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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2015, 02:39:18 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

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« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2015, 02:41:53 PM »
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« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2015, 02:47:02 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

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« Reply #103 on: March 09, 2015, 02:53:00 PM »
Who usually calls in to those things? Journos? Fans? I've only listened to a couple in my life.

Media types, but I'm not sure what's in place to prevent random heroes from entering the fray.

I'm pretty sure Michael Honcho from the Kechi Times Gazette would love to call in if he could find the number/access code for this thing.
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« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2015, 02:55:04 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record.  Like, winning is the biggest issue.  Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.

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« Reply #105 on: March 09, 2015, 02:59:50 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record.  Like, winning is the biggest issue.  Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
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« Reply #106 on: March 09, 2015, 03:13:21 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record.  Like, winning is the biggest issue.  Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.

i will add that i personally don't necessarily care about overall record. conference record and our finish is conference is what is important to me. 8th place in a 10 team league is ridiculous.

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« Reply #107 on: March 09, 2015, 03:16:27 PM »
Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record.  Like, winning is the biggest issue.  Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
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That's 22–11 (8–8) good for 6th in the ACC to go along with a first round flameout in the NCAAs.  There was also 1995–96 at 18–13 (8–8) good for a 4th-place tie in the ACC and another first round exit.  You're not right.

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« Reply #108 on: March 09, 2015, 03:20:15 PM »


Most of what he said was honest. If he found a way to win 5 more games the pill is easier to swallow. If this season comes a pattern it is a major problem. If not whatever.

Jesus. You mean if we were 20-11 with effectvely no real bad losses? My god. I mean, if germany didn't invade all those countries, WW II wouldn't have been so bad.

I have a bigger issue with the mess of personal issues than the record. If we are 20-11 next year but maintain the off the court issues, I would hope oscar gets fired. It would be a strong sign he can't have success.

Maybe it's just me, but all I care about is the record.  Like, winning is the biggest issue.  Sucess isn't a formula, it is a result.
It's not you, it's most of us.

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« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2015, 03:21:10 PM »
Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.

i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.

now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?

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« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2015, 03:26:33 PM »
Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.

i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.

now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?

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« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2015, 03:39:46 PM »
Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.

i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.

now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?

You can still play hard and hate your head coach. They're not mutually exclusive.

IMO, players get up for big games.  Coaches get players up for the other games.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #112 on: March 09, 2015, 03:41:59 PM »
Despite his antics they still want to play for him until it all hit the fan. Now, I think everyone is just done with oscar. Players, students, and fans are all done done with oscar.

i heard this talking point in the day or two leading up to the ku game. then k-state played about as hard as any k-state team i've ever seen. later that same week, they again played hard and beat iowa state. that was two top-10 level teams they beat in a week.

now, fittingly after a disappointing loss at texas, the players are done with him again. play the result much?

You can still play hard and hate your head coach. They're not mutually exclusive.

coaches and players getting along with each other is not a prerequisite for success. i can think of countless examples where a coach hated his players, and vice versa, and yet the team still won at a high level.

also, occasional dustups between coach and player - or even semi frequent ones - does not necessarily suggest that the relationship is broken beyond repair, or that there are internal problems, etc. this stuff happens all the time.

fans will never have a clear picture of what goes on behind the scenes at the programs they follow, which is why it's best to measure a coach on wins and losses. oscar didn't win enough this year, and if he doesn't win enough next year, there's a good chance he'll be looking for a new job.

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« Reply #113 on: March 09, 2015, 03:45:17 PM »
IMO, players get up for big games.  Coaches get players up for the other games.

oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.



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« Reply #114 on: March 09, 2015, 03:45:58 PM »
There is absolutely no doubt that wins or losses are what gets a hire/fire more than any other factor at high level anything. 

There is no doubt that a coach that is hated or feared can also win.  However, if a coach is going to go down that route and make that method his method, IMO, they need to have their crap together more than most.  There is not room for any mistakes when everyone hates what you do but tolerates due to winnning.  You have to win a lot and often for that to hold up.  Especially in the modern game.


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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #115 on: March 09, 2015, 03:51:04 PM »
IMO, players get up for big games.  Coaches get players up for the other games.

oscar seems to have almost zero motivational skills. his pregame speech prior to the '05 national title game will go down as one of the worst in history.




conversely, oscar may have also given one of the best motivational speeches of all time



In all seriousness, as I've said many times, oscar seems like a guy who's goofed into every position he's gotten and doesn't really know why he's here. Like he doesn't really want to be a coach, it just sorta happened and gee here I am let's make the most of it.

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« Reply #116 on: March 09, 2015, 03:53:04 PM »
It would exhaust me to listen to him on a daily basis.   


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« Reply #117 on: March 09, 2015, 03:55:11 PM »
really weak advorakeing on this page. The hallmark of a really good coach is his ability to keep his players focused and consistent when playing teams that don't have the prestige of a top 15 team. In that sense, oscar has completely failed this season.

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« Reply #118 on: March 09, 2015, 03:59:02 PM »
really weak advorakeing on this page. The hallmark of a really good coach is his ability to keep his players focused and consistent when playing teams that don't have the prestige of a top 15 team. In that sense, oscar has completely failed this season.

k-state hasn't stepped on the floor as a favorite in more than a month (nine games ago). when you have lesser players than the opponent, you will lose more often than you will win, regardless of being 'focused' or not.

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« Reply #119 on: March 09, 2015, 04:01:10 PM »
So if KSU has a talent level as low as Tech and TCU (hint: they don't), whose fault is that?

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« Reply #120 on: March 09, 2015, 04:04:40 PM »
So if KSU has a talent level as low as Tech and TCU (hint: they don't), whose fault is that?

when you're on tcu's floor, hate to tell you, but you're a worse team. when you're at home, you're a better team.

when you're on a neutral floor, it's closer to a toss up, which is why ksu will be a very modest (1-2 pt) favorite at most on wednesday.

i don't know why you'd think ksu will have better players than tcu going forward. they likely won't. tcu is a program on the rise and will likely surpass ksu in the very near future.

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« Reply #121 on: March 09, 2015, 04:07:42 PM »
The Wed game is going to be pretty interesting.  Not a home game, low level opponent, game that basically means nothing.  The kind of game that players play hard for either a coach or their seniors. 

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« Reply #122 on: March 09, 2015, 04:07:50 PM »
If what you say is true (it isn't, you're equating Vegas lines as gospel when it comes to talent level and that's a red herring), whose fault is that? Isn't it the head coach's job to recruit the best talent to the program?

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« Reply #123 on: March 09, 2015, 04:13:58 PM »
If what you say is true (it isn't, you're equating Vegas lines as gospel when it comes to talent level and that's a red herring), whose fault is that? Isn't it the head coach's job to recruit the best talent to the program?

talent-wise, i don't think there's a tremendous difference between a team like k-state and tcu. kenpom actually rates tcu 59th and k-state 80th. and yet, oscar is 8-10 in the league while trent johnson is 4-14. in that respect, oscar hasn't done a bad job.

i agree that the talent (or lack of talent) in the program falls on oscar. but at the same time, i doubt many coaches would be able to recruit studs year after year to manhattan with little drop off along the way. you're almost always going to have down years.

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« Reply #124 on: March 09, 2015, 04:15:06 PM »
oh hey advorake is back with fresh hot takes of the can't recruit to mhk meme :party: