what if avery johnston is a complete badass??

[nicname]

I think Brock Huard said during the Hou game KSU only had 23 or 26 attempts longer than 20 yards all season.

That’s somewhere between 2.8-3.2 a game, which is pathetic. I was probably a bit zealous saying AJ’s play was soft, and tbh I think a lot of the frustration is due to how our OC is using him, including the extremely limited deep throw. He has a pretty deep ball.

He doesn’t have to be the archetypal KSU QB, and probably shouldn’t be with his slight frame. He’s really stoic and it would be nice to see some fire from time to time, but I guess that’s just not who he is.

Back to the OC, our offense just seems so unimaginative and boring. It’s the equivalent of a total bend but don’t break defense. Little, if any aggression and putting the defense on its heels.

[Woogy]

I think Brock Huard said during the Hou game KSU only had 23 or 26 attempts longer than 20 yards all season.

That’s somewhere between 2.8-3.2 a game, which is pathetic. I was probably a bit zealous saying AJ’s play was soft, and tbh I think a lot of the frustration is due to how our OC is using him, including the extremely limited deep throw. He has a pretty deep ball.

He doesn’t have to be the archetypal KSU QB, and probably shouldn’t be with his slight frame. He’s really stoic and it would be nice to see some fire from time to time, but I guess that’s just not who he is.

Back to the OC, our offense just seems so unimaginative and boring. It’s the equivalent of a total bend but don’t break defense. Little, if any aggression and putting the defense on its heels.

This is what I've been seeing as well - who's the "Passion" guy and the "Enforcer" on the field for the offense.  It all just looks like another task to check off a To-Do list and move on to the next item.

[michigancat]

you guys are something else

[Hawk1415]

I think Brock Huard said during the Hou game KSU only had 23 or 26 attempts longer than 20 yards all season.

That’s somewhere between 2.8-3.2 a game, which is pathetic. I was probably a bit zealous saying AJ’s play was soft, and tbh I think a lot of the frustration is due to how our OC is using him, including the extremely limited deep throw. He has a pretty deep ball.

He doesn’t have to be the archetypal KSU QB, and probably shouldn’t be with his slight frame. He’s really stoic and it would be nice to see some fire from time to time, but I guess that’s just not who he is.

Back to the OC, our offense just seems so unimaginative and boring. It’s the equivalent of a total bend but don’t break defense. Little, if any aggression and putting the defense on its heels.

This is what I've been seeing as well - who's the "Passion" guy and the "Enforcer" on the field for the offense.  It all just looks like another task to check off a To-Do list and move on to the next item.

This offense is Messingham 2.0, Klieman may have lucked into Collin Klein. The Athletes are there, the OC schemes for them to reach their full potential has not come to fruition this season. Collin should be brought back as HCIW and be given the opportunity to be the next 20+ year coach at KSU. Curious if he has NFL aspirations. Hope Chris just had the Flu when he got dizzy but if he knows he doesn't want to coach forever then make a plan for the future. Taylor Braet may have more to do with the wins than the current OC's.

[MakeItRain]

I think Brock Huard said during the Hou game KSU only had 23 or 26 attempts longer than 20 yards all season.

That’s somewhere between 2.8-3.2 a game, which is pathetic. I was probably a bit zealous saying AJ’s play was soft, and tbh I think a lot of the frustration is due to how our OC is using him, including the extremely limited deep throw. He has a pretty deep ball.

He doesn’t have to be the archetypal KSU QB, and probably shouldn’t be with his slight frame. He’s really stoic and it would be nice to see some fire from time to time, but I guess that’s just not who he is.

Back to the OC, our offense just seems so unimaginative and boring. It’s the equivalent of a total bend but don’t break defense. Little, if any aggression and putting the defense on its heels.

This is what I've been seeing as well - who's the "Passion" guy and the "Enforcer" on the field for the offense.  It all just looks like another task to check off a To-Do list and move on to the next item.

You chalk at that up to a lack of passion or enforcer? We talking hockey here?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

ICYMI.
25 TD passes in 2024. Single season record for a KSU Cats QB.

[michigancat]

ICYMI.
25 TD passes in 2024. Single season record for a KSU Cats QB.

