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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Belvis Noland on January 31, 2013, 12:23:07 PM
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Interesting stuff over on GPC.
FITZ on Aggieville (can't believe I actually agree with this guy)
Re: Parking in Aggieville Reply
"As the President of the Aggieville Business Association I would like to say that Legore hit the nail on the head. Outside of Manhattan, Kansas, Aggieville is seen as the epicenter of MHK, where the city and campus meld together into one of the most unique business districts one will find in any college town. Within Manhattan, Aggieville is seen as a pox that must be tolerated. Right now, the city is helping downtown with its new street scaping, while mailing Aggieville letters stating that we must repair our own damn sidewalks. Somehow the city found a way to finance a parking garage that sits mostly empty next to a convention center downtown, but Aggieville will never get its own garage unless it finds a way to fund one itself. People don't realize that these lots at night and on the weekend are open to public parking. One of the things we want to work with the University on is signage informing people of this. Another goal is to work with the University (and city) on redesigning Triangle Park so it's more usable space (with a small band shell, better seating areas and use of limestone walls, paths). The land is actually owned by the University but maintained by the city. We would also like to rename this space Tex Winter Triangle Park."
Aggieville is a great idea. But, compared to other great mixed-use districts (6th Street and Pearl Street come to mind), Aggieville is prtty shitty. Signage is bad. Streetscape is horrible. Pedestrian experience is non-existant. No parking. This district could truly be incrediblde. As it is, it's decent - meh.
Other news from GPC...
"If you are out of town you might not have heard the following: 1) Civics Plus the local software co just broke ground on a new 5 story office building to be located where the current Manhattan Appliance store is located downtown close to the Hilton Garden.They will employ about 250. Ground floor will be retail and resstarauts. 2) the vacant lot on the north west side of the Hilton Garden Inn will have a new four story appartment building owned by Hilton 3) local developer just broke ground on a five story mixed use building directly across the street on east side of Hilton Garden Inn. Ground floor will be retail and restaraunts. Upper floors office and apartments. Also GTM announced a major expansion to their current location. Another local firm is about to announce a major expansion with several hundred new jobs . Good stuff"
link for the design plans for the aggieville hotel: http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/12558
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manhattan is no different than most college towns in that a good portion of the non-university resident tucks don't want anything to do with the university and it's kids. the bottom line is that when you get old, you get really rough ridin' dumb.
aggieville is in dire need of a face lift but i doubt that it will ever happen. i don't know if i agree that the district needs a parking garage though and really, i think they should close moro and remove the on-street parking within it.
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Everyone's solution to everything is always another parking garage. Have I ever not been able to find a parking spot? Nope. Just drive a block away and park on the street you lazy dorks.
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manhattan is no different than most college towns in that a good portion of the non-university resident tucks don't want anything to do with the university and it's kids. the bottom line is that when you get old, you get really rough ridin' dumb.
aggieville is in dire need of a face lift but i doubt that it will ever happen. i don't know if i agree that the district needs a parking garage though and really, i think they should close moro and remove the on-street parking within it.
Need to do it like Iowa City has things set up. The Ped Mall works pretty sweet and would allow for food vendors and stands to be set up in the middle.
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make a big lighted over hang like old town vegas
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manhattan is no different than most college towns in that a good portion of the non-university resident tucks don't want anything to do with the university and it's kids. the bottom line is that when you get old, you get really rough ridin' dumb.
aggieville is in dire need of a face lift but i doubt that it will ever happen. i don't know if i agree that the district needs a parking garage though and really, i think they should close moro and remove the on-street parking within it.
yeah, i really like the idea of closing the streets in Aggieville, will allow for better streetscape/landscaping, increase the pedestrian experience.
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manhattan is no different than most college towns in that a good portion of the non-university resident tucks don't want anything to do with the university and it's kids. the bottom line is that when you get old, you get really rough ridin' dumb.
aggieville is in dire need of a face lift but i doubt that it will ever happen. i don't know if i agree that the district needs a parking garage though and really, i think they should close moro and remove the on-street parking within it.
Moro should be pedestrian. No question.
Regarding the face lift, Manhattan should simply designate Aggieville as a community improvement district and impose a 1/2 or 1/8 cent sales tax. Use these funds for maintenance and improvements. Simple. http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_12/Article_6a/12-6a31.html
Then the olds won't have to worry about paying for anything out of the general fund. A district of the students, for the students, and paid for by the students.
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make a big lighted over hang like old town vegas
Add it to the varneys sign.
Also, people that dont use the parking lot by thompson hall are either lazy or Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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Aggieville has been getting a bit of a facelift lately, especially on the east end. All of the new buildings that have gone up are significantly nicer than the old buildings / lots they replaced.
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Also, I don't necessarily think a parking garage is absolutely necessary or should even be a priority. But, with how much surface lot Aggieville has, it seems like it would be a fantastic idea to condense that surface into a 3-4 level parking garage and develop the old surface lots to create a denser district with more residential. also, the garage would be helpful, assuming all street parking were eliminated too.
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Question, how do we kick out Cozy Inn? That would be a substantial upgrade.
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Get rid of the police station before Cozy Inn.
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possibly incorporate a moat/lazy river into the design?
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possibly incorporate a moat/lazy river into the design?
it was only a matter of time
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in the short-term, i'm for anything that worsens the manhattan parking and traffic situation. the townies need to be shocked before they will open their eyes to the only viable solution, which is of course, a city-wide lazy river. if it takes a month long traffic jam, so be it.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
iirc the original plan was to build 4 garages and the new one was just the 1st of those, not sure if that plan has changed though.
as far as aggieville goes, whoever posted that they should designate it as a improvement district with its own sales tax and its own fund for maintenance, that makes the most sense to me.
lol @ townie government not wanting to fund it...when summer rolls around and the students are gone, the locals use/love aggieville.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
did you ever live on campus? the derby and strong complexes desperately need adjacent parking garages.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
never parked on campus, EVER
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Regarding the face lift, Manhattan should simply designate Aggieville as a community improvement district and impose a 1/2 or 1/8 cent sales tax. Use these funds for maintenance and improvements. Simple. http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_12/Article_6a/12-6a31.html
why hasn't this been done? it's a no brainer. i have to assume Fitz has already approached the mayor and city council about it a million times. the overwhelming majority of this type of funding would come from non-voting transients (the students), while the overwhelming benefit would go to the property and business owners.
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link for the design plans for the aggieville hotel: http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/12558
Location PUD
OMG, LOL, OMG GUYS :lol:
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
did you ever live on campus? the derby and strong complexes desperately need adjacent parking garages.
I lived in Haymaker, right across the hall from Ayo Saba. He and I always agreed that another parking garage wasn't needed. Its all we ever talked about.
Also, he stole Capri Suns from my fridge constantly.
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link for the design plans for the aggieville hotel: http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/12558
Location PUD
OMG, LOL, OMG GUYS :lol:
:horrorsurprise:
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
did you ever live on campus? the derby and strong complexes desperately need adjacent parking garages.
I lived in Haymaker, right across the hall from Ayo Saba. He and I always agreed that another parking garage wasn't needed. Its all we ever talked about.
Also, he stole Capri Suns from my fridge constantly.
Well, I lived on the same floor as Freemaw his freshman year and beat him in Mario Kart a few times on the GameCube. He always said how much a parking garage would help with football recruiting.
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link for the design plans for the aggieville hotel: http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/12558
Location PUD
OMG, LOL, OMG GUYS :lol:
:lol:
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Also, City Park is a perfectly fine place to park and walk to the Ville. Moro parking is handy in the summer and at non peak times but it garbage when the area gets the most business. It's a hazard for people getting hit(not sure it even happens) or cars getting messed up from bar patrons (not sure that happens either). At least that might be my angle to getting rid of it. Agree there should be more residential apartments in there and rooftop bars. Less cops would be welcomed as well as allowing some bars to stay open later. While we are at it lets put some moving sidewalks in there so people who chose to stay dry and skip the lazy river can lazy stand their way to bars.
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probably cost prohibitive, but an underground garage would be rough ridin' awesome.
except for those gully washers and toad stranglers.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
Have you ever been to a real college campus? ever?
serious question.
We've got 1 parking garage and zero public transit. it's a joke.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
Have you ever been to a real college campus? ever?
serious question.
We've got 1 parking garage and zero public transit. it's a joke.
Every college campus ever has a shitty parking situation. They never build enough lots/garages and they sell way more parking permits than there are spots available. I feel bad for you suckers that don't/didn't live walking distance from campus.
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Every college campus ever has a shitty parking situation. They never build enough lots/garages and they sell way more parking permits than there are spots available. I feel bad for you suckers that don't/didn't live walking distance from campus.
Every college campus has free, university, public transit.
Not at K-State.
I lived on Sunset. stone's throw from Calvin and Aggieville. Over a mile to places like Throckmorton and Derby (don't know wtf I had Stats 350 in Derby, btw). This is fine in the spring and fall. Sucks ass in December-February.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
Have you ever been to a real college campus? ever?
serious question.
We've got 1 parking garage and zero public transit. it's a joke.
Every college campus ever has a shitty parking situation. They never build enough lots/garages and they sell way more parking permits than there are spots available. I feel bad for you suckers that don't/didn't live walking distance from campus.
KSU sucks parking/public transit wise. You guys sound like a bunch of tucks.
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If you can't find parking on campus, go park at the foundation, and take the free shuttle to the union :D
http://www.k-state.edu/parking/shuttle/
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Every college campus ever has a shitty parking situation. They never build enough lots/garages and they sell way more parking permits than there are spots available. I feel bad for you suckers that don't/didn't live walking distance from campus.
Every college campus has free, university, public transit.
Not at K-State.
I lived on Sunset. stone's throw from Calvin and Aggieville. Over a mile to places like Throckmorton and Derby (don't know wtf I had Stats 350 in Derby, btw). This is fine in the spring and fall. Sucks ass in December-February.
A mile? An entire mile? Wow dude.
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I've never been on a campus that is as condensed as K-State that had or needed student transit. I mean, what's it take to walk a mile, 10 minutes?
Also, isn't Sunset west of campus? How were you a stone's throw from Aggieville but a whole mile from Throckmorton?
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Everyone's solution to everything is always another parking garage. Have I ever not been able to find a parking spot? Nope. Just drive a block away and park on the street you lazy dorks.
Bus system would eliminate not only the need for a bunch of parking, but a lot of DUI's too.
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I'm not sure NK has ever been to Manhattan
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One time, I got drunk and walked from 12th and Moro to my apt in west loop right off seth child. Took me 45 drunk min to make the walk.
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there is a phenomenon in manhattan where crap that is not that far away relative to the world feels like impossibly far away. I remember living on 12th & Vattier and complaining about driving "all the way to Seth Child" to see a movie
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One time, I got drunk and walked from 12th and Moro to my apt in west loop right off seth child. Took me 45 drunk min to make the walk.
Once walked back from Westport to my house near 45th and mission, took an hour and picked up a filly on the way!
:eye:
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One time, I got drunk and walked from 12th and Moro to my apt in west loop right off seth child. Took me 45 drunk min to make the walk.
Once walked back from Westport to my house near 45th and mission, took an hour and picked up a filly on the way!
:eye:
:sdeek:
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I'm not sure NK has ever been to Manhattan
Seriously, though, Sunset is like a block from Throckmorton. Maybe Belvis was a mile away, but Throckmorton would still be one of the closest buildings to him.
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most importantly, tex winter triangle park is so k-stateo and awesome. agree that should happen.
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One time, I got drunk and walked from 12th and Moro to my apt in west loop right off seth child. Took me 45 drunk min to make the walk.
