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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3375 on: April 28, 2017, 11:23:00 AM »
Trump voters should have to wear a scarlet T to shame them
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« Reply #3376 on: April 28, 2017, 11:25:43 AM »
The ones around here still walk around in those stupid rough ridin' hats.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3377 on: April 28, 2017, 11:27:38 AM »
Trump voters should have to wear a scarlet T to shame them
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« Reply #3378 on: April 28, 2017, 11:28:30 AM »
Trump voters should have to wear a scarlet T to shame them

as is, they're very easy to spot

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« Reply #3379 on: April 28, 2017, 11:30:56 AM »
I don't know Tom but I'm sure he would make as good of a president as Trump.

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« Reply #3380 on: April 28, 2017, 11:31:26 AM »
I don't want to build a wall. That's Trump's crap. I'll believe it when I see it.

You voted for it...you just were so excited you might get some tax break. Great!
Jesus, stop with that crap. Did you love everything on Hillary's platform? Libs who get vile at Trump voters are the weirdest rough ridin' ppl of all time. Like, they owe them something. Like, this wasn't thee worst selection of candidates in the history of time.

When you voted for Obama, we're you super pumped to spend a crap more on healthcare? Like, get married and whomever's provider you choose, is getting deducted over $250 a check now. rough ridin' OBAMA VOTERS! :shakesfist:

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3381 on: April 28, 2017, 11:32:58 AM »
Tap out noted

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« Reply #3382 on: April 28, 2017, 11:44:26 AM »
I don't know Tom but I'm sure he would make as good of a president as Trump.

Way better
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« Reply #3383 on: April 28, 2017, 12:17:48 PM »
Tap out noted

Yes I was for and am still for the health care. It can obviously be improved upon.

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« Reply #3384 on: April 28, 2017, 12:31:57 PM »
Under the current tax code, that burden would be $11,663.75. That is taking the standard deduction in both cases.

that can't be right.  i'm in that neighborhood incomewise and i'm nowhere near that neighborhood tax burdenwise.  even (very roughly) accounting for me filing jointly with another person.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3385 on: April 28, 2017, 12:34:14 PM »
Trickle down has worked for 250 years.  Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so.

If you have concerns regarding the deficit, I'm all ears, but I don't give a eff how much money or taxes someone else makes or pays. Everyone should get paid as much as they can.  Rich people are not to blame for the plight of poor people, there's no coherent argument supporting that statement, only a preference for socialist redistributive policy--which nobody wants in case you haven't noticed.

I have concerns about what this plan does to the deficit.  I don't disagree with anything else you posted. I also don't think if you are wealthy you should get extra breaks ...aka deductions nobody else can take.

What are these mystery special deductions? Most schedule a deductions phase out bssed on income.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3386 on: April 28, 2017, 12:34:55 PM »
A married couple earning a household income of $40,000 with no kids taking the standard deduction currently pays $3,643.75.

nope.  no way, no how.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3387 on: April 28, 2017, 12:36:23 PM »
Trickle down has worked for 250 years.  Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so.

If you have concerns regarding the deficit, I'm all ears, but I don't give a eff how much money or taxes someone else makes or pays. Everyone should get paid as much as they can.  Rich people are not to blame for the plight of poor people, there's no coherent argument supporting that statement, only a preference for socialist redistributive policy--which nobody wants in case you haven't noticed.

Trickle down works for the very few, so wrong, it guess it "worked" but not in a way joe schmoe gets to enjoy the benefits of it. The times of the greatest amount of people succeeding have been when it hasn't been in effect. But w/e you don't understand that. I have zero problem with people being rich, or that rich people are to blame for people being poor, there are plenty of people who are stupid with their money. But when you propose and have but into effect a tax system that allows people to get paid away with literally eff you money, instead of forcing them to prioritize their performance and the performance of the company with bonuses and incentives, tons of people lose. But I guess that's unfettered capitalism for you.

If your company have you a big salary, and mild bonus and incentives, you don't care as much about performing and helping than if they paid you a lower salary, but gave the the prospect of a big ass bonus.

No, it undeniably works for everyone engaged in the economy. Again, this is not debatable. You just want more redistribution and can't understand the difference.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3388 on: April 28, 2017, 12:42:10 PM »
Trump voters should have to wear a scarlet T to shame them

He's a neophyte celebrity just like b.o.  People who voted for obama (you) are just as stupid.
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« Reply #3389 on: April 28, 2017, 12:49:02 PM »
yep, same exact thing

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3390 on: April 28, 2017, 12:58:54 PM »
Trickle down has worked for 250 years.  Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so.

If you have concerns regarding the deficit, I'm all ears, but I don't give a eff how much money or taxes someone else makes or pays. Everyone should get paid as much as they can.  Rich people are not to blame for the plight of poor people, there's no coherent argument supporting that statement, only a preference for socialist redistributive policy--which nobody wants in case you haven't noticed.

