seed who lost an early season game to a NIT team, sorry but I don't feel the need to panic here.
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Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.
Why did you only include Hausen's 3PT slash line?
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Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.
Why did you only include Hausen's 3PT slash line?
Excluding Hausen, the team went 3 for 15 m8 lmao
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:)
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Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.
LSU was in control the last 25 to 30 minutes of the game. We never made a serious run at them in the second half, despite Cam and friends turning the ball over like Cats of last year.
Rebounding is especially concerning because Tang has said improving ball handling and rebounding were the focus of our recruiting. Achor Achor might help if he ever sees the floor for any significant time.
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more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.
Yeah, this is it for me. I'm not anti-Tang or anything, but I hoped we would look like we took strides from last year. I expect us to beat almost any unranked team at home.
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It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.
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Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.
This is the way. Its November basketball, as long as we aren't losing to ft hays state I really don't make much judgement on how we look.
That being said we looked awful last night, luckily it was November and we will have plenty of time to get better.
#TeamTang
Oh yeah, we got to do much better. But I am going to trust the process for now.
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We have to win by 50+ tonight to be back in my good graces. :bwpopcorn:
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Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364 :drool:
They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).
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It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.
if we included gene in the conversation, which we should, then it would be Hang with Tang and the Stang
i’d be willing to sit down with the pair and have this difficult conversation. as brene brown taught me, being clear is kind.
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Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364 :drool:
They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).
They are perpetually in the running for the worst b-ball team in the country. They've lost at least 25 games in 9 of the last 10 seasons and the one year they didn't, they played a shortened schedule and went 2-22.
The entire athletic department has a budget of less than $5 million and b-ball's budget is less than $500k.
Incredibly tough place to win...
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Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364 :drool:
They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).
Some facts about Mississippi University for Women Owls:
-It has admitted dongs since 1982, and dongs now make up around 22% of genitals on campus.
-It was founded in 1884 as the Mississippi Industrial Institute and College for the Education of White Girls.
-It didn't play sports at all between 2002 and 2017 after an F3 tornado ripped through town.
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They absolutely have the best twitter account in college sports.
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1858980510908964894
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1858582904844034241
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1858361778855686283
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1857926643509244186
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1857893025604902937
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1853633912121204865
https://x.com/MVSUMBB/status/1857287318383563198
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lol that's great. Thanks for sharing, MIR.
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:bwpopcorn:
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It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.
if we included gene in the conversation, which we should, then it would be Hang with Tang and the Stang
i’d be willing to sit down with the pair and have this difficult conversation. as brene brown taught me, being clear is kind.
The way things are going…it is going to be a Harangue with Tang and ‘Stang
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It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.
if we included gene in the conversation, which we should, then it would be Hang with Tang and the Stang
i’d be willing to sit down with the pair and have this difficult conversation. as brene brown taught me, being clear is kind.
The way things are going…it is going to be a Harangue with Tang and ‘Stang
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Heat check, anyone with a pulse. We may go 0fer in this holiday tournament. Are we all ok with that???
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Heat check, anyone with a pulse. We may go 0fer in this holiday tournament. Are we all ok with that???
we beat GW
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Heat check, anyone with a pulse. We may go 0fer in this holiday tournament. Are we all ok with that???
brother, are you okay?
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Ups are better after a down.
I hope DNG gets 25 tonight.
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given that tang has now provided more than enough evidence that shows he’s only capable of winning with oscar’s players, the question becomes who on the current staff gets removed in order to make room for our new recruiting coordinator, oscar weber
i’m not sure which of our staff is the weakest, since we don’t really excel at any particular part of the game so I’ll have to defer to the staff experts on the board to offer up some scalps
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given that tang has now provided more than enough evidence that shows he’s only capable of winning with oscar’s players, the question becomes who on the current staff gets removed in order to make room for our new recruiting coordinator, oscar weber
i’m not sure which of our staff is the weakest, since we don’t really excel at any particular part of the game so I’ll have to defer to the staff experts on the board to offer up some scalps
He ran off Oscar's players, dumbass.
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Counterpoint: shut up Greg
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
Definitely. This may be an exciting season for all the wrong reasons. . . :bwpopcorn:
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
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It's really puzzling to me that they went after Dug so hard as their cornerstone to this years team and appear to have gotten 0 buy in out of him. Hes clearly immensely talented but looks like he gives 0 fucks about the outcome of the game.
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
Last year I thought they lacked talent but played hard and this year it seems like they were all misjudged talent and they don't really play hard
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It's really puzzling to me that they went after Dug so hard as their cornerstone to this years team and appear to have gotten 0 buy in out of him. Hes clearly immensely talented but looks like he gives 0 fucks about the outcome of the game.
It feels like there are quite a few guys that were basically the first or second option at their old teams and don't know what to do as the third or fourth or fifth. Dug I think could/should be a first option here but dunno
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My biggest question is whetherTang and Co wanted to hang on to guys like Ames and RJ Jones, and even Cam, or they wanted to gut the team again and basically start over from scratch. If there wasn’t any holding on to the guys who transferred away, then it’s hard to fault them for trying to make the best of the situation.
But, if the plan was to jettison all these guys and overhaul the roster, then I have little sympathy tbh.
We’d be a better team with a roster consisting of the better part of
Ames
RJ Jones
Cam
Colbert
N’Guessan
Rich
Finister
Kaluma
Castillo
Manning …two or three transfers in than what we’re trotting out there this season. They’d be a lot more easy to root for as a fan as well.
Again, Inhave no clue how many of those guys simply weren’t going to be coming back either way.
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
Last year I thought they lacked talent but played hard and this year it seems like they were all misjudged talent and they don't really play hard
Right. They were a squad you could see had the potential to build on with an added piece or two, and/or simple experience and maturation.
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My biggest question is whetherTang and Co wanted to hang on to guys like Ames and RJ Jones, and even Cam, or they wanted to gut the team again and basically start over from scratch. If there wasn’t any holding on to the guys who transferred away, then it’s hard to fault them for trying to make the best of the situation.
But, if the plan was to jettison all these guys and overhaul the roster, then I have little sympathy tbh.
We’d be a better team with a roster consisting of the better part of
Ames
RJ Jones
Cam
Colbert
N’Guessan
Rich
Finister
Kaluma
Castillo
Manning …two or three transfers in than what we’re trotting out there this season. They’d be a lot more easy to root for as a fan as well.
Again, Inhave no clue how many of those guys simply weren’t going to be coming back either way.
It's a completely new world. I think most coaches that are good people and successful previously deserve a bit of a grace period as they figure out the new transfer portal/NIL landscape. It's pretty clear the staff did a very good job winning the recruiting battles but it was either the wrong talent (or let the wrong talent go) and/or they have done a bad job with the players they got. It's really a combination of both and they need to learn but I expect a lot of wild swings year-to-year for most non-blue-bloods until things stabilize (if they ever do)
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
Last year I thought they lacked talent but played hard and this year it seems like they were all misjudged talent and they don't really play hard
Right. They were a squad you could see had the potential to build on with an added piece or two, and/or simple experience and maturation.
You watched the same team I did that got smoked in the first round of the NIT right?
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
Last year I thought they lacked talent but played hard and this year it seems like they were all misjudged talent and they don't really play hard
Right. They were a squad you could see had the potential to build on with an added piece or two, and/or simple experience and maturation.
You watched the same team I did that got smoked in the first round of the NIT right?
They also won 3 games against top 10 teams :dunno:
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this thing may get completely off rails with games vs an undefeated Drake in KC followed by a trip to Wichita vs an 8-1 Shocker team in front of the football first, casual hoops fans.
it’s not been on the rails for a couple years
i’ll keep saying it, this season is an extension of last. nothing has changed.
Last year I thought they lacked talent but played hard and this year it seems like they were all misjudged talent and they don't really play hard
both teams were/are talented but neither play well together. i’ve never seen anything like it, it’s like every time they play together is the first time they’ve played together.
one weakness last year was we didn’t have a point guard and had TP playing out of position. this year we have dug but the rest of the roster minus DNG are lost.
cj jones is a liability on the floor as are many of the second string players
peggy po is that they played pretty well for the first ten minutes today, tang and staff will build on those ten minutes. he’s got a big puzzle to figure out with these rotations though
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I feel they will come together and Tang will find the right mix. Puzzled by some of the personnel moves. The CJ starting over Dug has to end, tho. Achor Achor should be more productive, but seems so lost of D. And Rich didn't even see the floor today, even when we were getting manhandled on the boards in the second half.
