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« Reply #2125 on: January 21, 2021, 02:06:23 PM »

Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.

I always thought anarchists were the polar political left, while fascists were the polar political right.
So you’re thinking just to the left of people who want government to pay for food, education, and healthcare for all is a group who wants no government?

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« Reply #2126 on: January 21, 2021, 02:10:49 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times. actually, fascism is probably just auth center. but the big fascist examples in history are mostly auth right.


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« Reply #2127 on: January 21, 2021, 02:15:27 PM »
Yeah that’s how I think of it. I don’t think you can assign authoritative government or the absence of government to either ideology.

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« Reply #2128 on: January 21, 2021, 02:17:24 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.


Yeah.  This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government.  A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?


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« Reply #2129 on: January 21, 2021, 02:54:06 PM »
Watching #blueanon try to figure out who is or isn't an anarchist and which political sphere an anarchist is closest to is extremely  :lol:

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« Reply #2130 on: January 21, 2021, 05:47:34 PM »
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.


Yeah.  This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government.  A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?

So sys really should be the one who answers your question, because I think you and I and frankly most people agree with this. You can't put someone who doesn't believe in government on a political spectrum, it makes no sense. Only a dunce would favorably compare someone who wants to abolish all governmental institutions with someone who thinks the role of a government in a democracy is to take care of it's citizens. Same thing with the political right, you can't compare someone who professes to be a devout constitutionalist with someone who believes in dictatorial power.

A bit of a detour but this is what made trumpism dangerous, his most devout followers definitely seemed to be willing to crap on the constitution to allow a demagogue to do whatever the hell he wanted to do.

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« Reply #2131 on: January 23, 2021, 12:36:24 PM »
AOC is never one to miss out on a MAGA dunk but it's kind of scary that this guy was in the capital and saying "assassinate AOC" the same day.


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« Reply #2132 on: January 23, 2021, 06:11:46 PM »
anarchists are not far left...they are extreme libertarians...far left is communists...trust me, anarchists did not have a good time under communist governments...

some of u might be confusing "antifa" and anarchists...of course "antifa" is not a well-defined thing, but both anarchists and communists have identified as "antifa" (as have other groups)

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« Reply #2133 on: January 23, 2021, 06:13:54 PM »
:lol:


serious question, how many of these are dudes?

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« Reply #2134 on: January 23, 2021, 06:25:10 PM »
it's great that you all are all:  "no, actually these fringe weirdos loosely affiliated with the far left are adherents to a fringe movement more consistent with a fringe weirdo far right ideology", and you think you're rebutting the thesis expressed in the original tweet.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #2135 on: January 23, 2021, 06:42:08 PM »
That’s a lot to digest
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« Reply #2136 on: January 24, 2021, 03:12:24 PM »
:lol:


serious question, how many of these are dudes?

The caption to the pic in the article says:

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Booking photos from Jan. 20, 2021, of (clockwise, starting upper left) Nicole Aria Rose, Austin N. Nuchraska, Jean V. Paris, Kaiave Douvia, Darrell A. Kimberlin, Davis Alan Beeman, Alyssa Hartley Davis and Kyle Romstad. (Multnomah County Sheriff's Office)

and there's this later in the article.

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Officially charged
Thursday, Multnomah County DA filed criminal charges in 4 of the 14 cases, noting the other 10 remain under investigation.

Trevor Colter is charge with one count each of riot, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for actions at the ICE facility. Authorities said he threw something at officers, then resisted being taken into custody. They said they found him with a large knife, ballistic vest, bear mace, gas mask, collapsible baton, wire pull smoke device and three aerial fireworks.

Austin Nuchraska is charged with one count each of riot, =unlawful possession of a destructive device and criminal mischief for actions at the Democratic Headquarters in NE Portland. Court documents said that after he was arrested, police found 4 individual Molotov cocktails leaking gasoline.

Kai-Ave Douvia is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters. Douvia is accused of using a metal pry bar to break at least one window.

Nicole Rose is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters for allegedly using a baton to break at least one window.

You'll have to take it from there if you're needing a complete serious answer.  I'd been going with that it was a MCR cover band and some fans.

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« Reply #2137 on: January 24, 2021, 03:13:28 PM »

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« Reply #2138 on: January 24, 2021, 03:41:38 PM »

good reporting.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #2139 on: January 24, 2021, 03:50:03 PM »
During the simultaneous crap here, this was the flyer being handed out to appease anyone bothered by the damage. The “HA” and starship enterprise was scrawled on it by one of the receiving business owners.


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« Reply #2140 on: January 24, 2021, 04:40:26 PM »
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery

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« Reply #2141 on: January 24, 2021, 05:12:02 PM »
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery

A nom de plume, methinks

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« Reply #2142 on: January 24, 2021, 06:15:23 PM »
I followed some of the blm calendar links and some of the protest details go to this instagram lol

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« Reply #2143 on: January 24, 2021, 06:21:20 PM »
Lol
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« Reply #2144 on: January 24, 2021, 06:37:56 PM »
Lol, that idea was one of the first responses to the park getting cleared last month.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/

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« Reply #2145 on: January 24, 2021, 06:41:24 PM »
Lol, that idea was one of the first responses to the park getting cleared last month.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/
Ha! What a fun read. It's hard to get mad at these folks OR take their demands seriously because they just seen like a silly band of rabble rousers

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« Reply #2146 on: January 24, 2021, 08:57:36 PM »
it's great that you all are all:  "no, actually these fringe weirdos loosely affiliated with the far left are adherents to a fringe movement more consistent with a fringe weirdo far right ideology", and you think you're rebutting the thesis expressed in the original tweet.

Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

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« Reply #2147 on: January 24, 2021, 09:03:55 PM »

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“My 6-year-old should not have to go through what I have gone through,” Lindseth said. “My child should see Black history stuff. In school we don’t even learn enough about that. Biden really needs to change education. Foster care needs to change. There’s so much wrong with this world. It needs to change.”

Hoe babble.

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« Reply #2148 on: January 24, 2021, 09:07:43 PM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #2149 on: January 24, 2021, 09:20:50 PM »
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.

then what were your points?

Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.

Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.