Trickle down works for the very few, so wrong, it guess it "worked" but not in a way joe schmoe gets to enjoy the benefits of it. The times of the greatest amount of people succeeding have been when it hasn't been in effect. But w/e you don't understand that. I have zero problem with people being rich, or that rich people are to blame for people being poor, there are plenty of people who are stupid with their money. But when you propose and have but into effect a tax system that allows people to get paid away with literally eff you money, instead of forcing them to prioritize their performance and the performance of the company with bonuses and incentives, tons of people lose. But I guess that's unfettered capitalism for you.

If your company have you a big salary, and mild bonus and incentives, you don't care as much about performing and helping than if they paid you a lower salary, but gave the the prospect of a big ass bonus.

No, it undeniably works for everyone engaged in the economy. Again, this is not debatable. You just want more redistribution and can't understand the difference.
FSD... I know you subscribe to alternative news and facts but everything you just regurgitated out is refuted time and time again both in study, statistics, and in repeated analysis and findings by people who are educated specifically in this subject matter and whose lives are devoted to studying this very thing. Just because you want so badly for it to be true to justify your selfishness and greed, and just because Ayn Rand wrote a fictional book about it, does not make it so. Nothing supports the idea other than fridge blogs/websites and billionaire PR institutes.

Supple-side, voodoo economics doesn't work to grow the economy. Trickle-down tax cuts for the rich don't work to create more opportunity for the rest of us. These fiscal policies have been found to only increase inequality and stagnate social and economic mobility. 

Don't take my word for it though...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-time-to-bury-supply-side-economics-2012-06-08
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/09/16/the-numbers-dont-lie-why-lowering-taxes-for-the-rich-no-longer-works-to-grow-the-economy/#726f612a4bf4





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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3391 on: April 28, 2017, 01:07:50 PM »
I cannot help it if you people cannot understand the difference between social policy and well established and overwhelming economic evidence. Your less ignorant libtarded counterparts agree with me, yet you remain devoted to a false premise (like so many others).
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« Reply #3392 on: April 28, 2017, 01:11:33 PM »
yep, same exact thing

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« Reply #3393 on: April 28, 2017, 01:18:24 PM »
Trickle down has worked for 250 years.  Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so.

If you have concerns regarding the deficit, I'm all ears, but I don't give a eff how much money or taxes someone else makes or pays. Everyone should get paid as much as they can.  Rich people are not to blame for the plight of poor people, there's no coherent argument supporting that statement, only a preference for socialist redistributive policy--which nobody wants in case you haven't noticed.

Trickle down works for the very few, so wrong, it guess it "worked" but not in a way joe schmoe gets to enjoy the benefits of it. The times of the greatest amount of people succeeding have been when it hasn't been in effect. But w/e you don't understand that. I have zero problem with people being rich, or that rich people are to blame for people being poor, there are plenty of people who are stupid with their money. But when you propose and have but into effect a tax system that allows people to get paid away with literally eff you money, instead of forcing them to prioritize their performance and the performance of the company with bonuses and incentives, tons of people lose. But I guess that's unfettered capitalism for you.

If your company have you a big salary, and mild bonus and incentives, you don't care as much about performing and helping than if they paid you a lower salary, but gave the the prospect of a big ass bonus.

No, it undeniably works for everyone engaged in the economy. Again, this is not debatable. You just want more redistribution and can't understand the difference.

No, you don't understand it. It undeniable works, but only those for those at the top, it undeniable shafts the ones down the ladder. Trickle down creates an oligarchical system undeniably. It forces wealth, and thus power up to those at the top, and those people with always do more to gain more of it. Some maybe good individuals, but all will do things to consolidate more wealth. Untaxing the rich to have them to use their wealth to create jobs and wealth for the lower class has literally never ended well. Check Rome in the 100's BC, France in 1789, Russia 1917,  Reagan in the 80's, and what happened in 2007/8. Also check out the conditions people lived in during the industrial revolution as robber barons lived high on the hog and everyone else was crammed 20 people a tiny room in squalor conditions. That was a time of true trickle down, and no one but the top liked that, and now those same rich people have tricked you into thinking their way is better, and every time you say "well duh that makes sense to my dumb dumb baby brain" they cart off more wealth and jobs and leave you holding the bag, sitting there wondering why crap went to hell.

It's not their fault, it's human nature to want to keep getting more wealthy. When you force them to be taxed on their income, but lessen the burden on bonuses and incentives pursuant to the their effectiveness of their leadership, it raises the tide and lifts more boats together. People should be rewarded for their work, and we need the wealthy to be an active and positive influence on our country, they do harbor some of our smartest and brightest, but allowing tax wise them dodge diverts their interest away, as I said if you could read, eff you money, and people walking away from what society needs with the majority of it's wealth and power does not bode well.
 