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Amazing meltdown by Scott on Boscoe Boys yesterday.
TL/DR: Coaching staff thought they could create a good team simply by passing out NIL cash and it ain't working.
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Should have thrown money at at one or two more swing SGs/SFs of quality. But it ain't only Tang and gang. KU unhappy with their haul and Storr in particular.
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this is what you guys wanted lmao
oscar laughing at us rn
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The downhill slide has been a bit puzzling.
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this is what you guys wanted lmao
oscar laughing at us rn
LOL. Oscar was hopelessly out of touch with CBB when he got canned and would be more so in the fullblown NIL era. Although I do imagine you're right and the clueless idiot is laughing.
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I miss junkyard cats
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Yes, there's a decided lack of junkyard in this year's Cats.
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Maybe the Junkyard Cats can join the Lynch Mob and they'll all be back next year. Back on the play hard chart.
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Should have thrown money at at one or two more swing SGs/SFs of quality. But it ain't only Tang and gang. KU unhappy with their haul and Storr in particular.
I'm sure they'll be fine but I never got the with Storr and particularly Mayo.
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like i said before he is nothing without nowell, a freaking sec player of the year, and hitting the lottery with tomlin
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like i said before he is nothing without nowell, a freaking sec player of the year, and hitting the lottery with tomlin
All three ended up here by complete blind lottery, right? Neither he nor the staff had anything to do with evaluating, offering, and landing each player. Everyone knows that after 21-22, K-State fans absolutely adored Nowell and prayed to sweet baby jesus that he stayed here.
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It's "As I said ... " you hick. And who is this SEC POY you eak of? Because that's disingenuous AF.
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It's "As I said ... " you hick. And who is this SEC POY you eak of? Because that's disingenuous AF.
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It's "As I said ... " you hick. And who is this SEC POY you eak of? Because that's disingenuous AF.
my bad. preseason sec poy
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Based on our experience with Frank, oscar and Tang, I've come to a thought. But I can easily be talked out of it.
I think roster and coach chemistry is almost impossible to predict, and the range is wide. We saw Frank go from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. We saw oscar go from Big 12 Champions to irrelevant to Elite 8 to Big 12 Champions to irrelevant. And Tang has gone from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. I don't think this is unique to K-State, I think it is just college basketball outside of 5 or so programs. In fact, the fact that we've had 3 coaches in a row be able to make Elite 8 is pretty rough ridin' wild.
So, I don't know what expectations of a college basketball coach should be. If we make the Elite 8 then go two years without making the tournament, should that be the end of any coach? Should there be one more year where it is tournament or bust? What're the expectations if we brought in a new coach for next season?
Also, how different would vibes be about basketball if K-State football had just won the Big 12? It'd probably be like a parent who is okay with their second child being a big goofball because their oldest is getting straight A's and has interest from Ivy League schools.
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When was Frank Martin irrelevant at KSU?
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Based on our experience with Frank, oscar and Tang, I've come to a thought. But I can easily be talked out of it.
I think roster and coach chemistry is almost impossible to predict, and the range is wide. We saw Frank go from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. We saw oscar go from Big 12 Champions to irrelevant to Elite 8 to Big 12 Champions to irrelevant. And Tang has gone from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. I don't think this is unique to K-State, I think it is just college basketball outside of 5 or so programs. In fact, the fact that we've had 3 coaches in a row be able to make Elite 8 is pretty rough ridin' wild.
So, I don't know what expectations of a college basketball coach should be. If we make the Elite 8 then go two years without making the tournament, should that be the end of any coach? Should there be one more year where it is tournament or bust? What're the expectations if we brought in a new coach for next season?
Also, how different would vibes be about basketball if K-State football had just won the Big 12? It'd probably be like a parent who is okay with their second child being a big goofball because their oldest is getting straight A's and has interest from Ivy League schools.
In regards to your elite 8 comments I think evaluating teams based on their NCAA tourney results is fools gold. Conference record/standings is a much better indicator of how good a team was that year and how we should evaluate how successful a season was IMO. Frank was clearly our GOAT of the last 3.
Frank (12 teams first 3 years, 10 the last 2) - 3, T-4, T-2, T-3, 5
oscar (10 teams) - T-1, 5, T-6, 8, 6, 4, T-1, 10, 10
Tang (10 teams then 14) - 3, T-9, TBD
Also yes, if we had just won the Big12 in FB or at least made the conference championship game Katz fans would be a lot more willing to overlook a slow start by the tang gang.
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oscar was 4th during the elite 8 year. 3 seasons of winning big 12s or going to e8s out of 10 is pretty good! :eek:
frank and jerome have 2 total 🤡
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oscar was 4th during the elite 8 year. 3 seasons of winning big 12s or going to e8s out of 10 is pretty good! :eek:
frank and jerome have 2 total 🤡
bro there’s not a single person here who wanted oscar to leave. he was made fun of here and there for being quirky, but our fan base supported him unconditionally.
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bye Dug :bawl:
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This team's cooked. CJ just kind of sucks and Castillo isn't ready.
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bye Dug :bawl:
You gE'ng?
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bye Dug :bawl:
You gE'ng?
You think a dug would joke around about another dug?
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bye Dug :bawl:
You gE'ng?
You think a dug would joke around about another dug?
There is a dug code.
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Damn. This team is toast.
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Dug details please
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The artist formerly known as Limestone got had by Fitz and the gang
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I hope so. Losing Dug would be a major bummer.
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The artist formerly known as Limestone got had by Fitz and the gang
Yeah I knew it was bogus.
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
could be some. Some are just gen z idiots with Tang in their username somewhere that have zero self-awareness or know anything about how major sports work. Guessing some are also giving money now so they think they can be extra douchey.
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Football school fans.
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also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
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also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
can't believe I used to pay them actual real money
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Based on our experience with Frank, oscar and Tang, I've come to a thought. But I can easily be talked out of it.
I think roster and coach chemistry is almost impossible to predict, and the range is wide. We saw Frank go from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. We saw oscar go from Big 12 Champions to irrelevant to Elite 8 to Big 12 Champions to irrelevant. And Tang has gone from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. I don't think this is unique to K-State, I think it is just college basketball outside of 5 or so programs. In fact, the fact that we've had 3 coaches in a row be able to make Elite 8 is pretty rough ridin' wild.
So, I don't know what expectations of a college basketball coach should be. If we make the Elite 8 then go two years without making the tournament, should that be the end of any coach? Should there be one more year where it is tournament or bust? What're the expectations if we brought in a new coach for next season?
Also, how different would vibes be about basketball if K-State football had just won the Big 12? It'd probably be like a parent who is okay with their second child being a big goofball because their oldest is getting straight A's and has interest from Ivy League schools.
In regards to your elite 8 comments I think evaluating teams based on their NCAA tourney results is fools gold. Conference record/standings is a much better indicator of how good a team was that year and how we should evaluate how successful a season was IMO. Frank was clearly our GOAT of the last 3.
Frank (12 teams first 3 years, 10 the last 2) - 3, T-4, T-2, T-3, 5
oscar (10 teams) - T-1, 5, T-6, 8, 6, 4, T-1, 10, 10
Tang (10 teams then 14) - 3, T-9, TBD
Also yes, if we had just won the Big12 in FB or at least made the conference championship game Katz fans would be a lot more willing to overlook a slow start by the tang gang.
NCAA Seeds:
Frank 11, NIT, 2, 5, 8
oscar 4, 9, none, none, 11, 9, 4, none, none, none
Jerome 3, NIT, …
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
That's a factor with some. With others it's the overt religion, which is hilarious to me because there are posters who make fun of him wearing his religion on his sleeve, but are also the first ones who parrot christofascist talking points on non sports topics.
