The Trump Presidency

[Dugout DickStone]

So the strategy was to roll it back?  That's a curious move even for the very old and unsteady

[sonofdaxjones]

So the strategy was to roll it back?  That's a curious move even for the very old and unsteady

Nothing got rolled back.

Another way around ensuring you have people on staff to work the military grade stuff . . . hire ex-military.

[DaBigTrain]

These pesky things just won't sit still.

[Dugout DickStone]

So the strategy was to roll it back?  That's a curious move even for the very old and unsteady

Nothing got rolled back.

Another way around ensuring you have people on staff to work the military grade stuff . . . hire ex-military.

Oh.  So Trump didn't issue an executive order which effectively nullified the Obama regulations.

I guess I read that wrong.  My bad dax, you are an excellent source.  Thanks!

[sonofdaxjones]

Straight from the order:
To be eligible to buy all the (not) banned military hardware, police departments must adopt:

"robust and specific written policies and protocols"

It was also "suggested" that local police departments work with the DOJ to come up with policies on how to use military grade hardware.

If agencies were found to have mis-used military equipment . . . they had to wait a whole two months before they could buy more.

Slightly restricted items: Wheeled Armored Tactical vehicles, all types of aircraft,  Mobile Command and Control Units, Riot Gear. 

Automatic weapons-fine, tactical uniforms-fine, giant antenna laden SUV's-fine, body armor-fine etc. etc. etc.

Worthless

[Phil Titola]

Lol dax

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1272930433542451200

Since Dax is already trying to forget posting this one page ago:

It's just a utter damn shame that the previous worthless administration did nothing to stop the militarization of police forces across the United States.   

   That did virtually nothing to stop the items of a military nature that the vast majority of police departments were purchasing and did nothing to stop the re-design of most police departments uniforms to appear more militaristic in nature.    The NYC cops (for example) are/were still out on the streets in their all black riot gear head to toe with automatic assault weapons.   Tracked Vehicles?   The ability to get around all of that with various wheeled armored vehicles is endless. 

"Controlled equipment list":  Translation-Send a few guys off for certification, check off the boxes-Certified.

Worthless

Amazing.

The problem you always have, Phil.  Is that you never seem to bother with the details.

Did they go and take away anything that they already had?  Were police departments forced to turned in the tracked troop carriers they already owned?   No, no they weren't.

Details Dax, details. 

"The Pentagon said 126 tracked armored vehicles, 138 grenade launchers and 1,623 bayonets had been returned since Mr. Obama prohibited their transfer."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-police-military-surplus-equipment.html

[sonofdaxjones]

Lol dax

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1272930433542451200

Since Dax is already trying to forget posting this one page ago:

It's just a utter damn shame that the previous worthless administration did nothing to stop the militarization of police forces across the United States.   

   That did virtually nothing to stop the items of a military nature that the vast majority of police departments were purchasing and did nothing to stop the re-design of most police departments uniforms to appear more militaristic in nature.    The NYC cops (for example) are/were still out on the streets in their all black riot gear head to toe with automatic assault weapons.   Tracked Vehicles?   The ability to get around all of that with various wheeled armored vehicles is endless. 

"Controlled equipment list":  Translation-Send a few guys off for certification, check off the boxes-Certified.

Worthless

Amazing.

The problem you always have, Phil.  Is that you never seem to bother with the details.

Did they go and take away anything that they already had?  Were police departments forced to turned in the tracked troop carriers they already owned?   No, no they weren't.

Details Dax, details. 

"The Pentagon said 126 tracked armored vehicles, 138 grenade launchers and 1,623 bayonets had been returned since Mr. Obama prohibited their transfer."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-police-military-surplus-equipment.html

Tracked vehicles-Easily replaced by even more maneuverable and capable wheeled tactical armored vehicles.   Bayonets is pretty much meaningless, how many times do cops use bayonets? 

Congrats Phil, your guy made the police type up some rules, toss them in a 3 ring binder and throw them up on the shelf. 

