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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #125 on: December 18, 2024, 07:21:00 PM »
fair enough. I think it would have been received the same if he addressed it during his weekly press availability, but your point is a fair one.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2024, 08:01:00 PM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.

honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2024, 01:15:41 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Did you mention openly testing job market?

That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2024, 01:43:51 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Did you mention openly testing job market?

That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo

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Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2024, 02:16:39 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Did you mention openly testing job market?

That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo

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Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2024, 03:38:51 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Did you mention openly testing job market?

That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo

Openly testing the job market? Is dude not allowed to take job interviews? Did we suddenly become Duke?

Word is the dude who tweeted the real
Mean stuff wasn’t even a cat fan, but a disgruntled gambler

The guy's insta account is locked. People ran with that assumption because the guy isn't wearing a K-State shirt in his pfp, and he doesn't have some punny K-State name. To rusty's point, why does that matter? The fascination with making sure the dude was a K-State fan is a complete cope. Why are we aren't acting like people with purple on their PFPs aren't saying foul crap to coaches and athletes?

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2024, 05:08:42 PM »
I am not online to the extent that I know what other fan groups do, but it is nothing short of embarrassing what our fans tweet or post at our players and staff.  KSU seems to have a huge portion of fans who are all but drowning in little man syndrome, lack of self-confidence, and lack of social grace.  It's gross. 

It's one thing to gE about crap here, or with others in the know on other platforms, but it's a complete other thing to say anything like that to players or coaches. 

Gross. 

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2024, 08:49:03 AM »
I am not online to the extent that I know what other fan groups do, but it is nothing short of embarrassing what our fans tweet or post at our players and staff.  KSU seems to have a huge portion of fans who are all but drowning in little man syndrome, lack of self-confidence, and lack of social grace.  It's gross. 

It's one thing to gE about crap here, or with others in the know on other platforms, but it's a complete other thing to say anything like that to players or coaches. 

Gross.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2024, 03:51:15 PM »
i don’t know what tang referenced about mean people on twitter but it’s hard to understand why someone would wade into sewage and complain about the smell


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #134 on: December 21, 2024, 08:06:40 PM »

Can he really not coach? I mean, we weren’t all that talented last year, but managed to put together a competitive season. Is this just a bad roster, or does another coach get them playing as a decent team?
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #135 on: December 21, 2024, 08:20:21 PM »
I suspect there's a lot of conversations about Tang.

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It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #136 on: December 21, 2024, 08:54:27 PM »
as bad as last year was, I think this is worse.  at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball.  the coaches have to get their crap together.


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2024, 09:19:06 PM »
as bad as last year was, I think this is worse.  at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball.  the coaches have to get their crap together.

I don’t think last year was particularly bad at all. That squad could have improved into a decent team w an addition or two.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2024, 09:23:28 PM »
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2024, 09:37:27 PM »
Say less, Jerome. Say less.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2024, 10:00:03 PM »
as bad as last year was, I think this is worse.  at least this roster is more complete than last year’s. we’re at one and a half seasons of really bad basketball.  the coaches have to get their crap together.

I kinda think this roster is worse. It's definitely worse if Tomlin could have played last year.

I didn't see Dug at Michigan but all the other guys are role players at best at this level. And it seems like Tang might be trying to get Castillo more experience for the future

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #141 on: December 22, 2024, 02:56:45 AM »
yeah maybe.  not having a point guard last season and playing TP out of position was a major factor.  at least we have two point guards this year.  at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #142 on: December 22, 2024, 06:51:48 AM »
at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.

That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #143 on: December 22, 2024, 07:51:21 AM »
at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.

That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out.  we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.

the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #144 on: December 22, 2024, 07:53:20 AM »


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #145 on: December 22, 2024, 08:16:10 AM »
at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.

That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out.  we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.

the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling
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« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2024, 08:30:43 AM »
at risk of sounding like a tuck, I think an issue with this team is figuring out how to run offense with our tallest player facing the basket.

That's pretty much how basketball is played these days. Back to the basket posts are a relic. And regardless of how many true point guards we have, IMO the real problem is no one on the team can generate offense on their own. I think Dug was the only hope for that this season (which I think Willie already pointed out on this thread) and it's not looking promising on that front.
yeah for sure but unfortunately he’s not able to do that from 23+ feet out.  we’re not able to get into offense until late in the clock and we end up with really low percentage shots.

the bottom line is that i think we’re settling on way too many three point shots and they aren’t falling

Don't get me wrong - I don't think Hawkins is good enough for the offense to flow through him, especially 5 feet beyond the 3 point line. I'm just saying not many people have back to the basket posts these days. The fact that we're using Hawkins the way we are is because of recruiting failures - there isn't anyone on the roster now who has shown they're a better primary option.

I don't see better sets or fewer threes making a difference this year. The staff simply mumped up recruiting and retaining talent.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2024, 09:16:49 AM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Did you mention openly testing job market?

That being said anyone who tweets at any player is a weirdo

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #148 on: January 14, 2025, 10:34:29 AM »
Are the coaches still wearing Dunks? If we're winning games, it's kinda difficult to criticize their footwear. The way this season has been going, this might be a good opportunity to help them transition into 2025.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #149 on: January 14, 2025, 12:10:05 PM »
yes and I don’t think this is the answer but i’m willing to advocate that they change to something else if you think it will help.

how can we know what to recommend?


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