It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang

[Cire]

I think they just massively whiffed on Dug and the bigs and that they had too much faith in their own abilities to get them going/motivate/discipline and they miscalculated, trusted the wrong people in the vetting process.

[MakeItRain]

Is it possible to build a good program by developing high school guys in the portal era? David Castillo, Buddy Rich and Taj Manning are the only guys on the roster who were brought in out of high school, correct?

Yes, those are the high school recruits that he has left. I think not only is it possible to build a good program through high school recruiting, but it's the best way to go, particularly for a program like us. I think coaches balk at like this for three reasons.
1. They're afraid to take a bunch of developmental players in a conference like the Big 12, and get their asses kicked by veteran teams every night.
2. Recruiting a high school kid only to have them picked from you at the end of their freshman or sophomore year, is a real bummer. To be fair, this happened to us last year, losing Dai Dai and RJ is really hurting this team.
3. Why pay a bunch of 18 year olds when you can pay 21 and 22 year olds?

Tang should have felt like he had enough rope to try to rebuild this team with young, developing players, but for some reason he went with the attempted quick fix and now his built margin of error is gone. He has to get '25-'26 right.

[michigancat]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

[Stupid Fitz]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

[wetwillie]

I don't know what to think. His team sucks ass though in year 3 and that has been disappointing.

[I_have_purplewood]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

[Spracne]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant

[wetwillie]

Got his ass

[DILLIGAF]

Lot of Tang apologists happening.   Every single aspect of this is on him.  And BTW without Webers point guard the first year would look identical to this year.  hth

[nicname]

I think they just massively whiffed on Dug and the bigs and that they had too much faith in their own abilities to get them going/motivate/discipline and they miscalculated, trusted the wrong people in the vetting process.

There is a lot of truth to this.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Lot of Tang apologists happening.   Every single aspect of this is on him.  And BTW without Webers point guard the first year would look identical to this year.  hth

You think we could still get oscar back? I could see him being receptive to the idea

[CNS]

No way we can get oscar back. I haven’t kept up with the guy, but I bet he got scooped up by another top 25 team before that hot piece of basketball coaching ass even hit the street. I bet he was beating offers away with a stick. There is zero chance he is still available.

[Brock Landers]

Whoa, a DILLIGAF post.  What year is it?

[MakeItRain]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.

[DILLIGAF]

Whoa, a DILLIGAF post.  What year is it?

Been a day eh.  Forget this Oscar talk in attempt to distract from the point mkay.  The point stands, you know it.

[Super PurpleCat]

So what's the scoop, are we bad forever or not

[Cire]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.

And blue bloods will go back under the table.

[Skipper44]

which could play to Tang's recruiting style, allegedly

[wetwillie]

He got like 5M to construct a roster this year and might win 10 total games. I don't think financial resources is the problem.

[MakeItRain]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.

And blue bloods will go back under the table.

how would this work?

[Cire]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.

And blue bloods will go back under the table.

how would this work?

IDK,

How were guys getting paid before NIL?

[BIG APPLE CAT]

He got like 5M to construct a roster this year and might win 10 total games. I don't think financial resources is the problem.

10 might be on the generous side

[wetwillie]

I think I heard the football team was doing something like back-loading nil to create incentive for staying longer. Seems like a good play

You see lots of teams in CFB do this now. Michigan won it all last year by getting higher draft eligible guys to come back/stay for one more year. OSU added some really high end talent, but they also were able to convince guys to come back for one more run and they will probably win it all this year. Neither situation would have happened pre NIL. Tang has to find guys and figure out how to keep them and then add when needed. Just adding a bunch of dudes every year probably isn't going to work.

I'm incredibly ignorant on exactly how NIL works but I would hope they are doing this?  If not, needs to happen.

NIL as we know it is likely going away on June 1st when revenue sharing starts.

And blue bloods will go back under the table.

how would this work?

IDK,

How were guys getting paid before NIL?

Adidas was doing the bags of cash I believe.

[GregKSU1027]

If Tang wins tomorrow, consider my faith in him restored.

[deputy dawg]

And blue bloods will go back under the table.

how would this work?

A guy I worked with told he his dad was roommates with Wilt Chamberlain back in the day.  One day, an new Oldsmobile convertible showed up in front of their dorm, and a guy handed Wilt the keys.  This may be one avenue to consider - AJ sure seems to like that lavender Corvette.