 After that, free to buy planes, helicopters, wheeled tactical armored vehicles, mobile command centers and add them to the list of automatic weapons, tactical gear and basically everything your average military fighting unit needs just short of tanks (that's just for the feds for defenseless women and children in a rickety old houses).

Here's an example of a type of wheeled tactical armored vehicle that was available, just make sure your policies and procedures are well polished:

Available from International Armored Group-Production of wheeled tactical armored vehicles started in 2006:

[sonofdaxjones]

We typed up our rules and look what we just bought!

[chum1]

Dax behind the wheel on his way to defend Trump.

[Dugout DickStone]

so the maga position is that Obama had rules that at least required some work to get the shooty guns,

Trump took away even those rules, and Trump is more aggressive in stopping the militarization?

That's the kind of talking point that makes a southerner hit the coward bunker trapdoor

[Phil Titola]

Lol dax

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1272930433542451200

Since Dax is already trying to forget posting this one page ago:

It's just a utter damn shame that the previous worthless administration did nothing to stop the militarization of police forces across the United States.   

   That did virtually nothing to stop the items of a military nature that the vast majority of police departments were purchasing and did nothing to stop the re-design of most police departments uniforms to appear more militaristic in nature.    The NYC cops (for example) are/were still out on the streets in their all black riot gear head to toe with automatic assault weapons.   Tracked Vehicles?   The ability to get around all of that with various wheeled armored vehicles is endless. 

"Controlled equipment list":  Translation-Send a few guys off for certification, check off the boxes-Certified.

Worthless

Amazing.

The problem you always have, Phil.  Is that you never seem to bother with the details.

Did they go and take away anything that they already had?  Were police departments forced to turned in the tracked troop carriers they already owned?   No, no they weren't.

Details Dax, details. 

"The Pentagon said 126 tracked armored vehicles, 138 grenade launchers and 1,623 bayonets had been returned since Mr. Obama prohibited their transfer."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-police-military-surplus-equipment.html

Tracked vehicles-Easily replaced by even more maneuverable and capable wheeled tactical armored vehicles.   Bayonets is pretty much meaningless, how many times do cops use bayonets? 

Congrats Phil, your guy made the police type up some rules, toss them in a 3 ring binder and throw them up on the shelf. 

 After that, free to buy planes, helicopters, wheeled tactical armored vehicles, mobile command centers and add them to the list of automatic weapons, tactical gear and basically everything your average military fighting unit needs just short of tanks (that's just for the feds for defenseless women and children in a rickety old houses).

Obama's restrictions did force them to return items, which you said they didn't.  Trump then removes those restrictions which for some reason you are fine with despite your claims of wanting to remove these items from the police.   Posting incorrect information while claiming others aren't looking at the "details". 

Amazing.

[Dugout DickStone]

This has been enjoyable.  It is such a dax thread life cycle.

1.  Make crap up
2.  Get proven wrong and that you made crap up
3.  try to make up a talking point where you aren't completely wrong
4.  blame obama/hillary
5.  Go insane with rage
6.  run away into the bushes to lick wounds of ass kicking

[sonofdaxjones]

This has been enjoyable.  It is such a dax thread life cycle.

1.  Make crap up
2.  Get proven wrong and that you made crap up
3.  try to make up a talking point where you aren't completely wrong
4.  blame obama/hillary
5.  Go insane with rage
6.  run away into the bushes to lick wounds of ass kicking

Typical Phil, Dug, Da Big Psycho et. al. thread:

1.  Get mad because I said something about the Barry the worthless deporting domestic/journalist/congress spying racist war monger
2.  Try and show that I'm incorrect by finding a related article but don't actually read any of the actual details
3.  Once a deep dive commences of the details it's once again revealed that what ever policy that was put in place was completely worthless and changed nothing but sounded good to the rock headed simpleton
4.  Declare victory
5.  Get mad again
6.  Continue to be a rock brained simpleton

[sonofdaxjones]

Lol dax

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1272930433542451200

Since Dax is already trying to forget posting this one page ago:

It's just a utter damn shame that the previous worthless administration did nothing to stop the militarization of police forces across the United States.   

