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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: chuckjames on November 17, 2015, 11:11:44 AM
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So I'm not sure some people understand the actual vetting process for refugees. So here is an article about the 2 year process it takes. It's totally different than the refugee process in Europe. But keep being afraid of a terrorist posing as a refugee getting on a plane with a fake passport, like that wasn't a threat Before the refugee crisis.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html)
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Cj bringing the fire
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people dont care about that at all. they care about hating muslims and people they think look like muslims
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we are not descended from fearful men.
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we are not descended from fearful men.
I'd say we are decended of prudent, thinking men, and taking unnecessary risks is stupid.
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we are not descended from fearful men.
I'd say we are decended of prudent, thinking men, and taking unnecessary risks is stupid.
land of the free and home of the chiefs though
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So I'm not sure some people understand the actual vetting process for refugees. So here is an article about the 2 year process it takes. It's totally different than the refugee process in Europe. But keep being afraid of a terrorist posing as a refugee getting on a plane with a fake passport, like that wasn't a threat Before the refugee crisis.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html)
Many of those refugees have already started to arrive. So much for your mythical 2-year vetting process. And regardless, Obama is trying to fast track the process despite warning and objections from Homeland Security.
As for the Statue of Liberty trope, I don't see the part about importing people from terrorist hotbeds and putting them all on welfare.
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we are not descended from fearful men.
I'd say we are decended of prudent, thinking men, and taking unnecessary risks is stupid.
land of the free and home of the chiefs though
This is a great post.
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So I'm not sure some people understand the actual vetting process for refugees. So here is an article about the 2 year process it takes. It's totally different than the refugee process in Europe. But keep being afraid of a terrorist posing as a refugee getting on a plane with a fake passport, like that wasn't a threat Before the refugee crisis.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/alabama_gov_robert_bentley_rejects_refugees_playing_into_isis_s_hands.html)
Many of those refugees have already started to arrive. So much for your mythical 2-year vetting process. And regardless, Obama is trying to fast track the process despite warning and objections from Homeland Security.
As for the Statue of Liberty trope, I don't see the part about importing people from terrorist hotbeds and putting them all on welfare.
Well considering the Syrian Civil War started in 2011..it's reasonable that refugees have been applying to come to America since then. So that is why we already have refugees from Syria.
And I should have known better than to expect any kind of compassion or humanity from you. My apologies.
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i listened to a bit on earholing librag NPR about refugees being proven to be a net economic gain
the idea that they are running here to steal obamaphones from kazdubs coinpurse is not based in data. they are running here to start a new life in safety and freedom to not get murdered or bombed
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That's all great, vet first though, completely.
But then again, they can get to Mexico and pretty much just ride or walk-in from there and then head to an asylum city.
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I find it pretty hard to get worked up about bringing Refugees into our stud country
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But then again, they can get to Mexico and pretty much just ride or walk-in from there and then head to an asylum city.
Honestly, any terrorist worth worrying about is getting in this way (or via a fake passport or some other way) and not as a refugee. Getting in as a refugee would be about the most difficult way for a terrorist to get in at this point.
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Why is it our responsibility to bring them here?
I'm cool with bringing the educated ones, FWIW. Doctors and engineers and folks like that. Just not folks that would be in the bottom third or fourth of wage earning potential.
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Why do you care?
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Why shouldn't I care?
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Also the fact that some people are so afraid of refugees, but want to allow people to buy guns without any sort of background check is very funny to me. I guess better to be killed by a crazy American than a terrorist .
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I don't get the "only take the smart ones" thing either. There are plenty of people qualified for those jobs already.
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Why is it our responsibility to bring them here?
I'm cool with bringing the educated ones, FWIW. Doctors and engineers and folks like that. Just not folks that would be in the bottom third or fourth of wage earning potential.
It's not, but I think from a moral perspective (if you give a crap about that), we clearly should offer shelter to those who are fleeing terrorists.
It's the right thing to do, even if it does mean we may have to be a little brave about it.
Not to mention, this is very clearly a global crisis, and I think it's fair for the US to carry its share of the humanitarian weight when our allies (although notably absent is Israel...) are doing their part.
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We more or less caused them to be displaced so yea taking in some of them seems like the right thing to do
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There are so many heartless, shitty people in this world.
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this thread is a good read:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35519.0
and this is a great post
It's burdensome having to always step up when other pussy nations won't, but I'm proud that America is willing to shoulder that burden. It's what makes us the worlds greatest superpower and the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
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would ksuw stiff arm 10000 Syrian fetuses?
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The refugee arguments are largely racist, sure. But the security arguments are actually an improvement upon the arguments that bringing Guantanamo terrorists to supermax American prisons like Ft. Leavenworth constitutes any threat.
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People qualified here already? There is demand for more doctors and it's going unfilled.
If you're playing kickball and you have first pick, aren't you picking the best kickball player? Why not take the best ones we can?
Was taking the hmong a success? I honestly don't know. I don't think they have assimilated very well.
What makes these people different than the ones being murdered by Joseph Kony? Do we not have a moral obligation the help them as well?
Where is the line that separates people we are morally obligated to help from the ones we aren't morally obligated to help?
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If you're playing kickball and you have first pick, aren't you picking the best kickball player? Why not take the best ones we can?
It's not a draft, you stupid $!#*
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this thread is a good read:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35519.0
and this is a great post
It's burdensome having to always step up when other pussy nations won't, but I'm proud that America is willing to shoulder that burden. It's what makes us the worlds greatest superpower and the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdGkCOiM0oOqI/giphy.gif)
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What makes these people different than the ones being murdered by Joseph Kony? Do we not have a moral obligation the help them as well?
Where is the line that separates people we are morally obligated to help from the ones we aren't morally obligated to help?
Half the country fled. There are 11 million of them.
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Also, I realize this isn't really a binary situation. Just trying to simplify things. It's a pretty messed up situation to try to simplify.
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People qualified here already? There is demand for more doctors and it's going unfilled.
If you're playing kickball and you have first pick, aren't you picking the best kickball player? Why not take the best ones we can?
Was taking the hmong a success? I honestly don't know. I don't think they have assimilated very well.
What makes these people different than the ones being murdered by Joseph Kony? Do we not have a moral obligation the help them as well?
Where is the line that separates people we are morally obligated to help from the ones we aren't morally obligated to help?
These are all things that have actually happened. People emigrate to the US every day from all over the globe.
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People qualified here already? There is demand for more doctors and it's going unfilled.
If you're playing kickball and you have first pick, aren't you picking the best kickball player? Why not take the best ones we can?
Was taking the hmong a success? I honestly don't know. I don't think they have assimilated very well.
What makes these people different than the ones being murdered by Joseph Kony? Do we not have a moral obligation the help them as well?
Where is the line that separates people we are morally obligated to help from the ones we aren't morally obligated to help?
These are all things that have actually happened. People emigrate to the US every day from all over the globe.
Sure, and we also kick out scientists looking for a cure to cancer. I can't make any sense of it.
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Lotta people really wish America stopped accepting immigrants and refugees as soon as their ancestors stepped off the boat
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Yup and some of us wish none of you white devils ever came. :Yuck:
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Why is it our responsibility to bring them here?