I walked from Aggieville to Chase Apartments once, but I was too drunk to care to check on how long the trip took. Probably 30 minutes or so.
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it takes like 8 minutes to walk across the entire town of manhattan
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Aggieville absolutely does not need a parking garage. There are a billion places to park right next to Aggieville.
I always parked in the gravel parking lot in city park.
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I've never been on a campus that is as condensed as K-State that had or needed student transit. I mean, what's it take to walk a mile, 10 minutes?
Also, isn't Sunset west of campus? How were you a stone's throw from Aggieville but a whole mile from Throckmorton?
1.1m to Throckmorton. .6m to Aggieville. google maps.
My only point is that a real university, with 25,000 undergrad students, should have basic infrastructure that other real universities have. I when I say "other" universities, I mean "every" university in the BigXII. This isn't Haskell Indian College.
walking is great. it's fantastic. But, real universities have dedicated transit systems. This has nothing to do with laziness or tuckiness. It's about having the threshold infrastructure of a major university.
http://www.parking.okstate.edu/
http://www.ou.edu/content/parking/.html
http://www.parking.ku.edu/
http://www.utexas.edu/parking/
http://www.baylor.edu/bus/index.php?id=31447
http://www.sustainability.tcu.edu/transport.asp
http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=1
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/sga/Main_StudentServices_CitibusRoutes.php
http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/Morgantown/
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I'm out of school and could care less about campus parking and transportation systems. Unless it was a PRT style one like in Morgantown that would zoom me to and from Aggieville and BSFS without all the road traffic.
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it is incredibly embarrassing we don't have real public transportation.
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most importantly, tex winter triangle park is so k-stateo and awesome. agree that should happen.
I love KStateo but that idea is awful.
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most importantly, tex winter triangle park is so k-stateo and awesome. agree that should happen.
I love KStateo but that idea is awful.
i think it's a tremendous idea.
it's a funny name for the "park." all parks should probably have funny names imho.
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it is incredibly embarrassing we don't have real public transportation.
WELL I DIDN'T NEED IT! - everyone blocking it. also see 'clams fact of old people being stupid.
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I could have not hooked up with a fatty or two because their apartments were super close. Just think about that.
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I'm not sure NK has ever been to Manhattan
Seriously, though, Sunset is like a block from Throckmorton. Maybe Belvis was a mile away, but Throckmorton would still be one of the closest buildings to him.
Sunset runs north and south. I lived a mile south of throck on sunset. Get a map.
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If you can't walk to any location on campus in under 15 minutes you are either a fatass or an athlete (they walk slow)
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
did you ever live on campus? the derby and strong complexes desperately need adjacent parking garages.
I lived in Haymaker, right across the hall from Ayo Saba. He and I always agreed that another parking garage wasn't needed. Its all we ever talked about.
Also, he stole Capri Suns from my fridge constantly.
Well, I lived on the same floor as Freemaw his freshman year and beat him in Mario Kart a few times on the GameCube. He always said how much a parking garage would help with football recruiting.
Pffft. I lived in Haymaker and Freemaw always parked his moped in the 30min parking. He'd have a handful of tickets everytime I walked by it. He also used to try to do tricks on my roommate's skateboard. It was quite the treat to watch.
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There needs to be another parking garage on campus.
Nope. The opposite. Less parking garages.
Am I the only one who walked to class?
did you ever live on campus? the derby and strong complexes desperately need adjacent parking garages.
I lived in Haymaker, right across the hall from Ayo Saba. He and I always agreed that another parking garage wasn't needed. Its all we ever talked about.
Also, he stole Capri Suns from my fridge constantly.
Well, I lived on the same floor as Freemaw his freshman year and beat him in Mario Kart a few times on the GameCube. He always said how much a parking garage would help with football recruiting.
Pffft. I lived in Haymaker and Freemaw always parked his moped in the 30min parking. He'd have a handful of tickets everytime I walked by it. He also used to try to do tricks on my roommate's skateboard. It was quite the treat to watch.
I used to leave my dorm the same time Alan Evridge would kick out his fillie for the night
Also saw Freeman passed out in a yard at a house party and someone stole his shoes :shakesfist:
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I don't care if they add it or not, but not once in my 5 years did I ever wish they had transit to get me to class.
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I don't care if they add it or not, but not once in my 5 years did I ever wish they had transit to get me to class.
Just makes the school look small timey. That's my biggest issue. I walked to class. Never really thought much about transit, at the time. But now, having seen a lot of other campuses, it stands out to me.
It's basic infrastructure. Lot of people don't live on campus. Lot of people commute from surrounding areas. Lot of people would use transit. That's why it exists on pretty much any BCS campus in America.
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All real parks have sweet band shells. Hope Tex Winter park can be a real park soon.
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Also, they shouldn't add any parking anywhere before they add transit.
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
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I WANT A PARKING GARAGE AND A BUS SO THAT I DON'T FEEL SMALL TIMEY
AND WHAT IF OTHERS THINK I'M SMALL TIMEY OH GOD THAT'S SO EMBARRASSING
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I think it's complete crap that we're trying to make Jardine an incredible place to live yet we put it half a mile from campus and have no public transit for people to use from there. Not to mention it's on the side of campus with the least used buildings. It's especially embarrassing that we're trying to get all of our athletes to live there. Can you imagine those recruiting visits? "Here's where a lot of our athletes live. Campus is (strains) rrrriiiiigghhttt past that large white building. Yeah you can, yeah, barely see it there. No, that that large white building, the one right past it. No, right past that one. Yeah, that one."
I love that we've fixed up Jardine. But good gracious, let's make it easier to get to campus from there.
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Public transit:
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Phase 1:
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I've never been on a campus that is as condensed as K-State that had or needed student transit. I mean, what's it take to walk a mile, 10 minutes?
Also, isn't Sunset west of campus? How were you a stone's throw from Aggieville but a whole mile from Throckmorton?
1.1m to Throckmorton. .6m to Aggieville. google maps.
My only point is that a real university, with 25,000 undergrad students, should have basic infrastructure that other real universities have. I when I say "other" universities, I mean "every" university in the BigXII. This isn't Haskell Indian College.
walking is great. it's fantastic. But, real universities have dedicated transit systems. This has nothing to do with laziness or tuckiness. It's about having the threshold infrastructure of a major university.
http://www.parking.okstate.edu/
http://www.ou.edu/content/parking/.html
http://www.parking.ku.edu/
http://www.utexas.edu/parking/
http://www.baylor.edu/bus/index.php?id=31447
http://www.sustainability.tcu.edu/transport.asp
http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=1
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/sga/Main_StudentServices_CitibusRoutes.php
http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/Morgantown/
I live on sunset, very close to anderson, and I would rather walk to throckmorten over aggieville every day.
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In all seriousness, we need to get Havs in on this discussion. He already has a pretty viable route for MHK Public Transit, and it's much better than the route ATA bus currently takes.
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Folks, there's a reason Jacob Pullen had to steal those bikes. We gave him no other choice, due to the lack of public transportation.
And I agree with Jaksie, it's extraordinarily restarted that we continue to develop the hell out of student housing at Jardine about a mile off of campus, without a bus system in place or even in the planning stages.
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In all seriousness, we need to get Havs in on this discussion. He already has a pretty viable route for MHK Public Transit, and it's much better than the route ATA bus currently takes.
Here are some quickly developed maps from a few weeks ago (originating from a course I took back in 2010) when 'Meister described to me his pain and agony of being stranded in Manhattan over break with no car. There are two key anchor points at Ahearn Fieldhouse/K-State Union and Downtown/Mall where transfers can be made, and each route either passes a major institution (K-State, Aggieville, Manhattan High, Middle Schools, Downtown, Mall, Shopping Hubs) or major centers of residence for students and other residents.
Overall System
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Red Line: Anderson/Bluemont
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Orange Line: High School/Campus/Mall South
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Yellow Line: Campus North/ Middle School
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Blue Line: Campus Northwest
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Purple Circulator: Campus/Jardine/Athletic Complex
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Green Line: Eastern/Southern Fringe
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Silver Circulator: South Campus Neighborhoods/ Aggieville
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Brown Line: Campus to Middle School
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One time, I got drunk and walked from 12th and Moro to my apt in west loop right off seth child. Took me 45 drunk min to make the walk.
Diaji told me a great walking all over Manhattan drunk story on the way to the Texas game Wednesday. Dude is a marathon walker.
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I WANT A PARKING GARAGE AND A BUS SO THAT I DON'T FEEL SMALL TIMEY
AND WHAT IF OTHERS THINK I'M SMALL TIMEY OH GOD THAT'S SO EMBARRASSING
Let me guess, it's the 'people' that make a university great. Reminds me of the debates over on GPC about our athletic facilities. Remember, when we were the only bigXII school to not have a bball training facility? Pretty small timey, IMO. But, we're K-State, we don't need them shiney, expensive things.
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
Actually neither Iowa State nor Baylor have bus systems on campus.
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Unless this bus system is going to pick students up miles off campus and drive them in, I just don't see the point. K-State's campus is tiny.
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Unless this bus system is going to pick students up miles off campus and drive them in, I just don't see the point. K-State's campus is tiny.
I agree. I don't think it should be a campus thing. It should be a city thing.
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I thought with the city going over $50k they'd be able to get federal funding for public transport? has that not happened yet?
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I thought with the city going over $50k they'd be able to get federal funding for public transport? has that not happened yet?
I believe the city council voted it down because the city would have had to match that funding and eff the students anyway, or something like that.
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the suggestion of a bus system or any public transportation in a town the size of manhattan is redickalus.
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my hometown of 1,400 had old people bus transportation
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
Actually neither Iowa State nor Baylor have bus systems on campus.
No.
Baylor: The Baylor University Shuttle (BUS) is a fixed route transportation system operated by Waco Transit in cooperation with the Baylor Department of Parking and Transportation Services.
http://www.baylor.edu/bus/index.php?id=31447
Iowa State: CyRide is the city bus system for Ames, Iowa. It is a collaboration between the City of Ames, Iowa State University (ISU), and ISU's Government of the Student Body (GSB). CyRide is excited to offer a new bus prediction service called NEXT BUS. Financed through ISU student fees, this new technology allows passengers to see exactly where the bus is at, at anytime and it’s predicted time of arrival at your bus stop location by using the web, telephone or mobile device. http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=23
CNS, I agree it should by a City thing. Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees. I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area.
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I WANT A PARKING GARAGE AND A BUS SO THAT I DON'T FEEL SMALL TIMEY
AND WHAT IF OTHERS THINK I'M SMALL TIMEY OH GOD THAT'S SO EMBARRASSING
Let me guess, it's the 'people' that make a university great.
Yes. Their insecurities, in particular. They're as essential to the area as the Konza.
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my hometown of 1,400 had old people bus transportation
i was going to suggest that the fats on the board can catch a ride with the meadowlark hills shuttle.
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I thought with the city going over $50k they'd be able to get federal funding for public transport? has that not happened yet?
I believe the city council voted it down because the city would have had to match that funding and eff the students anyway, or something like that.
wait, this can't be true. manhattan is a progressive community, it says so right on the website.
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my hometown of 1,400 had old people bus transportation
i was going to suggest that the fats on the board can catch a ride with the meadowlark hills shuttle.
:lol:
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chum is the best at chumming
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
Actually neither Iowa State nor Baylor have bus systems on campus.
Nope, MoldAggy actually has had a very nice bus system for the better part of 20 years.
Cy-Ride.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbusride.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2FCyRide-Bus-image1.jpg&hash=b98532333d9171faa1ef39e12a6e256855335fe9)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F4%2F4e%2FCyRide_buses.jpg&hash=5f886894e4ef8107036ce91d671037ee307ae646)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3574%2F4565927675_864516f868.jpg&hash=55fbf268075b38a1da01209a12ea8279a886cf39)
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
Actually neither Iowa State nor Baylor have bus systems on campus.
