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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2350 on: February 14, 2025, 02:50:50 PM »
i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Read my "it doesn't actually do that" I know it doesn't. But Pubs forever blame poor people leaching off the government for all other people's problems. Blame the billionaires for their plight on everything. THat is the real issue. After all they do eventually want to dismantle that as well.
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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2351 on: February 14, 2025, 02:54:43 PM »
i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Read my "it doesn't actually do that" I know it doesn't. But Pubs forever blame poor people leaching off the government for all other people's problems. Blame the billionaires for their plight on everything. THat is the real issue. After all they do eventually want to dismantle that as well.

The way you wrote it does not read the way you are claiming. Regardless, it's interesting that in a thread title "pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap," you want to follow the same tactics as them.

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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2352 on: February 14, 2025, 02:59:10 PM »
i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Fair points. The Dem messaging is horrific and they are terrible at modern politics. It just fascinates me. I know a lot of it is single issue voting and boogymen, but the R message is loud and clear. We are going to cut taxes, mostly for the rich and they will benefit the most by far and we are going to cut your benefits to pay for them. Also, if you are really poor, you are extra mumped. Yet, those very same people hear that message and respond with a resounding "eff yeah, let's do it" every time.

Right, but again it's because they don't see how it negatively affects them. Cutting anyone's taxes sounds good. Hell I would love that. But when you more say hey by giving them this, this hurts you and it hurts you directly in XYZ ways, that's what you do. Dems far too much assume people understand the logic of what is going on. Listen to how pubs message it. Their ultimate aims are to make everyone essentially not wards of the state, but wards of billionaires. We're going back to late 1800s robber barons who have giant controls using wealth unmatched. We've already been there, but this is super charged now. The pubs have been good at making it sound like taxing the elite means they are coming to do that to you too, give us the breaks, we give the jobs after all! It's effective until you realize that most people hate their jobs and their bosses. Explain it like that, be like would you like to give money to your boss? Or TO YOU. If you want your pay to go up, then pay the bosses less! Or make them have to pay you more!
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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2353 on: February 14, 2025, 03:13:05 PM »
i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Read my "it doesn't actually do that" I know it doesn't. But Pubs forever blame poor people leaching off the government for all other people's problems. Blame the billionaires for their plight on everything. THat is the real issue. After all they do eventually want to dismantle that as well.

The way you wrote it does not read the way you are claiming. Regardless, it's interesting that in a thread title "pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap," you want to follow the same tactics as them.

I don't think I ever said follow their tactics, so that is a wrong assumption, nor would simply acknowledging pubs are good at messaging as relieving them from being POS's. I was saying Dems piss me off in not being able to message things properly. They always make assumptions that everyone knows things like they do. Pubs are good a just "saying it like it is", that is about it. But I always interpret that as saying it in a way that is clearly able to be understood. If there is a tactic, that is simply it, say exactly what you mean in a way that makes sense. It's like when there is a briefing on the stock market going up, it makes an assumption that you understand that is actually good, and good for you

Pubs have been good at trying to show that DEI is the problem, or immigrants are the problem, or the left is problem. They are BITB at pointing the finger at the wrong source of the problem. Pubs are POS's cause they fight to remove rights and money away from those who actually work, and who should be treated with dignity.

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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2355 on: February 15, 2025, 08:13:20 AM »
Maga will burn everything down as long as it hurts at least one trans kid
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« Reply #2356 on: February 15, 2025, 08:34:43 AM »
Kids again. This time it’s those with special needs. The floor is deep down I guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2025/02/13/17-states-sue-to-end-protections-for-students-with-special-needs/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3QEZZx3NseYCJZLrji-_VzeujRH-4ZIEvFgbgle5fUjhM2WGQto4LqH94_aem_FMjpmy18Yt6j-HE0qf-Lrg
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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2357 on: February 15, 2025, 10:35:37 AM »


i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Billionaires alone might not move the needle but the payroll tax cap has to have some impact. Not sure how much but that's something I bet most people don't know exists.

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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2359 on: February 15, 2025, 11:11:28 AM »


i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Billionaires alone might not move the needle but the payroll tax cap has to have some impact. Not sure how much but that's something I bet most people don't know exists.

Removing the payroll tax cap would have an impact. It would close somewhere around 60% of the projected shortfall. It would also further fundamentally change the nature of Social Security as a program. Every change to the program has made it more of a wealth redistribution program where it was not set up that way when first put into place. Politically this has the downside of eroding the broad based support for the program and makes it more likely that it will be targeted politically.

Removing the payroll tax cap would have about zero impact on billionaires. I imagine very little of their income is W-2 or 1099 income.