I'm cool with bringing the educated ones, FWIW. Doctors and engineers and folks like that. Just not folks that would be in the bottom third or fourth of wage earning potential.
most of the syrian refugees are educated, middle and upper class. the poor have to sit there and take the war, it takes resources to escape.
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this thread is a good read:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35519.0
and this is a great post
It's burdensome having to always step up when other pussy nations won't, but I'm proud that America is willing to shoulder that burden. It's what makes us the worlds greatest superpower and the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdGkCOiM0oOqI/giphy.gif)
he was pretty much just talking about killing people i think
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Why is it our responsibility to bring them here?
I'm cool with bringing the educated ones, FWIW. Doctors and engineers and folks like that. Just not folks that would be in the bottom third or fourth of wage earning potential.
most of the syrian refugees are educated, middle and upper class. the poor have to sit there and take the war, it takes resources to escape.
Well that's good news.
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this thread is a good read:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35519.0
and this is a great post
It's burdensome having to always step up when other pussy nations won't, but I'm proud that America is willing to shoulder that burden. It's what makes us the worlds greatest superpower and the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdGkCOiM0oOqI/giphy.gif)
he was pretty much just talking about killing people i think
that's how I understood it too.
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I know he was talking about killing people you guys
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I know he was talking about killing people you guys
we were just trying to help out the few people on the blog who might not know that ksuw is a piece of crap.
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Mich, you know this board struggles with irony, you brought it upon yourself
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In before the discussion on the number of domestic terrorists imported as refugees to the U.S. since 9/11 (I've heard it's zero).
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i know we all know, i just wanted to make fun of kazdub again for saying force for good and meaning killing people
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In before the discussion on the number of domestic terrorists imported as refugees to the U.S. since 9/11 (I've heard it's zero).
Over 250 people (not sure how many are/were US citizens) have LEFT the United States to join ISIS.
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We need art vandelay to solve this import/export question
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In before the discussion on the number of domestic terrorists imported as refugees to the U.S. since 9/11 (I've heard it's zero).
Over 250 people (not sure how many are/were US citizens) have LEFT the United States to join ISIS.
self deportation. make the us too great to terrorize, the terrorists will leave.
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Over 250 people (not sure how many are/were US citizens) have LEFT the United States to join ISIS.
gotta hurry with that wall before they sneak back in from mexico.
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Thanks for getting rid of 250 terrorist, obama :love:
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In before the discussion on the number of domestic terrorists imported as refugees to the U.S. since 9/11 (I've heard it's zero).
Over 250 people (not sure how many are/were US citizens) have LEFT the United States to join ISIS.
Oh my, we've created more terrorists than we've imported? We're a terrorist country now? Just how many governors are going to sign documents that ban exporting terrorists from their respective state?
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Thanks for getting rid of 250 terrorist, obama :love:
they probably heard that he was gonna take their guns and bailed
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Thanks for getting rid of 250 terrorist, obama :love:
they probably heard that he was gonna take their guns and bailed
Can't talk jihad in a safe zone rough ridin' coddled americans :curse:
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this thread is a good read:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=35519.0
and this is a great post
It's burdensome having to always step up when other pussy nations won't, but I'm proud that America is willing to shoulder that burden. It's what makes us the worlds greatest superpower and the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdGkCOiM0oOqI/giphy.gif)
I love that you used Jon Stewart, because that's exactly what he would do - take a quote out of context to claim that someone is being hypocritical for a cheap laugh.
I support lending a hand to exterminate ISIS. I support humanitarian aid to the poor civilians being brutalized by ISIS. I don't support flooding this country with 100,000 new welfare recipients per year from terrorist hotbeds. We can be compassionate and moral without being stupid and jeopardizing our own security.
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I don't support flooding this country with over 100,000 new welfare recipients per year from terrorist hotbeds. We can be compassionate and moral without being stupid and jeopardizing our own security.
Where on earth did you get that 100,000 figure from?
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If you're playing kickball and you have first pick, aren't you picking the best kickball player? Why not take the best ones we can?
It's not a draft, you stupid $!#*
Why not? Or, you know, just disagree and scream obscenities.
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
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I don't support flooding this country with over 100,000 new welfare recipients per year from terrorist hotbeds. We can be compassionate and moral without being stupid and jeopardizing our own security.
Where on earth did you get that 100,000 figure from?
The news? :dunno: The aim is 100,000. Per year.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rmQv949b (http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rmQv949b)
The Obama administration is looking to increase the number of Syrian refugees who may be admitted into the U.S. as well as speed up the process. The administration plans to do this, Reuters reports, by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon. As of now, the administration promised to accept as many as 100,000 refugees each year by the end of 2017. The present annual cap is at 70,000.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/john-kerry-u-s-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-n430576 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/john-kerry-u-s-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-n430576)
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says the U.S. will accept 85,000 refugees from around the world next year, up from 70,000, and the number will rise to 100,000 in 2017.
Aides to Kerry say that many, though not all, of the additional refugees would be Syrian.
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
1.5 million refugees from the Middle East since 9/11 and not a single one arrested for domestic terrorist activities. #facts
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
not none, just the background level of american radical islamism
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Shhhhh... #facts
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
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I really enjoy it when KSUW supports lawless action only because it fits in with his political agenda.
**hint: what you're advocating about refugees is illegall**
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
not none, just the background level of american radical islamism
No thanks. We don't need any more radical Islamists in this country, and we certainly shouldn't be paying for it. We've already got enough.
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In the grand scheme, can we call borders racist? I think those Canadians are pretty racisty, with their checkpoints at the border. Plus this whole going through customs things, pretty profilie and racisty by many countries.
I think open borders are paramount in a post 9-11 world.
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
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I really enjoy it when KSUW supports lawless action only because it fits in with his political agenda.
**hint: what you're advocating about refugees is illegall**
Why?
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
i met some kyrgyzstanis last weeked and would you believe that they were asian!
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
But very close, I think they were from one of those former Soviet republics that made up Zbig's Grand Chessboard, of which you see a battle for today. But, that's probably a conspiracy theory.
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Chechnya
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I really enjoy it when KSUW supports lawless action only because it fits in with his political agenda.
**hint: what you're advocating about refugees is illegall**
Why?
Seriously? I'm taken aback.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/ProtocolStatusOfRefugees.aspx
I mean we can talk about this like adults, I think there is a knowledge gap for people on the process of getting to the US as a refugee and what America's responsibilities are. I'm not anywhere near fluent on the matter, but I think the conversation is valuable.
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Shhhhh... #facts
:lol: I mean :lol:
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
So?
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:sdeek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
EDIT: So this was the guy that was going to blow up LAX back in 2000 (pre 9/11 obvs). Got into Canada with a fake French passport. Well, they caught him trying to enter, he told a fake story and they let him stay! And, not only that, approved him for 3 years of welfare! Eventually his application for entry was denied but he skipped town. It took nearly 3 years for an arrest warrant to be issued for him. Meanwhile dude is in Afghan training with Al Qaeda under a fake Canadian passport. Apparently you only need a baptismal certificate to get a Canadian passport? He was arrested 4 times between when he was in Afghan and when his plot was foiled, never was he jailed. Caught trying to enter the US with the bombs.
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
So?
So read the thread :facepalm:
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How did the Boston marathon guys' family get here?
Asylum
Also not really middle eastern
So?
So read the thread :facepalm:
So read the original post. Had nothing to do with any specific geographic region whatsoever.