But no, I don't think it's just race or just religion or even mostly those things. Some of the more vocal posters on that board are just miserable fucks. They are making football threads just as unreadable as the basketball threads. Can't have a thread about anything from recruiting and the transfer portal, to uniforms without someone whining about a coordinator or position coach. Inevitably someone will post, why would player x want to come here with Steve Stannard as their position coach. "Of course Lepak is going to OU, he hates Conor Riley." "Why would that receiver want to come here with a "prema donna" quarterback with a lavendar corvette?" Like this board and GPC, there are a few posters that set the mood there. The problem there is the mood setters are rough ridin' miserable people and are very whiny and aggressive with people who don't think like they do. Shouting down "sunshine pumpers" has always been a segment of k-state message board culture.
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
yeah
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
can't believe I used to pay them actual real money
I still do :cry:
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what are you paying for? i've never been over there so honestly don't know.
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
That's a factor with some. With others it's the overt religion, which is hilarious to me because there are posters who make fun of him wearing his religion on his sleeve, but are also the first ones who parrot christofascist talking points on non sports topics.
But no, I don't think it's just race or just religion or even mostly those things. Some of the more vocal posters on that board are just miserable fucks. They are making football threads just as unreadable as the basketball threads. Can't have a thread about anything from recruiting and the transfer portal, to uniforms without someone whining about a coordinator or position coach. Inevitably someone will post, why would player x want to come here with Steve Stannard as their position coach. "Of course Lepak is going to OU, he hates Conor Riley." "Why would that receiver want to come here with a "prema donna" quarterback with a lavendar corvette?" Like this board and GPC, there are a few posters that set the mood there. The problem there is the mood setters are rough ridin' miserable people and are very whiny and aggressive with people who don't think like they do. Shouting down "sunshine pumpers" has always been a segment of k-state message board culture.
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
yeah
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
can't believe I used to pay them actual real money
I still do :cry:
MiR PI'ings were one of the few enjoyable things at KSO by then end.
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It just kinda a feels like in Jerome Tang's world . . . the fans are at fault for a lot of stuff.
You just got dominated by two guys from Northwest Missouri State and you're whining about what likely amounts to somewhere between 2 and 3 fans?
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Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
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It just kinda a feels like in Jerome Tang's world . . . the fans are at fault for a lot of stuff.
You just got dominated by two guys from Northwest Missouri State and you're whining about what likely amounts to somewhere between 2 and 3 fans?
has he said anything this year? Or is it previous years when he wanted Bram full?
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Fans are expecting to win, as they were told.
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Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
Timing as they say - is everything
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Glad I'm still not caring for about 2 more weeks. But sounds like I probably shouldn't start anyways.
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Fans are expecting to win, as they were told.
Glad I'm still not caring for about 2 more weeks. But sounds like I probably shouldn't start anyways.
100%
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Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
Timing as they say - is everything
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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?
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Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
Timing as they say - is everything
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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?
Where was that said or even implied?
Are we really going to have to suffer through you playing the role of New Wacky - mansplaing and responding in K-State Family over contributor fashion to every perceived slight all year??
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Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
Timing as they say - is everything
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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?
Where was that said or even implied?
Are we really going to have to suffer through you playing the role of New Wacky - mansplaing and responding in K-State Family over contributor fashion to every perceived slight all year??
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If you don't want to get misinterpreted maybe you can post like a normal human being. I don't know how else anyone could interpret your now seemingly ironic timing is everything reply.
If you want to actually get back to the topic, then I'm cool. I have no desire to play kso over here, if we're going to do that you can have it.
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Okay, so you did mean that they shouldn't complain about mean tweets when they're losing. One isn't going to come without the other and even if it did I don't think the coaches and players would care nearly enough if they were winning. Being bothered by bad person tweets is going to come with losing, bottom line.
Tang has demanded a winning culture here from the donors, fans, and the team and the team has no doubt not come close to holding up their part. I do think it's disingenuous for those who act like bad fan behavior is only happening and is excused because Tang has demands and has been public with grand goals. The last guy didn't do any of that and he was crap on as well.
For me the bottom line is simple. None of us; the players, the coaches, and a vocal portion of the fan base are close to performing to anyone's expectation and it has to get better. This is a lost season and if the coaches don't find some continuity with this roster and bring in the right pieces to replace the guys graduating next season will be it.
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Fair enough.
My final .02
Bad fan behavior is not be condoned by the vast majority of the K-State fanbase. The topic is utterly subjective in every way, particularly in today's world, and likely centers around a very small minority.
The fans in the seats demonstrated no such behavior that I observed.
The post game interview room is not the place to bring up the topic of social media meanies minutes after you accepted full responsibility for putting a team out on the floor that spent a good chunk of the game clearly not ready to play.
Any observer will at minimum draw a dotted line back to excuse making. Thus rightly conclude that this is yet another implication by this coach that the K-State fanbase as a collective is something that has to overcome by his basketball program. That's simply not true on any conceivable level. It's Weberesque in every way. The major sport coaches at K-State have one of the cushiest jobs in Power 4 athletics for coaches who hold similar positions. A softballish media contingent, a fanbase that is still dominated by "just happy to be here" folks, and very small minority of social media meanies.
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fair enough. I think it would have been received the same if he addressed it during his weekly press availability, but your point is a fair one.
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can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
Medium dog whistle
Tang has already worn fans out and it took 19 months after being on the cusp of a F4. Pretty incredible. Dude needs to learn how to shut up and coach, his pressers will continue to dig himself a deeper hole.
Dog whistle played on a tornado siren
That’s what arrogance, a big ego, and low intelligence do.
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
Do we think a gambler will physically attack a player someday in the US? I bet there's a good chance. (Heh)
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Openly testing the job market? Is dude not allowed to take job interviews? Did we suddenly become Duke?
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
The guy's insta account is locked. People ran with that assumption because the guy isn't wearing a K-State shirt in his pfp, and he doesn't have some punny K-State name. To rusty's point, why does that matter? The fascination with making sure the dude was a K-State fan is a complete cope. Why are we aren't acting like people with purple on their PFPs aren't saying foul crap to coaches and athletes?
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I am not online to the extent that I know what other fan groups do, but it is nothing short of embarrassing what our fans tweet or post at our players and staff. KSU seems to have a huge portion of fans who are all but drowning in little man syndrome, lack of self-confidence, and lack of social grace. It's gross.
It's one thing to gE about crap here, or with others in the know on other platforms, but it's a complete other thing to say anything like that to players or coaches.
Gross.
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I am not online to the extent that I know what other fan groups do, but it is nothing short of embarrassing what our fans tweet or post at our players and staff. KSU seems to have a huge portion of fans who are all but drowning in little man syndrome, lack of self-confidence, and lack of social grace. It's gross.
It's one thing to gE about crap here, or with others in the know on other platforms, but it's a complete other thing to say anything like that to players or coaches.
Gross.
Agreed 100%
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i don’t know what tang referenced about mean people on twitter but it’s hard to understand why someone would wade into sewage and complain about the smell
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Can he really not coach? I mean, we weren’t all that talented last year, but managed to put together a competitive season. Is this just a bad roster, or does another coach get them playing as a decent team?
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I suspect there's a lot of conversations about Tang.
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as bad as last year was, I think this is worse. at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball. the coaches have to get their crap together.
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as bad as last year was, I think this is worse. at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball. the coaches have to get their crap together.
I don’t think last year was particularly bad at all. That squad could have improved into a decent team w an addition or two.
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https://x.com/kellisrobinett/status/1870662473050943840?s=46
Oh how the mighty have fallen
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Say less, Jerome. Say less.
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as bad as last year was, I think this is worse. at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball. the coaches have to get their crap together.
I kinda think this roster is worse. It's definitely worse if Tomlin could have played last year.
I didn't see Dug at Michigan but all the other guys are role players at best at this level. And it seems like Tang might be trying to get Castillo more experience for the future
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yeah maybe. not having a point guard last season and playing TP out of position was a major factor. at least we have two point guards this year. at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.
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at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.
That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
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at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.
That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out. we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.
the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling
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compare these two teams’ season stats and what sticks out the most
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2024-25
https://kuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats
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at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.
That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out. we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.
the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling
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I did a double take when I saw the box score. Shooting 32 threes at under 30% is nuts. Our borderline 5 star SG went 0-7.
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at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.
