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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article12967259.html
Why did Jevon make you mad?
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oscar's mismanagement of player relations is disgusting and reason enough to warrant his job this year a failure. Add in the losses, which stem from it, and he's been abysmal.
He should be fired for anything short of a lock NCAA season next year.
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oscar's mismanagement of player relations is disgusting and reason enough to warrant his job this year a failure. Add in the losses, which stem from it, and he's been abysmal.
He should be fired for anything short of a lock NCAA season next year.
Yep.
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Talk more crap on Wisconsin, oscar.
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Talk more crap on Wisconsin, oscar.
yeah, I found that hilarious.
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He really cant help himself
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legit question: what accountability, if any, rests with the players?
i'm so tired of the blame-the-coach mentality anytime a player screws up. this isn't just at k-state, it's everywhere. tom crean had to deal with a situation earlier this year in which his players were running each other over with cars while screwing around drunk in a parking lot. rick pitino and coach K had aggressive predators on their rosters who have since been dismissed. countless other coaches have had to suspend players for violating team rules, poor academics, taking impermissible benefits, etc. - and the number is closer to 100 than a dozen.
bob huggins suspended team leader and future NBA'er cartier martin for violating team rules, and dismissed mario taybron from the team entirely in his only year at k-state.
frank martin dealt with player suspensions at k-state (jamar samuels, jacob pullen and curtis kelly were all suspended), and also now at south carolina, where he suspended two players for the season earlier this year.
i get the frustration, but blaming oscar for every player transgression is stupid.
EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games? :frown:
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we bitched constantly about frank doing stuff like this too fwiw. Search jamar and marfan.
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we bitched constantly about frank doing stuff like this too fwiw. Search jamar and marfan.
oh, i thought you guys blamed currie for most of this?
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you didnt search jamar and marfan did you, jerk.
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like, martin won more and stuff while doing all of that.
but I personally know I bitched about frank's frankings and eye hernias and stuff.
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I don't think Frank ever kicked someone off the team but forgot to tell the player
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hypothetically, if oscar used terrible language in the texas game and was suspended for the big 12 tourney by currie, would you direct your anger at oscar or currie? for the sake of argument, let's also assume that oscar coaching gives k-state the best chance to win.
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hypothetically, if oscar used terrible language in the texas game and was suspended for the big 12 tourney by currie, would you direct your anger at oscar or currie? for the sake of argument, let's also assume that oscar coaching gives k-state the best chance to win.
Currie
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legit question: what accountability, if any, rests with the players?
i'm so tired of the blame-the-coach mentality anytime a player screws up. this isn't just at k-state, it's everywhere. tom crean had to deal with a situation earlier this year in which his players were running each other over with cars while screwing around drunk in a parking lot. rick pitino and coach K had aggressive predators on their rosters who have since been dismissed. countless other coaches have had to suspend players for violating team rules, poor academics, taking impermissible benefits, etc. - and the number is closer to 100 than a dozen.
bob huggins suspended team leader and future NBA'er cartier martin for violating team rules, and dismissed mario taybron from the team entirely in his only year at k-state.
frank martin dealt with player suspensions at k-state (jamar samuels, jacob pullen and curtis kelly were all suspended), and also now at south carolina, where he suspended two players for the season earlier this year.
i get the frustration, but blaming oscar for every player transgression is stupid.
EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games? :frown:
Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.
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oscar has had a bad season and does not have K-State values. If he's going to continue to have bad seasons yet not do things the K-State way, he needs to be fired.
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I don't think Frank ever kicked someone off the team but forgot to tell the player
he didn't forget, he didn't want to confront him so he used Kellis to do it.
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hypothetically, if oscar used terrible language in the texas game and was suspended for the big 12 tourney by currie, would you direct your anger at oscar or currie? for the sake of argument, let's also assume that oscar coaching gives k-state the best chance to win.
Currie
i would have guessed both. :D
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Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.
i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.
as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."
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hypothetically, if oscar used terrible language in the texas game and was suspended for the big 12 tourney by currie, would you direct your anger at oscar or currie? for the sake of argument, let's also assume that oscar coaching gives k-state the best chance to win.
Currie
i would have guessed both. :D
Top down approach bro
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Currie suspending Weber for language would be an all timer of WTF
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Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.
i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.
as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."
oscar was anything but transparent about Foster, now why publicly announce you threw your point guard off the team?
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devil's advorake
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I imagine in oscar's mind he communicated all that to jt, but jt didn't hear it the way that oscar intended. This is most likely because oscar spoke to him in run on sentences for 10 minutes without maintaining eye contact
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devil's advorake
it's a sad, pathetic existence.
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EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games? :frown:
also a lot of fans are kinda lukewarm to him or don't like him. being demonstrably good at your job and whether people like you are really important in determining how people will react to stuff you do (and/or stuff that happens around you).
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Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.
i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.
as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."
oscar was anything but transparent about Foster, now why publicly announce you threw your point guard off the team?
Yeah, this. It's about consistency. Since oscar doesn't have it, his players don't respect him and we are bad on the court.