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
1.5 million refugees from the Middle East since 9/11 and not a single one arrested for domestic terrorist activities. #facts
Quoting because Emo EMAW can't follow a discussion
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:sdeek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
EDIT: So this was the guy that was going to blow up LAX back in 2000 (pre 9/11 obvs). Got into Canada with a fake French passport. Well, they caught him trying to enter, he told a fake story and they let him stay! And, not only that, approved him for 3 years of welfare! Eventually his application for entry was denied but he skipped town. It took nearly 3 years for an arrest warrant to be issued for him. Meanwhile dude is in Afghan training with Al Qaeda under a fake Canadian passport. Apparently you only need a baptismal certificate to get a Canadian passport? He was arrested 4 times between when he was in Afghan and when his plot was foiled, never was he jailed. Caught trying to enter the US with the bombs.
:zzz:
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:sdeek: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam
EDIT: So this was the guy that was going to blow up LAX back in 2000 (pre 9/11 obvs). Got into Canada with a fake French passport. Well, they caught him trying to enter, he told a fake story and they let him stay! And, not only that, approved him for 3 years of welfare! Eventually his application for entry was denied but he skipped town. It took nearly 3 years for an arrest warrant to be issued for him. Meanwhile dude is in Afghan training with Al Qaeda under a fake Canadian passport. Apparently you only need a baptismal certificate to get a Canadian passport? He was arrested 4 times between when he was in Afghan and when his plot was foiled, never was he jailed. Caught trying to enter the US with the bombs.
better make it two walls.
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kazub, just hypothetically, if the 100,000 welfare recipients mostly got off welfare and self supported very quickly and started businesses and were a net economic gain with no more than the background level of crime and violence, would you be in favor of letting them in?
So in this land of make believe, none of these refugees are radical Islamists and the vast majority very quickly assimilate into their communities and don't depend upon welfare? Sure. Bring 'em on in.
1.5 million refugees from the Middle East since 9/11 and not a single one arrested for domestic terrorist activities. #facts
Quoting because Emo EMAW can't follow a discussion
Glad to hear you're ok with letting in terrorists, but only if they aren't from the "Middle East."
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Back pedaling!
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I'm not so much "OK with terrorists" as I am "not worried in the least" about them.
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when i am shot to death in public, i wont really care if it was a terrorist or "a mental health issue"
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The Boston bombers were neither refugees nor from the me, which are both relevant to the issue being discussed and counter to whatever #facts ksuw thought.
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The Boston bombers were neither refugees nor from the me, which are both relevant to the issue being discussed and counter to whatever #facts ksuw thought.
and they werent radicalized until after
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So!?!
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The Boston bombers were neither refugees nor from the me, which are both relevant to the issue being discussed and counter to whatever #facts ksuw thought.
and they werent radicalized until after
Why is when they were radicalized relevant?
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they werent radicals or terrorists when the migrated
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I don't think the people killed in Boston give a crap when they were radicalized. If anything the fact that they were radicalized here makes it more troubling.
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And has nothing to do with Syrian refugees
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I don't think the people killed in Boston give a crap when they were radicalized. If anything the fact that they were radicalized here makes it more troubling.
wall off boston.
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I don't support flooding this country with over 100,000 new welfare recipients per year from terrorist hotbeds. We can be compassionate and moral without being stupid and jeopardizing our own security.
Where on earth did you get that 100,000 figure from?
The news? :dunno: The aim is 100,000. Per year.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rmQv949b (http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/14/cong-source-syrian-refugees-coming-to-u-s-for-last-two-fiscal-years/#ixzz3rmQv949b)
The Obama administration is looking to increase the number of Syrian refugees who may be admitted into the U.S. as well as speed up the process. The administration plans to do this, Reuters reports, by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon. As of now, the administration promised to accept as many as 100,000 refugees each year by the end of 2017. The present annual cap is at 70,000.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/john-kerry-u-s-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-n430576 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/john-kerry-u-s-accept-85-000-refugees-2016-100-n430576)
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says the U.S. will accept 85,000 refugees from around the world next year, up from 70,000, and the number will rise to 100,000 in 2017.
Aides to Kerry say that many, though not all, of the additional refugees would be Syrian.
Ah, apoligies. I hadn't read about the years moving forward -- I'd only seen the 10,000 figure that states are currently raising hell about.
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It completely astounds me that so many people are against allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. using a process that was established after 9/11 that has allowed exactly zero domestic terrorists to enter the U.S. 1.5 million Middle Eastern refugees, zero terrorists. The explanation that I can accept is that people are that clueless of the facts. Maybe they think that 0bama is shipping them over next week? idk i-j-d-k
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It completely astounds me that so many people are against allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. using a process that was established after 9/11 that has allowed exactly zero domestic terrorists to enter the U.S. 1.5 million Middle Eastern refugees, zero terrorists. The explanation that I can accept is that people are that clueless of the facts. Maybe they think that 0bama is shipping them over next week? idk i-j-d-k
just shows how successful terrorism is. very sad.
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The Boston bombers were neither refugees nor from the me, which are both relevant to the issue being discussed and counter to whatever #facts ksuw thought.
If you really think that seeking asylum status versus refugee status, or being from Chechnya versus "the Middle East" are in any way relevant distinctions... I don't even know what to say to that. :lol:
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It completely astounds me that so many people are against allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. using a process that was established after 9/11 that has allowed exactly zero domestic terrorists to enter the U.S. 1.5 million Middle Eastern refugees, zero terrorists. The explanation that I can accept is that people are that clueless of the facts. Maybe they think that 0bama is shipping them over next week? idk i-j-d-k
Yes, this is a very carefully tailored talking point that may or may not be true, but it is too narrow to really matter. For example, as has already been discussed, it omits terrorists like the Boston bombers. It also ignores a larger problem: large Muslim immigrant populations that have not assimilated and are likely breeding grounds for radical Islam in the United States. The FBI is deeply concerned about many such communities. The FBI has even taken action to shut down certain radical groups. For example:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/29shooting.html?referer=&_r=0 (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/29shooting.html?referer=&_r=0)
And then there is the uptick in Sharia Law being practiced in these communities, a set of "laws" incompatible with our legal system.
These are not good things.
To argue in spite of this that - yeah, but nobody specifically admitted as a refugee from a middle eastern country has successfully carried out a terrorist attack yet - is a pretty thin argument and seems more like putting your head in the sand.
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Help them assimilate
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Help them assimilate
Ok. Dramatically scaling back the welfare they receive would be a good start.
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not providing welfare to refugees is perfectly reasonable, imo, as long as they are permitted to work. if access to social assistance is a significant impediment to allowing refugees to come to the u.s., then it could/should be changed.
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It completely astounds me that so many people are against allowing Syrian refugees into the U.S. using a process that was established after 9/11 that has allowed exactly zero domestic terrorists to enter the U.S. 1.5 million Middle Eastern refugees, zero terrorists. The explanation that I can accept is that people are that clueless of the facts. Maybe they think that 0bama is shipping them over next week? idk i-j-d-k
Yes, this is a very carefully tailored talking point that may or may not be true, but it is too narrow to really matter. For example, as has already been discussed, it omits terrorists like the Boston bombers. It also ignores a larger problem: large Muslim immigrant populations that have not assimilated and are likely breeding grounds for radical Islam in the United States. The FBI is deeply concerned about many such communities. The FBI has even taken action to shut down certain radical groups. For example:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/29shooting.html?referer=&_r=0 (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/29shooting.html?referer=&_r=0)
And then there is the uptick in Sharia Law being practiced in these communities, a set of "laws" incompatible with our legal system.