Nope, MoldAggy actually has had a very nice bus system for the better part of 20 years.
Cy-Ride.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3574%2F4565927675_864516f868.jpg&hash=55fbf268075b38a1da01209a12ea8279a886cf39)
There would be a picture of someone wearing a snuggie on cy-ride.
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Baylor.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbaylorlariat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FWaco-Transit_MM-13.09.11_3532-FTW.jpg&hash=8363cf24181f1056b9f3d08e3942ed7ed95059e0)
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Stillwater.
Population: 46,000
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fosu.okstate.edu%2Fnews%2Ftransit.jpg&hash=5a95dec942098a1e73a21b7970ed1aa472c575c4)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthegazette.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2F5185579-LAS-01_16_2010-11.47.33.jpg&hash=f86229a31a8fbb5a9140493c094e1541e03ec71f)
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Morgantown, West Virginia.
Population: 30,293
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2011%2F11%2F03%2FPRT_t640.jpg%3Fa6ea3ebd4438a44b86d2e9c39ecf7613005fe067&hash=6c267bc130403209265dabd2da79a2f7926f6823)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.slate.wvu.edu%2Fresources%2F231%2F1334583522.jpg&hash=525c5f128bbe0deb704b1337150fc4420ccb75d4)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmw2.google.com%2Fmw-panoramio%2Fphotos%2Fmedium%2F12857108.jpg&hash=e935e720d00312d3e58531d7014c758811014c65)
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that WVU transit system looks pretty futuristic for Coal Aggy... or is it just a copy of underground coal shuttles that they moved above ground?
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I thought with the city going over $50k they'd be able to get federal funding for public transport? has that not happened yet?
It happened. The City commission refused to provide the required funds stipulated in the federal grant.
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The fact that K-State is the only university in the BigXII without campus wide public transit should be embarrassing to everyone.
And just because you may like walking to class, doesn't make it less embarrassing.
I mean for eff sakes, it's 2013 and we still don't have a bus system.
Actually neither Iowa State nor Baylor have bus systems on campus.
No.
Baylor: The Baylor University Shuttle (BUS) is a fixed route transportation system operated by Waco Transit in cooperation with the Baylor Department of Parking and Transportation Services.
http://www.baylor.edu/bus/index.php?id=31447
Iowa State: CyRide is the city bus system for Ames, Iowa. It is a collaboration between the City of Ames, Iowa State University (ISU), and ISU's Government of the Student Body (GSB). CyRide is excited to offer a new bus prediction service called NEXT BUS. Financed through ISU student fees, this new technology allows passengers to see exactly where the bus is at, at anytime and it’s predicted time of arrival at your bus stop location by using the web, telephone or mobile device. http://www.cyride.com/index.aspx?page=23
CNS, I agree it should by a City thing. Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees. I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area.
hmmm, well, it was just a guess.
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I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.
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Public Transit pr0n :love:
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if mhk would just put in a bus system with like 3 stops they would pretty much instantly have better public transport than KC
could be good for community bragging rights, just saying
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Here are some quickly developed maps from a few weeks ago (originating from a course I took back in 2010) when 'Meister described to me his pain and agony of being stranded in Manhattan over break with no car.
Thanks Havs.
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I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.
Because 50,000 is the threshold for government subsidy (which Manhattan qualifies for as KK has stated).
And no, our campus is not any more urban or compact than in a city like Ames or Stillwater or Morgantown.
And don't tell me, as a student living at Jardine or anywhere on or off campus, for instance that you wouldn't utilize it for a trip to campus or that you would rough ridin' walk to a grocery store or Varney's or Best Buy or Target and weren't car dependent.
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Future Big XII school Clemson, South Carolina.
Population: 42,000
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthetigernews.com%2Fphotos%2F1015.jpg&hash=015075fcd58f8b28603e617bb45d4a73f0d98c94)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5247%2F5279094218_726b7bc860_z.jpg&hash=876c05e7cf65f46bccbfa513c17cf449c56cadb1)
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i like these pictures Wabash, but its making me sad.
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I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.
Our Campus extends from BSFS to Beach Museum (~2 miles), and everything in between. If you are convinced that you're a 5 minute walk from any campus destination, this conversation is pretty pointless.
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I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.
Because 50,000 is the threshold for government subsidy (which Manhattan qualifies for as KK has stated).
And no, our campus is not any more urban or compact than in a city like Ames or Stillwater or Morgantown.
And don't tell me, as a student living at Jardine or anywhere on or off campus, for instance that you wouldn't utilize it for a trip to campus or that you would rough ridin' walk to a grocery store or Varney's or Best Buy or Target and weren't car dependent.
K-State covers 668 acres.
OSU covers 1,489 acres.
WVU covers 913 acres.
ISU covers 1,984 acres.
WVU is the closest to KSU in size and is still 37% larger.
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Auburn, Alabama.
Population: 54,000.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auburn.edu%2Fprojects%2Fsustainability%2Fwebsite%2Fimages%2Fbus.jpg&hash=252020d74039a05811d92dc44bb1ee202e99a148)
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Auburn, Alabama.
Population: 54,000.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auburn.edu%2Fprojects%2Fsustainability%2Fwebsite%2Fimages%2Fbus.jpg&hash=252020d74039a05811d92dc44bb1ee202e99a148)
3 times the area of Kansas State
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Auburn, Alabama.
Population: 54,000.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.auburn.edu%2Fprojects%2Fsustainability%2Fwebsite%2Fimages%2Fbus.jpg&hash=252020d74039a05811d92dc44bb1ee202e99a148)
3 times the area of Kansas State
IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus. The size of campus is irrelevant.
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IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus. The size of campus is irrelevant.
Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.
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3 times the area of Kansas State
Please stop removing the city from the conversation. Nobody is proposing that this be a campus only system. In fact, the biggest advantage is that this is a city/campus parternership since we have more students living off campus than on campus. Thanks.
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
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IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus. The size of campus is irrelevant.
Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.
in other words..
"I agree it should by a City thing. Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees. I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area." - Belvis.
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IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus. The size of campus is irrelevant.
Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.
in other words..
"I agree it should by a City thing. Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees. I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area." - Belvis.
No student fees. The bus should stop at the student union, BSFS, and nowhere else on campus.
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Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do.
The most inconsequential need is to get students from building to building.
This about getting students on campus, alleviating the need for parking, and connecting students (especially those that aren't car dependent) with basic services within the community.
And yes, the city should support it and so should K-State, especially when federal assistance is available to help pay for it.
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Blacksburg, Virginia. Virginia Tech.
Population: 42,600
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdowntownblacksburg.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F02%2Fbt.jpg&hash=4e2d97116943db27cd513f3b84854e3da31fcc61)
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.
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I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.
Because 50,000 is the threshold for government subsidy (which Manhattan qualifies for as KK has stated).
And no, our campus is not any more urban or compact than in a city like Ames or Stillwater or Morgantown.
And don't tell me, as a student living at Jardine or anywhere on or off campus, for instance that you wouldn't utilize it for a trip to campus or that you would rough ridin' walk to a grocery store or Varney's or Best Buy or Target and weren't car dependent.
K-State covers 668 acres.
OSU covers 1,489 acres.
WVU covers 913 acres.
ISU covers 1,984 acres.
WVU is the closest to KSU in size and is still 37% larger.
On top of WVU being a terrible comparo becuase its crazy hilly and they have 3 separate areas of campus that arent connected.
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.
Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building. So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Get all the bus systems you want, which probably only international students would use anyway. Just don't build more parking garages that ugly up the campus. Also, encourage people to walk. Walking is good for you. We want the people of KSU to stay sexy.
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.
Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building. So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Well that's his opinion. If you can't respect it and move on that's your problem.
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.
Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building. So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
to ignore the fact that other universities' huge sprawling campuses contributed to the decision for "public" transit is pretty dumb too. k-state's small campus is pretty unique in that respect.
i'm not saying mhk shouldn't have public transport, but to point at other universities who instituted it (in part) to meet needs that do not exist at k-state is stupid.
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I'm not so sure it would be used all the time anyway. I mean there is a free ride from Aggieville directly to your house every freaking weekend night and there are still like dozens of DUIs every weekend.
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for all of these other cities like stillwater and ames and auburn, how much of the funding is done by the city and how much by the university?
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Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes. (including the Olathe Campus).
From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.
Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building. So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
to ignore the fact that other universities huge sprawling campuses contributed to the decision for "public" transit is pretty dumb too. k-state's small campus is pretty unique in that respect.
i'm not saying mhk shouldn't have public transport, but to point at other universities who instituted it (in part) to meet needs that do not exist at k-state is stupid.
While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large. Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed. And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective.
The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State. We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students. We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman. Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core. It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.
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While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large. Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed. And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective.
The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State. We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students. We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman. Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core. It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.
i don't disagree with any of that.
i'm just saying that other campuses/cities were motivated, in part, by their comparatively sprawled out campuses. that motivation does not exist at kansas state.
that's not to say that other motivations don't exist, but advocates shouldn't dismiss k-state's campus size as completely irrelevant when they argue "well all other big 12 schools..."
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man, i'm gonna be late for my class at LHC Bill Snyder family stadium. it's because my professor in my class at the beach museum of art kept us late. damn. flunk city for me.
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While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large. Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed. And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective.
The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State. We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students. We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman. Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core. It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.
i don't disagree with any of that.
i'm just saying that other campuses/cities were motivated, in part, by their comparatively sprawled out campuses. that motivation does not exist at kansas state.
that's not to say that other motivations don't exist, but advocates shouldn't dismiss k-state's campus size as completely irrelevant when they argue "well all other big 12 schools..."
I think it's fair to say that in those other cities, the university had to implement some way of shuttling students across campus, and the cities decided they might as well chip in and address minor transportation issues. In Manhattan, the university doesn't have a need to shuttle students, but the city still wants the school to fund the bus system like schools in other cities have. It doesn't make sense for the university to put up a large percentage of the cost, and it's really not a big deal if Manhattan doesn't have a bus system.
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Buses are for poors
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No one at ku uses the bus to get from class to class, just to get on/off campus. Guess they should probably get rid of them.
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The city doesn't want the students to infiltrate the rest of town and leave a bunch of trash and have orgies on the front lawns like they do in Aggieville and it's surrounding slums. The lack of a bus makes student trash orgies much less likely the further from campus you are.
Don't think for a minute that this isn't exactly the motivation behind stonewalling pub trans.
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No one at ku uses the bus to get from class to class
Yeah they do.
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The city doesn't want the students to infiltrate the rest of town and leave a bunch of trash and have orgies on the front lawns like they do in Aggieville and it's surrounding slums. The lack of a bus makes student trash orgies much less likely the further from campus you are.
Don't think for a minute that this isn't exactly the motivation behind stonewalling pub trans.
I'm sure that is a large part of it, and if that is how they feel, fine. The biggest beneficiaries of a bus system would be property owners, especially landlords, and the Aggieville business district. If they don't want to support one, the university doesn't really need it.
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While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)
IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5
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the solution is to allow modified golf carts on the roads, those things aren't expensive and would be perfect for the student on the go.
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the solution is to allow modified golf carts on the roads, those things aren't expensive and would be perfect for the student on the go.
Yep, also modified golf cart sharing programs with public modified golf cart lots that have modified golf carts available for members to check out in several places across Manhattan.
What if you don't live close to a modified golf cart lot?
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park & ride
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You guys sound so small-timey. Sheesh.
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park & ride
But where will they all park?
Back to needing a parking garage. Freems was right!
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You guys sound so small-timey. Sheesh.