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I imagine in oscar's mind he communicated all that to jt, but jt didn't hear it the way that oscar intended. This is most likely because oscar spoke to him in run on sentences for 10 minutes without maintaining eye contact
:)
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oscar is in charge of the basketball team, so when things go wrong with the basketball team, people blame him
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"At least seven"
Bless his heart
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Why do we have so many Izzos on here
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K-State Basketball is the best comedy story in all of mainstream media.
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EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games? :frown:
also a lot of fans are kinda lukewarm to him or don't like him. being demonstrably good at your job and whether people like you are really important in determining how people will react to stuff you do (and/or stuff that happens around you).
It's this. A terrible season combined with most fans not liking you in the first place because you were fired from your previous job and that you are kind of weird is a bad combination of things.
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His weird/awkward demeanor is one of my favorite things about him.
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His weird/awkward demeanor is one of my favorite things about him.
It's less endearing when we lose a lot.
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he basically can't win
The only thing I dug out of j rake that I agree with
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he basically can't win
The only thing I dug out of j rake that I agree with
He can win if he wins.
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he basically can't win
The only thing I dug out of j rake that I agree with
He can win if he wins.
I'm still stunned how people don't know this
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"At least seven"
Bless his heart
if you take one 8-10 team, you have to take them all. it's only fair.
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Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.
i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.
as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."
On the team, off the team, not with the team... It is just confusing. I think it is fair to assume everybody involved knows after coming to meeting that Jevon would be back on the team. Jevon has not started twice for being immature in prep. It happened again before Texas and the staff is try to make the statement to Jevon that it is the last time. It is just a misunderstanding of the whole on or off the team.
The problem with team is that they aren't inline in the first place and that goes on everybody involved. Something that oscar can't have happen next year or he is gone. When his teams are engaged they are good. The other thing that sucks about oscar is that his brand of basketball is kinda of boring.
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The problem with team is that they aren't inline in the first place and that goes on everybody involved.
yeah, agree.
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It seems unlikely that we'll be good next year unless we get a really good front court transfer and a really good PG transfer.
The core of players returning is decent, but we lack a significant interior presence and a PG who can run the offense and score.
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Based on an a+ source of what happened, a reasonable person would judge that jevon quit the team so his tweet is a little weird
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Interesting
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If true
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Based on an a+ source of what happened, a reasonable person would judge that jevon quit the team so his tweet is a little weird
pm plz
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
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Sounds like we have a combo of ppl who are poor at different things.
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oscar is such a fashionista.
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Maybe he'd play better in street clothes.
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
i'd like a video of this season's miscommunications.
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Street clothes are getting more and more causal these days.
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
i'd like a video of this season's miscommunications.
i would accept a xtranormal
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doesn't make sense, I don't buy it.
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bruced his damn self
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lol
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"street" clothes is just oscar's polite term for "black" clothes
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To show up in Street clothes is kind of a dumb thing to do when you know that we have already overbooked scholarships for 2015....
Plus with oscar's history of Brucings, I don't know why these guys don't come prepared and ready to play every game.
Guys I am really struggling..... I am worried that oscar's brand of discipline doesn't work at Kansas State University. :ohno:
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He's a terrible communicator. To think that his players aren't getting it should not be surprising
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To show up in Street clothes is kind of a dumb thing to do when you know that we have already overbooked scholarships for 2015....
Plus with oscar's history of Brucings, I don't know why these guys don't come prepared and ready to play every game.
Guys I am really struggling..... I am worried that oscar's brand of discipline doesn't work at Kansas State University. :ohno:
oscar's brand of anything doesn't work here.
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I think oscar is a nice high character guy and a pretty good coach. But, I've never like him as our coach. I think it's a terrible fit. oscar would be a great at a mid major, he's not a high major guy.
I don't think any of the players, students or fans (not tucks) would have any heartache over K-State and oscar parting ways. Perception is that oscar has no relationship with the players, and is proving to be a terrible communicator. Part of what made the whole Frank thing hard is that he started out having a good relationship with his players. Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.
Base on who we are losing and those who are likely to graduate. I don't see how oscar gets to the tourney next year unless the rest of the Big 12 is awful. So why wait to see if the blind squirrel can find one last nut, just can the guy already.
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
more specifically:
at practice on either thursday or friday, jevon made the decision that his knees hurt to much to practice and never changed out of his street clothes and just sat along the sideline. when oscar came out about 5 minutes before practice was to start he was like jevon why aren't you dressed, to which JT responded that his knees hurt and he wasn't going to practice. oscar said get dressed or leave. so jevon left.
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I think oscar is a nice high character guy
I don't.
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I think oscar is a nice high character guy
I don't.
Same. Unless the trainer said his knees are fine and won't get any more hurt by use. Otherwise, oscar sounds like a monster.
Side note: seems like JT's knees have been resting a lot lately, though.
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
more specifically:
at practice on either thursday or friday, jevon made the decision that his knees hurt to much to practice and never changed out of his street clothes and just sat along the sideline. when oscar came out about 5 minutes before practice was to start he was like jevon why aren't you dressed, to which JT responded that his knees hurt and he wasn't going to practice. oscar said get dressed or leave. so jevon left.
:frown: that Jevon missed the opportunity to say "BUT THESE HANDS" and do some work.
