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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4475 on: January 16, 2020, 09:41:38 AM »
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

women are humans just like men are, so yes they are also naturally biased against female voices and will also hold women to a higher set of standards than men.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4476 on: January 16, 2020, 09:43:06 AM »
which is more likely? america elects a second black male president, or a first female president (of any race)?

second black male. also, america will elect a gay male before a female.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4477 on: January 16, 2020, 09:49:35 AM »
Saying Hillary couldn't have won in 2016 is like saying OU football couldn't have beaten K-State in 2019. There are many, many variables that affect the outcome. Luck is a factor. Different teams can win on different days. Different candidates can win on different days. But either CAN win.

What if Trump had died the day before the election? Would Hillary definitely not have won?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4478 on: January 16, 2020, 09:55:18 AM »
Its not often the discussion gets Rick all fired up but it sure is fun when it does.
it’s not like I’m tired of WINNING, but dude, let me catch my breath.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4479 on: January 16, 2020, 09:58:12 AM »
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

women are humans just like men are, so yes they are also naturally biased against female voices and will also hold women to a higher set of standards than men.

I don't think it's a human thing. Plenty of first world countries have elected female leaders.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4480 on: January 16, 2020, 10:14:52 AM »
a republican female might do it before a democrat female

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4481 on: January 16, 2020, 10:24:44 AM »
Saying Hillary couldn't have won in 2016 is like saying OU football couldn't have beaten K-State in 2019. There are many, many variables that affect the outcome. Luck is a factor. Different teams can win on different days. Different candidates can win on different days. But either CAN win.

What if Trump had died the day before the election? Would Hillary definitely not have won?

all the absolutist talk is bullshit.  it's all very slight differences in probability.  i think warren is a pretty bad candidate, and part of that is being a woman.  but klobuchar i think would be a pretty strong candidate and she's also a woman.  and the difference isn't that huge, like maybe warren has a 30% chance of winning and klobuchar a 60% of winning.  which is different, but it's like the difference between getting 47 instead of 48% of the vote.  or in getting the same %, but getting a little more in ny and ca and a little less in michigan and wisconsin.

so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4482 on: January 16, 2020, 10:36:30 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4483 on: January 16, 2020, 11:07:55 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

People who want to use real silverware will.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4484 on: January 16, 2020, 11:34:45 AM »
a significant issue that women face is women not voting for women

imagine if after 200 years men had a chance to vote for a male candidate

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4485 on: January 16, 2020, 11:37:19 AM »
so, like all the talk about what people will or won't vote for should reflect that you're talking about a couple of % of the population to start with.

Similarly, people talk about BLUE VS RED! things like there's a big difference. Usually, it's like 49/48 blue thing vs 49/48 red thing.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4486 on: January 16, 2020, 11:50:33 AM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4487 on: January 16, 2020, 12:08:00 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

either they did for her senatorial campaigns or it didn't matter that they didn't, because she has a completely crushed as a senate candidate.  way outperforming a generic dem.

a senator isn't the same as a president and minnesota isn't the entire country, but it's not fair to completely ignore her electoral record.  and by the same token, warren has underperformed in both of her senate races.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4488 on: January 16, 2020, 12:09:49 PM »

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4489 on: January 16, 2020, 12:11:00 PM »
Yes! Voters are crazy
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4490 on: January 16, 2020, 12:14:42 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4491 on: January 16, 2020, 12:15:26 PM »
I don't understand why our virtuous liberals hate certain democrats. I would vote for Liz or Pete in a heartpete. Look to your houses and decide why you eat your own.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4492 on: January 16, 2020, 12:19:25 PM »
no one is getting out and knocking doors for freaking amy klobuchar.  good grief.

How many knock on doors for Trump?

Have you seen his rallies?  Come on.  I mean to say that voter enthusiasm is a real thing and probably the most important thing in this election imo.

In retrospect, I may have unintentionally been nitpicking about the door knocking. I'm honestly not sure about enthusiasm as a factor, though, based on some articles I've read. Votes are what matter.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4493 on: January 16, 2020, 01:40:55 PM »
Its not often the discussion gets Rick all fired up but it sure is fun when it does.

nobody is fired up you weirdo

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4494 on: January 16, 2020, 02:16:26 PM »
Officially signed up for the Bloomberg mailing list and news.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4495 on: January 16, 2020, 03:21:31 PM »
interesting graphical look at electability.  if you're interested, the article goes into a lot of detail.

we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4496 on: January 16, 2020, 03:50:24 PM »
A few weeks old.   This is an excellent approach by my guy Mike Bloomberg.  I'm sure you've all heard he's not taking any donations, and he's approaching the right operatives to reassure them that unlike the other absolute whackjobs and/or warmongering racists who are running for the Dem nominee, he's not going to propose eating the rich (Same with ChiCom Joe the war mongering racist, but way more coherently).

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/mike-bloomberg-tries-to-convince-big-money-democratic-donors-he-can-win.html

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4497 on: January 16, 2020, 04:08:36 PM »
I’m 100% in favor of billionaires who run for public office not taking donations


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4498 on: January 16, 2020, 05:35:04 PM »

That's some range  :surprised:

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #4499 on: January 16, 2020, 06:03:56 PM »
we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.