Please, you guys probably don't even know how to modify a golf cart.
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Kirk Schulz - "We continue to have discussions with the Mayor and City Commission on this very topic. I gave a K-State 2025 update to the Commission several weeks ago, and mentioned that public transportation was critical to our ability to grow as a university in the future. Conversations are continuing, and I am optimistic we are getting close to a solution. However, it is critical that everyone - City of Manhattan and K-State, enter into this as a partnership - this cannot be totally funded by the university."
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-faculty-chat-president-schulz/
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Kirk Schulz - "We continue to have discussions with the Mayor and City Commission on this very topic. I gave a K-State 2025 update to the Commission several weeks ago, and mentioned that public transportation was critical to our ability to grow as a university in the future. Conversations are continuing, and I am optimistic we are getting close to a solution. However, it is critical that everyone - City of Manhattan and K-State, enter into this as a partnership - this cannot be totally funded by the university."
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-faculty-chat-president-schulz/
How hard does the city commission laugh about this once Shulzy leaves? I bet a lot.
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
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Graduate Student Council Graduate Student Council asks: President Schulz, Will K-State ever have a campus transportation system similar to what the University of Kansas offers? Especially, transportation to and from Aggieville and the Rec Complex.
Kirk Schulz This is something else we are working on. At Virginia Tech, we had a world-class bus system, which meant that you could get around town and campus with no car. If the population of Manhattan exceeds 50,000 in the next census, we will be able to receive some federal funds to help with a public transportation system.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate/
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While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)
IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5
Good article, Belvis! :thumbs:
The heart of the document focuses on the CyRide bus system in Ames, Iowa—serving the Ames community and Iowa State University since 1976. CyRide is a special system in that it serves a total population of only 54,000, but sees an annual ridership of 5 million. Their success is based on a longstanding relationship with the community complimented by staff that posses the passion to ensure the highest quality service day-in and day-out. This report discusses the fine details of how that system functions on all levels.
The document concludes with the discussion of Manhattan, Kansas—a city with approximately the same population as Ames, and is home to Kansas State University, which as approximately the same student enrollment as Iowa State. Manhattan currently does not have a transit system, but is seeking to implement one in the coming years.
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Fwiw, there is something like this that goEMAW.com user Parrot14 is in charge of.
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William Butler asks:I know that this is a very, very tentative question to ask, but if Manhattan does get a bus system that serves the KSU campus, what parts of campus and Manhattan proper do you think it would serve? Also, what sort of help would you bring in to analyze where the most students would be served by a bus route? Would you bring in, for example, an outside professional organization, or as another example a panel of geography students adept at using Geographic Information Systems?
Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system very badly. Virginia Tech had an excellent one when I was a student there in the mid-1980's (I didn't have a car so I used the bus system), and I know that this can really make a difference in a college community. Any bus system will be a partnership between the city and K-State, so I would guess that we would work with some sort of professional organization who specializes in this type of work. Lets see how the census data turns out - but I know discussions are ongoing on this issue.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate-chat-kirk/
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While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)
IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5
Good article, Belvis! :thumbs:
The heart of the document focuses on the CyRide bus system in Ames, Iowa—serving the Ames community and Iowa State University since 1976. CyRide is a special system in that it serves a total population of only 54,000, but sees an annual ridership of 5 million. Their success is based on a longstanding relationship with the community complimented by staff that posses the passion to ensure the highest quality service day-in and day-out. This report discusses the fine details of how that system functions on all levels.
The document concludes with the discussion of Manhattan, Kansas—a city with approximately the same population as Ames, and is home to Kansas State University, which as approximately the same student enrollment as Iowa State. Manhattan currently does not have a transit system, but is seeking to implement one in the coming years.
Yes, also:
In order to accomplish the goal of reducing the number of cars on campus and promoting a more pedestrian campus, it had to provide the students with an alternative means of transportation in and around the university (Iowa State University Parking Division, 2006). In the interview, it was stated that the “first endeavors to reduce the number of cars on campus was to restrict access to various campus streets”, however this proved to be unsuccessful (CyRide, 2010). Knowing that parking was extremely limited and overrun, the university began incrementally raising rates of oncampus parking lots, while allowing students to park at the Iowa State Center (ISC) for free. Eventually, the university passed a regulation that prohibited any student living in the City of Ames to receive a campus parking permit. This would practically force all such students to park at the ISC and take a shuttle to campus. Simultaneously, in September of 1976, CyRide became a department of the city, but that was after the university had been operating several routes on its own.
So this was a system that the university installed out of necessity to move students across campus, and then the city just decided to chip in funding to expand an already-existing system, just like I alluded to earlier.
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Melvin Fatimehin asks:I hear that Manhattan is going to be considered a city pretty soon and money from the government will be coming our way. Would this effect K-State? If so would any of it be used for public transportation through the Manhattan area?
Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system badly in Manhattan. The biggest positive from "city" designation would be some federal funds for a bus system - which would be great for students, faculty, and staff. Just imagine a beautiful purple bus - so much better looking that the Pat Bosco purple jeep!
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/undergraduate-chat-kirk/
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weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Bike sharing is about as dirty as slobbering over a HyVee shopping cart... but go ahead.
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weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.
It was pretty stupid to develop apartments on College Ave if everyone "should" live within 5 minutes of campus. I'd agree with this if Aggieville had more 5-7 story apartment buildings surrounding it.
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weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.
Or they could get a bike, or maybe just park their car off-street 5 minutes from the part of campus they are headed. :dunno:
I can agree that it would be nice to have a mass transit system, and that if I were on the Manhattan City Council, I would raise taxes to implement one. I don't think K-State needs to be raising tuition or student fees to get a bus system going, though. It wouldn't be used on-campus, and they need to find ways to keep tuition low.
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jfc this thread is the worst
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jfc this thread is the worst
i know, right? a development thread discussing public transit. rough ridin' idiots.
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William Butler asks:I know that this is a very, very tentative question to ask, but if Manhattan does get a bus system that serves the KSU campus, what parts of campus and Manhattan proper do you think it would serve? Also, what sort of help would you bring in to analyze where the most students would be served by a bus route? Would you bring in, for example, an outside professional organization, or as another example a panel of geography students adept at using Geographic Information Systems?
Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system very badly. Virginia Tech had an excellent one when I was a student there in the mid-1980's (I didn't have a car so I used the bus system), and I know that this can really make a difference in a college community. Any bus system will be a partnership between the city and K-State, so I would guess that we would work with some sort of professional organization who specializes in this type of work. Lets see how the census data turns out - but I know discussions are ongoing on this issue.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate-chat-kirk/
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Fwiw, there is something like this that goEMAW.com user Parrot14 is in charge of.
Wow, really? Is he in charge of putting a program together, or is there already something in place? That sounds pretty awesome.
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William Butler asks:I know that this is a very, very tentative question to ask, but if Manhattan does get a bus system that serves the KSU campus, what parts of campus and Manhattan proper do you think it would serve? Also, what sort of help would you bring in to analyze where the most students would be served by a bus route? Would you bring in, for example, an outside professional organization, or as another example a panel of geography students adept at using Geographic Information Systems?
Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system very badly. Virginia Tech had an excellent one when I was a student there in the mid-1980's (I didn't have a car so I used the bus system), and I know that this can really make a difference in a college community. Any bus system will be a partnership between the city and K-State, so I would guess that we would work with some sort of professional organization who specializes in this type of work. Lets see how the census data turns out - but I know discussions are ongoing on this issue.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate-chat-kirk/
:surprised:
President Kirk Schulz know public transit is the lynch pin to 2025. He's no dummy. Go get em' Kirk!
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not what the :surprised: was about. but :thumbs: anyway
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Bike sharing is about as dirty as slobbering over a HyVee shopping cart... but go ahead.
Says the guy who waits 10 minutes at a stop for the luxury of sitting on a dirty seat next to some smelly fat person on a packed bus.
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The year is 2013, and K-State still doesn't have a bus system? Damn.
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Bike sharing is about as dirty as slobbering over a HyVee shopping cart... but go ahead.
Says the guy who waits 10 minutes at a stop for the luxury of sitting on a dirty seat next to some smelly fat person on a packed bus.
The bus routes in Ames that I took were college circulator routes so they were new buses with only college kids. They also have moist towlettes available when you get on the bus to wipe down your seat (if so inclined to do so) to get rid of germs.
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The year is 2013, and K-State still doesn't have a bus system? Damn.
we really don't need one, you've been to our campus. very different then the urban sprawl found on ol' mt oread.
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The year is 2013, and K-State still doesn't have a bus system? Damn.
we really don't need one, you've been to our campus. very different then the urban sprawl found on ol' mt oread.
You have students who live north & west of the stadium... :facepalm:
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K-State... only forty years behind the rest of the country when it comes to public transportation. Woot!
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The year is 2013, and K-State still doesn't have a bus system? Damn.
we really don't need one, you've been to our campus. very different then the urban sprawl found on ol' mt oread.
Yes we do. This isn't 2006, KSU has more students now than ever before and parking is over crowded. It sucks, I deal with it every day. Accept it.
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gosh i forgot how big of dorks the "there aren't enough parking spaces" crowd is/was. get a life losers.
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:lol: clams
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gosh i forgot how big of dorks the "there aren't enough parking spaces" crowd is/was. get a life losers.
It's pretty bad, as someone who "deals with it every day" it is awful. I was out running errands this morning so I decided to see if there was a close off-campus parking spot instead of walking, and I got one that was a shorter walk to my office than the parking garage! :D
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The year is 2013, and K-State still doesn't have a bus system? Damn.
we really don't need one, you've been to our campus. very different then the urban sprawl found on ol' mt oread.
You have students who live north & west of the stadium... :facepalm:
True story, we have a shuttle that they can take from the stadium to the union.
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Could we put underground PRT tracks in the steam tunnels?
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As someone who doesn't have a car here, I think it would be pretty nice to not have to carry groceries a mile and a half on my way home.
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As someone who doesn't have a car here, I think it would be pretty nice to not have to carry groceries a mile and a half on my way home.
nobody is saying that a mass transit system wouldn't be great. we're just making fun of the losers w/ cars that complain about having to park a block or two away from campus.
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How does anyone survive without a car?
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How does anyone survive without a car?
they get their friends to drive them everywhere or borrow their friends' cars which they wreck on occasion.
right, kkk?
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I don't understand why more people don't use the ata bus system and ask for it to be expanded.
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As someone who doesn't have a car here, I think it would be pretty nice to not have to carry groceries a mile and a half on my way home.
nobody is saying that a mass transit system wouldn't be great. we're just making fun of the losers w/ cars that complain about having to park a block or two away from campus.
Yeah, eff those guys.
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I live like two blocks from campus. On the odd day that I'm running late, I've never had a problem finding a spot to park. There is more parking now than ever before. There are a lot of good reasons for a campus transit system. Parking is far down the lost.
Also :lol: at clams' post. Post of the day.
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How does anyone survive without a car?
not very well in Manhattan. Hence the need for transit.
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Hey guyz, i have some super secret transit related information here so feel free to pass it along to anyone you know.
You know how Jardine is 1 mile away from the campus core? And how when its cold out the walk can suck?
Well the solution is simple! When you reach the corner of Jardine and Dennison you simply walk right into the greenhouses! You can walk through the greenhouses into Throckmorton which dumps you right onto claflin.
Walk across claflin and then walk through Chamlers hall, when you leave chalmers you are going to have to rough it a bit and cross the parking lot before entering the engineering buildings. WATCH OUT FOR CARS, they can be pretty AGGRESSIVE while looking for a parking spot.