That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out. we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.
the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling
Don't get me wrong - I don't think Hawkins is good enough for the offense to flow through him, especially 5 feet beyond the 3 point line. I'm just saying not many people have back to the basket posts these days. The fact that we're using Hawkins the way we are is because of recruiting failures - there isn't anyone on the roster now who has shown they're a better primary option.
I don't see better sets or fewer threes making a difference this year. The staff simply mumped up recruiting and retaining talent.
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
Do we think a gambler will physically attack a player someday in the US? I bet there's a good chance. (Heh)
There is a great chance.
https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses (https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses)
I completely foreswore sports betting after losing a big bet on K-State beating Arky St. after j rake told me it was a sure thing because Arky St had a COVID outbreak. I genuinely thank him for that.
As far as the best argument that I and many others used to make about bringing black markets public....I have to admit I'm not quite as sure about it any more. Who is the more efficient and ruthless capitalist? Tony Soprano or Wall Street?
I am typing this from Vegas where I am visiting some family for the holidays and the entire city is a monument to inequality, pleasure and misery. It is the most American city because it reflects America back to ourselves.
I think a slight improvement would be to remove the sports betting from phones/internet and decouple the insanely addictive dopamine hit of the phone, the anonymity and comfort of placing the bet in shameful isolation.
You want to place a bet? Great. Go hang out at the dog tracks, horse tracks, OTBs, sports books and casinos. Smell the cigarette smoke and look around and see if this is what you want.
Perhaps the striking finding by the SMU team, however, was the confirmation of the oldest data point in the history of gambling: The house always wins. Fewer than 5 percent of the gamblers that its survey tracked withdrew more money than they deposited from online sports betting apps. This is unsurprising, partly because the odds are always tilted in the sportsbook’s favor and partly because sports betting companies go to great lengths to freeze out gamblers with a track record of success. The Wall Street Journal reported in July on how some winning bettors will find themselves unable to place more than a few dollars or even as little as 50 cents in future bets, limiting the sportsbook’s potential losses—and the customer’s potential success.
While sportsbooks suppress the winners, they take extraordinary pains to keep everyone else chasing their losses. This can be particularly dangerous when addiction is a factor. The Athletic profiled an Arizona man who lost more than $110,000 during a 15-month betting spree, which saw him take out multiple loans and contemplate suicide to erase his debts before coming clean to his wife and seeking help. Like many addicts, he hoped that one big win could help erase dozens of smaller losses.
He hated himself. Several times, he tried quitting and would go days without placing a bet. Then his phone would ping. It was his VIP representative from FanDuel with a text message.
Hey Jordan … I just gave you a $200 bonus bet into your account.
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Are the coaches still wearing Dunks? If we're winning games, it's kinda difficult to criticize their footwear. The way this season has been going, this might be a good opportunity to help them transition into 2025.
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yes and I don’t think this is the answer but i’m willing to advocate that they change to something else if you think it will help.
how can we know what to recommend?
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
Do we think a gambler will physically attack a player someday in the US? I bet there's a good chance. (Heh)
There is a great chance.
https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses (https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses)
I completely foreswore sports betting after losing a big bet on K-State beating Arky St. after j rake told me it was a sure thing because Arky St had a COVID outbreak. I genuinely thank him for that.
As far as the best argument that I and many others used to make about bringing black markets public....I have to admit I'm not quite as sure about it any more. Who is the more efficient and ruthless capitalist? Tony Soprano or Wall Street?
I am typing this from Vegas where I am visiting some family for the holidays and the entire city is a monument to inequality, pleasure and misery. It is the most American city because it reflects America back to ourselves.
I think a slight improvement would be to remove the sports betting from phones/internet and decouple the insanely addictive dopamine hit of the phone, the anonymity and comfort of placing the bet in shameful isolation.
You want to place a bet? Great. Go hang out at the dog tracks, horse tracks, OTBs, sports books and casinos. Smell the cigarette smoke and look around and see if this is what you want.
Perhaps the striking finding by the SMU team, however, was the confirmation of the oldest data point in the history of gambling: The house always wins. Fewer than 5 percent of the gamblers that its survey tracked withdrew more money than they deposited from online sports betting apps. This is unsurprising, partly because the odds are always tilted in the sportsbook’s favor and partly because sports betting companies go to great lengths to freeze out gamblers with a track record of success. The Wall Street Journal reported in July on how some winning bettors will find themselves unable to place more than a few dollars or even as little as 50 cents in future bets, limiting the sportsbook’s potential losses—and the customer’s potential success.
While sportsbooks suppress the winners, they take extraordinary pains to keep everyone else chasing their losses. This can be particularly dangerous when addiction is a factor. The Athletic profiled an Arizona man who lost more than $110,000 during a 15-month betting spree, which saw him take out multiple loans and contemplate suicide to erase his debts before coming clean to his wife and seeking help. Like many addicts, he hoped that one big win could help erase dozens of smaller losses.
He hated himself. Several times, he tried quitting and would go days without placing a bet. Then his phone would ping. It was his VIP representative from FanDuel with a text message.
Hey Jordan … I just gave you a $200 bonus bet into your account.
Beautiful
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Don't invoke KSO over here.
People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.
Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State. Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play. Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.
Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.
You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.
That's not the way it works in this world, dude.
Did you mention openly testing job market?
That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo
Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
Do we think a gambler will physically attack a player someday in the US? I bet there's a good chance. (Heh)
There is a great chance.
https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses (https://newrepublic.com/article/189263/online-sports-betting-alito-losses)
I completely foreswore sports betting after losing a big bet on K-State beating Arky St. after j rake told me it was a sure thing because Arky St had a COVID outbreak. I genuinely thank him for that.
As far as the best argument that I and many others used to make about bringing black markets public....I have to admit I'm not quite as sure about it any more. Who is the more efficient and ruthless capitalist? Tony Soprano or Wall Street?
I am typing this from Vegas where I am visiting some family for the holidays and the entire city is a monument to inequality, pleasure and misery. It is the most American city because it reflects America back to ourselves.
I think a slight improvement would be to remove the sports betting from phones/internet and decouple the insanely addictive dopamine hit of the phone, the anonymity and comfort of placing the bet in shameful isolation.
You want to place a bet? Great. Go hang out at the dog tracks, horse tracks, OTBs, sports books and casinos. Smell the cigarette smoke and look around and see if this is what you want.
Perhaps the striking finding by the SMU team, however, was the confirmation of the oldest data point in the history of gambling: The house always wins. Fewer than 5 percent of the gamblers that its survey tracked withdrew more money than they deposited from online sports betting apps. This is unsurprising, partly because the odds are always tilted in the sportsbook’s favor and partly because sports betting companies go to great lengths to freeze out gamblers with a track record of success. The Wall Street Journal reported in July on how some winning bettors will find themselves unable to place more than a few dollars or even as little as 50 cents in future bets, limiting the sportsbook’s potential losses—and the customer’s potential success.
While sportsbooks suppress the winners, they take extraordinary pains to keep everyone else chasing their losses. This can be particularly dangerous when addiction is a factor. The Athletic profiled an Arizona man who lost more than $110,000 during a 15-month betting spree, which saw him take out multiple loans and contemplate suicide to erase his debts before coming clean to his wife and seeking help. Like many addicts, he hoped that one big win could help erase dozens of smaller losses.
He hated himself. Several times, he tried quitting and would go days without placing a bet. Then his phone would ping. It was his VIP representative from FanDuel with a text message.
Hey Jordan … I just gave you a $200 bonus bet into your account.
I concur, and it's sort of the same reason we keep voting for a certain someone to be prez (not wanting to pit this up tho). Vegas is not necessarily the most extreme version of America, it's more the most unfettered reality of it.
Also, JFC is that gross what the books do, though not surprised.
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this Tech crowd is late stage Asbury bad :'bye cruel world:
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this Tech crowd is late stage Asbury bad :'bye cruel world:
Classic midweek grinder!
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are we allowed to get excited about a 10-0 run or is everyone already too #BID?
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are we allowed to get excited about a 10-0 run or is everyone already too #BID?
enjoy it! our friend DNG is playing hard!
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Team doing a lot right, but still can't rebound.
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SIGH. We had our moment.
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what does tacos and tequila night consist of?
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what does tacos and tequila night consist of?
Presumably pulling the self-trigger in the bathroom after every run of 10+ we give up...
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Not dead yet!
