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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2100 on: January 20, 2021, 10:53:30 PM »
I don't know what "low social trust" means.

Does criticizing powerful people for doing bad stuff mean "low social trust"?

It's actually a thing, sort of
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A low trust society is defined as one in which interpersonal trust is relatively low, and which do not have shared ethical values.
I can only assume sys' insistence on applying this to the political spectrum is a very basic way of saying these people have low trust in people and institutions that have proven not to be trustworthy. Your definition works as well.

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« Reply #2101 on: January 20, 2021, 11:00:37 PM »
a very basic way of saying these people have low trust in people and institutions.

correct.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2102 on: January 20, 2021, 11:14:08 PM »
I don't really think that I distrust people, I think people are not cynical enough about institutions and the people that have power in our political system.  But I think this is a weird criticism as one of the main things that many moderates and libs were making about Bernie/Jacobin left was that they were trying to appeal to people that DNC types thought were not worth talking to.  Meanwhile much of the mainstream democratic party talking heads and electorate was saying that most of America is irredeemably racist and thus we should cut social services to Alabama et. al.

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« Reply #2103 on: January 20, 2021, 11:26:01 PM »
I don't really think that I distrust people.

out of all active goEMAW posters, you and dax are the only two i can imagine proposing to execute former presidents on the national mall.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2104 on: January 20, 2021, 11:50:04 PM »
I don't really think that I distrust people, I think people are not cynical enough about institutions and the people that have power in our political system.  But I think this is a weird criticism as one of the main things that many moderates and libs were making about Bernie/Jacobin left was that they were trying to appeal to people that DNC types thought were not worth talking to.  Meanwhile much of the mainstream democratic party talking heads and electorate was saying that most of America is irredeemably racist and thus we should cut social services to Alabama et. al.

Yep

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2106 on: January 21, 2021, 12:17:35 AM »
I don't really think that I distrust people.

out of all active goEMAW posters, you and dax are the only two i can imagine proposing to execute former presidents on the national mall.

The fact that no one cares that every US President in my lifetime has committed unconscionable war crimes is more an indictment of their politics, not mine.
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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2107 on: January 21, 2021, 02:08:22 AM »
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202

Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.

https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400

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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2109 on: January 21, 2021, 01:45:31 PM »
are these the goth kids from south park?

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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2110 on: January 21, 2021, 02:02:39 PM »
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202

Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.

https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400
I always thought anarchists were the polar political left, while fascists were the polar political right.


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« Reply #2111 on: January 21, 2021, 02:05:19 PM »
yeah, I think the classical versions of those two are the lib left and auth right poles.

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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2112 on: January 21, 2021, 02:06:23 PM »
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202

Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.

https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400
I always thought anarchists were the polar political left, while fascists were the polar political right.
So you’re thinking just to the left of people who want government to pay for food, education, and healthcare for all is a group who wants no government?

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« Reply #2113 on: January 21, 2021, 02:10:49 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times. actually, fascism is probably just auth center. but the big fascist examples in history are mostly auth right.


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« Reply #2114 on: January 21, 2021, 02:15:27 PM »
Yeah that’s how I think of it. I don’t think you can assign authoritative government or the absence of government to either ideology.

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« Reply #2115 on: January 21, 2021, 02:17:24 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.


Yeah.  This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government.  A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?


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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2116 on: January 21, 2021, 02:54:06 PM »
Watching #blueanon try to figure out who is or isn't an anarchist and which political sphere an anarchist is closest to is extremely  :lol:

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« Reply #2117 on: January 21, 2021, 05:47:34 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.


Yeah.  This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government.  A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?

So sys really should be the one who answers your question, because I think you and I and frankly most people agree with this. You can't put someone who doesn't believe in government on a political spectrum, it makes no sense. Only a dunce would favorably compare someone who wants to abolish all governmental institutions with someone who thinks the role of a government in a democracy is to take care of it's citizens. Same thing with the political right, you can't compare someone who professes to be a devout constitutionalist with someone who believes in dictatorial power.

A bit of a detour but this is what made trumpism dangerous, his most devout followers definitely seemed to be willing to crap on the constitution to allow a demagogue to do whatever the hell he wanted to do.

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« Reply #2118 on: January 23, 2021, 12:36:24 PM »
AOC is never one to miss out on a MAGA dunk but it's kind of scary that this guy was in the capital and saying "assassinate AOC" the same day.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1352767726117408769

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« Reply #2119 on: January 23, 2021, 06:11:46 PM »
anarchists are not far left...they are extreme libertarians...far left is communists...trust me, anarchists did not have a good time under communist governments...

some of u might be confusing "antifa" and anarchists...of course "antifa" is not a well-defined thing, but both anarchists and communists have identified as "antifa" (as have other groups)

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« Reply #2121 on: January 23, 2021, 06:25:10 PM »
it's great that you all are all:  "no, actually these fringe weirdos loosely affiliated with the far left are adherents to a fringe movement more consistent with a fringe weirdo far right ideology", and you think you're rebutting the thesis expressed in the original tweet.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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« Reply #2122 on: January 23, 2021, 06:42:08 PM »
That’s a lot to digest
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Re: The Thread for Democratic Socialists/AOC watch with 24/7 AOC updates
« Reply #2123 on: January 24, 2021, 03:12:24 PM »
:lol:

https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/1352139179778478082

serious question, how many of these are dudes?

The caption to the pic in the article says:

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Booking photos from Jan. 20, 2021, of (clockwise, starting upper left) Nicole Aria Rose, Austin N. Nuchraska, Jean V. Paris, Kaiave Douvia, Darrell A. Kimberlin, Davis Alan Beeman, Alyssa Hartley Davis and Kyle Romstad. (Multnomah County Sheriff's Office)

and there's this later in the article.

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Officially charged
Thursday, Multnomah County DA filed criminal charges in 4 of the 14 cases, noting the other 10 remain under investigation.

Trevor Colter is charge with one count each of riot, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for actions at the ICE facility. Authorities said he threw something at officers, then resisted being taken into custody. They said they found him with a large knife, ballistic vest, bear mace, gas mask, collapsible baton, wire pull smoke device and three aerial fireworks.

Austin Nuchraska is charged with one count each of riot, =unlawful possession of a destructive device and criminal mischief for actions at the Democratic Headquarters in NE Portland. Court documents said that after he was arrested, police found 4 individual Molotov cocktails leaking gasoline.

Kai-Ave Douvia is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters. Douvia is accused of using a metal pry bar to break at least one window.

Nicole Rose is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters for allegedly using a baton to break at least one window.

You'll have to take it from there if you're needing a complete serious answer.  I'd been going with that it was a MCR cover band and some fans.

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