Manhattan Development & Aggieville Parking

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.

Because 50,000 is the threshold for government subsidy (which Manhattan qualifies for as KK has stated). 

And no, our campus is not any more urban or compact than in a city like Ames or Stillwater or Morgantown.

And don't tell me, as a student living at Jardine or anywhere on or off campus, for instance that you wouldn't utilize it for a trip to campus or that you would rough ridin' walk to a grocery store or Varney's or Best Buy or Target and weren't car dependent.

K-State covers 668 acres.

OSU covers 1,489 acres.

WVU covers 913 acres.

ISU covers 1,984 acres.

WVU is the closest to KSU in size and is still 37% larger.

[wabash909]

Auburn, Alabama.

Population: 54,000.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Auburn, Alabama.

Population: 54,000.

3 times the area of Kansas State

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Auburn, Alabama.

Population: 54,000.

3 times the area of Kansas State

IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus.      The size of campus is irrelevant.

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus.      The size of campus is irrelevant.

Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.

[wabash909]

3 times the area of Kansas State

Please stop removing the city from the conversation.  Nobody is proposing that this be a campus only system.  In fact, the biggest advantage is that this is a city/campus parternership since we have more students living off campus than on campus.  Thanks.

[Belvis Noland]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus). 

[Belvis Noland]

IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus.      The size of campus is irrelevant.

Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.

in other words..

"I agree it should by a City thing.  Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees.  I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area."  - Belvis.

[Rage Against the McKee]

IMHO the CITY needs public transportation, including campus.      The size of campus is irrelevant.

Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do. I agree that it would be in the city's best interest to put some kind of a shuttle service in, but I don't think Kansas State should have to pay for it, and it's going to take new leadership at the city level to ever move forward.

in other words..

"I agree it should by a City thing.  Considering Manhattan and KSU's growth rates, I think it wise for the two entities to collaborate to create a comprehensive plan that services residents and students; paid for by the City + student fees.  I just think there need to be fixed routes on, around, and through campus that connect northwest campus (stadiums, university commons, jardine) to the central core campus, to aggieville, and to the southeast downtown area."  - Belvis.

No student fees. The bus should stop at the student union, BSFS, and nowhere else on campus.

[wabash909]

Those other cities all have mass transit because the universities in them need mass transit to get students from one building to another in a reasonable amount of time. KSU just doesn't have the same needs that the other universities in the Big 12 do.

The most inconsequential need is to get students from building to building. 

This about getting students on campus, alleviating the need for parking, and connecting students (especially those that aren't car dependent) with basic services within the community. 

And yes, the city should support it and so should K-State, especially when federal assistance is available to help pay for it.

[wabash909]

Blacksburg, Virginia.  Virginia Tech.

Population:  42,600

[Rage Against the McKee]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus).

From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.

[Boom Roasted]

I don't see why you keep displaying the city population as if that is important. Our campus is much more compact than most other campuses, so we don't need a K-State bus. I could get behind the city of Manhattan having a shuttle that connects residential neighborhoods to campus and Aggieville, but this idea that a campus bus system is needed is just wrong. Nobody is going to take a bus when they are only a 5 minute walk from their destination.

Because 50,000 is the threshold for government subsidy (which Manhattan qualifies for as KK has stated). 

And no, our campus is not any more urban or compact than in a city like Ames or Stillwater or Morgantown.

And don't tell me, as a student living at Jardine or anywhere on or off campus, for instance that you wouldn't utilize it for a trip to campus or that you would rough ridin' walk to a grocery store or Varney's or Best Buy or Target and weren't car dependent.

K-State covers 668 acres.

OSU covers 1,489 acres.

WVU covers 913 acres.

ISU covers 1,984 acres.

WVU is the closest to KSU in size and is still 37% larger.

On top of WVU being a terrible comparo becuase its crazy hilly and they have 3 separate areas of campus that arent connected.

[wabash909]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus).

From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.

Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building.  So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[Cartierfor3]

Get all the bus systems you want, which probably only international students would use anyway. Just don't build more parking garages that ugly up the campus. Also, encourage people to walk. Walking is good for you. We want the people of KSU to stay sexy.

[_33]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus).

From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.

Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building.  So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Well that's his opinion.  If you can't respect it and move on that's your problem.

[DQ12]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus).

From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.

Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building.  So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

to ignore the fact that other universities' huge sprawling campuses contributed to the decision for "public" transit is pretty dumb too.  k-state's small campus is pretty unique in that respect. 

i'm not saying mhk shouldn't have public transport, but to point at other universities who instituted it (in part) to meet needs that do not exist at k-state is stupid.

[mocat]

I'm not so sure it would be used all the time anyway. I mean there is a free ride from Aggieville directly to your house every freaking weekend night and there are still like dozens of DUIs every weekend.

[Dr Rick Daris]

for all of these other cities like stillwater and ames and auburn, how much of the funding is done by the city and how much by the university?

[wabash909]

Nuts Kicked, with his hoverboard, can get anywhere on campus in 5 minutes.  (including the Olathe Campus).

From the student union, on foot, I can get to any building that I might have class in in less than 5 minutes, yes.

Hilarious, that NutsKicked continues to make this issue about his ability to get from building to building.  So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

to ignore the fact that other universities huge sprawling campuses contributed to the decision for "public" transit is pretty dumb too.  k-state's small campus is pretty unique in that respect. 

i'm not saying mhk shouldn't have public transport, but to point at other universities who instituted it (in part) to meet needs that do not exist at k-state is stupid.

While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large.  Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed.  And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective. 

The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State.  We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students.  We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman.  Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core.  It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.

[DQ12]

While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large.  Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed.  And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective. 

The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State.  We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students.  We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman.  Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core.  It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.

i don't disagree with any of that.

i'm just saying that other campuses/cities were motivated, in part, by their comparatively sprawled out campuses.  that motivation does not exist at kansas state. 

that's not to say that other motivations don't exist, but advocates shouldn't dismiss k-state's campus size as completely irrelevant when they argue "well all other big 12 schools..."

[pissclams]

man, i'm gonna be late for my class at LHC Bill Snyder family stadium.  it's because my professor in my class at the beach museum of art kept us late.  damn.  flunk city for me.

[Rage Against the McKee]

While the campus's physical size may be somewhat unique comparatively to the rest of the Big XII, it still has absolutely no bearing on the real issues at hand here; getting students to campus and connected to the city at large.  Both are far more critical needs that continue to not be addressed.  And "just walk" is an extremely myopic perspective. 

The entire crux of this discussion is about what infrastructure needs to be in place to support a growing population base both in Manhattan and at K-State.  We still operate the school like it was in the middle 1970's when there were 13,000 students.  We've grown to close to 25,000 students and the school has to subsidize apartment housing because there aren't even enough on campus dorms for incoming freshman.  Well more than half of the students don't even live on campus and the one development, Jardine, that we are currently sinking millions into is a mile away from the campus core.  It's not a sustainable path forward without some strides being made to implement public transportation.

i don't disagree with any of that.

i'm just saying that other campuses/cities were motivated, in part, by their comparatively sprawled out campuses.  that motivation does not exist at kansas state. 

that's not to say that other motivations don't exist, but advocates shouldn't dismiss k-state's campus size as completely irrelevant when they argue "well all other big 12 schools..."

I think it's fair to say that in those other cities, the university had to implement some way of shuttling students across campus, and the cities decided they might as well chip in and address minor transportation issues. In Manhattan, the university doesn't have a need to shuttle students, but the city still wants the school to fund the bus system like schools in other cities have. It doesn't make sense for the university to put up a large percentage of the cost, and it's really not a big deal if Manhattan doesn't have a bus system.

[8manpick]

Buses are for poors

[star seed 7]

No one at ku uses the bus to get from class to class, just to get on/off campus.  Guess they should probably get rid of them.