Once you cut through the engineering building(grab a cup of coffee if you forgot yours!) cross through the nicely redone patio and N 17th street and enter Seaton Hall. From Seaton you are going to want to walk across Bosco Plaza and into the student union. If you havent eaten breakfast yet I would suggest a chicken sandwich from chick-fil-a.
After finishing your quick breafast head on over to Calvin for your 8:30 Accounting 2 class where you will get excellent grades because you were warm and refreshed when you arrived.
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Hey guyz, i have some super secret transit related information here so feel free to pass it along to anyone you know.
You know how Jardine is 1 mile away from the campus core? And how when its cold out the walk can suck?
Well the solution is simple! When you reach the corner of Jardine and Dennison you simply walk right into the greenhouses! You can walk through the greenhouses into Throckmorton which dumps you right onto claflin.
Walk across claflin and then walk through Chamlers hall, when you leave chalmers you are going to have to rough it a bit and cross the parking lot before entering the engineering buildings. WATCH OUT FOR CARS, they can be pretty AGGRESSIVE while looking for a parking spot.
Once you cut through the engineering building(grab a cup of coffee if you forgot yours!) cross through the nicely redone patio and N 17th street and enter Seaton Hall. From Seaton you are going to want to walk across Bosco Plaza and into the student union. If you havent eaten breakfast yet I would suggest a chicken sandwich from chick-fil-a.
After finishing your quick breafast head on over to Calvin for your 8:30 Accounting 2 class where you will get excellent grades because you were warm and refreshed when you arrived.
This advice completely ignores the fact that Seaton Hall has never once salted it's stairs before, during, or after an ice storm and that stair case has claimed many an unwary ass.
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I've often employed the walk-through-various-campus-buildings-rather-than-freeze-my-ass-off strategy of winter time navigation on campus.
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Hey guyz, i have some super secret transit related information here so feel free to pass it along to anyone you know.
You know how Jardine is 1 mile away from the campus core? And how when its cold out the walk can suck?
Well the solution is simple! When you reach the corner of Jardine and Dennison you simply walk right into the greenhouses! You can walk through the greenhouses into Throckmorton which dumps you right onto claflin.
Walk across claflin and then walk through Chamlers hall, when you leave chalmers you are going to have to rough it a bit and cross the parking lot before entering the engineering buildings. WATCH OUT FOR CARS, they can be pretty AGGRESSIVE while looking for a parking spot.
Once you cut through the engineering building(grab a cup of coffee if you forgot yours!) cross through the nicely redone patio and N 17th street and enter Seaton Hall. From Seaton you are going to want to walk across Bosco Plaza and into the student union. If you havent eaten breakfast yet I would suggest a chicken sandwich from chick-fil-a.
After finishing your quick breafast head on over to Calvin for your 8:30 Accounting 2 class where you will get excellent grades because you were warm and refreshed when you arrived.
phi delt outed
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I didn't realize they had classes in Seaton Hall for a couple years, I just assumed it was a big hallway built for me to use during inclement weather
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:lol: on several levels
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a bus is very small timey. i'd feel a lot more confident and worldly if we had a canal system with transport barges.
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a bus is very small timey. i'd feel a lot more confident and worldly if we had a canal system with transport barges.
I think we all would, but let's face it; we don't have the money or the water for that.
(pretty drunk. probably used the ; incorrectly)
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a bus is very small timey. i'd feel a lot more confident and worldly if we had a canal system with transport barges.
I don't see why that wouldn't work. When the canal freezes over we can put sleigh runners on the barges.
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:runaway:
:lol:
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a bus is very small timey. i'd feel a lot more confident and worldly if we had a canal system with transport barges.
One step at a time, brah. You guys seem to struggle with basic forms of transportation, such as walking, with all the slipping and falling posts I'm reading.
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Costs for a replica car currently begin around $900,000 for an air conditioned double-truck vehicle (using rebuilt vintage running gear and modern control equipment). A typical diesel transit bus costs about half as much, but has a shorter service life (17 years vs. 30 for trolley / streetcar / LRV). A modern streetcar typically costs between $3.5 and $4.5M.
http://www.gomacotrolley.com/index.html
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Costs for a replica car currently begin around $900,000 for an air conditioned double-truck vehicle (using rebuilt vintage running gear and modern control equipment). A typical diesel transit bus costs about half as much, but has a shorter service life (17 years vs. 30 for trolley / streetcar / LRV). A modern streetcar typically costs between $3.5 and $4.5M.
http://www.gomacotrolley.com/index.html
by the way we use to have street cars and a bus system back in the day
http://www.rileycountyks.gov/index.aspx?nid=335
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Costs for a replica car currently begin around $900,000 for an air conditioned double-truck vehicle (using rebuilt vintage running gear and modern control equipment). A typical diesel transit bus costs about half as much, but has a shorter service life (17 years vs. 30 for trolley / streetcar / LRV). A modern streetcar typically costs between $3.5 and $4.5M.
http://www.gomacotrolley.com/index.html
Why not in MHK? Why not?
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FWIW they cost less to operate than a bus. Wheels are replaced every half a million miles, DC motors last 30 years and it runs off city electric (not subject to gas prices). The rolling gear generally has commonality with standard gauge freight trains and is very cheap.
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FWIW they cost less to operate than a bus. Wheels are replaced every half a million miles, DC motors last 30 years and it runs off city electric (not subject to gas prices). The rolling gear generally has commonality with standard gauge freight trains and is very cheap.
this seems like a lot of high SCIQ going on here.
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FWIW they cost less to operate than a bus. Wheels are replaced every half a million miles, DC motors last 30 years and it runs off city electric (not subject to gas prices). The rolling gear generally has commonality with standard gauge freight trains and is very cheap.
this seems like a lot of high SCIQ going on here.
Just googling propaganda to feed the townie city council so we can get something cool for once. :thumbs:
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FWIW they cost less to operate than a bus. Wheels are replaced every half a million miles, DC motors last 30 years and it runs off city electric (not subject to gas prices). The rolling gear generally has commonality with standard gauge freight trains and is very cheap.
this seems like a lot of high SCIQ going on here.
Just googling propaganda to feed the townie city council so we can get something cool for once. :thumbs:
I know our terrible city council was screwing with ata bus people. We were on the verge of going normal town till the tea party fucks backed off the idea.
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:surprised:
http://architrains.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/transport-2050-book.pdf (http://architrains.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/transport-2050-book.pdf)
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Transport 2050
Often a city will find a major part of its national image being a result of its transportation. America is still largely a country defined by the distances it spans, and the transportation systems on which it was built, leading to transportation being one of our most image-able assets. “Transportation remains one of the most important external forces that influence the shape of cities,” Witold Rybczynski says in the final chapter of Makeshift Metropolis. When visitors come to Manhattan, Kansas, one of their first experiences is and will be with the region and the city’s transportation network.
Transportation is both the skeletal structure and the circulatory system of a city. It is the foundation upon which all development happens. The history of transportation and its effect on the city is evident in Manhattan’s location. Settled by pioneers traveling by riverboat, the bend in the Kansas River is the farthest they could come, their boat running aground. Years later, the river valley provided the easiest route over the rolling Flint Hills for the Kansas Pacific and its diminutive little locomotives on their way to Denver. Prosperity came as the town became home to a land grant school and a transcontinental transportation link. Eventually, the automobile allowed the city to expand beyond its flat location in the valley, spreading across the hills to the northwest.
Currently, Manhattan’s transportation options are centered on the tyranny of the automobile; its development options are based on the suburban result. But Manhattan used to have a choice. Like many small Midwestern towns, it had a streetcar system that provided clean, affordable, easily accessible transportation.
Today, many may see Manhattan as too small to support a successful streetcar system, but it is possible. Manhattan can once again have a choice, a choice for the better. Streetcars will bring investment and a powerful image for the city to use to market itself regionally. Transportation can once again be the unifying theme of Manhattan.
Transport 2050 is a project envisioning a rail-based transportation system for the city of Manhattan, linking city planning considerations to the transportation choices available to the citizens. The result is a greener, denser, more sustainable and resilient community.
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:drool:
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What about electric buses? BR's gfs dad makes them. Seems dumb to me though cause I like the NOLA style street cars better.
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For the record, I'm totally good with a Manhattan/K-State campus streetcar, but only if Nuts Kicked pitches in.
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Only on goEMAW.com could a thread that began with such interesting and exciting factoids as these:
Other news from GPC...
"If you are out of town you might not have heard the following: 1) Civics Plus the local software co just broke ground on a new 5 story office building to be located where the current Manhattan Appliance store is located downtown close to the Hilton Garden.They will employ about 250. Ground floor will be retail and resstarauts. 2) the vacant lot on the north west side of the Hilton Garden Inn will have a new four story appartment building owned by Hilton 3) local developer just broke ground on a five story mixed use building directly across the street on east side of Hilton Garden Inn. Ground floor will be retail and restaraunts. Upper floors office and apartments. Also GTM announced a major expansion to their current location. Another local firm is about to announce a major expansion with several hundred new jobs . Good stuff"
link for the design plans for the aggieville hotel: http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/12558
Denigrate into an 8 page thread about a bus system. :facepalm:
The City of Manhappiness is adding hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in private capital investment. BUT Ames has a bus and we can't feel bigtime without one! JFC, do you guys have any idea how stupid you sound?
The bus is for fat lazy losers and bums. If you live far away from campus drive to the stadium or foundation and take the shuttle you tards. The last thing Manhattan needs is a bunch of empty buses congesting traffic and stinking up the town with burnt propane, or whatever. See the absurd bus system in Lawrence as case study #1 on why you don't want a bus.
Would take the coal train however, just because its funny looking and probably a blast.
FYI, in "urban development" there's no such thing as too much covered parking. Surface lots are the enemy.
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i dunno if mhk needs a bus or not. but i do know that it's hard to get buses right. i've lived in lots of places with buses where the buses were damn near useless and unused. fresno is a good example. there's an fairly extensive bus system that very few people use (myself included). if you can't run a system where buses come by every 15 minutes or less (maybe 10 or less), you probably don't have enough ridership to justify the route.
i'm going to walk 3 miles to the airport tomorrow, instead of taking the bus. because it'd take me twice as long to walk to a bus stop, wait for the bus, take it to the transfer, wait for the transfer, then take it to the airport.
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I had a dream about hopping on a moving cable car on campus a few months ago. TY for making me remember that.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
idk, I am glad we aren't a Interstate exit town like Lawrence and Columbia. No LHC Bill Snyder Memorial highway.
totally agree on the streetcars. Townies should look at this issue as an opportunity to dictate the locations of the coming student ghettos.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
I am so glad I-70 doesn't go through Manhattan. So glad.
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The City of Manhappiness is adding hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in private capital investment. BUT Ames has a bus and we can't feel bigtime without one! JFC, do you guys have any idea how stupid you sound?
I don't know, modern, public transportation is kind of important in most progressive cities that I know of. Especially, those growing at the rate Manhattan is and with a University that publicly aspires to be a top 50 public institution.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
I am so glad I-70 doesn't go through Manhattan. So glad.
I didn't say it should go through town. But ten miles off the interstate was a small timey idea iyam.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
I am so glad I-70 doesn't go through Manhattan. So glad.
I didn't say it should go through town. But ten miles off the interstate was a small timey idea iyam.
I don't want Manhattan to be salina + a college
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I don't want Manhattan to be salina + a college
yes, tread very carefully with this cozy inn crap
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Im still catching up, but they tried this in Hutchinson and three bikes got stolen on the first day.
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Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes)
Im still catching up, but they tried this in Hutchinson and three bikes got stolen on the first day.
Too much crime in Hutch when even bikes aren't safe. Never thought of Hutch as unsafe until now.
