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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #400 on: December 19, 2016, 11:21:03 AM »
If mexico pays for it, wgaf
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #401 on: December 19, 2016, 11:40:25 AM »
I mean Ted Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols all have more ties to Michigan than any Muslim terrorist that I know of.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #402 on: December 19, 2016, 11:56:36 AM »
Michigancat probably has more ties to terrorism
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #403 on: December 19, 2016, 11:59:57 AM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #404 on: December 19, 2016, 12:00:53 PM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #405 on: December 19, 2016, 12:02:21 PM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #406 on: December 19, 2016, 12:15:08 PM »
I mean, "Fake" is right there in his name.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #408 on: December 19, 2016, 12:17:18 PM »
To be fair, he did not reiterate the MX payment part in his Wisky TY tour speech.  Just that we were still building it.   :dunno:

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #409 on: December 19, 2016, 12:19:14 PM »
Oh, you took him literally?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #410 on: December 19, 2016, 12:40:39 PM »
There's a quote out there to the effect of "the media took Trump literally but not seriously, his supporters took him seriously but not literally." That seems about right, and I count myself in the latter camp. the former seem more than a tad hysterical.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #411 on: December 19, 2016, 12:56:53 PM »
There's some truth to that quote but if you don't take him at his word, what on earth are you voting for?  It's mind blowing to me that a candidate can say "I'm going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and have no expectations that he is going to try to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.  I don't know how people could vote for a guy and then go "Well he wasn't being serious when he said these things but was serious when he said the things that I like."

All of this isn't a knock on Trump voters, but an effort to understand.  Post-election Chicat's belief is still that Trump is a terrible candidate/future president but that the Democrats somehow did EVEN WORSE.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #412 on: December 19, 2016, 01:01:15 PM »
What an advanced cop out method for trump supporters  "oh, he wasn't being literal when he said 3 million times that he's going to build a wall, he was just being serious about the issue"
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #413 on: December 19, 2016, 01:04:23 PM »
He didn't LITERALLY mean he was going to make America great again
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #414 on: December 19, 2016, 01:08:34 PM »
There's some truth to that quote but if you don't take him at his word, what on earth are you voting for?  It's mind blowing to me that a candidate can say "I'm going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and have no expectations that he is going to try to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.  I don't know how people could vote for a guy and then go "Well he wasn't being serious when he said these things but was serious when he said the things that I like."

All of this isn't a knock on Trump voters, but an effort to understand.  Post-election Chicat's belief is still that Trump is a terrible candidate/future president but that the Democrats somehow did EVEN WORSE.

I'll attempt to explain. Simply put, most Trump voters, just like most other people, are not single issue voters. It's not like any of his supporters were on the fence between candidates, but the promise of the wall put them over the edge. That's just not the case.

The "wall" was only one facet of Trump's "eff the establishment" message. Trump won by adding to the typical GOP base a coalition of disaffected people living in the margins who ranged from Democrat-leaning to apolitical, but who innately sensed that something is wrong with the direction of the country under Obama's leadership, and Hillary Clinton was just more of the same. It was irritating that the Obama admin seemed to care more about pet issues like transgender bathroom laws than jobs.

I have no doubt that some supporters will be disappointed if Trump doesn't build a physical wall spanning the entire US/Mexico border, but I think mainly they'll be happy to see a genuine effort at border enforcement and a relief that at least Hillary isn't in charge.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #415 on: December 19, 2016, 01:30:26 PM »
who innately sensed that something is wrong with the direction of the country under Obama's leadership, and Hillary Clinton was just more of the same. It was irritating that the Obama admin seemed to care more about pet issues like transgender bathroom laws than jobs.

obama would have won this election by over a trillion votes if he could run for a third. what trump was able to tap into was hillary clinton being the shittiest candidate a major party has ever trotted out there. even shittier than trump himself apparently.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #416 on: December 19, 2016, 01:38:50 PM »
who innately sensed that something is wrong with the direction of the country under Obama's leadership, and Hillary Clinton was just more of the same. It was irritating that the Obama admin seemed to care more about pet issues like transgender bathroom laws than jobs.

obama would have won this election by over a trillion votes if he could run for a third. what trump was able to tap into was hillary clinton being the shittiest candidate a major party has ever trotted out there. even shittier than trump himself apparently.

Are you talking popular vote or electoral college? Using Obama/Romney as a baseline, Obama 2016 would have underperformed, just as Obama 2012 underperformed Obama 2008. Trump outperformed Romney 2012. So I actually think the outcome would have been about the same in terms of electoral votes. There is no doubt, however, that Hillary was an awful candidate.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #417 on: December 19, 2016, 01:43:41 PM »
Lol
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #418 on: December 19, 2016, 02:41:32 PM »
I understand how he won.  As SD said, I don't think this was about Obama v Trump.  I do think it was largely about "putting the whole system on trial."  A combination of Hillary being very much a part of the system along with her being a shitty candidate in general was enough. 

I still struggle with how a majority of Trump supporters agree that he is lying but somehow trust him.  There are probably rare instances, but I don't think Obama or Bush blatantly lied to the public.  They largely intended to do pretty much everything they said they did.  Trump is not going to try to build a wall.  He is not going to appoint a special investigator to lock Hillary up.  He is not going to ban Muslim immigrants.  I don't know any reasonable person that thinks he will even try to do these things.  But there are reasonable people that trust him to carry out other campaign promises.  That disconnect is strange to me.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #419 on: December 19, 2016, 02:46:44 PM »
How trump won seems to be obvious.  He simply got info on what ppl didn't like about whatevs candidate he was up against at that specific time(primary vs gen) and said he was against that thing and would do the opposite of that thing. 

Why it worked so perfectly well is the question.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #420 on: December 19, 2016, 02:58:29 PM »
My theory: lots of people are suckers.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #421 on: December 19, 2016, 03:58:45 PM »
Ted Cruz would have beaten obama by 1.1 trillion votes, tho.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #422 on: December 19, 2016, 04:10:17 PM »
Ted Cruz would have beaten obama by 1.1 trillion votes, tho.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #423 on: December 19, 2016, 04:12:22 PM »
Cruz might have even lost TX to Obama under SD's scenario.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #424 on: December 19, 2016, 04:18:10 PM »
don't take him literally