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JT is back. We also had a players only meeting. :runaway:
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JT is back. We also had a players only meeting. :runaway:
Pretty sure this happened last time right before a group meeting btwn players and Currie. :horrorsurprise:
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He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
more specifically:
at practice on either thursday or friday, jevon made the decision that his knees hurt to much to practice and never changed out of his street clothes and just sat along the sideline. when oscar came out about 5 minutes before practice was to start he was like jevon why aren't you dressed, to which JT responded that his knees hurt and he wasn't going to practice. oscar said get dressed or leave. so jevon left.
That's a great story. Good for you, JT.
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Knees are funny
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JT is back. We also had a players only meeting. :runaway:
:Wha:
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
I think he absolutely does. 100%
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
I think he absolutely does. 100%
Well, that's terrifying.
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Usually when coaches start making statements to justify their work when their teams aren't winning its because they are feeling some pressure. For all of oscar's quirks, he knows he has to win to keep his job. He's already been fired once, so he knows that it will happen again if he doesn't get things fixed, but he's still going to try to make some justification for what's happened this year. None of what he says is a complete surprise, its what struggling coaches do.
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen.”
I certainly can't remember a year where K-State basketball had this much internal drama. I don't think years like this are really all that common, oscar.
"I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together."
I guess if you consider having nobody quit the team during the middle of the year a success, then sure, why not. We're recruiting like at least two players will quit or be kicked off the team (most likely will be more than that), there were several suspensions during the year, and many incidents during games where it was quite obvious that lots of our players really just don't like each other very much.
"For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
Yeah, I guess all the first halves we failed to reach twenty points must fall under some other definition of "competing" that I'm unfamiliar with. We lost to Texas Southern, LBSU, and got blown out by the bottom two teams in our league. Hardly just a couple of bad second halves.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
But the teams never sucked.
Side note: I find comparisons of oscar to Frank more tiresome by the day. Not a jab at Rusty.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
I think Jevon is one of the guys on this team that would have taken well to Frank's coaching style. Both coaches have positives and negatives.
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
I think he absolutely does. 100%
I'd like to know the questions that prompted that answer. They may already be, but it would be nice if someone in the media would ask oscar the tough questions.
"What are you and the staff going to do to assure alumni and fans that this season's failure isn't going to be repeated." That kind of stuff. Of course, you can't just rail him in a media situation like K-State, but you can grill the guy after buttering him up a bit.
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
I think he absolutely does. 100%
I'd like to know the questions that prompted that answer. They may already be, but it would be nice if someone in the media would ask oscar the tough questions.
"What are you and the staff going to do to assure alumni and fans that this season's failure isn't going to be repeated." That kind of stuff. Of course, you can't just rail him in a media situation like K-State, but you can grill the guy after buttering him up a bit.
Pretty sure that's from the big 12 teleconference. You probably could've called in and asked whatever you wanted.
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“You’re going to have years like this where things happen,” he said. “It’s added up to no consistency and no continuity. It’s tough to deal with and crisis management is one of your hats you have to wear.
“I think our staff has done a great job of keeping our guys together. For the most part, of our 31 games, we’ve competed with everybody except for a couple of them when we didn’t have a good second half.”
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2015-03-09/weber-k-state-full-strength-big-12-tournament
Surely he doesn't believe that?
I think he absolutely does. 100%
I'd like to know the questions that prompted that answer. They may already be, but it would be nice if someone in the media would ask oscar the tough questions.
"What are you and the staff going to do to assure alumni and fans that this season's failure isn't going to be repeated." That kind of stuff. Of course, you can't just rail him in a media situation like K-State, but you can grill the guy after buttering him up a bit.
Pretty sure that's from the big 12 teleconference. You probably could've called in and asked whatever you wanted.
Who usually calls in to those things? Journos? Fans? I've only listened to a couple in my life.
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Who usually calls in to those things? Journos? Fans? I've only listened to a couple in my life.
Media types, but I'm not sure what's in place to prevent random heroes from entering the fray.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
If you say so.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
the only player I can remember that left midseason left because he literally could not run up the court, he was physically incapable
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
If you say so.
That's rusty being rusty. The only season that compares at all was 2009-10 when CK had two issues, Dillards and weedgate, but neither of those issues were internal team conflict like this team seems to have weekly. All of Frank's teams loved each other, it was their most endearing quality, outside of winning of course.
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Frank teams were as dramatic or more. Drama isn't limited to suspensions. Frank team drama is almost automatically more dramatic because it and we were relevant to college basketball, plus we'd eventually win out over the drama.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
the only player I can remember that left midseason left because he literally could not run up the court, he was physically incapable
Are you talking about Judge or Asprilla?
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
If you say so.
That's rusty being rusty. The only season that compares at all was 2009-10 when CK had two issues, Dillards and weedgate, but neither of those issues were internal team conflict like this team seems to have weekly. All of Frank's teams loved each other, it was their most endearing quality, outside of winning of course.
That season also had Asprilla leave mid-year, making it was way worse than this one. But yeah, Frank held it together, for the most part.
