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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2024, 06:49:24 PM »
I hope so. Losing Dug would be a major bummer.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2024, 11:41:28 AM »
The artist formerly known as Limestone got had by Fitz and the gang

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #102 on: December 17, 2024, 09:05:43 AM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2024, 09:08:58 AM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.

honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2024, 09:14:33 AM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.

honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash

could be some. Some are just gen z idiots with Tang in their username somewhere that have zero self-awareness or know anything about how major sports work. Guessing some are also giving money now so they think they can be extra douchey. 
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2024, 10:46:13 AM »
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2024, 10:50:14 AM »
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2024, 01:01:06 PM »
also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #108 on: December 17, 2024, 01:58:06 PM »
Based on our experience with Frank, oscar and Tang, I've come to a thought. But I can easily be talked out of it.

I think roster and coach chemistry is almost impossible to predict, and the range is wide. We saw Frank go from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. We saw oscar go from Big 12 Champions to irrelevant to Elite 8 to Big 12 Champions to irrelevant. And Tang has gone from Elite 8 media darlings to irrelevant. I don't think this is unique to K-State, I think it is just college basketball outside of 5 or so programs. In fact, the fact that we've had 3 coaches in a row be able to make Elite 8 is pretty rough ridin' wild.

So, I don't know what expectations of a college basketball coach should be. If we make the Elite 8 then go two years without making the tournament, should that be the end of any coach? Should there be one more year where it is tournament or bust? What're the expectations if we brought in a new coach for next season?

Also, how different would vibes be about basketball if K-State football had just won the Big 12? It'd probably be like a parent who is okay with their second child being a big goofball because their oldest is getting straight A's and has interest from Ivy League schools.

In regards to your elite 8 comments I think evaluating teams based on their NCAA tourney results is fools gold. Conference record/standings is a much better indicator of how good a team was that year and how we should evaluate how successful a season was IMO. Frank was clearly our GOAT of the last 3.

Frank (12 teams first 3 years, 10 the last 2) - 3, T-4, T-2, T-3, 5
oscar (10 teams) - T-1, 5, T-6, 8, 6, 4, T-1, 10, 10
Tang (10 teams then 14) - 3, T-9, TBD

Also yes, if we had just won the Big12 in FB or at least made the conference championship game Katz fans would be a lot more willing to overlook a slow start by the tang gang.

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Frank 11, NIT, 2, 5, 8
oscar 4, 9, none, none, 11, 9, 4, none, none, none
Jerome 3, NIT, …
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #109 on: December 17, 2024, 03:45:16 PM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.

honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash

That's a factor with some. With others it's the overt religion, which is hilarious to me because there are posters who make fun of him wearing his religion on his sleeve, but are also the first ones who parrot christofascist talking points on non sports topics.

But no, I don't think it's just race or just religion or even mostly those things. Some of the more vocal posters on that board are just miserable fucks. They are making football threads just as unreadable as the basketball threads. Can't have a thread about anything from recruiting and the transfer portal, to uniforms without someone whining about a coordinator or position coach. Inevitably someone will post, why would player x want to come here with Steve Stannard as their position coach. "Of course Lepak is going to OU, he hates Conor Riley." "Why would that receiver want to come here with a "prema donna" quarterback with a lavendar corvette?" Like this board and GPC, there are a few posters that set the mood there. The problem there is the mood setters are rough ridin' miserable people and are very whiny and aggressive with people who don't think like they do. Shouting down "sunshine pumpers" has always been a segment of k-state message board culture.

also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.

yeah

also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2024, 08:40:22 AM »
what are you paying for?  i've never been over there so honestly don't know.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2024, 08:48:31 AM »
can't even read any bball threads on kso right now. They seem to dislike Tang more than gE ever hated Weber. It's odd.

honestly it might be racism. white midwesterners will always get a longer leash

That's a factor with some. With others it's the overt religion, which is hilarious to me because there are posters who make fun of him wearing his religion on his sleeve, but are also the first ones who parrot christofascist talking points on non sports topics.

But no, I don't think it's just race or just religion or even mostly those things. Some of the more vocal posters on that board are just miserable fucks. They are making football threads just as unreadable as the basketball threads. Can't have a thread about anything from recruiting and the transfer portal, to uniforms without someone whining about a coordinator or position coach. Inevitably someone will post, why would player x want to come here with Steve Stannard as their position coach. "Of course Lepak is going to OU, he hates Conor Riley." "Why would that receiver want to come here with a "prema donna" quarterback with a lavendar corvette?" Like this board and GPC, there are a few posters that set the mood there. The problem there is the mood setters are rough ridin' miserable people and are very whiny and aggressive with people who don't think like they do. Shouting down "sunshine pumpers" has always been a segment of k-state message board culture.

also, I probably haven't visited kso in 2 or 3 years, but it seems like an absolute toxic cesspool when it comes to most topics.

yeah

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2024, 08:50:51 AM »
It just kinda a feels like in Jerome Tang's world . . . the fans are at fault for a lot of stuff.