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they should do a subsidized, city-run, zipcar-like rental program. hire like 6 guys to shuttle the cars around and to serve as cheap taxi drivers during alcoholic hours. plus like one peak hours route of mini-bus shuttles that would also serve to link the car rental lots.
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cable car
Removing the electric streetcars from MHK was almost as dumb as deliberately keeping i-70 away from town.
idk, I am glad we aren't a Interstate exit town like Lawrence and Columbia. No LHC Bill Snyder Memorial highway.
totally agree on the streetcars. Townies should look at this issue as an opportunity to dictate the locations of the coming student ghettos.
Or name I-70 as the LHC Bill Snyder Freeway? That would ACTUALLY be elite...
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zipcar
Biggest ripoff ever but great business concept. Take advantage of rich white people willing to grossly overpay for a product in an already over saturated market in the name of being trendy.
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zipcar
Biggest ripoff ever but great business concept. Take advantage of rich white people willing to grossly overpay for a product in an already over saturated market in the name of being trendy.
i dunno what they charge, but the idea makes sense to me for dense urban areas.
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my sister lives carless in downtown chicago and she says she uses zipcars to do grocery shopping type stuff. makes sense. can't really bring a whole crap ton of groceries on the train.
kind of makes sense. i guess she could get a cab
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The City of Manhappiness is adding hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in private capital investment. BUT Ames has a bus and we can't feel bigtime without one! JFC, do you guys have any idea how stupid you sound?
I don't know, modern, public transportation is kind of important in most progressive cities that I know of. Especially, those growing at the rate Manhattan is and with a University that publicly aspires to be a top 50 public institution.
You should read this out loud so you know what stupid sounds like.
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The City of Manhappiness is adding hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in private capital investment. BUT Ames has a bus and we can't feel bigtime without one! JFC, do you guys have any idea how stupid you sound?
I don't know, modern, public transportation is kind of important in most progressive cities that I know of. Especially, those growing at the rate Manhattan is and with a University that publicly aspires to be a top 50 public institution.
You should read this out loud so you know what stupid sounds like.
Lol. Public transportation in modern cities is pretty stupid stuff.
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The City of Manhappiness is adding hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in private capital investment. BUT Ames has a bus and we can't feel bigtime without one! JFC, do you guys have any idea how stupid you sound?
I don't know, modern, public transportation is kind of important in most progressive cities that I know of. Especially, those growing at the rate Manhattan is and with a University that publicly aspires to be a top 50 public institution.
You should read this out loud so you know what stupid sounds like.
Lol. Public transportation in modern cities is pretty stupid stuff.
This too.
You've lost your premise.
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just give up wabash, foxnews has told him public transportation is a tool of the liberal agenda so he can't support it.
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just give up wabash, foxnews has told him public transportation is a tool of the liberal agenda so he can't support it.
That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
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just give up wabash, foxnews has told him public transportation is a tool of the liberal agenda so he can't support it.
That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
I don't know what else I can say to keep this kind of posting going. I mean its just epic.
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just give up wabash, foxnews has told him public transportation is a tool of the liberal agenda so he can't support it.
That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Hahaha. Just. Wow.
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just give up wabash, foxnews has told him public transportation is a tool of the liberal agenda so he can't support it.
That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Hahaha. Just. Wow.
Also this
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i dunno if mhk needs a bus or not. but i do know that it's hard to get buses right. i've lived in lots of places with buses where the buses were damn near useless and unused. fresno is a good example. there's an fairly extensive bus system that very few people use (myself included). if you can't run a system where buses come by every 15 minutes or less (maybe 10 or less), you probably don't have enough ridership to justify the route.
i'm going to walk 3 miles to the airport tomorrow, instead of taking the bus. because it'd take me twice as long to walk to a bus stop, wait for the bus, take it to the transfer, wait for the transfer, then take it to the airport.
If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
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Good God :sdeek:
Somebody lock this down, immediately.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
it would be a pretty good solution for fresno if people wouldn't steal the bikes and sell them for scrap metal, but they would. fresno's a very european city.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
it would be a pretty good solution for fresno if people wouldn't steal the bikes and sell them for scrap metal, but they would. fresno's a very european city.
Residents should just buy a bike and a good bike lock and traverse that way. Visitors? Not so sure. :dunno:
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Residents should just buy a bike and a good bike lock and traverse that way. Visitors? Not so sure. :dunno:
i had a guy offer to sell me a nice bike for $10 just the other day! not sure what point the lock would serve though.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
it would be a pretty good solution for fresno if people wouldn't steal the bikes and sell them for scrap metal, but they would. fresno's a very european city.
You would have to have a deposit that costs more than the bike is worth.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
The Manhattan Airport is about 7-10 miles from town, depending on where you live. So, yeah, it's just a quick 10 minute bike ride... if you're flying through manhattan at about 50-60mph.
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That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Public transportation in a college town is dumb. :lol:
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “I’m considering K-State but I don’t have a car”.
K-State: “We’re all about attracting the best and brightest and elevating our University profile in the next 20 years. But as a freshman, we’re probably not be going to be able to get you housing on campus and we don’t have any way for you to actually get to campus or way for you to gain access to basic services within the community. Maybe just buy a car or a hover board”.
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “Thanks”.
K-State: “No problem”.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
The Manhattan Airport is about 7-10 miles from town, depending on where you live. So, yeah, it's just a quick 10 minute bike ride... if you're flying through manhattan at about 50-60mph.
Sys said he lives 3 miles from the airport . . . in Fresno . . .
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
The Manhattan Airport is about 7-10 miles from town, depending on where you live. So, yeah, it's just a quick 10 minute bike ride... if you're flying through manhattan at about 50-60mph.
Sys said he lives 3 miles from the airport . . . in Fresno . . .
Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
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Hutchinson has bike sharing? Holy crap.
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That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Public transportation in a college town is dumb. :lol:
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “I’m considering K-State but I don’t have a car”.
K-State: “We’re all about attracting the best and brightest and elevating our University profile in the next 20 years. But as a freshman, we’re probably not be going to be able to get you housing on campus and we don’t have any way for you to actually get to campus or way for you to gain access to basic services within the community. Maybe just buy a car or a hover board”.
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “Thanks”.
K-State: “No problem”.
You are really creating a problem that just doesn't exist here. Most top notch students with tons of options are not going to choose K-State, and a mass transit system is not going to be the deciding factor. If you can't live on campus, just find a house or apartment right next to campus. It's not hard at all. Also, the university not having enough housing for incoming freshmen seems like a completely different problem than needing a mass transit system. Maybe the university should build a new dorm. I mean, at least those actually make money.
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That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Public transportation in a college town is dumb. :lol:
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “I’m considering K-State but I don’t have a car”.
K-State: “We’re all about attracting the best and brightest and elevating our University profile in the next 20 years. But as a freshman, we’re probably not be going to be able to get you housing on campus and we don’t have any way for you to actually get to campus or way for you to gain access to basic services within the community. Maybe just buy a car or a hover board”.
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “Thanks”.
K-State: “No problem”.
Can't we just take a bunch of 2-star and 3-star students and coach 'em up? I honestly don't want a bunch of hotshots feeling all entitled over my quaint little campus.
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
Oh my God, he was being serious. :lol:
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That's right, public transportation is the catalyst for growth and development in City's of ~50,000 in size. Manhattan being the anomoly.
Can't have a top 50 research university without buses.
The stupidity is just unfathomable. :facepalm:
Public transportation in a college town is dumb. :lol:
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “I’m considering K-State but I don’t have a car”.
K-State: “We’re all about attracting the best and brightest and elevating our University profile in the next 20 years. But as a freshman, we’re probably not be going to be able to get you housing on campus and we don’t have any way for you to actually get to campus or way for you to gain access to basic services within the community. Maybe just buy a car or a hover board”.
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “Thanks”.
K-State: “No problem”.
You are really creating a problem that just doesn't exist here. Most top notch students with tons of options are not going to choose K-State, and a mass transit system is not going to be the deciding factor. If you can't live on campus, just find a house or apartment right next to campus. It's not hard at all. Also, the university not having enough housing for incoming freshmen seems like a completely different problem than needing a mass transit system. Maybe the university should build a new dorm. I mean, at least those actually make money.
pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
The Manhattan Airport is about 7-10 miles from town, depending on where you live. So, yeah, it's just a quick 10 minute bike ride... if you're flying through manhattan at about 50-60mph.
Sys said he lives 3 miles from the airport . . . in Fresno . . .
You said a bike share to the airport "seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities" . . . like Manhattan . . .
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
You could get a bike bag (see pic), and I would assume that any city that actually put a bike share depot at its airport would also make sure that there is a way to actually get there without having to ride a bike down an interstate.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Flearn%2Fexpert-advice%2Fbike-bags-racks%2F_jcr_content%2Fimages%2Fimage.img.jpg%2FBike%2520Bag.jpg&hash=9bfe5c41ebf73de2f22460d84eccdfe3beaff2d3)
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Also, let's put something into perspective here. "Mass transit system" in a city of 50,000 could be a fleet of 5-10 busses. I'm not talking about building a subway through campus.
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If you had a depot where you could check out a bike within a quarter mile of your house, and another depot to return it at the airport, you could make that trip in roughly 10 minutes. I'm not saying that's the solution for Fresno, but it seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities like Manhattan.
The Manhattan Airport is about 7-10 miles from town, depending on where you live. So, yeah, it's just a quick 10 minute bike ride... if you're flying through manhattan at about 50-60mph.
Sys said he lives 3 miles from the airport . . . in Fresno . . .
You said a bike share to the airport "seems like a pretty good idea for smaller communities" . . . like Manhattan . . .
Yeah, well you could ride 10 miles in 30 minutes easily, which is about the same amount of time it would take you to ride a bus to the airport by the time you walk to the bus stop, wait 15-20 minutes for the bus to arrive, and then ride on a bus that stops a few more times along the way. Really, though, a bike system should be used to connect residential neighborhoods to bus depots 2-3 miles away to maximize use and minimize stops. I support a bus system, just not a K-State funded bus system.
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
You could get a bike bag (see pic), and I would assume that any city that actually put a bike share depot at its airport would also make sure that there is a way to actually get there without having to ride a bike down an interstate.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Flearn%2Fexpert-advice%2Fbike-bags-racks%2F_jcr_content%2Fimages%2Fimage.img.jpg%2FBike%2520Bag.jpg&hash=9bfe5c41ebf73de2f22460d84eccdfe3beaff2d3)
Problem solved.
Let me just hop on my 10 speed and peddle on down to the airport in my slacks, sport jacket, and dress shoes with my computer bag and and carry on stuffed into a couple bike bags. Oh, and it's February and I've got a 6.30AM departure. Seems pretty practical.
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
You could get a bike bag (see pic), and I would assume that any city that actually put a bike share depot at its airport would also make sure that there is a way to actually get there without having to ride a bike down an interstate.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Flearn%2Fexpert-advice%2Fbike-bags-racks%2F_jcr_content%2Fimages%2Fimage.img.jpg%2FBike%2520Bag.jpg&hash=9bfe5c41ebf73de2f22460d84eccdfe3beaff2d3)
Problem solved.
Let me just hop on my 10 speed and peddle on down to the airport in my slacks, sport jacket, and dress shoes with my computer bag and and carry on stuffed into a couple bike bags. Oh, and it's February and I've got a 6.30AM departure. Seems pretty practical.
don't forget the part where we get the city to build a bike trail out to the airport so that we aren't riding our bikes on the major highway with cars going 70mph.
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Wait, are you actually serious about riding a bike to an airport?
I don't see why not. :dunno:
of all the places in the world to ride a bike to, an airport might actually be the dumbest one. hey don't mind me over here on a major highway riding my bike to an airport with only one hand on the handle bars because the other one is holding my carry on.