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jesus this team
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It's unreal we're only down 2 in the last 2 minutes
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Can we give both teams a loss?
Jesus christ the last 5 minutes have been awful both ways
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We found a team that handles the ball worse than we do. Unreal. Let's hoot more 3s
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Totally litting we lost by giving up an offensive rebound.
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pretty incredible finish by both teams
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I still haven't made up my mind which is worse - the fact that this team full of upperclassmen is so soft/mentally weak/low b-ball IQ or the fact that this coaching staff can't figure out how to prevent them from being that way.
Our possessions the last 5 minutes of the game (when Tech was begging us to take the W):
05:14 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #33 hawkins, coleman
04:54 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #0 mcdaniel, dug
04:02 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #10 castillo, david
03:30 KState - Turnover by KState #33 hawkins, coleman
02:42 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #11 hausen, brendan
01:57 KState - Turnover by KState #10 castillo, david
01:15 KState - Missed layup by KState #10 castillo, david
00:49 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #33 hawkins, coleman
00:12 KState - Missed 3PT jumper by KState #10 castillo, david
00:08 KState - Offensive rebound by KState #33 hawkins, coleman
00:06 KState - Missed layup by KState #33 hawkins, coleman
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Most of the 3s in that stretch were pretty decent shots. The turnovers would be unfathomably bad for a high school team
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pretty incredible finish by both teams
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LoL. I had to screen shot that too. 5 min drought only down 2.
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pretty incredible finish by both teams
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LoL. I had to screen shot that too. 5 min drought only down 2.
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5 minute drought by BOTH TEAMS
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Most of the 3s in that stretch were pretty decent shots. The turnovers would be unfathomably bad for a high school team
Castillo shooting is never a good shot at this point.
And after the first two or three didn't go down, have some situational awareness and drive the ball.
We scored 3 effing points in the last 9 minutes of this basketball game.
Good shot, bad shot, whatever - that's a colossally poor performance by the coaches and the players. It's just so completely inept.
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Most of the 3s in that stretch were pretty decent shots. The turnovers would be unfathomably bad for a high school team
Castillo shooting is never a good shot at this point.
And after the first two or three didn't go down, have some situational awareness and drive the ball.
We scored 4 effing points in the last 9 minutes of this basketball game.
Good shot, bad shot, whatever - that's a colossally poor performance by the coaches and the players. It's just so completely inept.
Yeah obviously the results stink but man with some of those turnovers that are just like an inability to dribble or complete a pass I don't know what you expect anyone to do other than blow up the roster
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IMO this team's biggest problem on offense is you got a bunch of guys afraid to attack in any way so like any decent look at a three feels like a major win
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We’re going to need as many moral victories as we can get this year so keep em coming
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I think any single digit game the rest of the way is a moral victory. Cheer for less than 10! It can make it interesting if my experience on terrible teams has taught me anything
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If you bet the moneyline of K-State's opponent each game between now and the end of the season, there's no way you lose money after it's all said and done, right?
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If you bet the moneyline of K-State's opponent each game between now and the end of the season, there's no way you lose money after it's all said and done, right?
The juice might not be worth the squeeze my boy
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We covered the spread at least
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Where is gE opinion at these days on the question of whether or not Tang is a good basketball coach?
The 22-23 team did a lot of the things that well-coached teams do -- win games in OT, get points out of timeouts and BLOB plays, etc. Was that just a function of catching lightning in a bottle with Johnson + Nowell?
This team doesn't show any signs of good coaching. What gives?
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Where is gE opinion at these days on the question of whether or not Tang is a good basketball coach?
The 22-23 team did a lot of the things that well-coached teams do -- win games in OT, get points out of timeouts and BLOB plays, etc. Was that just a function of catching lightning in a bottle with Johnson + Nowell?
This team doesn't show any signs of good coaching. What gives?
My worry is they are bad recruiters. The roster is absolutely terrible
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Yes, this.
Also, has the rebounding has been consistently bad the entire time?
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I don't think they're bad recruiters - most of the players on this team had other good offers.
I think they completely whiffed on roster construction this year (and didn't exactly set the world on fire last year, either).
And, subsequently, because these puzzle pieces don't fit together, they don't have any answers on how to fix it.
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I don't think they're bad recruiters - most of the players on this team had other good offers.
I think they completely whiffed on roster construction this year (and didn't exactly set the world on fire last year, either).
And, subsequently, because these puzzle pieces don't fit together, they don't have any answers on how to fix it.
yeah fair to say they are good salespeople but I consider roster construction/player fit/player retention to be part of recruiting. Like I don't see any of these guys being a primary scorer on any high-major tournament team.
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anyone know where this team would show up on a playhard chart? i admittedly haven't watched much
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anyone know where this team would show up on a playhard chart? i admittedly haven't watched much
Bad, they are also very lazy. At least the "leaders" are.
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anyone know where this team would show up on a playhard chart? i admittedly haven't watched much
Bad, they are also very lazy. At least the "leaders" are.
This is a function of bad coaching, right?
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anyone know where this team would show up on a playhard chart? i admittedly haven't watched much
Bad, they are also very lazy. At least the "leaders" are.
This is a function of bad coaching, right?
For sure. But I thought the teams played hard the two prior years
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I think we got a bunch of straws to stir the drink but nobody who wants to take a sip
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Where is gE opinion at these days on the question of whether or not Tang is a good basketball coach?
The 22-23 team did a lot of the things that well-coached teams do -- win games in OT, get points out of timeouts and BLOB plays, etc. Was that just a function of catching lightning in a bottle with Johnson + Nowell?
This team doesn't show any signs of good coaching. What gives?
above average recruiters, below average coaching, terrible gamblers
i think good coaches can perform poorly and that’s what is happening with us the last two seasons
recruiting: he obviously has struggled with assembling a roster and identifying the best players for his team, but he has brought in a lot of talent that he thought he wanted so that’s actually a positive
coaching: last season he did what he could after failing at building a strong roster. this season he’s not made necessary changes after seeing his team struggle and he continues to jam a square peg into a round hole. this season has been a complete coaching failure and I hope he can see that but i’m not optimistic that he realizes where the train left the track
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Yes, this.
Also, has the rebounding has been consistently bad the entire time?
pretty sure its been an issue the entire time. I distinctly remember that ncaa tourney game against kentucky where that one dude had more o-rebs than like, our entire team had rebounds. (ok thats probably a bit of hyperbole but yes, so far all 3 of these tang teams have been not great at rebounding)
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Most of the 3s in that stretch were pretty decent shots. The turnovers would be unfathomably bad for a high school team
Castillo shooting is never a good shot at this point.
And after the first two or three didn't go down, have some situational awareness and drive the ball.
We scored 4 effing points in the last 9 minutes of this basketball game.
Good shot, bad shot, whatever - that's a colossally poor performance by the coaches and the players. It's just so completely inept.
I don't know what you expect anyone to do other than blow up the roster
That's just it, blowing up the roster might lead to the same issues. I think they can make this work with the guys graduating and just a couple of other transfers. I think a lot of the returning pieces are good, but need less usage. Could you imagine how frustrated by #myguy DNG if we had to rely on him to produce as a freshman or sophomore on this roster? I think we've seen enough from guys like Hausen, Mobi, Ugo, CJ, and Castillo to see that they are high major players, particularly with another year of development. I know that Castillo was putrid last night, and has been the worst 3 point shooter in D1 basketball since the Wichita State game, 0-17 since then, but he was 6-10 from three the two games he played before that, and despite the struggles, he isn't scared and doesn't back down, and I think that's really important for a young guard. I also want Dug back, but wouldn't be crushed if he didn't come back. He's mever going to be anything close to Markquis, but he can be a really good energy guy if he buys into the culture of a program. If he were to come back for a second year, I think that would be a good sign of maturity from him.
That being said, the big flaw here is all of these guys would need to return next year in a support role, that means, the coaches would have to go 5 for 5 in finding starters that fit well together.
I don't think they're bad recruiters - most of the players on this team had other good offers.
I think they completely whiffed on roster construction this year (and didn't exactly set the world on fire last year, either).
And, subsequently, because these puzzle pieces don't fit together, they don't have any answers on how to fix it.
yeah fair to say they are good salespeople but I consider roster construction/player fit/player retention to be part of recruiting. Like I don't see any of these guys being a primary scorer on any high-major tournament team.