These are not good things.
To argue in spite of this that - yeah, but nobody specifically admitted as a refugee from a middle eastern country has successfully carried out a terrorist attack yet - is a pretty thin argument and seems more like putting your head in the sand.
It's rough ridin' true. You know that because you Googled it before you responded and you can't call me out on it.
This response saddens me (no dax).
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I'd suggest anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus, take a look at his answer when asked "who is my neighbor" in Luke chapter 10. I'd also suggest those who claim to follow Jesus, but fear death and terrorism from refugees, consider what Paul says about death in Philippians 1 verse 21.
Safety is a complete illusion. You are not safe and neither am I. I believe the 1st role of government is protection of citizens from its enemies, from foreign and domestic threats to our lives and liberty. However, that's not who these people are. They are refugees. What a long con that would be to be displaced from your home and pushed around by bullies like ISIS as a way to pretend to be a good guy so you could get here and blow something up.
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:thumbs:
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If you're not a follower of Jesus feel free to use objective thought to decide for yourself.
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If you're not a follower of Jesus feel free to use objective thought to decide for yourself.
of course, and objectively showing compassion to a person fleeing a war zone is a good decision, and of course there is risk, but really how much risk is it?
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my fear of getting hurt in a terrorist attack ranks just slightly above my fear of something bad happening to me because of climate change. sure its possible, but ridiculously long odds. best thing i can do is do my best to raise my kids to be positive members of society, and be kind to my neighbors. certain things are so far beyond my control its almost laughable so worrying about it is pretty pointless
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my fear of getting hurt in a terrorist attack ranks just slightly above my fear of something bad happening to me because of climate change. sure its possible, but ridiculously long odds. best thing i can do is do my best to raise my kids to be positive members of society, and be kind to my neighbors. certain things are so far beyond my control its almost laughable so worrying about it is pretty pointless
Terrorism and crime affects you regardless of whether it actually kills you or one of your loved ones. I'd rather live in a country with stronger borders and a freer society inside.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html)
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my fear of getting hurt in a terrorist attack ranks just slightly above my fear of something bad happening to me because of climate change. sure its possible, but ridiculously long odds. best thing i can do is do my best to raise my kids to be positive members of society, and be kind to my neighbors. certain things are so far beyond my control its almost laughable so worrying about it is pretty pointless
Terrorism and crime affects you regardless of whether it actually kills you or one of your loved ones. I'd rather live in a country with stronger borders and a freer society inside.
of course it affects me. also affected the refugees fleeing a war, I'd say of the 2 of us, it affected them more.
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what does "home of the chiefs" even mean anymore? more like "home of the paranoid."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html)
listen man, there are bad dudes out there no doubt. and they might come here, no doubt. but this reactionary "NO SYRIAN'S ALLOWED IN KANSAS" mindset got us the Patriot Act, which IMO was a huge blunder and an assault on liberty. perhaps the governors and trump and others who are so quick to say "STAY OUT MIDDLE EASTERNERS" ought to consider their actions a little more cautiously, and learn from the past.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html)
listen man, there are bad dudes out there no doubt. and they might come here, no doubt. but this reactionary "NO SYRIAN'S ALLOWED IN KANSAS" mindset got us the Patriot Act, which IMO was a huge blunder and an assault on liberty. perhaps the governors and trump and others who are so quick to say "STAY OUT MIDDLE EASTERNERS" ought to consider their actions a little more cautiously, and learn from the past.
So you don't like the USAPatriot Act (I don't either), but you're not really concerned about terrorism? What do you think spawned the USAPatriot Act? Again, I would prefer to be a nation of strong borders as opposed to a police state with police armed in riot gear and AK-47s on every corner. That's what you see in Paris.
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Coming soon to Dearborn, Michigan. No thanks.
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such a bunch of chickens.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322649/The-enemy-Nearly-SEVENTY-arrested-America-ISIS-plots-include-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html)
listen man, there are bad dudes out there no doubt. and they might come here, no doubt. but this reactionary "NO SYRIAN'S ALLOWED IN KANSAS" mindset got us the Patriot Act, which IMO was a huge blunder and an assault on liberty. perhaps the governors and trump and others who are so quick to say "STAY OUT MIDDLE EASTERNERS" ought to consider their actions a little more cautiously, and learn from the past.
So you don't like the USAPatriot Act (I don't either), but you're not really concerned about terrorism? What do you think spawned the USAPatriot Act? Again, I would prefer to be a nation of strong borders as opposed to a police state with police armed in riot gear and AK-47s on every corner. That's what you see in Paris.
KSU, I'm probably not going to change your mind about this, so after this you can continue to hash it out with everyone else here in the pit. I am concerned about terrorism, and of course I think its a threat here in the USA, but opening the doors of our nation to refugees fleeing a war, is worth the risk. Let's consider as a nation, who is our neighbor? JMHO.
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If you're not a follower of Jesus feel free to use objective thought to decide for yourself.
of course, and objectively showing compassion to a person fleeing a war zone is a good decision, and of course there is risk, but really how much risk is it?
I think that's what a lot of people are trying to understand, and really are just pumping the brakes to take the time to try to understand it. Apparently a lot of people in support of bringing them here have either 1) already looked at the data/facts and made their decision, or 2) are willing to accept any risk to show these people compassion.
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Cf3 sounds pretty reasonable
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
http://www.startribune.com/two-rochester-women-get-10-20-years-for-aiding-somalia-terrorists/207699791/ (http://www.startribune.com/two-rochester-women-get-10-20-years-for-aiding-somalia-terrorists/207699791/)
The women, both U.S. citizens who came here from Somalia, were convicted in 2011 of conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabab in fundraising in Rochester that prosecutors have called “a deadly pipeline” of money and fighters from the United State to Somalia.
They have had wide support in the Twin Cities’ Somali-American community, and many in the courtroom were stunned by the sentences, especially the 20-year sentence for Ali.
Hassan Mohamud, a St. Paul imam, said he believes the sentences were too long and that both women should have been released.
“All they did was aid the poor and the orphans,” he said.
But prosecutors said it was clear from the phone conversations they monitored that the women knew they were raising money for Al-Shabab, a group labeled a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department in 2008.
There are plenty of other examples. We're getting enough problems from radical Islam being bred in foreign nations, why do we want to encourage it here?
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
More than a dozen have tried to leave to join ISIS? Good grief, that's nothing. You are insane.
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
More than a dozen have tried to leave to join ISIS? Good grief, that's nothing. You are insane.
If that is nothing, what would be something?
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
More than a dozen have tried to leave to join ISIS? Good grief, that's nothing. You are insane.
If that is nothing, what would be something?
I don't know, maybe buying a gun and shooting up a school?
But I guess that can happen with our own citizens, so let's just let them in with a reasonably thorough vetting.
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Am I correct in assuming that these tired and poor will be sent to work in our textiles plants, factories, plantations and/or infantries? We can work them 65 hours a week at reduced wages, including the children, correct?