You could get a bike bag (see pic), and I would assume that any city that actually put a bike share depot at its airport would also make sure that there is a way to actually get there without having to ride a bike down an interstate.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Flearn%2Fexpert-advice%2Fbike-bags-racks%2F_jcr_content%2Fimages%2Fimage.img.jpg%2FBike%2520Bag.jpg&hash=9bfe5c41ebf73de2f22460d84eccdfe3beaff2d3)
This seems like something that you'd see in North Korea or the Congo. people riding their bikes to an air strip, via dirt trail through the hills.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2F100386332-north-koreans-on-bicycle_240x160_zpsdeab2c7d.jpg&hash=3149eb721384321f61c5b1a40fc35c8f06db5e25)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fimages-2_zps0e17791d.jpg&hash=dbdc317fc7b996c6c2458e0c3c39eb59339a7d69)
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I'm literally L'ingOL at this thread.
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or San Francisco
http://sfist.com/2011/08/19/now_you_can_ride_your_bike_to_the_a.php (http://sfist.com/2011/08/19/now_you_can_ride_your_bike_to_the_a.php)
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or San Francisco
http://sfist.com/2011/08/19/now_you_can_ride_your_bike_to_the_a.php (http://sfist.com/2011/08/19/now_you_can_ride_your_bike_to_the_a.php)
Well played...
"intrepid bicycle commuter (and SFist commenter) John Murphy has given the new lanes a test drive and has some feedback to share with the bike activists over at Streetsblog. Observe: The new bike lane through here is completely asinine."
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
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Well played...
"intrepid bicycle commuter (and SFist commenter) John Murphy has given the new lanes a test drive and has some feedback to share with the bike activists over at Streetsblog. Observe: The new bike lane through here is completely asinine."
I saw that, but I'm sure it will get better over time. When Manhattan finally gets a new bus system, I'm sure it will be very easy to get a handful of townies to comment on how asinine it is.
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
because the student population would use it too. Lets not make it seem like the Manhattan metro could survive right now without the University there. Students have used the ata bus system when they have gone out to UC with great success.
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You are really creating a problem that just doesn't exist here. Most top notch students with tons of options are not going to choose K-State, and a mass transit system is not going to be the deciding factor. If you can't live on campus, just find a house or apartment right next to campus. It's not hard at all. Also, the university not having enough housing for incoming freshmen seems like a completely different problem than needing a mass transit system. Maybe the university should build a new dorm. I mean, at least those actually make money.
1. Your long term goal for the university is to simply settle for status quo mediocrity. Go ahead and send the memo over the Animal to put a halt on 2025, because it aint happening and we're wasting our time pouring resources into it.
2. If you don't have a car, renting an apartment near campus because K-State can't provide student housing on campus attempts to solve one part of the problem. Getting to a job and access to basic services in the community is equally important to students that don't have a car and far more difficult without public transportation options.
3. Yes, the university should be building more on campus housing.
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
because the student population would use it too. Lets not make it seem like the Manhattan metro could survive right now without the University there. Students have used the ata bus system when they have gone out to UC with great success.
Students would also pay fares, sales tax, and have their rent set based upon property taxes, so I guess I just don't see why you think they should pay a larger share through increased tuition than other Manhattan residents who see the same, if not a greater, benefit.
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
because the student population would use it too. Lets not make it seem like the Manhattan metro could survive right now without the University there. Students have used the ata bus system when they have gone out to UC with great success.
Students would also pay fares, sales tax, and have their rent set based upon property taxes, so I guess I just don't see why you think they should pay a larger share through increased tuition than other Manhattan residents who see the same, if not a greater, benefit.
Manhattan residents and students will both receive the benefits and should both contribute, thus the Manhattan / K-State partnership.
The most sensible option is to do what Iowa State and Oklahoma State have done in adopting a student privilege fee (just like what you currently pay to fund an expansion to the Rec which you may or may not use) and allow for free ridership to all students. The Manhattan community would pay for ridership, most likely a percentage sales tax increase of some sort, and would receive federal subsistence.
This isn't a complex problem or ridiculous proposition. And for a real starter system to get up and running, we're probably talking about 10-15 buses.
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
because the student population would use it too. Lets not make it seem like the Manhattan metro could survive right now without the University there. Students have used the ata bus system when they have gone out to UC with great success.
Students would also pay fares, sales tax, and have their rent set based upon property taxes, so I guess I just don't see why you think they should pay a larger share through increased tuition than other Manhattan residents who see the same, if not a greater, benefit.
Because students wouldn't pay fares. Hence, the student fee. Say you impose an annual transit fee of $15/per student, or $1 per credit hour. Welp, there's a +$300K annual funding source. I'm not sure how much it would cost to fund a fleet of 10 city buses and say, 20 stations. If you got funding from feds, state, I think you could balance the remainder of the funding between City property taxes and student fees and it wouldn't be burdensome in the slightest.
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pretty k-state0 attitude
Also lets not forget that Riley is one of the poorest states in KS. The general community would see a great benefit from public transportation. Only a dumbass would think that it doesn't help a poor community. People need to get to jobs, public transportation makes that cheaper and easier. It increases the labor supply, makes it easier for people to get to better jobs which might be across town, and gives employers a more diverse work pool.
Those seem like pretty good reasons for the city of Manhattan to fund a bus system. I'm not sure why you think K-State should be contributing, though.
because the student population would use it too. Lets not make it seem like the Manhattan metro could survive right now without the University there. Students have used the ata bus system when they have gone out to UC with great success.
Students would also pay fares, sales tax, and have their rent set based upon property taxes, so I guess I just don't see why you think they should pay a larger share through increased tuition than other Manhattan residents who see the same, if not a greater, benefit.
big issue, they would probably use it a disproportionately larger amount and second two funding issues. Students don't pay property taxes and the university I thought had some weird sales tax rules they were exempt from, not retail sales obviously.
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Let me just hop on my 10 speed and peddle on down to the airport in my slacks, sport jacket, and dress shoes with my computer bag and and carry on stuffed into a couple bike bags. Oh, and it's February and I've got a 6.30AM departure. Seems pretty practical.
biking to the airport is obviously Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in mhk. but hey, putting a bus system in mhk is marginal at best as well. public transport of any kind is marginal at best in a midwestern american town of 50k.
in fresno, biking to the airport would have been great for me, yesterday, and would probably be useful in general. lots of people go to airports for reasons other than flying. hundreds of employees, me yesterday to rent a car, etc. plus the airport isn't out in the middle of nowhere, there's offices and crap all around it.
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Public transportation in a college town is dumb. :lol:
Top Notch Student with A Lot of University Academic Options: “I’m considering K-State but I don’t have a car”.
K-State: “We’re all about attracting the best and brightest and elevating our University profile in the next 20 years. But as a freshman, we’re probably not be going to be able to get you housing on campus and we don’t have any way for you to actually get to campus or way for you to gain access to basic services within the community. Maybe just buy a car or a hover board”.
it'd probably be cheaper just to loan all of the top notchers a car for 4 years.
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You would have to have a deposit that costs more than the bike is worth.
i don't think most of the bike thieves are bike share patrons.
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big issue, they would probably use it a disproportionately larger amount and second two funding issues. Students don't pay property taxes and the university I thought had some weird sales tax rules they were exempt from, not retail sales obviously.
In Ames, which is being used as the golden standard for us to model our system off of, 48% of the riders are students. This is with a large campus that needs its own transit system to get students from class to class, and also with rules making it illegal for students living in Ames to park their cars on campus. I would expect students to make up about 25% of the ridership in Manhattan, because we allow residents to drive to campus and park, and our campus is not big enough to make a bus system necessary. Also, why is it better to not charge students bus fares? Why not just let them purchase a bus pass for the year, just like they are currently purchasing parking passes?
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Also, why is it better to not charge students bus fares? Why not just let them purchase a bus pass for the year, just like they are currently purchasing parking passes?
if you're going to have it, you have to incentive use. making it free to use, and charging students via fees and townies via taxes would be an easy way to do that.
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Also, why is it better to not charge students bus fares? Why not just let them purchase a bus pass for the year, just like they are currently purchasing parking passes?
if you're going to have it, you have to incentive use. making it free to use, and charging students via fees and townies via taxes would be an easy way to do that.
The students already pay the same taxes the townies do, though. Property tax is built into rent.
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i think we should charge out of towners for it. hotel and rental car taxes.
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The students already pay the same taxes the townies do, though. Property tax is built into rent.
who cares, charge them triple if you can.
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i think we should charge out of towners for it. hotel and rental car taxes.
per ticket stadium infrastructure fees.
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big issue, they would probably use it a disproportionately larger amount and second two funding issues. Students don't pay property taxes and the university I thought had some weird sales tax rules they were exempt from, not retail sales obviously.
In Ames, which is being used as the golden standard for us to model our system off of, 48% of the riders are students. This is with a large campus that needs its own transit system to get students from class to class, and also with rules making it illegal for students living in Ames to park their cars on campus. I would expect students to make up about 25% of the ridership in Manhattan, because we allow residents to drive to campus and park, and our campus is not big enough to make a bus system necessary. Also, why is it better to not charge students bus fares? Why not just let them purchase a bus pass for the year, just like they are currently purchasing parking passes?
people also need to realize that there are services here already and just need to be expanded. From 2nd hand info, its been used heavily by students when it goes to areas they need.
http://www.rileycountyks.gov/index.aspx?nid=795
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There is nothing sexy about riding a bus. Realistically I think a street car system is the only realistic way to get something going, plus it would be unique and after the higher initial investment it would cost far less to operate over time and be more reliable.
You could have a campus loop that runs around campus up to BSFS and the hospital and back down to anderson.
A Townie loop that runs Anderson/blumont to 4th, down poyntz and up to the high school/ down sunset.
If we're going for the gold a Straight line that runs past RCPD/RCJ out to the airport and then the ogden gate of ft. Riley and back would be huge to making this a completely self sufficient system. People coming/going via the airport would have no need to rent a car.
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one time i think i saw a dead homeless person on a bus but i didnt poke it or anything to be sure.
hopefully sleeping.
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one time i think i saw a dead homeless person on a bus but i didnt poke it or anything to be sure.
hopefully sleeping.
probably passed out
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There is nothing sexy about riding a bus. Realistically I think a street car system is the only realistic way to get something going, plus it would be unique and after the higher initial investment it would cost far less to operate over time and be more reliable.
The Kansas City streetcar plan is $100mil for 2 miles.
definitely sexier, more efficient, more cost effective long term, etc. But, not realistic in Manhattan - 50,000 people.
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Hutchinson has bike sharing? Holy crap.
Had. Pretty sure they didn't restart it after the initial bikes were stolen the first week.
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There is nothing sexy about riding a bus. Realistically I think a street car system is the only realistic way to get something going, plus it would be unique and after the higher initial investment it would cost far less to operate over time and be more reliable.
You could have a campus loop that runs around campus up to BSFS and the hospital and back down to anderson.
A Townie loop that runs Anderson/blumont to 4th, down poyntz and up to the high school/ down sunset.
If we're going for the gold a Straight line that runs past RCPD/RCJ out to the airport and then the ogden gate of ft. Riley and back would be huge to making this a completely self sufficient system. People coming/going via the airport would have no need to rent a car.
what you're describing would cost like a billion dollars
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downtown KC has those bike rental kiosk thingies. never used them but I imagine that they would be great in conjunction with a comprehensive public transportation system. which makes you wonder why KC has them. I remember seeing them in DC and New York just outside of subway stations and people used them like crazy.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary.
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There is nothing sexy about riding a bus. Realistically I think a street car system is the only realistic way to get something going, plus it would be unique and after the higher initial investment it would cost far less to operate over time and be more reliable.