I wonder about their evaluation. Are they considering how these transfers will fit into their culture and play together, or are they just getting guys with shiny offers? They struck oil in 2022, but the last two transfer classes have been a disaster. I don't care much about the offers of this class, but it's filled with role players, and no dawgs. The best player is a career role player.
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Most of the 3s in that stretch were pretty decent shots. The turnovers would be unfathomably bad for a high school team
Castillo shooting is never a good shot at this point.
And after the first two or three didn't go down, have some situational awareness and drive the ball.
We scored 4 effing points in the last 9 minutes of this basketball game.
Good shot, bad shot, whatever - that's a colossally poor performance by the coaches and the players. It's just so completely inept.
I don't know what you expect anyone to do other than blow up the roster
That's just it, blowing up the roster might lead to the same issues. I think they can make this work with the guys graduating and just a couple of other transfers. I think a lot of the returning pieces are good, but need less usage. Could you imagine how frustrated by #myguy DNG if we had to rely on him to produce as a freshman or sophomore on this roster? I think we've seen enough from guys like Hausen, Mobi, Ugo, CJ, and Castillo to see that they are high major players, particularly with another year of development. I know that Castillo was putrid last night, and has been the worst 3 point shooter in D1 basketball since the Wichita State game, 0-17 since then, but he was 6-10 from three the two games he played before that, and despite the struggles, he isn't scared and doesn't back down, and I think that's really important for a young guard. I also want Dug back, but wouldn't be crushed if he didn't come back. He's mever going to be anything close to Markquis, but he can be a really good energy guy if he buys into the culture of a program. If he were to come back for a second year, I think that would be a good sign of maturity from him.
That being said, the big flaw here is all of these guys would need to return next year in a support role, that means, the coaches would have to go 5 for 5 in finding starters that fit well together.
I don't think they're bad recruiters - most of the players on this team had other good offers.
I think they completely whiffed on roster construction this year (and didn't exactly set the world on fire last year, either).
And, subsequently, because these puzzle pieces don't fit together, they don't have any answers on how to fix it.
yeah fair to say they are good salespeople but I consider roster construction/player fit/player retention to be part of recruiting. Like I don't see any of these guys being a primary scorer on any high-major tournament team.
I wonder about their evaluation. Are they considering how these transfers will fit into their culture and play together, or are they just getting guys with shiny offers? They struck oil in 2022, but the last two transfer classes have been a disaster. I don't care much about the offers of this class, but it's filled with role players, and no dawgs. The best player is a career role player.
Yes exactly
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I've been under the impression that we've struck out on the scorers we were after in the portal. Battle from Arkansas was one that I thought we had and would've made this team much better, imo. Then we desperately overpay for the role players and try to talk ourselves into them. I think a lot of our guys would have playing time on any NCAA tourney roster, they would just be getting 10 minutes less than they get with us.
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I think Tang is a culture guy and maybe he thinks providing the right culture will make kids play the way he wants. I think that could be true if the culture was already established and not reset to zero every spring.
I think Tang is an excellent Good Coach but sorely needs a good Bad Coach.
Also, I am also not convinced completely of their eval. Season 1 they hit with Cam, Desi, DNg, and rolled the dice and won big on Keyonte. If the latter didn’t pay out, it would have been a different year.
This year is definitely just a bunch of 3rd or 4th option guys being asked to lead the charge and they have no biz doing so. Coleman should be spending his time losing his guy off ball when his defender is paying too much attention to the point guard we should have(Dai Dai), rather than acting like the point guard.
If we left CJ and Max alone and kept Cam and Dai Dai, we would be a pretty good team.
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I wonder about their evaluation. Are they considering how these transfers will fit into their culture and play together, or are they just getting guys with shiny offers? They struck oil in 2022, but the last two transfer classes have been a disaster. I don't care much about the offers of this class, but it's filled with role players, and no dawgs. The best player is a career role player.
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I think this is the biggest issue by far. We totally whiffed on the players we brought in this year because of bad evaluation or something else. It's discouraging because it will be tough to continue to get the kind of NIL money we did this last year if it continues. I just don't know what the incentive is to some of these guys who get paid so handsomely? If you're not pro material I could see it being easy to quit on a team that doesn't have a chance of appearing in a tournament of some sort? :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
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Tang spent several of our early post game conf saying Coleman needed to come to him. He later said that this was a mistake and that Tang was going to move towards Coleman.
This is something he stretched out across several weeks. It was a thought he held and considered for a long time through weeks of evaluation, after having seen Coleman in practice for at least a month.
Every game, for a while now, I wonder what the eff was he even talking about?
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Is it possible to build a good program by developing high school guys in the portal era? David Castillo, Buddy Rich and Taj Manning are the only guys on the roster who were brought in out of high school, correct?
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I feel like a lot of this is my fault. :cry:
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Where is gE opinion at these days on the question of whether or not Tang is a good basketball coach?
The 22-23 team did a lot of the things that well-coached teams do -- win games in OT, get points out of timeouts and BLOB plays, etc. Was that just a function of catching lightning in a bottle with Johnson + Nowell?
This team doesn't show any signs of good coaching. What gives?
My worry is they are bad recruiters. The roster is absolutely terrible
I think the staff were good to excellent recruiters under the old system. I truly believe they were excellent culture and program building guys under the old system. I think they’ve had a hard time adjusting to the new world of college athletics and swung and missed pretty hard this past offseason.
I think they’ve can have great success. They already have had success. Hope they figure it out.
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I think they just massively whiffed on Dug and the bigs and that they had too much faith in their own abilities to get them going/motivate/discipline and they miscalculated, trusted the wrong people in the vetting process.
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Is it possible to build a good program by developing high school guys in the portal era? David Castillo, Buddy Rich and Taj Manning are the only guys on the roster who were brought in out of high school, correct?
Yes, those are the high school recruits that he has left. I think not only is it possible to build a good program through high school recruiting, but it's the best way to go, particularly for a program like us. I think coaches balk at like this for three reasons.
1. They're afraid to take a bunch of developmental players in a conference like the Big 12, and get their asses kicked by veteran teams every night.
2. Recruiting a high school kid only to have them picked from you at the end of their freshman or sophomore year, is a real bummer. To be fair, this happened to us last year, losing Dai Dai and RJ is really hurting this team.
3. Why pay a bunch of 18 year olds when you can pay 21 and 22 year olds?
Tang should have felt like he had enough rope to try to rebuild this team with young, developing players, but for some reason he went with the attempted quick fix and now his built margin of error is gone. He has to get '25-'26 right.
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
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I don't know what to think. His team sucks ass though in year 3 and that has been disappointing.
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant
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Got his ass
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Lot of Tang apologists happening. Every single aspect of this is on him. And BTW without Webers point guard the first year would look identical to this year. hth
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I think they just massively whiffed on Dug and the bigs and that they had too much faith in their own abilities to get them going/motivate/discipline and they miscalculated, trusted the wrong people in the vetting process.
There is a lot of truth to this.
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Lot of Tang apologists happening. Every single aspect of this is on him. And BTW without Webers point guard the first year would look identical to this year. hth
You think we could still get oscar back? I could see him being receptive to the idea
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No way we can get oscar back. I haven’t kept up with the guy, but I bet he got scooped up by another top 25 team before that hot piece of basketball coaching ass even hit the street. I bet he was beating offers away with a stick. There is zero chance he is still available.
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Whoa, a DILLIGAF post. What year is it?
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.
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Whoa, a DILLIGAF post. What year is it?
Been a day eh. Forget this Oscar talk in attempt to distract from the point mkay. The point stands, you know it.
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So what's the scoop, are we bad forever or not
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.
And blue bloods will go back under the table.
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which could play to Tang's recruiting style, allegedly
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He got like 5M to construct a roster this year and might win 10 total games. I don't think financial resources is the problem.
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.
And blue bloods will go back under the table.
how would this work?
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.
And blue bloods will go back under the table.
how would this work?
IDK,
How were guys getting paid before NIL?
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He got like 5M to construct a roster this year and might win 10 total games. I don't think financial resources is the problem.
10 might be on the generous side
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I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play
You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.