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« Reply #2360 on: February 15, 2025, 11:18:08 AM »
Kids again. This time it’s those with special needs. The floor is deep down I guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2025/02/13/17-states-sue-to-end-protections-for-students-with-special-needs/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3QEZZx3NseYCJZLrji-_VzeujRH-4ZIEvFgbgle5fUjhM2WGQto4LqH94_aem_FMjpmy18Yt6j-HE0qf-Lrg
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Bingo. Pro life my ass.

As a parent of special needs kids the recklessness of these really pisses me off.

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« Reply #2361 on: February 15, 2025, 11:44:38 AM »
The war on kids is going to make a wild midterm.

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« Reply #2362 on: February 15, 2025, 12:51:49 PM »
Trans kids are the gateway drug when it comes  to rough ridin' over any kid with special needs

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Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« Reply #2364 on: February 15, 2025, 03:39:57 PM »
An excellent example of "smaller government" or was this a decision left to the State?

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« Reply #2365 on: February 15, 2025, 05:41:19 PM »
Kids again. This time it’s those with special needs. The floor is deep down I guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2025/02/13/17-states-sue-to-end-protections-for-students-with-special-needs/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3QEZZx3NseYCJZLrji-_VzeujRH-4ZIEvFgbgle5fUjhM2WGQto4LqH94_aem_FMjpmy18Yt6j-HE0qf-Lrg
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Bingo. Pro life my ass.

As a parent of special needs kids the recklessness of these really pisses me off.
FWIW, I’m very anti pulling funding from special needs education.


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« Reply #2366 on: February 15, 2025, 05:54:53 PM »
But not against it that much.  Not enough to vote against those who want to do it.

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« Reply #2367 on: February 15, 2025, 06:10:05 PM »
Kids again. This time it’s those with special needs. The floor is deep down I guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2025/02/13/17-states-sue-to-end-protections-for-students-with-special-needs/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3QEZZx3NseYCJZLrji-_VzeujRH-4ZIEvFgbgle5fUjhM2WGQto4LqH94_aem_FMjpmy18Yt6j-HE0qf-Lrg
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Chef's kiss that Texas is leading this charge. Talk about pulling the ramp up behind you, Abbott.

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« Reply #2368 on: February 15, 2025, 07:49:44 PM »
Kids again. This time it’s those with special needs. The floor is deep down I guess.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2025/02/13/17-states-sue-to-end-protections-for-students-with-special-needs/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3QEZZx3NseYCJZLrji-_VzeujRH-4ZIEvFgbgle5fUjhM2WGQto4LqH94_aem_FMjpmy18Yt6j-HE0qf-Lrg
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Bingo. Pro life my ass.

As a parent of special needs kids the recklessness of these really pisses me off.
FWIW, I’m very anti pulling funding from special needs education.

Well, nobody you vote for agrees with you on that one.

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« Reply #2369 on: February 15, 2025, 10:09:12 PM »
Guys, at least those 8 Guatemalan dudes got deported. This is all worth it. We didn’t think all this other stuff we don’t admit to agreeing with would happen too. 


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« Reply #2370 on: February 15, 2025, 11:16:44 PM »
But not against it that much.  Not enough to vote against those who want to do it.
True.


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« Reply #2371 on: February 16, 2025, 06:36:10 AM »
i think the average joe doesn't really give a crap how much other people are taxed. 

median household income guy saw a pretty significant tax cut for himself in 2017.  shouting at him that the tax cut was actually bad for him because extremely wealthy people got a tax cut too is going to be a bit confusing for him.  i don't think the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" trope is actually very common.

Yeah, I kinda agree, it's in a different way the issue I have with the dems messaging on "taxing the billionaire's" or "making them pay their fair share" it plays too much into "well I don't like taxes so why would they" or "pay their fair share, they pay $XXXXX more than I do".

The real message should be, giving tax breaks to the billionaires destroys these social program millions of americans count on funding and then list all of them. WIC, SS, even ones that don't actually do that. The convo should be less making them pay their fair share, but that them avoiding taxes or getting a tax cut means your life as a poor person is going to be even poorer. And YOU have to pick up the bill or the bill doesnt get paid and you lose these services.

Explain to me how giving income tax breaks to billionaires affects Social Security.

Do you think that Musk is acting in good faith to find “fraud” in social security because he is interested in saving the program or do you think he is looking for reasons to justify eliminating or cutting it?

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« Reply #2372 on: February 16, 2025, 09:47:42 AM »
But not against it that much.  Not enough to vote against those who want to do it.
True.
But it's so sad though huh?

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« Reply #2373 on: February 16, 2025, 10:02:43 AM »
cruelty is the point. feature v. bug.

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« Reply #2374 on: February 16, 2025, 10:23:40 AM »
At least that one trans kid in Wisconsin can’t play JV volleyball though, right guys!!!


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