   That did virtually nothing to stop the items of a military nature that the vast majority of police departments were purchasing and did nothing to stop the re-design of most police departments uniforms to appear more militaristic in nature.    The NYC cops (for example) are/were still out on the streets in their all black riot gear head to toe with automatic assault weapons.   Tracked Vehicles?   The ability to get around all of that with various wheeled armored vehicles is endless. 

"Controlled equipment list":  Translation-Send a few guys off for certification, check off the boxes-Certified.

Worthless

Amazing.

The problem you always have, Phil.  Is that you never seem to bother with the details.

Did they go and take away anything that they already had?  Were police departments forced to turned in the tracked troop carriers they already owned?   No, no they weren't.

Details Dax, details. 

"The Pentagon said 126 tracked armored vehicles, 138 grenade launchers and 1,623 bayonets had been returned since Mr. Obama prohibited their transfer."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/politics/trump-police-military-surplus-equipment.html

Tracked vehicles-Easily replaced by even more maneuverable and capable wheeled tactical armored vehicles.   Bayonets is pretty much meaningless, how many times do cops use bayonets? 

Congrats Phil, your guy made the police type up some rules, toss them in a 3 ring binder and throw them up on the shelf. 

 After that, free to buy planes, helicopters, wheeled tactical armored vehicles, mobile command centers and add them to the list of automatic weapons, tactical gear and basically everything your average military fighting unit needs just short of tanks (that's just for the feds for defenseless women and children in a rickety old houses).

Obama's restrictions did force them to return items, which you said they didn't.  Trump then removes those restrictions which for some reason you are fine with despite your claims of wanting to remove these items from the police.   Posting incorrect information while claiming others aren't looking at the "details". 

Amazing.

What's even more amazing is that you never actually address any of the details that I posted about Obama's worthless executive order.

In this case, all Barry made police departments do is write up some rules and they could continue to buy every kind of tactical weapon they wanted just short of tracked vehicles (which are expensive to maintain anyway).   

Those rules were so tough that if the police department mowed down a whole crowd of people with their new urban tactical vehicle they might have to wait 60 days to buy another urban tactical vehicle.

But I know in your dumb little head you actually believe Barry accomplished something.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

so the maga position is that Obama had rules that at least required some work to get the shooty guns,

Trump took away even those rules, and Trump is more aggressive in stopping the militarization?

That's the kind of talking point that makes a southerner hit the coward bunker trapdoor

We weren't even talking about guns.   There were no restrictions on guns except for stuff like .50cal's, pretty much any other gun had no rules, automatic weapons, sniper rifles . . . all good.

SlowDug gonna SlowDug

[Dugout DickStone]

so the maga position is that Obama had rules that at least required some work to get the shooty guns,

Trump took away even those rules, and Trump is more aggressive in stopping the militarization?

That's the kind of talking point that makes a southerner hit the coward bunker trapdoor

We weren't even talking about guns.   There were no restrictions on guns except for stuff like .50cal's, pretty much any other gun had no rules, automatic weapons, sniper rifles . . . all good.

SlowDug gonna SlowDug

I was making fun of the GI joe toys and using a generalization but that went over your head down in the bunker.  But thanks for admitting I'm right

[sonofdaxjones]

so the maga position is that Obama had rules that at least required some work to get the shooty guns,

Trump took away even those rules, and Trump is more aggressive in stopping the militarization?

That's the kind of talking point that makes a southerner hit the coward bunker trapdoor

We weren't even talking about guns.   There were no restrictions on guns except for stuff like .50cal's, pretty much any other gun had no rules, automatic weapons, sniper rifles . . . all good.