I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this? If not, needs to happen.
NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.
And blue bloods will go back under the table.
how would this work?
IDK,
How were guys getting paid before NIL?
Adidas was doing the bags of cash I believe.
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
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And blue bloods will go back under the table.
how would this work?
A guy I worked with told he his dad was roommates with Wilt Chamberlain back in the day. One day, an new Oldsmobile convertible showed up in front of their dorm, and a guy handed Wilt the keys. This may be one avenue to consider - AJ sure seems to like that lavender Corvette.
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
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While losing tomorrow certainly isn't worthy of any lengthy discussion.
This road losing streak needs to end soon, because its on the door step of being record breaking
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While losing tomorrow certainly isn't worthy of any lengthy discussion.
This road losing streak needs to end soon, because its on the door step of being record breaking
There are a couple of gettable ones coming up and yeah, it's real problematic if they don't get one.
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lol
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
I am driving the wagon
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If cats basketball wins next Saturday, this season will officially be a huge success.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
Absolutely. Should have been the case last season.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
There is a decent core available to return.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
There is a decent core available to return.
I would like to keep Dug and Hausen but I don't think anyone else really moves the needle. I do like what Mobi is doing for us but it shouldn't be hard to keep him.
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I want more max jones.
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I guess if the D2 eligibility thing clears the legal system you can probably get more
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
There is a decent core available to return.
I would like to keep Dug and Hausen but I don't think anyone else really moves the needle. I do like what Mobi is doing for us but it shouldn't be hard to keep him.
They need to keep most if not all these guys. If they can develop Mobi and Ugo like they did David, that would be great. They have a strong core but will need a couple of dudes to replace the production of David and Coleman. It's a lot easier to hit on the portal if you need to find a couple of starters instead of 4 starters and 4 key reserves.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
There is a decent core available to return.
I would like to keep Dug and Hausen but I don't think anyone else really moves the needle. I do like what Mobi is doing for us but it shouldn't be hard to keep him.
They need to keep most if not all these guys. If they can develop Mobi and Ugo like they did David, that would be great. They have a strong core but will need a couple of dudes to replace the production of David and Coleman. It's a lot easier to hit on the portal if you need to find a couple of starters instead of 4 starters and 4 key reserves.
If we try to replace DNG with Ugo or Mobi in the starting lineup we will be worse than this year. We have a bunch of bench players left after Coleman, DNG, and Max Jones leave. Hausen should be a 6th man type that comes in for 15-20 minutes but we probably have to promise him starter minutes to hang around. We can keep everyone with eligibility not named Buddy but it's hard to see them hitting on 3 starter level guys in the portal if they only give themselves 4 slots.
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Can't imagine Manning staying unless he just loves K-State. Ideally find quality at shooting guard, small forward and power forward or center and some overall seasoned depth like Max of Slles. Hopefully, with Dug and Tang on the same page, it doesn't take 2-plus months of the season for a team to find itself.
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The focus this off-season needs to be keeping as much of this roster together as we can.
A lot of it is graduating unfortunately
There is a decent core available to return.
I would like to keep Dug and Hausen but I don't think anyone else really moves the needle. I do like what Mobi is doing for us but it shouldn't be hard to keep him.
They need to keep most if not all these guys. If they can develop Mobi and Ugo like they did David, that would be great. They have a strong core but will need a couple of dudes to replace the production of David and Coleman. It's a lot easier to hit on the portal if you need to find a couple of starters instead of 4 starters and 4 key reserves.
If we try to replace DNG with Ugo or Mobi in the starting lineup we will be worse than this year.
Uh, I'm not advocating for that, at all. I said we need to replace a couple of starters. Ugo needs to progress to be a reliable rotational player.
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Can't imagine Manning staying unless he just loves K-State. Ideally find quality at shooting guard, small forward and power forward or center and some overall seasoned depth like Max of Slles. Hopefully, with Dug and Tang on the same page, it doesn't take 2-plus months of the season for a team to find itself.
Taj and his family love K-State and this staff and the feeling is mutual. This is the only high major program he's going to be a scholarship athlete at and the coaches love his attitude and work ethic. He's not going anywhere.
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Can't imagine Manning staying unless he just loves K-State. Ideally find quality at shooting guard, small forward and power forward or center and some overall seasoned depth like Max of Slles. Hopefully, with Dug and Tang on the same page, it doesn't take 2-plus months of the season for a team to find itself.
Taj and his family love K-State and this staff and the feeling is mutual. This is the only high major program he's going to be a scholarship athlete at and the coaches love his attitude and work ethic. He's not going anywhere.
Gotta have that on your bench and at practice
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Tang is making me a believer again; at least in his ability to get a team to play great basketball.
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
How are we feeling this morning Mr. President of the Iowa Chapter of EMAW supporters?
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
How are we feeling this morning Mr. President of the Iowa Chapter of EMAW supporters?
As someone who didn't need a road win against the #3 team in the country to have his faith restored, I'm feeling fantastic, thank you for asking!
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
How are we feeling this morning Mr. President of the Iowa Chapter of EMAW supporters?
As someone who didn't need a road win against the #3 team in the country to have his faith restored, I'm feeling fantastic, thank you for asking!
Beyond happy for you, I was scarred from seeing the LSU game in person...
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If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.
lol, is that all it takes? A road win against the #3 team in the country?
How are we feeling this morning Mr. President of the Iowa Chapter of EMAW supporters?
As someone who didn't need a road win against the #3 team in the country to have his faith restored, I'm feeling fantastic, thank you for asking!
Beyond happy for you, I was scarred from seeing the LSU game in person...
The 3rd game of a basketball season is not a place to lose the faith.
But our 6 game slide in January definitely had me totally checked out so :dunno:
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My bar was high because of all of the Dollars we spent and Dug transferring in. Glad the ship has been righted. It was looking really grim in January.
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are you talking about the LSU that is 1-12 in conference play and 12-12 overall?
yes, I think that you are and you should feel validated about your concerns, Greg.
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Credit: all glory to god (and Scott Drew) for this miraculous turnaround.
Those things plus overhauling the offense, getting Dug/Tang on the same page and having our guards double on a lot of post-ups defensively (our steal rate has gone through the roof in the last six games - double the number of steals we had the preceding 6 games and averaging 10 per game during this stretch).
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hausen reminds me of that kid who followed huggs to KSU from WVU because he was dating his daughter. except he's actually kinda good and not just a mascot.
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hausen reminds me of that kid who followed huggs to KSU from WVU because he was dating his daughter. except he's actually kinda good and not just a mascot.
“Don’t worry.”
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Lazy comparison because he's white imo. We've never had a player like Hausen since the rebirth.
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hausen reminds me of that kid who followed huggs to KSU from WVU because he was dating his daughter. except he's actually kinda good and not just a mascot.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZP0GZZXwAAH9xY.jpg:large)
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hausen reminds me of that kid who followed huggs to KSU from WVU because he was dating his daughter. except he's actually kinda good and not just a mascot.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZP0GZZXwAAH9xY.jpg:large)
"Don't worry"
Also what was the score that game?
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hausen reminds me of that kid who followed huggs to KSU from WVU because he was dating his daughter. except he's actually kinda good and not just a mascot.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZP0GZZXwAAH9xY.jpg:large)
Way overused but, what a time to be alive
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We more than a touchdown underdog tonight
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Rumblings of Dug being not available
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Rumblings of Dug being not available
He seemed to get a little hurt right at the end last game. I hope he just has something small and didn't go shopping at Dillards or on Spring Break with Franklin(or whatevs that gecko's name is).
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Rumblings of Dug being not available
wut? :ohno: :runaway: (ftp://:ohno: :runaway:)
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That's not good.
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Missing the tournament in back to back years is not how I envisioned this playing out after an E8 run in year 1.
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We’ll always have that Iowa State road win
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I mean honestly, if someone told me at the beginning of the season "ok we're going to suck turds BUT! You get to go on a 6 game winning streak and you get to choose the 6 game window" I'm not sure I would have picked a different window
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I have a spare ticket to todays game for the townies
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I have a spare ticket to todays game for the townies
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Spare ticket claimed! Go Cats
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Jerome has got to go*
*But we can’t afford it
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Can't afford it for like a minimum of 2 more years
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Probably not.