And of course it's is redistribution, but it's redistribution the resources and investment back into sectors that grow everyone's account, not just theirs. And if you really humbly think about it, the most innovation comes from the bottom, it seldom comes from the top. Where did apple, google, microsoft and the like start, sure as crap wan't at IBM, who laughed at all of them.

Here is a nice graph that I'll let you research the terms for yourself of why this is a worrisome problem, and check the dates, it all makes sense when you see this graph and the shrinking of the middle class.




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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3394 on: April 28, 2017, 01:21:51 PM »
I cannot help it if you people cannot understand the difference between social policy and well established and overwhelming economic evidence. Your less ignorant libtarded counterparts agree with me, yet you remain devoted to a false premise (like so many others).
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You and reno are allergic to rational dialogue.

It's times/conversations like these I am reminded of the great quote by George Carlin,"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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« Reply #3395 on: April 28, 2017, 01:27:43 PM »
Trickle down has worked for 250 years.  Saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so.

If you have concerns regarding the deficit, I'm all ears, but I don't give a eff how much money or taxes someone else makes or pays. Everyone should get paid as much as they can.  Rich people are not to blame for the plight of poor people, there's no coherent argument supporting that statement, only a preference for socialist redistributive policy--which nobody wants in case you haven't noticed.

Trickle down works for the very few, so wrong, it guess it "worked" but not in a way joe schmoe gets to enjoy the benefits of it. The times of the greatest amount of people succeeding have been when it hasn't been in effect. But w/e you don't understand that. I have zero problem with people being rich, or that rich people are to blame for people being poor, there are plenty of people who are stupid with their money. But when you propose and have but into effect a tax system that allows people to get paid away with literally eff you money, instead of forcing them to prioritize their performance and the performance of the company with bonuses and incentives, tons of people lose. But I guess that's unfettered capitalism for you.

If your company have you a big salary, and mild bonus and incentives, you don't care as much about performing and helping than if they paid you a lower salary, but gave the the prospect of a big ass bonus.

No, it undeniably works for everyone engaged in the economy. Again, this is not debatable. You just want more redistribution and can't understand the difference.

No, you don't understand it. It undeniable works, but only those for those at the top, it undeniable shafts the ones down the ladder. Trickle down creates an oligarchical system undeniably. It forces wealth, and thus power up to those at the top, and those people with always do more to gain more of it. Some maybe good individuals, but all will do things to consolidate more wealth. Untaxing the rich to have them to use their wealth to create jobs and wealth for the lower class has literally never ended well. Check Rome in the 100's BC, France in 1789, Russia 1917,  Reagan in the 80's, and what happened in 2007/8. Also check out the conditions people lived in during the industrial revolution as robber barons lived high on the hog and everyone else was crammed 20 people a tiny room in squalor conditions. That was a time of true trickle down, and no one but the top liked that, and now those same rich people have tricked you into thinking their way is better, and every time you say "well duh that makes sense to my dumb dumb baby brain" they cart off more wealth and jobs and leave you holding the bag, sitting there wondering why crap went to hell.

It's not their fault, it's human nature to want to keep getting more wealthy. When you force them to be taxed on their income, but lessen the burden on bonuses and incentives pursuant to the their effectiveness of their leadership, it raises the tide and lifts more boats together. People should be rewarded for their work, and we need the wealthy to be an active and positive influence on our country, they do harbor some of our smartest and brightest, but allowing tax wise them dodge diverts their interest away, as I said if you could read, eff you money, and people walking away from what society needs with the majority of it's wealth and power does not bode well.
 
And of course it's is redistribution, but it's redistribution the resources and investment back into sectors that grow everyone's account, not just theirs. And if you really humbly think about it, the most innovation comes from the bottom, it seldom comes from the top. Where did apple, google, microsoft and the like start, sure as crap wan't at IBM, who laughed at all of them.

Here is a nice graph that I'll let you research the terms for yourself of why this is a worrisome problem, and check the dates, it all makes sense when you see this graph and the shrinking of the middle class.





Here's some more for you, FSD/Reno/Wacky, to peruse at your leisure... And it even uses Kansas as a case study!
http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/kansas-tax-cut-experience-refutes-economic-growth-predictions-of-trump-tax
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3396 on: April 28, 2017, 01:50:19 PM »
I would gladly wear a scarlet O but I don't want people thinking i'm a The Ohio State fan. :frown:

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« Reply #3397 on: April 28, 2017, 04:14:40 PM »
Sign me up for the scarlet O, I want everyone to know I helped make America great again (before it went to crap)

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« Reply #3398 on: April 28, 2017, 04:15:53 PM »
Very proud of fsd for not calling it a black O
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