SlowDug gonna SlowDug

I was making fun of the GI joe toys and using a generalization but that went over your head down in the bunker.  But thanks for admitting I'm right

 

  @ SlowDug

[Dugout DickStone]

   <----- maga bunker door

[sonofdaxjones]

 

[LickNeckey]

https://www.businessinsider.com/house-republicans-deny-obamas-budget-request-for-police-body-cameras-2015-5

[sonofdaxjones]

Gotta say, Obama used a lot of nice words that the Rocked Brained Useful Idiots got all horned up about.

Reality:  Multiple DOJ Police Grant programs which, and I'll be nice, enabled a tremendous amount of "over policing".    They put in a little feel good bump in the road about tactical equipment.    A great way to make sure you've written a bunch of nice words in order to be able to continue to buy military grade tactical equipment, hire a bunch of former military guys.   Obama Administration:  DOJ's Vets to Cops grants, hell even create a "Vets to Cops" office in the DOJ. 

We'll toss in the ramping up of Asset Seizure for good measure.

But, you guys feel better about all the nice words and the little added touch of bureaucracy.

[Phil Titola]

Gotta say, Obama used a lot of nice words that the Rocked Brained Useful Idiots got all horned up about.

Reality:  Multiple DOJ Police Grant programs which, and I'll be nice, enabled a tremendous amount of "over policing".    They put in a little feel good bump in the road about tactical equipment.    A great way to make sure you've written a bunch of nice words in order to be able to continue to buy military grade tactical equipment, hire a bunch of former military guys.   Obama Administration:  DOJ's Vets to Cops grants, hell even create a "Vets to Cops" office in the DOJ. 

We'll toss in the ramping up of Asset Seizure for good measure.

But, you guys feel better about all the nice words and the little added touch of bureaucracy.

Is this anything like the nice words written in an executive order at the waning end of a presidency?  What exactly has Trump done with his time in office on this topic?

[sonofdaxjones]

Gotta say, Obama used a lot of nice words that the Rocked Brained Useful Idiots got all horned up about.

Reality:  Multiple DOJ Police Grant programs which, and I'll be nice, enabled a tremendous amount of "over policing".    They put in a little feel good bump in the road about tactical equipment.    A great way to make sure you've written a bunch of nice words in order to be able to continue to buy military grade tactical equipment, hire a bunch of former military guys.   Obama Administration:  DOJ's Vets to Cops grants, hell even create a "Vets to Cops" office in the DOJ. 

We'll toss in the ramping up of Asset Seizure for good measure.

But, you guys feel better about all the nice words and the little added touch of bureaucracy.

Is this anything like the nice words written in an executive order at the waning end of a presidency?  What exactly has Trump done with his time in office on this topic?

Not much, Phil, until yesterday.

But your guy had . . . 8 years.  Talked a nice game, did nothing, well check that, enabled actually,  and pretty much gave no fucks once you peel it all back.  Hope and Change, tho

[chum1]

Trump has done nothing except repeatedly encourage police violence for three and a half years.

[Phil Titola]

Gotta say, Obama used a lot of nice words that the Rocked Brained Useful Idiots got all horned up about.

Reality:  Multiple DOJ Police Grant programs which, and I'll be nice, enabled a tremendous amount of "over policing".    They put in a little feel good bump in the road about tactical equipment.    A great way to make sure you've written a bunch of nice words in order to be able to continue to buy military grade tactical equipment, hire a bunch of former military guys.   Obama Administration:  DOJ's Vets to Cops grants, hell even create a "Vets to Cops" office in the DOJ. 

We'll toss in the ramping up of Asset Seizure for good measure.

But, you guys feel better about all the nice words and the little added touch of bureaucracy.

Is this anything like the nice words written in an executive order at the waning end of a presidency?  What exactly has Trump done with his time in office on this topic?

Not much, Phil, until yesterday.

But your guy had . . . 8 years.  Talked a nice game, did nothing, well check that, enabled actually,  and pretty much gave no fucks once you peel it all back.  Hope and Change, tho

Do you have any excuse for Trump failures that doesn't include false Obama statements?  I mean we are 3.5 years in and I haven't seen one yet.