The Kansas City streetcar plan is $100mil for 2 miles.
definitely sexier, more efficient, more cost effective long term, etc. But, not realistic in Manhattan - 50,000 people.
Kansas city is using super high end street cars that are closer to light rail.
Little Rock's 3.4 Mile street car system cost 19.6 million, including all planning, design and infrastructure upgrades. Not to mention it crosses the Arkansas River on a dedicated bridge.
The initial infastructure (car barn, transformer station etc..) is the expensive part, adding track and overhead wires costs less than building a 1 lane road.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary.
The elected City Council unanimously disagrees.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary.
The elected City Council unanimously disagrees.
yeah its a huge deal for K-State to get that airport updated. But it is great watching massive army transports come in on such a small time runway.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary.
The elected City Council unanimously disagrees.
Passed over your head like the purple line, from Aggieville to Anderson.
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Air travel, in general is very dumb. Just drive. It's not like we don't have roads and highways.
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Guys the bike exchange in Minneapolis is ridiculously elite and MHK should be so lucky.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
That's great. The airport needs to get to work because Manhattan is growing.
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Total waste of money. Name one benefit of a bigger airport in a town of 50,000.
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Hey, wabash909, what percentage of these airport renovations were funded by Kansas State University? The university sees a benefit, so surely the city made the students pay a larger share for it than the townies.
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Air travel, in general is very dumb. Just drive. It's not like we don't have roads and highways.
time is most valuable. if i can save a significant amount of time by flying, i fly.
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Hey, wabash909, what percentage of these airport renovations were funded by Kansas State University? The university sees a benefit, so surely the city made the students pay a larger share for it than the townies.
The townies and students will both pay for it through higher taxes. How do you think a $50,000,000 construction project in a college town of 50,000 is going to get paid for? :lol:
The funny thing is the ridiculously stupid idea that an expanded airport in Manhattan (that will be subsidized by Manhattan tax payers) mostly benefitting Fort Riley and a small percentage of area business travelers is viewed as a community asset and public transportation is viewed as frivlolous and unnecessary.
The dumbassery is really good for a laugh, fellas.
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are there any recent documents on the airport upgrade? all i've found are ones from late 2011.
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From my understanding, the airport upgrade was part of the bid to get the NBAF. So Wabash, the NBAF would be a benefit of having a bigger airport in a town of 50k
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An airport upgrade seems like something that would take some time to implement and needs to be done before it becomes absolutely necessary. A bus system doesn't really seem like it would take more than a few months to implement, so I guess I just don't see why K-State needs one right now just because they have a plan for 2025. I think our growing enrollment is largely due to tuition at Kansas State being more affordable than tuition at KU. I don't see why we would want K-State to be increasing tuition, even at a token amount, for a bus system that isn't going to have a major impact at the university level.
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From Sept. 2012.
Overall, the expansion project will require a lot of money from the city to match the FAA grant that is the majority of the funding for the project.
Matta believes that if the extension of a half-percent sales tax proposed by the commission passes in November, it can be a good source of income for the city to help cover the costs the project will demand over the next couple of years.
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2012/09/12/first-step-in-manhattan-regional-airport-expansion-begins-with-unanimous-vote/ (http://www.kstatecollegian.com/2012/09/12/first-step-in-manhattan-regional-airport-expansion-begins-with-unanimous-vote/)
By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis). My sarcasm is directed at the hilarious notion that a community asset like public transportation that will positively impact the city as a whole and university is conversly viewed by the hypocrites on here as frivolous and completely unnecessary.
I guess what it really boils down to is airplanes being cool and buses are for the poors.
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I guess what it really boils down to airplanes being cool and buses are for the poors.
The word.
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MHK also recently announced plans to expand the airport by like 1500%
No word on whether its contingent on public bus system or weird bike cooperative. In case any of you dumbfucks were curious.
Why is little ole MHK Regional expanding?
To make room for the Greyhound Station (so poor people from surrounding areas can easily get to the airport for vacation and business trips), bus depot/wash (for the public bus transit MHK cannot live with out) and to add a bike rack and deposit refund station for the public bike exchange. Also in the plans, a planetarium to attract super academic types to campus.
But mostly, to restore existing infrastructure and expand to meet current/anticipated needs.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary.
The elected City Council unanimously disagrees.
Passed over your head like the purple line, from Aggieville to Anderson.
On the contrary, you and like 4 other doods on this board are the only ones who think MHK "needs" a bus system.
It's nothing but a worthless amenity at the present time. Deal with it.
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Hey, wabash909, what percentage of these airport renovations were funded by Kansas State University? The university sees a benefit, so surely the city made the students pay a larger share for it than the townies.
A fairly large portion, I would guess. As you know, the bulk of the expansion will be paid for by the FAA, but the portions of the funding that Manhattan is obligated to match will be paid for by parking fees and, ideally, a .5 cent sales tax in Manhattan (Commission waqs supposed to vote in November, '12). Manhattan population was 52,281 as of 2010 census - including both the student body population and Ft. Riley personnel living in Manhattan. Therefore, yes, the students will be generating over 50% of that sales tax revenue that the City will be handing over to the MHK expansion.
Likewise, with a manhattan bus system that services the University, the students and faculty (over 50% of the manhattan population) should be tasked with providing some $$$ for the system. I think either increased student fees with free fare or no student fees with paid fare are both options. imposing an 1/8 cent tax on hotel and rental cars could generate some substantial funding as well for the system.
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Hey, wabash909, what percentage of these airport renovations were funded by Kansas State University? The university sees a benefit, so surely the city made the students pay a larger share for it than the townies.
The townies and students will both pay for it through higher taxes. How do you think a $50,000,000 construction project in a college town of 50,000 is going to get paid for? :lol:
The funny thing is the ridiculously stupid idea that an expanded airport in Manhattan (that will be subsidized by Manhattan tax payers) mostly benefitting Fort Riley and a small percentage of area business travelers is viewed as a community asset and public transportation is viewed as frivlolous and unnecessary.
The dumbassery is really good for a laugh, fellas.
This is actually a great point.
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The funny thing is the ridiculously stupid idea that an expanded airport in Manhattan (that will be subsidized by Manhattan tax payers) mostly benefitting Fort Riley and a small percentage of area business travelers is viewed as a community asset and public transportation is viewed as frivlolous and unnecessary.
classicism, misplaced snobbery
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
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what sales tax do you guys currently pay?
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Lodging tax is currently over 13% which is on par with or more than most resort areas. I don't think increasing that to pay for everything in Manhattan is going to be an option forever.
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Damn, actually pretty expensive
http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/faq.aspx?TID=0&searchTerms=pottawatomie
What is the sales tax rate paid by citizens?
State of Kansas sales tax = 6.3%
Both Riley County/Pottawatomie retail sales tax = 1.0%
(NOTE: For January, February, and March, the Riley County sales tax will decrease to .50% decreasing the total sales tax rate to 8.05% and 8.55% in the Downtown Redevelopment area. Sales tax rates will increase back to the original percentage on April 1, 2013.)
City of Manhattan sales tax = 1.0%
Quality of life sales tax = .25%
Total sales tax rate = 8.55%
Limey Pointe Transportation Development District sales tax = .50%
Quality of life sales tax = .25%
Total sales tax rate for Limey Pointe shoppers = 9.05%
Downtown Redevelopment Transportation Development District sales tax = .50%
Quality of life sales tax = .25%
Total sales tax for Downtown Redevelopment shoppers = 9.05%
You can click the link below for a map of the sales tax districts.
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that is pretty high, i'd guess that's probably the ceiling for a town like MHK. my neighborhood is ~10.5% in KC which seems ridiculous.
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my neighborhood is ~10.5% in KC which seems ridiculous.
:sdeek: Christ, its KC not Palm Springs. Damn
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Total waste of money. Name one benefit of a bigger airport in a town of 50,000.
Chili's Too??? :excited:
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
junction city and wamego taxes are already really high as well. higher than mhk i think. i want to tax people from out of the area. really stick it to them.
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someone told me sales tax at village west in KC is 11% :sdeek:
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
junction city and wamego taxes are already really high as well. higher than mhk i think. i want to tax people from out of the area. really stick it to them.
Have we thought about guns?
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
junction city and wamego taxes are already really high as well. higher than mhk i think. i want to tax people from out of the area. really stick it to them.
5% lodging tax (13% total on a hotel room) is sticking it to them
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
junction city and wamego taxes are already really high as well. higher than mhk i think. i want to tax people from out of the area. really stick it to them.
13% lodging tax is sticking it to them
yes. certainly a start.
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Yeah, but everyone will be happy to pay more taxes when they hear that Manhattan can have big timey buses!
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If manhattan starts getting direct flights from Denver again, they can stick it to me on taxes for those.
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If we can have big timey buses they can stick it square in my ass.
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
Hey Daris stay the eff out of Wichita then. :shakesfist:
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It's time to rename this section of Manhattan to something more joyous and innocent.
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How about we tax shi in Lawrence to pay for MHK?? Anyone thought of that yet?? :fatty:
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$1 to enter Manhattan. Put a toll booth on all highways into town. Boom, airport paid for.
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10% extra special tax on all Texas Roadhouse purchases. That should do it.
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12% sales tax in Manhattan unless you can present a K-State student ID or proof of residency in Riley County
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By the way, I'm 100% in support of expanding the airport and paying for it through a sales tax by the townies and students. It's absolutely a community asset that will positively impact the city as a whole and university (even though 99% of the students will never use it on a daily basis).
taxes are already pretty high in mhk. i'd try to tax all the losers that don't live in mhk but come to mhk a lot and benefit from everything that mhk has to offer while driving on our roads and using our services while they are here. maybe a special game day tax where taxes are 1% higher on game days or a hotel tax or rental car tax or something. leave the townies and students alone. they already do enough.
I agree, but I don't know how much could conceivably be raised through hotel or rental car taxes. The real problem is that there's no regional tax for a regional asset. This airport is used by residents of all the surrounding communities, Salina, Junction City, Wamego, etc., but they aren't contributing. The only way to capture their dollars is to tax them when they come to Manhattan and buy crap. Unfortunately, this affects local residents too. I'm not sure what the solution is.
Geary and Pottawatomie counties are going to share the cost of the Metropolitan Planning Organization needed in Manhattan now and in the past both stepped up with tax money to guarantee a base revenue for the American Eagle flights.
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If manhattan starts getting direct flights from Denver again, they can stick it to me on taxes for those.
whats the latest on this?
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So, have we figured out how to get rid of Cozy Inn yet?
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So, have we figured out how to get rid of Cozy Inn yet?
Disrupt their onion supplier.
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Gondolas?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fqandmunitedpartners.com%2Fimages%2Fgulmarg-gandola.jpg&hash=70e92675ebd631a1e823379abd43c8feb514a0c5)
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:love:
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If manhattan starts getting direct flights from Denver again, they can stick it to me on taxes for those.
whats the latest on this?
Not currently on the table. Anyone for Atlanta?
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You've got to have gondolas for when the gully washers come.
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If manhattan starts getting direct flights from Denver again, they can stick it to me on taxes for those.
whats the latest on this?
Not currently on the table. Anyone for Atlanta?
I like Atlanta.
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If manhattan starts getting direct flights from Denver again, they can stick it to me on taxes for those.
whats the latest on this?
Not currently on the table. Anyone for Atlanta?
I like Atlanta.
With Southwest taking Airtran's service to Wichita and expanding the market share there are no planned increases in MHK flights or new destinations at this time.
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Bendy buses! :drool:
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_f809f086-6a5b-11e2-bfa4-001a4bcf887a.html
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That's pretty cool HAVS!