The Trump Presidency

[Stevesie60]

Fair enough. You still didn't respond to "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

[Justwin]

Fair enough. You still didn't respond to "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

It is answered in Mark 10:27 and Matthew 19:26 when Jesus says "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

The thrust of everything you are referencing is that you cannot get into heaven on your own and you need to work at putting God and Christ first in your life before all other things. It doesn't mean get rid of everything in your life, but everything should be secondary to God.

[Stevesie60]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

[catastrophe]

Marital rape was legal until like the mid 90's, I wonder what the biblical perspective was on that?

The Bible is pretty crappy at explaining dos and don’ts, and really good at explaining the importance of loving and caring about other people.

Politicians on either side of the Bible almost never talk about the second part.

[Stupid Fitz]

Look what this psycho has done to us and this thread. Mods!!!!!


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[Rage Against the McKee]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

Yeah, Jesus had a pretty strong "take care of people today, God will provide for you tomorrow" message.

[Justwin]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

Maybe that's your interpretation, it's not mine.

Zacchaeus did not give away everything he had and salvation still came to his household as stated by Jesus.

[DQ12]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do (and therefore, require divine “saving”), I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do, I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

My experience has been that acknowledge that they sin as some sort of blanket statement, but if you identify something specific, they tell you the Bible doesn't really mean that.

[DQ12]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do, I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

My experience has been that acknowledge that they sin as some sort of blanket statement, but if you identify something specific, they tell you the Bible doesn't really mean that.

Ok

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Fave parts of the last few pages:

This thread is to discuss the plane crash President.

De Louise

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[nicname]

The Church had a pretty big impact on ending the Roman practice of exposure. Christians would rescue abandoned babies from the exposure fields, take in orphans, etc.

“You shall not murder a child by abortion, nor kill a child after birth.”

~The Didache

https://legacyicons.com/content/didache.pdf

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I could do with less mythology talk and more focus on this very disturbing accusation (that is occurring in the real world)

[Spracne]

I can't believe religion is still a thing. Then again, I can't believe Trump is still a thing ...

People are dumb af.

[Stevesie60]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do (and therefore, require divine “saving”), I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

It sounds like you're saying there's no reason to follow any of Jesus' advice besides admitting you're a sinner and he died for you. Which is fine and dandy. But people seem to spend a lot of time going to church, reading the Bible, going to small groups, etc. to try to learn what else Jesus says, and it sounds like you're saying there's no reason to. Which is a lot of time people could get back.

It just seems if someone is going to come onto goEMAW and declare that they only think of this world as secondary to heaven, then they should probably have some evidence of that. And saying "well, Jesus didn't EXPLICITLY say 'justwins needs to give his/her money to the poor' so there's no reason for me to do that" doesn't seem to indicate how secondary the physical world is to them. I've only heard logic like that when it's being used to bury one's head in the sand about shitty things going on, or as an excuse to not help with adoption even though you're adamantly pro-life, as was the case today.

[Stevesie60]

And regarding abortion, wouldn't the Christian belief be that it's a soul that gets to go straight to heaven instead of having to hang out on earth and potentially go to hell?

[Spracne]

And regarding abortion, wouldn't the Christian belief be that it's a soul that gets to go straight to heaven instead of having to hang out on earth and potentially go to hell?

"The Creator HATES This One Simple Trick!"

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I could do with less mythology talk and more focus on this very disturbing accusation (that is occurring in the real world)

How will we even know what is happening

[DQ12]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do (and therefore, require divine “saving”), I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

It sounds like you're saying there's no reason to follow any of Jesus' advice besides admitting you're a sinner and he died for you.

What? No.  That’s not what I’m saying.

[Stevesie60]

I hate for Jesus to be brought up again in this thread so soon, but this is absolutely wild.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/karoline-leavitt-shocks-as-she-tells-press-jesus-didn-t-have-electricity-either/ar-AA1ycpQO

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I hate for Jesus to be brought up again in this thread so soon

Risen.

[Pete]

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I could do with less mythology talk and more focus on this very disturbing accusation (that is occurring in the real world)

How will we even know what is happening

Elon’s Grok AI doesn’t like the sound of this either.

The recent allegations regarding the U.S. Treasury Secretary granting access to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) members to the Treasury's payment systems are based on multiple reports. According to these reports:

- **Access Granted**: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has reportedly given DOGE representatives full access to the federal payment system. This system manages trillions of dollars in annual payments, including Social Security, Medicare benefits, federal salaries, and tax refunds.[](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-federal-payments-system.html)[](https://x.com/SharonJohn93676/status/1885572216441696324)

- **Concerns and Implications**:
  - **Security and Privacy**: There is concern about the security implications, particularly with the sensitive nature of the information handled by these systems, which includes personal data of millions of Americans. [](https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-answers-following-report-of-musk-personnel-seeking-access-to-highly-sensitive-us-treasury-payments-system)[](https://x.com/JohnBasham/status/1885606871769190430)
  - **Political Influence**: Critics worry about the potential for political manipulation of payment distributions, as these systems have traditionally been managed by non-political staff to avoid such risks.[](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/01/31/elon-musk-treasury-department-payment-systems/)[](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-doge-treasury-payment-systems-report-1235252444/)
  - **Legal and Oversight**: There are questions about the legal authority under which such access was granted and whether it bypasses necessary oversight, potentially leading to unauthorized control over federal spending.[](https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-demands-answers-following-report-of-musk-personnel-seeking-access-to-highly-sensitive-us-treasury-payments-system)

- **Resignation**: The clash over access to these payment systems reportedly led to the resignation of a senior Treasury official, David A. Lebryk, highlighting internal discord over the decision.[](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/01/31/elon-musk-treasury-department-payment-systems/)[](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/musks-doge-clashes-with-treasury-over-access-to-payment-system-report-says/)

Given these points, whether this situation is a cause for concern largely depends on one's perspective:

- **Proponents** might argue that granting DOGE access could lead to increased efficiency and oversight of government spending, aligning with the goals of reducing waste and improving government operations as intended by DOGE.

- **Critics** express concerns over privacy, the potential for misuse of power, and the erosion of the separation between political influence and the administration of federal payments. There's also worry about the implications for national security if access to such systems is not carefully managed.

In conclusion, while the access has been granted according to reports, the implications are multifaceted, involving security, privacy, and political oversight issues. This situation certainly warrants scrutiny and possibly further investigation by relevant oversight bodies to ensure that the access is managed in a way that protects public interest, privacy, and the integrity of federal financial systems.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

If your point is: most/all Christians are bad at doing what they’re supposed to do, I think most/all Christians would agree with you.  Recognizing that is kind of one of the roots of Christianity, at least as I understand it.

My experience has been that acknowledge that they sin as some sort of blanket statement, but if you identify something specific, they tell you the Bible doesn't really mean that.

Ok

Like, just as an example, I am currently trying to have millions of dollars in savings by the time I hit my 60s so that I can retire comfortably. I am doing this because I don't have faith that God will provide well enough for me to be able to die with dignity and not end up living a decade or more in a nursing home if I were to go without any savings. I could be using that money to help others who really need it, but I don't, because I believe that I will need it. Considering this sort of faith that I clearly lack is all the Bible says I need to get into heaven, I would say this is a whole lot more serious than some gay people having sex with each other or some desperate girl getting an abortion, but Justwin claims that it's not really a sin. So who really knows?

[CNS]

It seems like sin doesn’t matter at all as long as you shrug, say “we are all sinners”, and then say you are trying to sin less.

We should just set up abortion clinics with an SOP that requires that mantra post abortion.