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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4450 on: January 16, 2020, 10:24:44 AM »
Saying Hillary couldn't have won in 2016 is like saying OU football couldn't have beaten K-State in 2019. There are many, many variables that affect the outcome. Luck is a factor. Different teams can win on different days. Different candidates can win on different days. But either CAN win.

What if Trump had died the day before the election? Would Hillary definitely not have won?

all the absolutist talk is bullshit.  it's all very slight differences in probability.  i think warren is a pretty bad candidate, and part of that is being a woman.  but klobuchar i think would be a pretty strong candidate and she's also a woman.  and the difference isn't that huge, like maybe warren has a 30% chance of winning and klobuchar a 60% of winning.  which is different, but it's like the difference between getting 47 instead of 48% of the vote.  or in getting the same %, but getting a little more in ny and ca and a little less in michigan and wisconsin.

so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4451 on: January 16, 2020, 10:36:30 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

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« Reply #4452 on: January 16, 2020, 11:07:55 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

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« Reply #4453 on: January 16, 2020, 11:34:45 AM »
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

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« Reply #4454 on: January 16, 2020, 11:37:19 AM »
so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.

Similarly, people talk about BLUE VS RED! things like there's a big difference. Usually, it's like 49/48 blue thing vs 49/48 red thing.

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« Reply #4455 on: January 16, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4456 on: January 16, 2020, 12:08:00 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

either they did for her senatorial campaigns or it didn't matter that they didn't, because she has a completely crushed as a senate candidate.  way outperforming a generic dem.

a senator isn't the same as a president and minnesota isn't the entire country, but it's not fair to completely ignore her electoral record.  and by the same token, warren has underperformed in both of her senate races.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4458 on: January 16, 2020, 12:11:00 PM »
Yes! Voters are crazy
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4459 on: January 16, 2020, 12:14:42 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4460 on: January 16, 2020, 12:15:26 PM »
I don't understand why our virtuous liberals hate certain democrats. I would vote for Liz or Pete in a heartpete. Look to your houses and decide why you eat your own.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4461 on: January 16, 2020, 12:19:25 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.

In retrospect, I may have unintentionally been nitpicking about the door knocking. I'm honestly not sure about enthusiasm as a factor, though, based on some articles I've read. Votes are what matter.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4462 on: January 16, 2020, 01:40:55 PM »
Its not often the discussion gets Rick all fired up but it sure is fun when it does.

nobody is fired up you weirdo

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4463 on: January 16, 2020, 02:16:26 PM »
Officially signed up for the Bloomberg mailing list and news.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4464 on: January 16, 2020, 03:21:31 PM »
interesting graphical look at electability.  if you're interested, the article goes into a lot of detail.

https://twitter.com/MathIntee/status/1217916653708726272
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4465 on: January 16, 2020, 03:50:24 PM »
A few weeks old.   This is an excellent approach by my guy Mike Bloomberg.  I'm sure you've all heard he's not taking any donations, and he's approaching the right operatives to reassure them that unlike the other absolute whackjobs and/or warmongering racists who are running for the Dem nominee, he's not going to propose eating the rich (Same with ChiCom Joe the war mongering racist, but way more coherently).

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/mike-bloomberg-tries-to-convince-big-money-democratic-donors-he-can-win.html

#bloomberg2020

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4466 on: January 16, 2020, 04:08:36 PM »
I’m 100% in favor of billionaires who run for public office not taking donations


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4469 on: January 17, 2020, 08:11:11 AM »
https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/1217954709916585985

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Why do Clinton's numbers change with every candidate?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4470 on: January 17, 2020, 08:54:21 AM »
I mean, at least Biden will be entertaining as the nominee.

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1218183029874667521

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4471 on: January 17, 2020, 09:02:39 AM »
https://twitter.com/ActorAaronBooth/status/1217954709916585985

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. Why do Clinton's numbers change with every candidate?

margin in each state these are sentate race numbers

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4472 on: January 17, 2020, 04:39:58 PM »
he can't win, but he's also not really even trying to.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1218288558672424960
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4473 on: January 17, 2020, 04:41:21 PM »

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4474 on: January 17, 2020, 04:42:43 PM »
I feel like the best thing about Biden other than his zesty moderate flavors is that he'll surround himself with actual smart people who can make decisions for his old ass. like, the opposite of trump (same oldness, opposite advisor strategy).