If so, yay. #nina, tho
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Perhaps this is too pragmatic, but here are my hesitations regarding the issue:
1) It seems illogical and irrational to put people on airplanes and take them thousands of miles from their home, to a place where they know nobody, know not the language, nor possess the resources to succeed, when there are dozens of adjoining countries they could take refuge in. Further, isn't the idea that they'll return home once things are safe?
2) I don't know how anyone ever trusts the federal government to do anything correctly, particularly this exceedingly incompetent administration, particularly on this issue, and as such have zero confidence that they'll properly screen any isis people. It seems like erring on the side of caution may be warranted under these circumstances. Send the other countries money if you want to help.
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I think the US is probably the least likely place in the world for these people to end up being terrorists. Only issue is it's probably too easy for them to get guns if they decide to be gun terrorists.
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
More than a dozen have tried to leave to join ISIS? Good grief, that's nothing. You are insane.
If that is nothing, what would be something?
I don't know, maybe buying a gun and shooting up a school?
But I guess that can happen with our own citizens, so let's just let them in with a reasonably thorough vetting.
Do they become citizens?
I would be worried that this country is proven to be a good incubator of radical Islam. I'm less worried about bad people getting in than I am about them becoming bad people once they are here.
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Perhaps this is too pragmatic, but here are my hesitations regarding the issue:
1) It seems illogical and irrational to put people on airplanes and take them thousands of miles from their home, to a place where they know nobody, know not the language, nor possess the resources to succeed, when there are dozens of adjoining countries they could take refuge in. Further, isn't the idea that they'll return home once things are safe?
2) I don't know how anyone ever trusts the federal government to do anything correctly, particularly this exceedingly incompetent administration, particularly on this issue, and as such have zero confidence that they'll properly screen any isis people. It seems like erring on the side of caution may be warranted under these circumstances. Send the other countries money if you want to help.
I can't imagine anyone who chooses to flee Syria choosing to go back with the alternative being staying in the most prosperous nation in the world.
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I think the US is probably the least likely place in the world for these people to end up being terrorists. Only issue is it's probably too easy for them to get guns if they decide to be gun terrorists.
I'd rather have these people "end up being terrorists" in Syria or Somalia as opposed to inside the US.
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Cute. So are we just going to pretend that the predominant releigion of the current refugees is irrelevant?
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This is what happens when you relocate hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees to the United States and they don't assimilate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/world/middleeast/from-minneapolis-to-isis-an-americans-path-to-jihad.html?_r=0)
Most of the American ISIS volunteers display an earnest religious zeal, usually newfound. [huh, wonder where that's coming from?] ... The majority of the Islamic State recruits are men, but there are quite a few women. The volunteers include teenagers too young to drive and middle-aged adults with families and careers; petty criminals and diligent students. A substantial minority are converts to Islam, while others are the children of immigrants with roots in 10 Muslim countries.
The only cluster in the country is in Minneapolis [home to the biggest Somali population in the country thanks to refugee resettlement], where two dozen young men with Somali roots departed in recent years to fight with the Shabab, the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Somalia. Now, to the distress of Somali elders, more than a dozen others have left or have tried to leave to join ISIS.
More than a dozen have tried to leave to join ISIS? Good grief, that's nothing. You are insane.
If that is nothing, what would be something?
I don't know, maybe buying a gun and shooting up a school?
But I guess that can happen with our own citizens, so let's just let them in with a reasonably thorough vetting.
Do they become citizens?
I would be worried that this country is proven to be a good incubator of radical Islam. I'm less worried about bad people getting in than I am about them becoming bad people once they are here.
this country is not "proven to be a good incubator of radical islam", my goodness. And I think it would be great if they'd like to become citizens.
I think the US is probably the least likely place in the world for these people to end up being terrorists. Only issue is it's probably too easy for them to get guns if they decide to be gun terrorists.
I'd rather have these people "end up being terrorists" in Syria or Somalia as opposed to inside the US.
so adorably simple-minded
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Do they become citizens?
I would be worried that this country is proven to be a good incubator of radical Islam. I'm less worried about bad people getting in than I am about them becoming bad people once they are here.
Wha...
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html)
Yes, these seem like sensible, decent folks. Let's import several hundred thousand of them, please.
"Let's have a moment of silence for the innocent people slaughtered by radical Islamic terrorists in Paris. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!"
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Constantly talks about being religiously persecuted in America.
Rejects war refugees because of their religion.
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Cfor3 is a good person. He loves the Royals and makes people think without being a dumbass.
Gonna win 'em all!
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euro soccer fans are pretty trashy, for sure. I don't want them in our country at all.
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Cfor3 is a good person. He loves the Royals and makes people think without being a dumbass.
Gonna win 'em all!
For once, you're correct dobber
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So are we just going to pretend that the predominant religion of the current refugees is irrelevant?
they didn't in 1938, so i don't know why we'd do so now.
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Constantly talks about being religiously persecuted in America.
Rejects war refugees because of their religion.
Believes Islam is no more prone to radical violence than Christianity.
Hey look, I can do it too!
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So are we just going to pretend that the predominant religion of the current refugees is irrelevant?
they didn't in 1938, so i don't know why we'd do so now.
Well, other than the objective and overwhelming evidence that Islam has a particular problem with radical violence. Other than that...
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Why are we citing a tabloid as a news source? :dunno:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
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So are we just going to pretend that the predominant religion of the current refugees is irrelevant?
they didn't in 1938, so i don't know why we'd do so now.
Well, other than the objective and overwhelming evidence that Islam has a particular problem with radical violence. Other than that...
So no Islamic people can move here?
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As has already been mentioned, at least 250 people have left the US to join ISIS. Additionally, there have been several attacks in the US linked to radical Islam (Ft Hood, Boston Marathon, Beltway Sniper) and many many more foiled attempts (Jose Padilla/dirty bomb, Iyman Faris, Virginia Jihad Network, etc). Really the list is too long to mention. At least 29 attempts since Bush's first term, most perpetrated by US citizens, many of whom were not born here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11
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So are we just going to pretend that the predominant religion of the current refugees is irrelevant?
they didn't in 1938, so i don't know why we'd do so now.
Well, other than the objective and overwhelming evidence that Islam has a particular problem with radical violence. Other than that...
reading comprehension.
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Constantly talks about being religiously persecuted in America.
Rejects war refugees because of their religion.
Believes Islam is no more prone to radical violence than Christianity.
Hey look, I can do it too!
I've said just the opposite actually
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As has already been mentioned, at least 250 people have left the US to join ISIS. Additionally, there have been several attacks in the US linked to radical Islam (Ft Hood, Boston Marathon, Beltway Sniper) and many many more foiled attempts (Jose Padilla/dirty bomb, Iyman Faris, Virginia Jihad Network, etc). Really the list is too long to mention. At least 29 attempts since Bush's first term, most perpetrated by US citizens, many of whom were not born here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11
you're a loon, I mean you're freaking out about failed attempts by bumbling dumbfucks that are often set up by the FBI.
also this one is so bizarre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg#Planned_9.2F11_Anniversary_Attack_in_Kansas_City.2C_Missouri
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As has already been mentioned, at least 250 people have left the US to join ISIS. Additionally, there have been several attacks in the US linked to radical Islam (Ft Hood, Boston Marathon, Beltway Sniper) and many many more foiled attempts (Jose Padilla/dirty bomb, Iyman Faris, Virginia Jihad Network, etc). Really the list is too long to mention. At least 29 attempts since Bush's first term, most perpetrated by US citizens, many of whom were not born here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11
you're a loon, I mean you're freaking out about failed attempts by bumbling dumbfucks that are often set up by the FBI.
also this one is so bizarre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg#Planned_9.2F11_Anniversary_Attack_in_Kansas_City.2C_Missouri
Ok Rus, we get it. Head. Sand.
