Author Topic: Manhattan Development & Aggieville Parking (Read 35461 times)

CNS · « **Reply #125 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:23:07 PM »

The city doesn't want the students to infiltrate the rest of town and leave a bunch of trash and have orgies on the front lawns like they do in Aggieville and it's surrounding slums. The lack of a bus makes student trash orgies much less likely the further from campus you are.

Don't think for a minute that this isn't exactly the motivation behind stonewalling pub trans.

DQ12 · « **Reply #126 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:26:40 PM »

Quote from: seven on February 01, 2013, 01:17:07 PM

No one at ku uses the bus to get from class to class

Yeah they do.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #127 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:27:29 PM »

Quote from: CNS Casey on February 01, 2013, 01:23:07 PM

The city doesn't want the students to infiltrate the rest of town and leave a bunch of trash and have orgies on the front lawns like they do in Aggieville and it's surrounding slums. The lack of a bus makes student trash orgies much less likely the further from campus you are.

Don't think for a minute that this isn't exactly the motivation behind stonewalling pub trans.

I'm sure that is a large part of it, and if that is how they feel, fine. The biggest beneficiaries of a bus system would be property owners, especially landlords, and the Aggieville business district. If they don't want to support one, the university doesn't really need it.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #128 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:27:40 PM »

While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)

IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.

http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5

pissclams · « **Reply #129 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:33:57 PM »

the solution is to allow modified golf carts on the roads, those things aren't expensive and would be perfect for the student on the go.

CNS · « **Reply #130 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:36:28 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:33:57 PM

the solution is to allow modified golf carts on the roads, those things aren't expensive and would be perfect for the student on the go.

Yep, also modified golf cart sharing programs with public modified golf cart lots that have modified golf carts available for members to check out in several places across Manhattan.

What if you don't live close to a modified golf cart lot?

pissclams · « **Reply #131 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:37:26 PM »

park & ride

Havs · « **Reply #132 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:38:20 PM »

You guys sound so small-timey. Sheesh.

CNS · « **Reply #133 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:38:52 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on February 01, 2013, 01:37:26 PM

park & ride

But where will they all park?

Back to needing a parking garage. Freems was right!

CNS · « **Reply #134 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:39:28 PM »

Quote from: Haverhill on February 01, 2013, 01:38:20 PM

You guys sound so small-timey. Sheesh.

Please, you guys probably don't even know how to modify a golf cart.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #135 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:40:07 PM »

Kirk Schulz - "We continue to have discussions with the Mayor and City Commission on this very topic. I gave a K-State 2025 update to the Commission several weeks ago, and mentioned that public transportation was critical to our ability to grow as a university in the future. Conversations are continuing, and I am optimistic we are getting close to a solution. However, it is critical that everyone - City of Manhattan and K-State, enter into this as a partnership - this cannot be totally funded by the university."

http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-faculty-chat-president-schulz/

CNS · « **Reply #136 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:41:23 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 01:40:07 PM

Kirk Schulz - "We continue to have discussions with the Mayor and City Commission on this very topic. I gave a K-State 2025 update to the Commission several weeks ago, and mentioned that public transportation was critical to our ability to grow as a university in the future. Conversations are continuing, and I am optimistic we are getting close to a solution. However, it is critical that everyone - City of Manhattan and K-State, enter into this as a partnership - this cannot be totally funded by the university."

http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-faculty-chat-president-schulz/

How hard does the city commission laugh about this once Shulzy leaves? I bet a lot.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #137 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:42:48 PM »

Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #138 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:43:15 PM »

Graduate Student Council Graduate Student Council asks: President Schulz, Will K-State ever have a campus transportation system similar to what the University of Kansas offers? Especially, transportation to and from Aggieville and the Rec Complex.

Kirk Schulz This is something else we are working on. At Virginia Tech, we had a world-class bus system, which meant that you could get around town and campus with no car. If the population of Manhattan exceeds 50,000 in the next census, we will be able to receive some federal funds to help with a public transportation system.

http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate/

wabash909 · « **Reply #139 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 01:27:40 PM

While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)

IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.

http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5

Good article, Belvis!

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The heart of the document focuses on the CyRide bus system in Ames, Iowa—serving the Ames community and Iowa State University since 1976. CyRide is a special system in that it serves a total population of only 54,000, but sees an annual ridership of 5 million. Their success is based on a longstanding relationship with the community complimented by staff that posses the passion to ensure the highest quality service day-in and day-out. This report discusses the fine details of how that system functions on all levels.

The document concludes with the discussion of Manhattan, Kansas—a city with approximately the same population as Ames, and is home to Kansas State University, which as approximately the same student enrollment as Iowa State. Manhattan currently does not have a transit system, but is seeking to implement one in the coming years.

DQ12 · « **Reply #140 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:44:04 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on February 01, 2013, 01:42:48 PM

Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes

Fwiw, there is something like this that goEMAW.com user Parrot14 is in charge of.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #141 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:45:09 PM »

William Butler asks:I know that this is a very, very tentative question to ask, but if Manhattan does get a bus system that serves the KSU campus, what parts of campus and Manhattan proper do you think it would serve? Also, what sort of help would you bring in to analyze where the most students would be served by a bus route? Would you bring in, for example, an outside professional organization, or as another example a panel of geography students adept at using Geographic Information Systems?

Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system very badly. Virginia Tech had an excellent one when I was a student there in the mid-1980's (I didn't have a car so I used the bus system), and I know that this can really make a difference in a college community. Any bus system will be a partnership between the city and K-State, so I would guess that we would work with some sort of professional organization who specializes in this type of work. Lets see how the census data turns out - but I know discussions are ongoing on this issue.

http://www.k-state.edu/chats/graduate-chat-kirk/

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #142 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:48:44 PM »

Quote from: wabash909 on February 01, 2013, 01:43:43 PM

Quote from: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 01:27:40 PM
While looking for the CyRide Funding mechanism, I came across this... (have not read)

IMPLEMENTING MASS TRANSIT: A CASE STUDY OF THE CYRIDE SYSTEM IN AMES, IOWA AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR MASS TRANSIT IN MANHATTAN, KANSAS: by PHILIP G. ZEVENBERGEN - regional and community planning master.

http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/3900/PhilipZevenbergen2010.pdf;jsessionid=3E748221BA547A6980FBB17139BA04AB?sequence=5

Good article, Belvis!

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The heart of the document focuses on the CyRide bus system in Ames, Iowa—serving the Ames community and Iowa State University since 1976. CyRide is a special system in that it serves a total population of only 54,000, but sees an annual ridership of 5 million. Their success is based on a longstanding relationship with the community complimented by staff that posses the passion to ensure the highest quality service day-in and day-out. This report discusses the fine details of how that system functions on all levels.

The document concludes with the discussion of Manhattan, Kansas—a city with approximately the same population as Ames, and is home to Kansas State University, which as approximately the same student enrollment as Iowa State. Manhattan currently does not have a transit system, but is seeking to implement one in the coming years.

Yes, also:

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In order to accomplish the goal of reducing the number of cars on campus and promoting a more pedestrian campus, it had to provide the students with an alternative means of transportation in and around the university (Iowa State University Parking Division, 2006). In the interview, it was stated that the “first endeavors to reduce the number of cars on campus was to restrict access to various campus streets”, however this proved to be unsuccessful (CyRide, 2010). Knowing that parking was extremely limited and overrun, the university began incrementally raising rates of oncampus parking lots, while allowing students to park at the Iowa State Center (ISC) for free. Eventually, the university passed a regulation that prohibited any student living in the City of Ames to receive a campus parking permit. This would practically force all such students to park at the ISC and take a shuttle to campus. Simultaneously, in September of 1976, CyRide became a department of the city, but that was after the university had been operating several routes on its own.

So this was a system that the university installed out of necessity to move students across campus, and then the city just decided to chip in funding to expand an already-existing system, just like I alluded to earlier.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #143 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:52:07 PM »

Melvin Fatimehin asks:I hear that Manhattan is going to be considered a city pretty soon and money from the government will be coming our way. Would this effect K-State? If so would any of it be used for public transportation through the Manhattan area?

Kirk Schulz We need a public transportation system badly in Manhattan. The biggest positive from "city" designation would be some federal funds for a bus system - which would be great for students, faculty, and staff. Just imagine a beautiful purple bus - so much better looking that the Pat Bosco purple jeep!

http://www.k-state.edu/chats/undergraduate-chat-kirk/

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #144 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:53:16 PM »

weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.

Havs · « **Reply #145 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:56:08 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on February 01, 2013, 01:42:48 PM

Instead of a bus system, I think the University should implement a free bike system in which you check out a bike at one part of campus and then return it at another. The City of Manhattan could then expand this program by installing stations in Aggieville and other major shopping areas. I would use that system, while I probably would never pay a bus fare to get to class at K-State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_City_Bikes

Bike sharing is about as dirty as slobbering over a HyVee shopping cart... but go ahead.

Havs · « **Reply #146 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:58:19 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 01:53:16 PM

weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.

It was pretty stupid to develop apartments on College Ave if everyone "should" live within 5 minutes of campus. I'd agree with this if Aggieville had more 5-7 story apartment buildings surrounding it.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #147 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on February 01, 2013, 01:53:16 PM

weird. every one of these chats has students asking questions about public transit. everybody should just live 5 minutes from every part of campus. or ask Nuts where he bought his hoverboard.

Or they could get a bike, or maybe just park their car off-street 5 minutes from the part of campus they are headed.

I can agree that it would be nice to have a mass transit system, and that if I were on the Manhattan City Council, I would raise taxes to implement one. I don't think K-State needs to be raising tuition or student fees to get a bus system going, though. It wouldn't be used on-campus, and they need to find ways to keep tuition low.

mocat · « **Reply #148 on:** February 01, 2013, 01:59:26 PM »

jfc this thread is the worst

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #149 on:** February 01, 2013, 02:02:59 PM »

Quote from: mocat on February 01, 2013, 01:59:26 PM

jfc this thread is the worst

i know, right? a development thread discussing public transit. rough ridin' idiots.