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
the only player I can remember that left midseason left because he literally could not run up the court, he was physically incapable
Are you talking about Judge or Asprilla?
Or Herrera?
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crap, did we lose Wally in 2010, too?
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
the only player I can remember that left midseason left because he literally could not run up the court, he was physically incapable
Are you talking about Judge or Asprilla?
Asprilla was the only one out of he, Judge, and Hererra that left mid-season, right?
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crap, did we lose Wally in 2010, too?
2011, so we had weedgate, Dillonsgate, asprilla and judge both leave mid season. Damn.
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Wally left midseason in 10-11
Abdul Herrera in 08-09
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Frank had way more dramatic years than this one.
Jevon would have been Frank'd by midseason.
the only player I can remember that left midseason left because he literally could not run up the court, he was physically incapable
Are you talking about Judge or Asprilla?
Asprilla was the only one out of he, Judge, and Hererra that left mid-season, right?
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Turmoil-at-Kansas-State-continues-with-Wally-Jud?urn=ncaab-314866
http://kansasstate.scout.com/story/826365-abdul-herrera-leaves-the-team
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Again though, when there was a player problem it was dealt with it didn't permeate all season and effect the entire team with the poison that this team seems to have. I'm sure winning is a large part of this equation but the bottom line is that something like this is a problem and it's happened more than once with this coach.
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A player leaving midseason is a problem solving itself, in its weird own way.
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That was the great thing about Frank's "Us vs The World" mentality. The team rarely had drama. Individuals would at times cause some problems, but they would be cut off from the media, and then quickly and quietly relocated at season's end. The core of the team was almost always thriving. There was always a unified front to show the public. AND despite all the turnover, the results continued to be very solid. This year's drama seems to occupy every nook and cranny of the program, and you have a head coach who is out in the media telling anybody who will listen that he has no rough ridin' idea how to deal with it, this stuff just magically happens and it will magically go away. It's a rough ridin' three ring circus.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
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Great additional info from actual insider steve dave
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
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Who usually calls in to those things? Journos? Fans? I've only listened to a couple in my life.
Media types, but I'm not sure what's in place to prevent random heroes from entering the fray.
I'm pretty sure Michael Honcho from the Kechi Times Gazette would love to call in if he could find the number/access code for this thing.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record. Like, winning is the biggest issue. Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record. Like, winning is the biggest issue. Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record. Like, winning is the biggest issue. Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.
i will add that i personally don't necessarily care about overall record. conference record and our finish is conference is what is important to me. 8th place in a 10 team league is ridiculous.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record. Like, winning is the biggest issue. Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.
Not M-N.
Coaches K worst team 2011-2012 (Kenpom 21) - 27-7/13-3/2nd in the ACC - lost the ACC regular season championship by one game to NORTH CAROLINA.
I linked it for you before.
Self dominates every rough ridin' year. Not even Cal and Roy can claim that. Hell even Krzyzewski has down years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Duke_Blue_Devils_men%27s_basketball_team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Duke_Blue_Devils_men%27s_basketball_team).
KU just gets better talent than them?
That's 22–11 (8–8) good for 6th in the ACC to go along with a first round flameout in the NCAAs. There was also 1995–96 at 18–13 (8–8) good for a 4th-place tie in the ACC and another first round exit. You're not right.
Team still finished 12th in Kenpom.
That rough ridin' guy.
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Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.
Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.
Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record. Like, winning is the biggest issue. Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.
Not M-N.
I disagree with like 95% of his opinions, so this is not surprising
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Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.
i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.
now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?
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Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.
i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.
now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?
You can still play hard and hate your head coach. They're not mutually exclusive.
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Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.
i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.
now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?
You can still play hard and hate your head coach. They're not mutually exclusive.
IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
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Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.
i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.
now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?
You can still play hard and hate your head coach. They're not mutually exclusive.
coaches and players getting along with each other is not a prerequisite for success. i can think of countless examples where a coach hated his players, and vice versa, and yet the team still won at a high level.
also, occasional dustups between coach and player - or even semi frequent ones - does not necessarily suggest that the relationship is broken beyond repair, or that there are internal problems, etc. this stuff happens all the time.
fans will never have a clear picture of what goes on behind the scenes at the programs they follow, which is why it's best to measure a coach on wins and losses. oscar didn't win enough this year, and if he doesn't win enough next year, there's a good chance he'll be looking for a new job.
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IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
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There is absolutely no doubt that wins or losses are what gets a hire/fire more than any other factor at high level anything.
There is no doubt that a coach that is hated or feared can also win. However, if a coach is going to go down that route and make that method his method, IMO, they need to have their crap together more than most. There is not room for any mistakes when everyone hates what you do but tolerates due to winnning. You have to win a lot and often for that to hold up. Especially in the modern game.
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IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
conversely, oscar may have also given one of the best motivational speeches of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
In all seriousness, as I've said many times, oscar seems like a guy who's goofed into every position he's gotten and doesn't really know why he's here. Like he doesn't really want to be a coach, it just sorta happened and gee here I am let's make the most of it.
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It would exhaust me to listen to him on a daily basis.
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really weak advorakeing on this page. The hallmark of a really good coach is his ability to keep his players focused and consistent when playing teams that don't have the prestige of a top 15 team. In that sense, oscar has completely failed this season.