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Here's a list of terrorists we've allowed in the country with the 1.5 million refugees from the Middle East in 14 years:
1.)
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As has already been mentioned, at least 250 people have left the US to join ISIS. Additionally, there have been several attacks in the US linked to radical Islam (Ft Hood, Boston Marathon, Beltway Sniper) and many many more foiled attempts (Jose Padilla/dirty bomb, Iyman Faris, Virginia Jihad Network, etc). Really the list is too long to mention. At least 29 attempts since Bush's first term, most perpetrated by US citizens, many of whom were not born here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11
you're a loon, I mean you're freaking out about failed attempts by bumbling dumbfucks that are often set up by the FBI.
also this one is so bizarre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg#Planned_9.2F11_Anniversary_Attack_in_Kansas_City.2C_Missouri
Is calmly typing on a keyboard freaking out? :users: I'm just sharing facts, that's all. It's obvious you've reached your conclusion without any consideration of them. Not everybody does it like that.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html)
Yes, these seem like sensible, decent folks. Let's import several hundred thousand of them, please.
"Let's have a moment of silence for the innocent people slaughtered by radical Islamic terrorists in Paris. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!"
I really like these hit pieces where they leave out why the Turks were jeering FIFA, and not the moment of silence.
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Hmmm, if I'm ISIS, I'm taking full advantage of the "securing the borders ='s racism" dumbasses that populate the United States by the millions before I go to the trouble of sending somebody through refugee mechanisms.
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I really like these hit pieces where they leave out why the Turks were jeering FIFA, and not the moment of silence.
you're also insane.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html)
Yes, these seem like sensible, decent folks. Let's import several hundred thousand of them, please.
"Let's have a moment of silence for the innocent people slaughtered by radical Islamic terrorists in Paris. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!"
I really like these hit pieces where they leave out why the Turks were jeering FIFA, and not the moment of silence.
Yes, they were just jeering FIFA with cries of Allahu Akbar. :lol:
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Oh I decided to do a little search on the latest edn whack-a-doodleness, and lets put it like this, if Turk apologists have to explain themselves that much. Then they sure as hell weren't boo'ing FIFA.
Now, they do have a specific slogan they chant at soccer matches when they have moments of silence due to deaths from their racist war against the Kurds. But these explanations of boo'ing FIFA are laughable.
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Oh I decided to do a little search on the latest edn whack-a-doodleness, and lets put it like this, if Turk apologists have to explain themselves that much. Then they sure as hell weren't boo'ing FIFA.
Now, they do have a specific slogan they chant at soccer matches when they have moments of silence due to deaths from their racist war against the Kurds. But these explanations of boo'ing FIFA are laughable.
it's just edn. he's stupid.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html)
Yes, these seem like sensible, decent folks. Let's import several hundred thousand of them, please.
"Let's have a moment of silence for the innocent people slaughtered by radical Islamic terrorists in Paris. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!"
I really like these hit pieces where they leave out why the Turks were jeering FIFA, and not the moment of silence.
Yes, they were just jeering FIFA with cries of Allahu Akbar. :lol:
I've listened to the video and have yet to hear that chant during the moment of silence. They were chanting other things but I'll leave that for you to find out. I know all those funny languages sound like Team America Islamic talk to you, but there actually are differences.
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Oh I decided to do a little search on the latest edn whack-a-doodleness, and lets put it like this, if Turk apologists have to explain themselves that much. Then they sure as hell weren't boo'ing FIFA.
Now, they do have a specific slogan they chant at soccer matches when they have moments of silence due to deaths from their racist war against the Kurds. But these explanations of boo'ing FIFA are laughable.
it's just edn. he's stupid.
I guess your reading level is about on par with KSUW and Dax, I thought better of you. Why don't you look to see how well the moment of silence went after their terrorist attacks.
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Oh I decided to do a little search on the latest edn whack-a-doodleness, and lets put it like this, if Turk apologists have to explain themselves that much. Then they sure as hell weren't boo'ing FIFA.
Now, they do have a specific slogan they chant at soccer matches when they have moments of silence due to deaths from their racist war against the Kurds. But these explanations of boo'ing FIFA are laughable.
it's just edn. he's stupid.
I guess your reading level is about on par with KSUW and Dax, I thought better of you. Why don't you look to see how well the moment of silence went after their terrorist attacks.
Who is "their"?
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Why don't you look to see how well the moment of silence went after their terrorist attacks.
that not all turks agree with inappropriate nationalist/islamist chants at football games is not the same thing as pretending they didn't happen.
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Who is "their"?
he is referencing similar chants during a moment of silence at a football game following the bombing in ankara.
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Why don't you look to see how well the moment of silence went after their terrorist attacks.
that not all turks agree with inappropriate nationalist/islamist chants at football games is not the same thing as pretending they didn't happen.
This post is very poorly structured.
I'm not saying I agree with their actions, but there was a reason for it. It's not meant to be total disrespect to the victims of the Paris attacks as KSUW makes it out to be.
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This post is very poorly structured.
I'm not saying I agree with their actions, but there was a reason for it. It's not meant to be total disrespect to the victims of the Paris attacks as KSUW makes it out to be.
it was poorly structured. i didn't want to write two sentences, so i just let it go.
it had nothing to do with fifa, which was your ridiculous claim.
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This post is very poorly structured.
I'm not saying I agree with their actions, but there was a reason for it. It's not meant to be total disrespect to the victims of the Paris attacks as KSUW makes it out to be.
it was poorly structured. i didn't want to write two sentences, so i just let it go.
it had nothing to do with fifa, which was your ridiculous claim.
So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
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I think we can all agree that the process that was used to bring those Middle Eastern refugees inside our borders needs to be copied and applied to those problematic regions where terrorists have bamboozled the process and entered the US.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
So you don't have a defense of your position and you're deflecting to ad hominem personal attacks. Way to go Dax.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
So you don't have a defense of your position and you're deflecting to ad hominem personal attacks. Way to go Dax.
there's no point arguing with someone that is stupid, dishonest or insane.
you posted a story about the international media focusing less attention on terrorist attacks in kenya, presumably in support of your assertion that turkish football fans disregarded a moment of silence for the parisian victims because they were jeering fifa. fifa is a rich and powerful organization in the context of international sport; however, there is no evidence that they influence international coverage of tragedies. to insinuate a connection is stupid, dishonest or insane.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
So you don't have a defense of your position and you're deflecting to ad hominem personal attacks. Way to go Dax.
there's no point arguing with someone that is stupid, dishonest or insane.
you posted a story about the international media focusing less attention on terrorist attacks in kenya, presumably in support of your assertion that turkish football fans disregarded a moment of silence for the parisian victims because they were jeering fifa. fifa is a rich and powerful organization in the context of international sport; however, there is no evidence that they influence international coverage of tragedies. to insinuate a connection is stupid, dishonest or insane.
edn whack-a-doodle is the King of Deflection (not to be confused with the King of Pain)
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
So you don't have a defense of your position and you're deflecting to ad hominem personal attacks. Way to go Dax.
there's no point arguing with someone that is stupid, dishonest or insane.
you posted a story about the international media focusing less attention on terrorist attacks in kenya, presumably in support of your assertion that turkish football fans disregarded a moment of silence for the parisian victims because they were jeering fifa. fifa is a rich and powerful organization in the context of international sport; however, there is no evidence that they influence international coverage of tragedies. to insinuate a connection is stupid, dishonest or insane.
