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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2015, 11:35:00 AM »
EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games?  :frown:

also a lot of fans are kinda lukewarm to him or don't like him.  being demonstrably good at your job and whether people like you are really important in determining how people will react to stuff you do (and/or stuff that happens around you).
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2015, 11:42:39 AM »
Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.

i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.

as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."

oscar was anything but transparent about Foster,  now why publicly announce you threw your point guard off the team?

Yeah, this. It's about consistency. Since oscar doesn't have it, his players don't respect him and we are bad on the court.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 11:43:53 AM »
I imagine in oscar's mind he communicated all that to jt, but jt didn't hear it the way that oscar intended.  This is most likely because oscar spoke to him in run on sentences for 10 minutes without maintaining eye contact

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2015, 12:06:36 PM »
oscar is in charge of the basketball team, so when things go wrong with the basketball team, people blame him
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2015, 12:06:57 PM »
"At least seven"

Bless his heart

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2015, 12:18:20 PM »
Why do we have so many Izzos on here

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2015, 12:34:04 PM »
K-State Basketball is the best comedy story in all of mainstream media.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2015, 12:41:00 PM »

EDIT: i guess he'd get the benefit of the doubt if he could win more f'n games?  :frown:

also a lot of fans are kinda lukewarm to him or don't like him.  being demonstrably good at your job and whether people like you are really important in determining how people will react to stuff you do (and/or stuff that happens around you).

It's this. A terrible season combined with most fans not liking you in the first place because you were fired from your previous job and that you are kind of weird is a bad combination of things.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2015, 12:45:47 PM »
His weird/awkward demeanor is one of my favorite things about him.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2015, 12:55:46 PM »

His weird/awkward demeanor is one of my favorite things about him.

It's less endearing when we lose a lot.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2015, 01:00:46 PM »
he basically can't win

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2015, 01:01:41 PM »

he basically can't win

The only thing I dug out of j rake that I agree with

He can win if he wins.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2015, 01:15:28 PM »

he basically can't win

The only thing I dug out of j rake that I agree with

He can win if he wins.

I'm still stunned how people don't know this

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2015, 02:13:21 PM »
"At least seven"

Bless his heart

if you take one 8-10 team, you have to take them all.  it's only fair.
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2015, 02:50:46 PM »
Coaches aren't entirely responsible for player conduct, but they are responsible for how they discipline players and how they portray that discipline to the media. Jevon tweeted that he didn't even know he was off the team until oscar said it in post-game. Why would oscar say that in public at all? Did he just make that up on the spot? Why wasn't Jevon clear on his status? The point is oscar Weber is not good at managing people.

i haven't read all the details, but based on what you're saying re: thomas, it's hard to disagree. oscar should definitely have been more direct with him, assuming a) the two are on speaking terms, and b) thomas is being truthful.

as far as oscar publicly discussing the situation, he basically can't win there. if he says nothing and decides to keep things in house, he gets blasted for a lack of transparency and for hiding stuff. when he decides to give the media a peek behind the curtain, he gets criticized because he "shouldn't discuss internal matters publicly."

On the team, off the team, not with the team... It is just confusing. I think it is fair to assume everybody involved knows after coming to meeting that Jevon would be back on the team. Jevon has not started twice for being immature in prep. It happened again before Texas and the staff is try to make the statement to Jevon that it is the last time. It is just a misunderstanding of the whole on or off the team.

The problem with team is that they aren't inline in the first place and that goes on everybody involved. Something that oscar can't have happen next year or he is gone. When his teams are engaged they are good. The other thing that sucks about oscar is that his brand of basketball is kinda of boring.   

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2015, 03:04:16 PM »
The problem with team is that they aren't inline in the first place and that goes on everybody involved.

yeah, agree.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2015, 03:28:20 PM »
It seems unlikely that we'll be good next year unless we get a really good front court transfer and a really good PG transfer.

The core of players returning is decent, but we lack a significant interior presence and a PG who can run the offense and score.
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2015, 03:30:48 PM »
Based on an a+ source of what happened, a reasonable person would judge that jevon quit the team so his tweet is a little weird
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2015, 03:31:37 PM »
Interesting

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2015, 03:31:44 PM »
If true

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2015, 03:35:57 PM »
Based on an a+ source of what happened, a reasonable person would judge that jevon quit the team so his tweet is a little weird

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2015, 03:40:13 PM »
He showed up to practice in street clothes, oscar told him when he comes to practice he needs to be ready and appropriately dressed and to go change. Just walked away and went home instead.
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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2015, 03:42:45 PM »
Sounds like we have a combo of ppl who are poor at different things.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2015, 03:44:18 PM »
oscar is such a fashionista.

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Re: Tell us more, oscar
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2015, 03:45:03 PM »
Maybe he'd play better in street clothes.