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really weak advorakeing on this page. The hallmark of a really good coach is his ability to keep his players focused and consistent when playing teams that don't have the prestige of a top 15 team. In that sense, oscar has completely failed this season.
k-state hasn't stepped on the floor as a favorite in more than a month (nine games ago). when you have lesser players than the opponent, you will lose more often than you will win, regardless of being 'focused' or not.
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So if KSU has a talent level as low as Tech and TCU (hint: they don't), whose fault is that?
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So if KSU has a talent level as low as Tech and TCU (hint: they don't), whose fault is that?
when you're on tcu's floor, hate to tell you, but you're a worse team. when you're at home, you're a better team.
when you're on a neutral floor, it's closer to a toss up, which is why ksu will be a very modest (1-2 pt) favorite at most on wednesday.
i don't know why you'd think ksu will have better players than tcu going forward. they likely won't. tcu is a program on the rise and will likely surpass ksu in the very near future.
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The Wed game is going to be pretty interesting. Not a home game, low level opponent, game that basically means nothing. The kind of game that players play hard for either a coach or their seniors.
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If what you say is true (it isn't, you're equating Vegas lines as gospel when it comes to talent level and that's a red herring), whose fault is that? Isn't it the head coach's job to recruit the best talent to the program?
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If what you say is true (it isn't, you're equating Vegas lines as gospel when it comes to talent level and that's a red herring), whose fault is that? Isn't it the head coach's job to recruit the best talent to the program?
talent-wise, i don't think there's a tremendous difference between a team like k-state and tcu. kenpom actually rates tcu 59th and k-state 80th. and yet, oscar is 8-10 in the league while trent johnson is 4-14. in that respect, oscar hasn't done a bad job.
i agree that the talent (or lack of talent) in the program falls on oscar. but at the same time, i doubt many coaches would be able to recruit studs year after year to manhattan with little drop off along the way. you're almost always going to have down years.
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oh hey advorake is back with fresh hot takes of the can't recruit to mhk meme :party:
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lol nice avatar there centraltexascat
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You don't have to recruit a bunch of studs to be better than 80 in KP.
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lol nice avatar there centraltexascat
i'm going to get it stenciled so i can project it into the night sky for when the emaw world needs sys
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You don't have to recruit a bunch of studs to be better than 80 in KP.
yep, start scheduling more puds....wait
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
in the new big 12, k-state is likely going to be the 7th or 8th best team on a yearly basis, it is what it is. :frown:
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
in the new big 12, k-state is likely going to be the 7th or 8th best team on a yearly basis, it is what it is. :frown:
With a bad head coach, sure.
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
in the new big 12, k-state is likely going to be the 7th or 8th best team on a yearly basis, it is what it is. :frown:
it wont be because of a lack of talent.
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
in the new big 12, k-state is likely going to be the 7th or 8th best team on a yearly basis, it is what it is. :frown:
it wont be because of a lock of talent.
:D
well that was a quick edit
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If only we had the players that Valpo/Green Bay/Rhode Island/Buffalo/Temple/Richmond had, then we could really be good. Poor little Manhattan, can't compete with the blue bloods on the recruiting trail.
in the new big 12, k-state is likely going to be the 7th or 8th best team on a yearly basis, it is what it is. :frown:
it wont be because of a lock of talent.
:D
no idea what youre talking about
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:block:
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k
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j rake is building a very compelling argument for firing oscar right now. Too bad he's preaching to the choir, though. He should give this info to Currie.
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the 8-10 vs 4-14 is due primarily to 2 things:
1) Seniors in Gip and Nino that have experienced wining and expect to win
2) An actual home court advantage
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the 8-10 vs 4-14 is due primarily to 2 things:
1) Seniors in Gip and Nino that have experienced wining and expect to win
2) An actual home court advantage
#2 is the big one.
if the fans continue to support the team, i actually think oscar will be fine. the guy has been dominant at home, even this year, his worst team up against the best opponents the big 12 has ever had. in three years, oscar is 8-1, 8-1 and 7-2 at home. that's 23-4 at home. that's incredible. when you're that good at home, you can afford to be way below average on the road (3-6 yearly) and still make the ncaa tourney regularly.
i would strongly suggest oscar stop scheduling hard non-con games away from home in the future. there will be plenty of opportunities to get quality wins in league play under the current scheduling format, and with the league's quality being where it is.
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poor communication skills
all of this is bc of poor communication skills
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IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
conversely, oscar may have also given one of the best motivational speeches of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhDZxHFWgc
In all seriousness, as I've said many times, oscar seems like a guy who's goofed into every position he's gotten and doesn't really know why he's here. Like he doesn't really want to be a coach, it just sorta happened and gee here I am let's make the most of it.
It's in the comments section, but honestly it really does look like a player drinks from a flask at the end of michcat's clip.
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IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
frankmartinisadouche6 years agoin reply to askfalcons
'97 Kansas would have beaten them.
:lol:
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IMO, players get up for big games. Coaches get players up for the other games.
oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yUrVJniqk
coach k uses that fist analogy too
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpayload2.cargocollective.com%2F1%2F4%2F146258%2F2354208%2F1.jpg&hash=768c6db11c5ce1bf98edf396ab717a60738e1d52)
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his worst team up against the best opponents the big 12 has ever had.
this is not true, or at least it's very debatable. the conference had a stronger overall kenpom in 2010. in almost every other year there was a much stronger team than any team this year (ku). in many years, the top two were significantly better.
it was arguably easier to beat the top two teams at home this year than it has been in most years. 2013 and 2014 were also on the easier end of the scale for recent history, 2014 about as easy as it has ever been in big 12 history.
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his worst team up against the best opponents the big 12 has ever had.
this is not true, or at least it's very debatable. the conference had a stronger overall kenpom in 2010. in almost every other year there was a much stronger team than any team this year (ku). in many years, the top two were significantly better.
it was arguably easier to beat the top two teams at home this year than it has been in most years. 2013 and 2014 were also on the easier end of the scale for recent history, 2014 about as easy as it has ever been in big 12 history.
Also likely the most difficult year to win on the road at the bottom 3.
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my god that 2008 ku team. holy eff. in kenpom history (2002-2015), it's 2015 uk #1, 2008 ku #2. and 2015 uk's kenpom could still drop before the year closes.
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Also likely the most difficult year to win on the road at the bottom 3.
that's true.
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Lacking ability to get quality wins has never been a problem for oscar.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article13272695.html
Good with someone else’s players, not good with his own.
“A little bit, yeah,” Weber says when asked if that part bothers him. “As a coach, every person, you have pride. The thing that bothers me the most is I went to (Southern Illinois) and the program was in really bad shape. And my guys went to the Sweet 16, won (two) straight Missouri Valley championships, and every kid got a degree. That was with my guys. And even at Illinois, we had a pretty good nine-year run.”
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He knows he got fired at Illinois, right?
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article13272695.html
Good with someone else’s players, not good with his own.
“The thing that bothers me the most is I went to (Southern Illinois) and the program was in really bad shape.
the absolute best thing about this quote is that southern illinois had an 8th place finish with a 8-10 conference record the year before he showed up.
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The definition of insanity.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12455776
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I hate how often he talks about players needing to be "special." I wish we had good enough players so that certain didn't individuals didn't have to play out of their minds for us to have a chance to win.
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the absolute best thing about this quote is that southern illinois had an 8th place finish with a 8-10 conference record the year before he showed up.
lol.
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let the exbruces start
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"well in hindsight we probably should have raised the wal-mart goal to 10' but i wanted to see how guys like justin and brian would react to the adversity. I really wish the big 12 would have let us practice outside since it's so nice out. I'll take the blame here" -oscar Weber
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article13272695.html
Good with someone else’s players, not good with his own.
“The thing that bothers me the most is I went to (Southern Illinois) and the program was in really bad shape.
the absolute best thing about this quote is that southern illinois had an 8th place finish with a 8-10 conference record the year before he showed up.
yeah, especially combined with the C+ grade he assigned himself.
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That's a sweet setup fwiw.
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I'm going to walk over there and get my Starbucks and throw down a ferocious dunk
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is that in the 2nd floor of the Westin lobby?
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Lowery is doing the postgame with Wyatt. Wonder what oscar would have said?
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Maybe Currie pulled him into another room and is Woolying him?
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Wyatt asked Lowery if he expected roster turnover. Lowery said the key to success is to buy in.
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Maybe Currie pulled him into another room and is Woolying him?
:crossfingers:
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So, players leaving and oscar is a coward
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Wyatt asked Lowery if he expected roster turnover. Lowery said the key to success is to buy in.
that is great reporting by bones129. prospective journalos could learn a great deal by studying posts like this.
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Wyatt asked Lowery if he expected roster turnover. Lowery said the key to success is to buy in.
that is great reporting by bones129. prospective journalos could learn a great deal by studying posts like this.
Sometimes you have to let the question and the answer speak for themselves.
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Wyatt asked Lowery if he expected roster turnover. Lowery said the key to success is to buy in.
Worked out well for the Nazis.
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So how many players leave the team this year not including Nino and Gip? I say at least three.
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So how many players leave the team this year not including Nino and Gip? I say at least three.
All or none, I hope.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Frank: Buy in or quit
oscar: Buy in or I'll whine about you to everyone
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When oscar was asked what he attributed our inconsistency to this year, he cited all the injuries we had, apparently it really affected our depth. I'm so rough ridin' done with that dude. Also, listening to Wyatt and Stan campaign for oscar and straight up lay every ounce of blame on the players was pretty hard to listen to. This is not going to end well for oscar or us I'm afraid.
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sad, really (really)
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I think our crap head selfish players deserve a lot of the blame for how bad this season was. We're clearly good enough to beat good teams. Often the effort was pathetic.
That said, it's oscar's job to not let hat happen and not recruit guys who don't play hard.
If I were assigning blame I'd probably go:
37% Players
35% oscar and Co
10% crap luck, injuries, etc?
16% big 12 refs suck
2% Eb Williams
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I think our crap head selfish players deserve a lot of the blame for how bad this season was. We're clearly good enough to beat good teams. Often the effort was pathetic.