So you just claimed that FIFA doesn't control whether or not to have a moment of silence before their games? Are you that stupid? Of course FIFA is controlling exactly how these games are scripted before and after the match. To say otherwise is just baseless and absurd.
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Holy crap, get this kid a straight-jacket.
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So you're telling me the Turks don't have a legit beef with FIFA for not going to the same level of recognition for their terror attacks?
i wasn't telling you that, but if you want me to, i will.
Should we tell the Kenyans that too?
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/11/17/456342689/why-didnt-the-world-say-we-are-all-kenyans-last-april
good lord, you're stupid, dishonest or insane. perhaps all three, like westicles and the holy trinity.
So you don't have a defense of your position and you're deflecting to ad hominem personal attacks. Way to go Dax.
there's no point arguing with someone that is stupid, dishonest or insane.
you posted a story about the international media focusing less attention on terrorist attacks in kenya, presumably in support of your assertion that turkish football fans disregarded a moment of silence for the parisian victims because they were jeering fifa. fifa is a rich and powerful organization in the context of international sport; however, there is no evidence that they influence international coverage of tragedies. to insinuate a connection is stupid, dishonest or insane.
So you just claimed that FIFA doesn't control whether or not to have a moment of silence before their games? Are you that stupid? Of course FIFA is controlling exactly how these games are scripted before and after the match. To say otherwise is just baseless and absurd.
I re-read your posts Sys, and you're completely missing the point. It wasn't jeering FIFA in the sense you are taking it. It was a jeer at FIFA and the rest of the world for not acknowledging other acts in the same way people are for Paris. That is why the criticism from Kenya is also valid. The western world has blinders on to acts of violence outside of Europe, as noted in the NPR piece. The Turks do have some validity to their complaint that FIFA didn't do as much for "their" tragedy as for Paris. Now was it crass and overshadowing to the point of undermining their criticism, eff yes, but there is still a point of truth to it.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrorists-refugee-program-settle-us/story?id=35252500 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/terrorists-refugee-program-settle-us/story?id=35252500)
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I'd suggest anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus, take a look at his answer when asked "who is my neighbor" in Luke chapter 10. I'd also suggest those who claim to follow Jesus, but fear death and terrorism from refugees, consider what Paul says about death in Philippians 1 verse 21.
Safety is a complete illusion. You are not safe and neither am I. I believe the 1st role of government is protection of citizens from its enemies, from foreign and domestic threats to our lives and liberty. However, that's not who these people are. They are refugees. What a long con that would be to be displaced from your home and pushed around by bullies like ISIS as a way to pretend to be a good guy so you could get here and blow something up.
Most reasonable thing written ITT. Also treating these people like crap when they get here is a guaranteed reason for them to potentially rethink their decision and thoughts about the US. Have them come here and treat them with dignity and humanity, they'll be prosperous friends and allies for a long time. Even if they move back to Syria if/when this all ends, imagine the improved relations we could have if we help out now.
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I'd suggest anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus, take a look at his answer when asked "who is my neighbor" in Luke chapter 10. I'd also suggest those who claim to follow Jesus, but fear death and terrorism from refugees, consider what Paul says about death in Philippians 1 verse 21.
Safety is a complete illusion. You are not safe and neither am I. I believe the 1st role of government is protection of citizens from its enemies, from foreign and domestic threats to our lives and liberty. However, that's not who these people are. They are refugees. What a long con that would be to be displaced from your home and pushed around by bullies like ISIS as a way to pretend to be a good guy so you could get here and blow something up.
Most reasonable thing written ITT. Also treating these people like crap when they get here is a guaranteed reason for them to potentially rethink their decision and thoughts about the US. Have them come here and treat them with dignity and humanity, they'll be prosperous friends and allies for a long time. Even if they move back to Syria if/when this all ends, imagine the improved relations we could have if we help out now.
You don't really think any of them are ever going back, do you?
Also, I love that the nihilistic attitude of "hey, everybody dies" is the best argument proffered so far to not be concerned about mass importation and resulting non-assimilation of Muslims from terrorist hotbeds. :lol:
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I'd suggest anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus, take a look at his answer when asked "who is my neighbor" in Luke chapter 10. I'd also suggest those who claim to follow Jesus, but fear death and terrorism from refugees, consider what Paul says about death in Philippians 1 verse 21.
Safety is a complete illusion. You are not safe and neither am I. I believe the 1st role of government is protection of citizens from its enemies, from foreign and domestic threats to our lives and liberty. However, that's not who these people are. They are refugees. What a long con that would be to be displaced from your home and pushed around by bullies like ISIS as a way to pretend to be a good guy so you could get here and blow something up.
Most reasonable thing written ITT. Also treating these people like crap when they get here is a guaranteed reason for them to potentially rethink their decision and thoughts about the US. Have them come here and treat them with dignity and humanity, they'll be prosperous friends and allies for a long time. Even if they move back to Syria if/when this all ends, imagine the improved relations we could have if we help out now.
You don't really think any of them are ever going back, do you?
Also, I love that the nihilistic attitude of "hey, everybody dies" is the best argument proffered so far to not be concerned about mass importation and resulting non-assimilation of Muslims from terrorist hotbeds. :lol:
Why would that matter? Still would be in communication with friends and family that didn't make it or with others still there. And I also said if, not all, or some, or many. I'd think some might return, but sure, most will stay, all the better. As for the nihilism comment about everyone dies you missed the point of CF3's post entirely.
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13% of Syrian refugees have a "positive" or "somewhat positive" view of ISIS. To be fair, the polling sample probably includes about 10% terrorists.
http://m.clarionproject.org/analysis/13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll (http://m.clarionproject.org/analysis/13-percent-syrian-refugees-support-isis-poll)
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
would be pretty easy actually
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I love it (not really) when people use other peoples' faith against them in one discussion, and then totally trash their faith in another. (not directed at dlew here, but it is happening no doubt)
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I think the FBI's anti-terrorism stings that K-S-U and emo keep linking to are scarier than terrorism
https://theintercept.com/2015/03/16/howthefbicreatedaterrorist/
https://theintercept.com/2015/04/15/fbi-informant-stung-fbi/
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I'd suggest anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus, take a look at his answer when asked "who is my neighbor" in Luke chapter 10. I'd also suggest those who claim to follow Jesus, but fear death and terrorism from refugees, consider what Paul says about death in Philippians 1 verse 21.
Safety is a complete illusion. You are not safe and neither am I. I believe the 1st role of government is protection of citizens from its enemies, from foreign and domestic threats to our lives and liberty. However, that's not who these people are. They are refugees. What a long con that would be to be displaced from your home and pushed around by bullies like ISIS as a way to pretend to be a good guy so you could get here and blow something up.