Need substantial staff reorg and replacement
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I hope the reorg works and we get to keep tang. I like the vibe.
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Like the dude, but NCAA tourney in 2026 or it's time to move on.
Complete roster overhauls ever year is tough biz...
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there is no signs of improvement.
gene has invested way too much bread into this staff to be this bad. hope we’re better next year, I really like this group of coaches and want them to succeed. thankful to have brad KORN waiting in the wings in case they don’t.
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I don't ascribe to 2026 being NCAA or bust, unless the season is a complete disaster or there's some pr issue.
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I don't ascribe to 2026 being NCAA or bust, unless the season is a complete disaster or there's some pr issue.
He can miss the tourney 2 more years in a row and probably still get the 2028 season with his buyout numbers.
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Yes-his buyout probably protects him for at least 2 more seasons.
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NC State just fired their coach after going to the F4 last year, and his buyout was only 6.5M I think. Jerome's agent made the deal of the century last year.
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In willing to give him 2 years.
I’d love some new staff blood
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Under normal circumstances (no huge buyouts, injuries, presidents kicking players off campus), missing the tourney 3 years in a row should get you fired.
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Yea oscar got shitcanned for 3 in a row.
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Yea oscar got shitcanned for 3 in a row.
And finishing dead last, second to dead last, second to dead last those 3 years.
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oscar had 5 seasons worse than this one
(6 worse conference records, but one of those teams still made the tournament)
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yeah we’re definitely not making any significant changes for at least two more years, nor should we.
fans wanted a cool coach who wins occasionally and that’s exactly what we have.
there were signs of life this season. we regressed after the 6treak but we will always have that mid-January to remember.
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Yea oscar got shitcanned for 3 in a row.
oscar got shitcanned for a lot of things
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Yea oscar got shitcanned for 3 in a row.
oscar got shitcanned for a lot of things
He wouldn't have been fired if he made the tournament in '21
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we will never know. but what we do know is that a large portion of our fans hated him.
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I like Tang and really want him to succeed at ole KSU. I feel like last year was a scratch because of the Tomlin situation so this was really his only "Bad" year. I'm looking forward to seeing how he rebounds next year.
And at the end of the day it's just basketball, as long as football is still performing well squeaky hoops is just a nice distraction in the dead of winter.
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And at the end of the day it's just basketball, as long as football is still performing well squeaky hoops is just a nice distraction in the dead of winter.
Booooo.
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Gene is going to be asking for more money from everybody.
He wants to raise the mandatory Ahearn donations for basketball.
K-State and everybody else for that matter needs to have it's second major sport contributing to the bottom line in a big way.
No other sports make money, they're all losers.
85% of KSA's revenues come from 3 things: Conference distribution, Ahearn donations, Football/Basketball Ticket Revenue
So - can't afford to get rid of Jerome, and can't afford to have MBB sucking hind revenue teat.
Not a great position to be in right now.
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Yes, not a great position at all.
That senior night was a rough ridin' dumpster fire of a game. Firing balls into the stands, no real urgency at all. Forget making shots, which obviously didn’t happen. We just suck.
I was fairly ecstatic when we hired tang. I felt like his personality could possibly breathe life into a fan base obviously coming off a couple really hard years, but was ready for a winner again. And that’s exactly what happened.
What I hate now that he’s losing is his pressers. He literally says the same things every time. He doesn’t seem all that bothered by losing. The signs are there. All hat no cattle. We’ve seen this. I really don’t want him to veer into Ron prince territory.
Times are a bit dire. Next year will be huge. I’d seriously love to see him turn it around.
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What I hate now that he’s losing is his pressers. He literally says the same things every time. He doesn’t seem all that bothered by losing. The signs are there. All hat no cattle. We’ve seen this. I really don’t want him to veer into Ron prince territory.
I can really only think of one thing about Tang that reminds me of Ron Prince
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With the Orange Potemkin bringing hard times to the ag sector, NIL might be hard to come by.
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What I hate now that he’s losing is his pressers. He literally says the same things every time. He doesn’t seem all that bothered by losing. The signs are there. All hat no cattle. We’ve seen this. I really don’t want him to veer into Ron prince territory.
I can really only think of one thing about Tang that reminds me of Ron Prince
Highly religious?
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elevator fit check selfies
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It's a real brain buster
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What I hate now that he’s losing is his pressers. He literally says the same things every time. He doesn’t seem all that bothered by losing. The signs are there. All hat no cattle. We’ve seen this. I really don’t want him to veer into Ron prince territory.
I can really only think of one thing about Tang that reminds me of Ron Prince
Highly religious?
elevator fit check selfies
Both of these made me howl
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Even great coaches are wrestling with the NIL and transfer portal dynamics. Tang has demonstrated some degree of mastery of this dynamic, now he has to figure out how to make the players he recruits play as a team. He did a good job his first year, and has struggled since. It comes down to how much faith we have in Tang to make his recruiting victories translate into wins on the court.
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Welp… 16-17 (9-11) in conference. Disappointing but i truly have no idea where we go from here
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Apathy is where we are headed
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Hobby sport
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Welp… 16-17 (9-11) in conference. Disappointing but i truly have no idea where we go from here
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Up!
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Hobby sport
BASEBALL SCHOOL
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1-0 in our last 1 halves
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It’s okay guys. Cus (insert coach here) did it. It’s okay if Jerome Tang misses the tourney 2-3 years in a row.
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What I hate now that he’s losing is his pressers. He literally says the same things every time. He doesn’t seem all that bothered by losing. The signs are there. All hat no cattle. We’ve seen this. I really don’t want him to veer into Ron prince territory.
I can really only think of one thing about Tang that reminds me of Ron Prince
you're not supposed to say the quiet part outloud
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I'm happy to give Tang at least 2 years, if he can't make some noise in the next 2 years, move on when the buyout is lower.
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The challenge is going to be keeping NIL high for 2 years so that he can take legitimate swings.
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The challenge is going to be keeping NIL high for 2 years so that he can take legitimate swings.
Revenue sharing takes care of this
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The challenge is going to be keeping NIL high for 2 years so that he can take legitimate swings.
Revenue sharing takes care of this
won't that just set the floor for high major programs? Booster money will still be needed imo
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The challenge is going to be keeping NIL high for 2 years so that he can take legitimate swings.
Revenue sharing takes care of this
won't that just set the floor for high major programs? Booster money will still be needed imo
going to go back under the table for the booster money IMO. Look for Kansas to have a big rebound
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I don't agree but maybe I'm Naive
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The challenge is going to be keeping NIL high for 2 years so that he can take legitimate swings.
Revenue sharing takes care of this
When does this kick in?
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This upcoming season
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Next FY I believe, which starts 7/1
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This is going to be interesting
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In terms of revenue sharing, the way it is set up now, for an athlete to receive NIL money it will have to be true NIL. It can't just be getting paid to play at a school. Any NIL deal that is over $600 will have to be reported and it will be evaluated by Deloitte to see if it is at a true market level for the athlete.
I'm sure this will get challenged in court with a high likelihood of the NCAA losing.
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So like, I could have a player in a commercial for my business and pay them $2 million?
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So like, I could have a player in a commercial for my business and pay them $2 million?
Sounds like JW is saying that Deloitte would have to agree that $2m is reasonable market value for that work.
This is probably what will be easy to challenge in court. Any person should be able to charge whatever they can get another person to pay to be in their commercial, whether that be $2 or $2million dollars, and Deloitte can kiss their ass.
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Unless the distinction is relevant for taxes, in which case you can bet the IRS will care whether it’s market.
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Sports Illustrated is talking about Jerome Tang moving on to Iowa.
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Interesting. SI is just an AI sports aggregator now. I wonder where they are getting that from? Seems crazy that he would. His buyout is a bagillion dollars. I wouldn’t be going anywhere.
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How down bad is Iowa lmao
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How down bad is Iowa lmao
have you ever been to the maps thread? they are up to their eyeballs in hogs.
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Floods and mold and hogs.
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only tweets I saw about it were ksu fans HUR HUR HURRING about Iowa.
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Sports Illustrated is talking about Jerome Tang moving on to Iowa.
lol, there is literally nothing to that. It's going to be McCollum unless he gets a better offer.