People think he was a bust

[pissclams]

they have no frame of reference

[cfbandyman]

Jake Waters in 2013 is a pretty good comparison as well. Shouldn’t have left him out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jake-waters-1.html

Man, Freeman was trash

Late to this party but I was very anti Freemaw all the way back in college. A lot was Prince but Freeman was just so prone to playing 500 with the ball when in trouble. It just seemed like his answer was chuck it up

[wetwillie]

Jake Waters had more rushing TD's in 2014 than Avery had this year, that blows my mind.

[catastrophe]

Surprising for the skill set but apparently the number of designed runs for Avery has been incredibly low.

[nicname]

Avery Johnson 2024

217-372 (58.3%), 2,712 yds (208 ypg), 25 TD, 10 int,  7.3 ypa
113 rush, 605 yds (5.4 ypc, 46.5 ypg), 7 TD

Will Howard 2023
219-357 (61.3%), 2,643 yds (220 ypg), 24 TD, 10 int, 7.4 ypa
81 rush, 351 yds (4.3 ypc, 29 ypg), 9 TD

[wetwillie]

13 games vs 12 there boss

[nicname]

13 games vs 12 there boss

Forgot Howard didn’t play the bowl.

[Katpappy]

Avery Johnson 2024

217-372 (58.3%), 2,712 yds (208 ypg), 25 TD, 10 int,  7.3 ypa
113 rush, 605 yds (5.4 ypc), 7 TD

Will Howard 2023
219-357 (61.3%), 2,643 yds (203 ypg), 24 TD, 10 int, 7.4 ypa
81 rush, 351 yds (4.3 ypc), 9 TD

Did you take into account that Klien sat Howard for multiple games while his upcoming star could play?  If he had played all the snaps that AJ had taken this year, he would have beat him in every stat.  There is a reason why he's rated the third-best QB in FBS and playing for a top team in the CFP and paid millions.

[wetwillie]

It does put in perspective that Avery basically just produced the same numbers as a sophomore as Will did as a senior.  If he would connect on a better percentage on his long balls we would view him as a god.

[Katpappy]

Jake Waters in 2013 is a pretty good comparison as well. Shouldn’t have left him out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jake-waters-1.html

Man, Freeman was trash

Late to this party but I was very anti Freemaw all the way back in college. A lot was Prince but Freeman was just so prone to playing 500 with the ball when in trouble. It just seemed like his answer was chuck it up

90% of Freeman's passes were behind the line of scrimmage. The other team would let the receiver catch so they could tackle him for a loss. I couldn't stand how POS Prince would use him.

[nicname]

It does put in perspective that Avery basically just produced the same numbers as a sophomore as Will did as a senior. If he would connect on a better percentage on his long balls we would view him as a god.

This is the basic point I was trying to illustrate. It wasn’t to be a knock on Will. Thought about putting other good KSU seasons up there, but it takes a long time.

Avery had a pretty dang good sophomore season.

[ben ji]

Jake Waters had more rushing TD's in 2014 than Avery had this year, that blows my mind.

Jake Waters was SEVENTH in the big 12 in rushing attempts in 2014.

[steve dave]

I think you guys don't accurately recall how much bill loved making his QBs run the football

[wetwillie]

Dana (RIP) outsmarted the old man in '13 and '14 but yea Waters still toted the rock plenty.

[Hurricane Cat]

It does put in perspective that Avery basically just produced the same numbers as a sophomore as Will did as a senior.  If he would connect on a better percentage on his long balls we would view him as a god.

This is going to happen.  AJ just needs to continue on his current trajectory, making better reads / decisions, hit one or two more under / overthrows a game, and eliminate the occasional  wtf play

[nicname]

I think you guys don't accurately recall how much bill loved making his QBs run the football

Carl Straw, Chad May (Slow AF), Brian Kavanagh (Slow AF), and Grant Gregory (had DT for uber Wildcat) are the only Snyder QBs not to have averaged more than 10 carries a game as a full time Snyder QB.

This also isn’t counting option plays where QBs got rocked while pitching to rbs who got credit for the carry.

[michigancat]

Pretty wild that Carson Coffman got 10 carries a game lol

[nicname]

Pretty wild that Carson Coffman got 10 carries a game lol

I guess he was only at 9.16 rpg.