That said, it's oscar's job to not let hat happen and not recruit guys who don't play hard.
If I were assigning blame I'd probably go:
37% Players
35% oscar and Co
10% crap luck, injuries, etc?
16% big 12 refs suck
2% Eb Williams
Very wonky post
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I mean, I agree with the Eb Williams part, but 16% on B12RS is way too high.
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It's not in the nature of 19 year olds to work super hard all the time, it's the coach's job to convince them to do that. If you have a complaint about the effort, then the coach is to blame.
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The percentages add up to 100% so that is something.
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It's not in the nature of 19 year olds to work super hard all the time, it's the coach's job to convince them to do that. If you have a complaint about the effort, then the coach is to blame.
I bet you never played sports games competitively, because that is bullshit.
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I think our crap head selfish players deserve a lot of the blame for how bad this season was. We're clearly good enough to beat good teams. Often the effort was pathetic.
That said, it's oscar's job to not let hat happen and not recruit guys who don't play hard.
If I were assigning blame I'd probably go:
37% Players
35% oscar and Co
10% crap luck, injuries, etc?
16% big 12 refs suck
2% Eb Williams
Very wonky post
I know you're really stupid, and I wish I could do something about that, but the point is everyone is a little responsible for this failure of a season, not one or two individuals.
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I think our crap head selfish players deserve a lot of the blame for how bad this season was. We're clearly good enough to beat good teams. Often the effort was pathetic.
That said, it's oscar's job to not let hat happen and not recruit guys who don't play hard.
If I were assigning blame I'd probably go:
37% Players
35% oscar and Co
10% crap luck, injuries, etc?
16% big 12 refs suck
2% Eb Williams
Very wonky post
I know you're really stupid, and I wish I could do something about that, but the point is everyone is a little responsible for this failure of a season, not one or two individuals.
Oh, no crap?
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Hey cracker, is wonky racist for honky?
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:lol:
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wow, rusty has now been called the n-word and the c-word on here.
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I think fsd is pretty close, I'd raise coaching but the players were awfully soft tonight so maybe not.
Lotta people taking pit anger out on fsd here.
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which players looked "soft "
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It's not in the nature of 19 year olds to work super hard all the time, it's the coach's job to convince them to do that. If you have a complaint about the effort, then the coach is to blame.
I bet you never played sports games competitively, because that is bullshit.
Kids haven't changed, we've changed.
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I think fsd is pretty close, I'd raise coaching but the players were awfully soft tonight so maybe not.
Lotta people taking pit anger out on fsd here.
they're his players. if 98% of the blame is the inadequate competitive spirit of the players, that's 98% weber's fault.
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Kids haven't changed, we've changed.
playing hard is a learned skill.
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Kids haven't changed, we've changed.
playing hard is a learned skill.
That's true, dumbass FSD doesn't understand that. What a dumb dumb.
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Your respective tenures on the jv cross country team do not qualify you to opine on competition in team sports. Calling 20-year old men "kids" is asinine. You don't just wander into the high major level and then learn to play hard. Saying such is disservice to 99% of the kids playing at that level.
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Your respective tenures on the jv cross country team do not qualify you to opine on competition in team sports. Calling 20-year old men "kids" is asinine. You don't just wander into the high major level and then learn to play hard. Saying such is disservice to 99% of the kids playing at that level.
The teams I played on, I wouldn't say the high major talent were always the hardest working dudes on the team. In most cases they were on the other end of the spectrum. They didn't have to work all that hard, because they were much more talented than the competition.
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Oh my god. It's one of these people.
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Basically every college freshman talks about how the biggest transition from HS to college is 1) speed/physicality of the game 2) the effort it takes to be successful. This really shouldn't be all that controversial.
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I think fsd is pretty close, I'd raise coaching but the players were awfully soft tonight so maybe not.
Lotta people taking pit anger out on fsd here.
they're his players. if 98% of the blame is the inadequate competitive spirit of the players, that's 98% weber's fault.
Maybe not 98%, but surely at least 90%. When it comes to motivational skills, oscar clearly doesn't have the corner on the market. Either that, or he can't recognize talented slackers when he recruits them.
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You tards realize we basically have the same players from last year's team right?
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You tards realize we basically have the same players from last year's team right?
I was v. concerned with our effort last year as well, very up and down. Marcus Foster unexpectedly exploding onto the scene was the only reason that last year wasn't exactly like this year.
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Basically every college freshman talks about how the biggest transition from HS to college is 1) speed/physicality of the game 2) the effort it takes to be successful. This really shouldn't be all that controversial.
Not sure I've ever heard 2. A third would be the increase in competition. Don't really want to get into a player quote cliche anecdote competition.
I mean, what do you expect them to say? The free shoes or having to remember to wear the right color jersey? All the food options at the training table buffet?
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fitz is such a piece, literally included everything we have said from the rough ridin' beginning, as if it came to him as all original ideas
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1745772
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Basically every college freshman talks about how the biggest transition from HS to college is 1) speed/physicality of the game 2) the effort it takes to be successful. This really shouldn't be all that controversial.