You just got dominated by two guys from Northwest Missouri State and you're whining about what likely amounts to somewhere between 2 and 3 fans?


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2024, 10:31:38 AM »
Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #114 on: December 18, 2024, 10:32:08 AM »
It just kinda a feels like in Jerome Tang's world . . . the fans are at fault for a lot of stuff.

You just got dominated by two guys from Northwest Missouri State and you're whining about what likely amounts to somewhere between 2 and 3 fans?



has he said anything this year? Or is it previous years when he wanted Bram full?
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #115 on: December 18, 2024, 10:40:15 AM »
Fans are expecting to win, as they were told.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #116 on: December 18, 2024, 10:49:53 AM »
Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #117 on: December 18, 2024, 11:00:14 AM »
Glad I'm still not caring for about 2 more weeks. But sounds like I probably shouldn't start anyways.
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #118 on: December 18, 2024, 11:02:04 AM »
Fans are expecting to win, as they were told.

Glad I'm still not caring for about 2 more weeks. But sounds like I probably shouldn't start anyways.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #119 on: December 18, 2024, 12:18:35 PM »
Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?

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It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2024, 12:50:46 PM »
Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?
Where was that said or even implied?

Are we really going to have to suffer through you playing the role of New Wacky - mansplaing and responding in K-State Family over contributor fashion to every perceived slight all year??






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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2024, 01:55:31 PM »
Those things are mutually exclusive, right? I didn't listen to his post game comments. Did he shirk responsibility for the loss and lay the loss at the feet of negative fans?
Timing as they say - is everything


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So they can only talk about people being assholes if they're winning? You certainly can see the flaw in that logic, right?
Where was that said or even implied?

Are we really going to have to suffer through you playing the role of New Wacky - mansplaing and responding in K-State Family over contributor fashion to every perceived slight all year??






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If you don't want to get misinterpreted maybe you can post like a normal human being. I don't know how else anyone could interpret your now seemingly ironic timing is everything reply.

If you want to actually get back to the topic, then I'm cool. I have no desire to play kso over here, if we're going to do that you can have it.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #122 on: December 18, 2024, 02:48:16 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.




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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #123 on: December 18, 2024, 03:19:20 PM »
Don't invoke KSO over here.

People are talking about things exactly as the occurred during the course of the season.

Suggestion for Jerome Tang and company: Don't come off of 10 days of practice looking like hot garbage and getting worked by Drake and 2 transfers from Northwest Missouri State.  Then get back into the game, then produce a hot garbage Weberesque out of a time out last shot play.  Then have a guy who was bitching about conditioning on a podcast be completely gassed at crunch and clanking critical FT's.

Lose the game . . . take responsibility for it, which is fine. Then start having your player (and you) start throwing in the completely unnecessary references to mean Tweets . . . which in turn undermines or waters down you taking responsibility for not having your team ready to play.

You cannot demand butts in seats, get not one but two pay raises in 2 years, be out there on the circuit openly brow beating the grass roots (and BMD's) for NIL money, be given that NIL money to go get dudes . . . produce this product, and then expect people to just sit back and accept what they're seeing.

That's not the way it works in this world, dude.

Okay, so you did mean that they shouldn't complain about mean tweets when they're losing. One isn't going to come without the other and even if it did I don't think the coaches and players would care nearly enough if they were winning. Being bothered by bad person tweets is going to come with losing, bottom line.

Tang has demanded a winning culture here from the donors, fans, and the team and the team has no doubt not come close to holding up their part. I do think it's disingenuous for those who act like bad fan behavior is only happening and is excused because Tang has demands and has been public with grand goals. The last guy didn't do any of that and he was crap on as well.

For me the bottom line is simple. None of us; the players, the coaches, and a vocal portion of the fan base are close to performing to anyone's expectation and it has to get better. This is a lost season and if the coaches don't find some continuity with this roster and bring in the right pieces to replace the guys graduating next season will be it.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #124 on: December 18, 2024, 04:01:59 PM »
Fair enough.

My final .02


Bad fan behavior is not be condoned by the vast majority of the K-State fanbase. The topic is utterly subjective in every way, particularly in today's world, and likely centers around a very small minority.

The fans in the seats demonstrated no such behavior that I observed.

The post game interview room is not the place to bring up the topic of social media meanies minutes after you accepted full responsibility for putting a team out on the floor that spent a good chunk of the game clearly not ready to play.

Any observer will at minimum draw a dotted line back to excuse making. Thus rightly conclude that this is yet another implication by this coach that the K-State fanbase as a collective is something that has to overcome by his basketball program. That's simply not true on any conceivable level.  It's Weberesque in every way.  The major sport coaches at K-State have one of the cushiest jobs in Power 4 athletics for coaches who hold similar positions. A softballish media contingent, a fanbase that is still dominated by "just happy to be here" folks, and very small minority of social media meanies.