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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2126 on: January 24, 2021, 03:50:03 PM »
During the simultaneous crap here, this was the flyer being handed out to appease anyone bothered by the damage. The “HA” and starship enterprise was scrawled on it by one of the receiving business owners.


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« Reply #2127 on: January 24, 2021, 04:40:26 PM »
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery

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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2128 on: January 24, 2021, 05:12:02 PM »
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery

A nom de plume, methinks

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« Reply #2129 on: January 24, 2021, 06:15:23 PM »
I followed some of the blm calendar links and some of the protest details go to this instagram lol

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« Reply #2130 on: January 24, 2021, 06:21:20 PM »
Lol
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« Reply #2131 on: January 24, 2021, 06:37:56 PM »
Lol, that idea was one of the first responses to the park getting cleared last month.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/

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« Reply #2132 on: January 24, 2021, 06:41:24 PM »
Lol, that idea was one of the first responses to the park getting cleared last month.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/
Ha! What a fun read. It's hard to get mad at these folks OR take their demands seriously because they just seen like a silly band of rabble rousers

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« Reply #2133 on: January 24, 2021, 08:57:36 PM »
it's great that you all are all:  "no, actually these fringe weirdos loosely affiliated with the far left are adherents to a fringe movement more consistent with a fringe weirdo far right ideology", and you think you're rebutting the thesis expressed in the original tweet.

Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

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« Reply #2134 on: January 24, 2021, 09:03:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1353215254218612736

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“My 6-year-old should not have to go through what I have gone through,” Lindseth said. “My child should see Black history stuff. In school we don’t even learn enough about that. Biden really needs to change education. Foster care needs to change. There’s so much wrong with this world. It needs to change.”

Hoe babble.

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« Reply #2135 on: January 24, 2021, 09:07:43 PM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2136 on: January 24, 2021, 09:20:50 PM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?

Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.

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« Reply #2137 on: January 24, 2021, 09:23:59 PM »
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.

read the portland article trim posted - they are clearly and unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies.  it is afactual to assert otherwise.

and as i thought i had made clear, that's the point.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2138 on: January 24, 2021, 09:33:16 PM »
At least here, there's been a lot of co-opting of straightforward BLM protests by socialists with some sprinkling of lol hot topic kids getting stuff out of their systems.  It puts legit BLM organizers in a bad spot because on one hand, yes it's good to have lots of people to make for a bigger presence, but on the other hand the message gets switched to "this is all capitalism's fault" with a sprinkling of "breaking glass is cool."  And all with people trying to get political capital out of it.

I haven't seen any true anarchists.

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« Reply #2139 on: January 24, 2021, 09:46:26 PM »
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.

read the portland article trim posted - they are clearly and unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies.  it is afactual to assert otherwise.

and as i thought i had made clear, that's the point.

I clearly read the article, as evidenced by me quoting it.
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unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies

Is hoe babble as well. I'm not going to waste not another word trying to convince someone that anarchists are aligned with people who want to use government for racial and economic equity. You want to suspend belief of what anarchism is to prove some dipshit point to like 7 people, be my guest.

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« Reply #2140 on: January 24, 2021, 09:55:08 PM »
At least here, there's been a lot of co-opting of straightforward BLM protests by socialists with some sprinkling of lol hot topic kids getting stuff out of their systems.  It puts legit BLM organizers in a bad spot because on one hand, yes it's good to have lots of people to make for a bigger presence, but on the other hand the message gets switched to "this is all capitalism's fault" with a sprinkling of "breaking glass is cool."  And all with people trying to get political capital out of it.

I haven't seen any true anarchists.

Yes, they are co-opting BLM protests, and as was made clear in the article BLM has several times told them to get mumped. If they actually believed in the causes that BLM protests for, they would listen and fall in line, the message that BLM is trying to convey is clearly unimportant to these people.

As for whether they are anarchists or not, with what's happened in Portland the last week, if they are marching with anarchy symbols and painting anarchy symbols on everything I'm going to take them at their word. No idea if this is also happening in Seattle. Whether or not they want to be politically affiliated or not, nothing says lunatic fringe than the fact that we're only talking about dozens of people in either one or two regionalized cities, this crap isn't happening anywhere else. I'm amazed that we've wasted so much time talking about it.

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« Reply #2141 on: January 24, 2021, 10:04:17 PM »
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery

A nom de plume, methinks

or more like nom de guerre...

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« Reply #2142 on: January 24, 2021, 10:10:04 PM »
I'm not going to waste not another word trying to convince someone that anarchists are aligned with people who want to use government for racial and economic equity. You want to suspend belief of what anarchism is to prove some dipshit point to like 7 people, be my guest.

they're marching in protests together, mir.  so they pretty clearly don't attach as much importance to which quadrant they fall in on a two-factor ideological test as you do.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2143 on: January 24, 2021, 10:13:36 PM »
I'm sure when I was in middle school, I drew anarchy symbols on my notebooks along with logos of bands I liked.  I probably even did a cross-stitch of one during the home ec sewing class they made us take for half a quarter.

Those kids will grow out of it and become socialists or magas or most likely something in between.

And yeah, I think the line's been crossed by socialist co-opt'rs here.  The socialist city councilmember is up for recall and I think a lot of her stunts like that she pulled after re-election might swing things against her.

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« Reply #2144 on: January 24, 2021, 10:53:31 PM »
Yeah I was big into the anarchy symbol in high school lol
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« Reply #2146 on: January 25, 2021, 10:43:00 AM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?

Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.


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« Reply #2147 on: January 25, 2021, 10:52:58 AM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?

Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.

given the name comes from fasces, which represented a consuls authority in ancient Rome, you bet their ass they believe in government, just a very specific version of it.

This is not specific to mir or dq, but if you want to know what a fasces is, there are two of them helpfully on the US Senate seal

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« Reply #2148 on: January 25, 2021, 11:20:02 AM »
If your government includes an ultimate authority that can over ride the government whenever they want, do you really have a government?
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« Reply #2149 on: January 25, 2021, 11:32:47 AM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?

Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.

Two different times in this thread I made the distinction of our form of government, I don't want to keep having to type that disclaimer in, at some point we should all give each other credit for knowing that fascism favors authoritarians and dictatorial power and that isn't how our government works, so no fascists do not represent the American political right. I'm sure there are a few thousand trump supporters who wouldn't mind trump being a dictator but the point of all of this is that it's wrong to associate extremists with people who fundamentally believe in a democracy.

As far as I can tell everyone but sys agrees with this, yet here we are in a "well actually" off.