The Trump Presidency

[sonofdaxjones]

It is the "correct" story but disingenuous in presentation.  Nice job of not emphasizing that the visa ban on Iraqis was done for security reasons and failing to expand on the fact that it was done with minimal transparency. 

so no link to the Obama visa ban? thanks

There's two articles already posted.

[michigancat]

And again, the children of muslim immigrants appear to pose an even more significant problem..

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?

[michigancat]

It is the "correct" story but disingenuous in presentation.  Nice job of not emphasizing that the visa ban on Iraqis was done for security reasons and failing to expand on the fact that it was done with minimal transparency. 

so no link to the Obama visa ban? thanks

There's two articles already posted.

[sonofdaxjones]

 "As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said. In 2011, fewer than 10,000 Iraqis were resettled as refugees in the U.S., half the number from the year before, State Department statistics show."

(ABC News)

[sonofdaxjones]

It is the "correct" story but disingenuous in presentation.  Nice job of not emphasizing that the visa ban on Iraqis was done for security reasons and failing to expand on the fact that it was done with minimal transparency. 

so no link to the Obama visa ban? thanks

There's two articles already posted.

Weird and random cRusty

[star seed 7]

It is the "correct" story but disingenuous in presentation.  Nice job of not emphasizing that the visa ban on Iraqis was done for security reasons and failing to expand on the fact that it was done with minimal transparency. 

so no link to the Obama visa ban? thanks

There's two articles already posted.

This is dax in a nutshell rofl

[sys]

there’s a runaway front-runner in the “wrongest idea of 2016” derby. It’s the aphorism, once fashionable on the morning-talk show circuit, that the media mistakenly took Donald Trump “literally but not seriously,” when they should have taken him “seriously but not literally”.

good article.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doing-what-he-said-hed-do/

[chum1]

Numerous Foreign Service officers and other diplomats have drafted a dissent memo expressing opposition to President Donald Trump’s executive order banning refugees and immigrants from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen from entering the United States. ABC reported this morning on the draft, which is likely to be submitted today.

Here’s a copy of the actual draft. We are hearing that literally hundreds of foreign service officers are planning to be party to the dissent memo; it’s still unclear exactly how many.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/breaking-news-full-text-draft-dissent-channel-memo-trump-refugee-and-visa-order

[Institutional Control]

It is the "correct" story but disingenuous in presentation.  Nice job of not emphasizing that the visa ban on Iraqis was done for security reasons and failing to expand on the fact that it was done with minimal transparency. 

so no link to the Obama visa ban? thanks

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/no-barack-obama-jimmy-carter-9717520?service=responsive#ICID=sharebar_facebook

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So when Trump restricts travel from Iraq it's based on religion, but when obama does it, it is not. What an honest and objective analysis.

Trump caps refugees at 50,000. Obama caps wholly unmentioned. This is just pathetic on the part of the left.

[Phil Titola]

So you guys were against what Obama did but okay with Trump doing it to more countries and more broad/vague? Got it.  Not hypocritical at all. Keep following president bannon down the rabbit hole.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

And again, the children of muslim immigrants appear to pose an even more significant problem..

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff?

http://www.businessinsider.com/minneapolis-isis-problem-2015-9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Tsarnaev

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So you guys were against what Obama did but okay with Trump doing it to more countries and more broad/vague? Got it.  Not hypocritical at all. Keep following president bannon down the rabbit hole.

I don't recall the obama muslim ban being reported. Do you? I certainly don't remember tens of thousands of libtards taking to the straights with unrepentant outrage accusing obama of being a holocaust denier. Do you?

[Phil Titola]

Way to dodge the question....What was reported 6 years ago is water under the bridge....But to answer your question no I do not remember ...Now you answer mine.

Based on the articles posted there was definitely a difference between the two actions no matter what Trump tells you to think.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Actually seems pretty sensible to take a pause and allow new appointees to reexamine vetting procedure.

based on all the refugee terrorist attacks in the last fifteen years?