Not sure I've ever heard 2. A third would be the increase in competition. Don't really want to get into a player quote cliche anecdote competition.
I mean, what do you expect them to say? The free shoes or having to remember to wear the right color jersey? All the food options at the training table buffet?
You're a rough ridin' liar. A real Tom Izzo, as it were.
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fitz is such a piece, literally included everything we have said from the rough ridin' beginning, as if it came to him as all original ideas
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1745772
I like how he acts like Marcus Foster is the only one that ever stands around on offense. Um, that's like everybody, probably on more than half of our possessions.
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:popcorn:
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fitz is such a piece, literally included everything we have said from the rough ridin' beginning, as if it came to him as all original ideas
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1745772
I like how he acts like Marcus Foster is the only one that ever stands around on offense. Um, that's like everybody, probably on more than half of our possessions.
non-motion offense, amiright!?
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Tell us, oscar, why you think you're qualified to coach this team.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2D3cuhZuAM
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oscar is our disaster.
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http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/entitled-immature-and-outhustled-kansas-state-wildcats-season-ends-it-began-031115 (http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/entitled-immature-and-outhustled-kansas-state-wildcats-season-ends-it-began-031115)
This is an interesting article. Wish oscar did a better job getting everyones mind right. But somethings are out of your control. Hard to tell were the fault belongs. We will not have closer on this year on till next. If our current troubles carry over it can go completely on the coaching staff.
I don't think Nino and Marcus like each other, but I am just spit balling. That could have caused a lot of issues.
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http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/2015hoops/031115-KansasState.pdf
:lol:
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http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/2015hoops/031115-KansasState.pdf
:lol:
what a treasure trove of oscar.
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I'd like to follow fitz around and scare him with firecrackers until he has a massive heart attack
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jesus rough ridin' Christ.
Probably overscheduled, but that's my fault.
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its been mentioned and even by oscar but holy hell at his time out use, its kin to our delay of games in football. so god damn frustrating
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fitz is such a piece, literally included everything we have said from the rough ridin' beginning, as if it came to him as all original ideas
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1745772
I like how he acts like Marcus Foster is the only one that ever stands around on offense. Um, that's like everybody, probably on more than half of our possessions.
non-motion offense, amiright!?
Exactly. Why move away from the ball if you're going to be doubled. Your the best shooter on the team and your coach refuses to call any screens to get you open. Also, never runs any type of two man game to exploit the double team and get your best post scoring option a cleaner shot.
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http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/entitled-immature-and-outhustled-kansas-state-wildcats-season-ends-it-began-031115 (http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/entitled-immature-and-outhustled-kansas-state-wildcats-season-ends-it-began-031115)
This is an interesting article. Wish oscar did a better job getting everyones mind right. But somethings are out of your control. Hard to tell were the fault belongs. We will not have closer on this year on till next. If our current troubles carry over it can go completely on the coaching staff.
I don't think Nino and Marcus like each other, but I am just spit balling. That could have caused a lot of issues.
You coming back, Wesley?
"Yeah, I'm definitely coming back next year," the sophomore forward replied, "so there's no other options for me. I chose K-State for four years, so I guess this is where I want to be."
That's the kind of enthusiasm we need!
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its been mentioned and even by oscar but holy hell at his time out use, its kin to our delay of games in football. so god damn frustrating
That seems pretty extreme.
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its been mentioned and even by oscar but holy hell at his time out use, its kin to our delay of games in football. so god damn frustrating
That seems pretty extreme.
thats me wacky, extreme to the max
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wow, rusty has now been called the n-word and the c-word on here.
yeah, that's pretty amaze
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I enjoy oscar having a difficult time getting his players to buy in for an entire season, and basically Frank had a buy in or quit moment mid season and went to the elite 8.
p.s. This isn’t a “frank is great” post, it’s just to highlight how ineffective oscar was.
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:dunno:I'm thinking oscar in parodying #oscar from parodying oscar.
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http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/2015hoops/031115-KansasState.pdf
:lol:
what a treasure trove of oscar.
The fact that he thought Edwards would be an effective three point shooter was great.
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I enjoy oscar having a difficult time getting his players to buy in for an entire season, and basically Frank had a buy in or quit moment mid season and went to the elite 8.
p.s. This isn’t a “frank is great” post, it’s just to highlight how ineffective oscar was.
Brad thou.
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http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/2015hoops/031115-KansasState.pdf
:lol:
what a treasure trove of oscar.
The fact that he thought Edwards would be an effective three point shooter was great.
Maybe oscar is dyslexic?
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Our guys fought vibrantly
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Our guys fought vibrantly
Yes. That's an avid thing to say.
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Our guys fought vibrantly
He's trying to separate from #oscar's word cloud.
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2015-16 Team slogan
you comin' back?
"That's the plan for right now." - Marcus Foster
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"I guess this is where I want to be." -Westicles
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http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/championships/2015hoops/031115-KansasState.pdf
:lol:
what a treasure trove of oscar.
The fact that he thought Edwards would be an effective three point shooter was great.
Shot .341% in conference play. :dunno: Seemed to be our best threat considering Foster complete lost his touch closing out the season.