Most reasonable thing written ITT. Also treating these people like crap when they get here is a guaranteed reason for them to potentially rethink their decision and thoughts about the US. Have them come here and treat them with dignity and humanity, they'll be prosperous friends and allies for a long time. Even if they move back to Syria if/when this all ends, imagine the improved relations we could have if we help out now.
You don't really think any of them are ever going back, do you?
Also, I love that the nihilistic attitude of "hey, everybody dies" is the best argument proffered so far to not be concerned about mass importation and resulting non-assimilation of Muslims from terrorist hotbeds. :lol:
I thought you were pretty fundy Christian?
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
would be pretty easy actually
well i for one would be interested in hearing the explanation.
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Worth noting that the French sent us that statue with this phrase emblazoned upon it. Then they sent us a bunch of poors. Now they're sending us their terrorists. :runaway:
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
would be pretty easy actually
well i for one would be interested in hearing the explanation.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to take in refugees.
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
would be pretty easy actually
well i for one would be interested in hearing the explanation.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to take in refugees.
You don't have to, but the consequence is pretty clear....
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f “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
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He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’
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Then the righteous* will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
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i And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’
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Matthew 25:31-41
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How could a christian reconcile his or her faith with turning refugees away?
would be pretty easy actually
well i for one would be interested in hearing the explanation.
You can be generous and cautious at the same time? :dunno: I mean what is your standard? Am I not a good Christian is I don't volunteer to host a Syrian family in my home? If I don't sell my home and donate the proceeds to Syrian refugees? It's a stupid discussion.
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Again, those of you that would strong arm your will through your interpretation of someone else's religion...you are assholes.
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Again, those of you that would strong arm your will through your interpretation of someone else's religion...you are assholes.
Call out by name whoever you're mad at because I see no one doing this other than in mocking form.
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I don't really think it is something to mock. As a Christian, I am getting seriously microaggressioned ITT.
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Well if you want to call yourself a Christian but be a terrible person then prepare to be mocked - trim 316-17
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Sorry to backtrack from this amazing part of the discussion, but Deadspin had a good explanation of what happened in Turkey with their moment of silence. (hint, another piece that agrees with ednksu's position)
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724
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Sorry to backtrack from this amazing part of the discussion, but Deadspin had a good explanation of what happened in Turkey with their moment of silence. (hint, another piece that agrees with ednksu's position)
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724
I read the linked article so the rest of you don't have to. Here's the key takeaway:
The more important clarification the article makes is that the chants of “Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided” and the reported cries of “Allahu Akbar” were in no way meant to show support to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks. According to the writer, the former slogan is actually a common anti-terrorism chant expressing a sentiment that no matter what kind of attacks Turkey faces, it will remain as one. It too was chanted during the moment of silence after the Ankara bombings. As for “Allahu Akbar,” the article points to another popular chant that, while nationalistic in origin, has become a typical “Let’s Go Team!” type of thing.
:lol: If you really believe that, I mean, just :lol:
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Well if you want to call yourself a Christian but be a terrible person then prepare to be mocked - trim 316-17
trim 3:16 is "do whatever you want"
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Sorry to backtrack from this amazing part of the discussion, but Deadspin had a good explanation of what happened in Turkey with their moment of silence. (hint, another piece that agrees with ednksu's position)
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724
I read the linked article so the rest of you don't have to. Here's the key takeaway:
The more important clarification the article makes is that the chants of “Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided” and the reported cries of “Allahu Akbar” were in no way meant to show support to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks. According to the writer, the former slogan is actually a common anti-terrorism chant expressing a sentiment that no matter what kind of attacks Turkey faces, it will remain as one. It too was chanted during the moment of silence after the Ankara bombings. As for “Allahu Akbar,” the article points to another popular chant that, while nationalistic in origin, has become a typical “Let’s Go Team!” type of thing.
:lol: If you really believe that, I mean, just :lol:
The whole thing centers around their racist war against the Kurds and if you want to believe that rot gut explanation of chanting Allahu Akbar being anything else but appreciation for Allah's wrath against the Parisian's then you're just a whack-a-doodle, like edn.
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Well if you want to call yourself a Christian but be a terrible person then prepare to be mocked - trim 316-17
trim 3:16 is "do whatever you want"
3:17 - accept the consequences
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Sorry to backtrack from this amazing part of the discussion, but Deadspin had a good explanation of what happened in Turkey with their moment of silence. (hint, another piece that agrees with ednksu's position)
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724
I read the linked article so the rest of you don't have to. Here's the key takeaway:
The more important clarification the article makes is that the chants of “Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided” and the reported cries of “Allahu Akbar” were in no way meant to show support to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks. According to the writer, the former slogan is actually a common anti-terrorism chant expressing a sentiment that no matter what kind of attacks Turkey faces, it will remain as one. It too was chanted during the moment of silence after the Ankara bombings. As for “Allahu Akbar,” the article points to another popular chant that, while nationalistic in origin, has become a typical “Let’s Go Team!” type of thing.
:lol: If you really believe that, I mean, just :lol:
The whole thing centers around their racist war against the Kurds and if you want to believe that rot gut explanation of chanting Allahu Akbar being anything else but appreciation for Allah's wrath against the Parisian's then you're just a whack-a-doodle, like edn.
I love it when the neo right imposes their views on what other people are actually saying.
**I Need a safe space**
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Since we have this "SAFE Act of 2015" does this mean these governors will go back to their duly appointed powers and stop with the executive overreach?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h643
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Since we have this "SAFE Act of 2015" does this mean these governors will go back to their duly appointed powers and stop with the executive overreach?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h643
Did you read what you posted?
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Thought this was interesting: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/11/17/president-obamas-cynical-refugee-ploy/
The refugees in question make up one fourth of one percent of all Syrian refugees.
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Sorry to backtrack from this amazing part of the discussion, but Deadspin had a good explanation of what happened in Turkey with their moment of silence. (hint, another piece that agrees with ednksu's position)
http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724
I read the linked article so the rest of you don't have to. Here's the key takeaway:
The more important clarification the article makes is that the chants of “Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided” and the reported cries of “Allahu Akbar” were in no way meant to show support to the perpetrators of the Paris attacks. According to the writer, the former slogan is actually a common anti-terrorism chant expressing a sentiment that no matter what kind of attacks Turkey faces, it will remain as one. It too was chanted during the moment of silence after the Ankara bombings. As for “Allahu Akbar,” the article points to another popular chant that, while nationalistic in origin, has become a typical “Let’s Go Team!” type of thing.
:lol: If you really believe that, I mean, just :lol:
The whole thing centers around their racist war against the Kurds and if you want to believe that rot gut explanation of chanting Allahu Akbar being anything else but appreciation for Allah's wrath against the Parisian's then you're just a whack-a-doodle, like edn.
I love it when the neo right imposes their views on what other people are actually saying.
**I Need a safe space**
NeoRight? Really? You're an incredible dumbass.
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Since we have this "SAFE Act of 2015" does this mean these governors will go back to their duly appointed powers and stop with the executive overreach?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/h643
Did you read what you posted?
somehow I don't think you did....
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I just mean we dont "have" it yet
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I just mean we dont "have" it yet
fair point, and it's possible people could flip before the override. But it's shocking how fast reps have abandoned American principles.