I think it is based on more than just "terrorism" committed by "refugees." We should reexamine our immigration policy with respect to predominantly muslim hell holes based on all crime committed by immigrants and their children.

But anyway, here's one just off the top of my head that meets your narrow classification. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076

As I mentioned, there are also numerous instances of refugees committing rape, murder, and other horrible crimes, such as this "Minnesota Man." And again, the children of muslim immigrants appear to pose an even more significant problem. Poor immigration and settlement policy is leading to a lack of assimilation and resulting radicalization, such as what the Minneapolis/St. Paul Somali community is experiencing.

I'm not going to argue whether such crime rates are proportional to the population at large because that is completely irrelevant - we are allowing these people in who otherwise would not be here, so we can be proactive about reducing risk.

I think opponents of a thoughtful, cautious immigration policy with respect to predominantly muslim countries with strong ties to radicalization are blinded by a misguided adherence to political correctness.

I think how proportional immigrant crime rate is to the population at large is very relevant. If your standard is no crime at all, then nobody would be able to immigrate from any country.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Actually seems pretty sensible to take a pause and allow new appointees to reexamine vetting procedure.

based on all the refugee terrorist attacks in the last fifteen years?

I think it is based on more than just "terrorism" committed by "refugees." We should reexamine our immigration policy with respect to predominantly muslim hell holes based on all crime committed by immigrants and their children.

But anyway, here's one just off the top of my head that meets your narrow classification. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-dead-after-ohio-state-university-car-knife-attack-n689076

As I mentioned, there are also numerous instances of refugees committing rape, murder, and other horrible crimes, such as this "Minnesota Man." And again, the children of muslim immigrants appear to pose an even more significant problem. Poor immigration and settlement policy is leading to a lack of assimilation and resulting radicalization, such as what the Minneapolis/St. Paul Somali community is experiencing.

I'm not going to argue whether such crime rates are proportional to the population at large because that is completely irrelevant - we are allowing these people in who otherwise would not be here, so we can be proactive about reducing risk.

I think opponents of a thoughtful, cautious immigration policy with respect to predominantly muslim countries with strong ties to radicalization are blinded by a misguided adherence to political correctness.

I think how proportional immigrant crime rate is to the population at large is very relevant. If your standard is no crime at all, then nobody would be able to immigrate from any country.

[AbeFroman]

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.fy23le1ug

[sonofdaxjones]

Wow, the left is absolutely unhinged at this point.

Speaking of the State Department, any entity at State that was on board with any of the following :  Libyan regime change.  Attempt to install Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.  Attempt to overthrow Assad.

Should be purged with extreme prejudice. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I also appreciate how the media has and is totally ignoring the root cause of the refugee crisis.

Great avoidance of the core issue. 

Sad

[Kat Kid]

Wow, the left is absolutely unhinged at this point.

Speaking of the State Department, any entity at State that was on board with any of the following :  Libyan regime change.  Attempt to install Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.  Attempt to overthrow Assad.

Should be purged with extreme prejudice.

who the eff is Yonatan Zunger and why is he "the left" ?

[sonofdaxjones]

Wow, the left is absolutely unhinged at this point.

Speaking of the State Department, any entity at State that was on board with any of the following :  Libyan regime change.  Attempt to install Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.  Attempt to overthrow Assad.

Should be purged with extreme prejudice.

who the eff is Yonatan Zunger and why is he "the left" ?

KK, I don't know.  He apparently works at Google.  Not an entity that seems partial to outspoken peoples of a conservative lean.

[Phil Titola]

Dax trying to paint the picture that Trump ratcheting up what Obama did but somehow only supporting Trump is hilarious.

[AbeFroman]

Great rationized reponse dax! "But but but Obama!"

[sonofdaxjones]

You guys are so slow.  Where was the total meltdown when Obama did very similar things.

Just admit that at the end of the day, this all about politics and very little to do with humanitarianism or great concern about impacted peoples.

We have a refugee and security problem now, because we had an Obama Perpetual War problem for 8 years.

[steve dave]

it's going to be a long up to and including 4 years dax