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« Reply #24775 on: June 03, 2013, 03:40:31 PM »
And, yes, I think that 14 team conference will still, eventually, be the ACC.

I'm still a firm believer that they'll lose six members over time.  The Big Ten and SEC want teams in that general area, and they're going to need the markets to feed the networks.

There isn't/won't be enough money in the current model to sustain this money, long term.  Consolidation is going to happen.  If you have a network and the means, you're going to 16.  If you can get by with 12, you'll go to twelve.

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« Reply #24776 on: June 03, 2013, 05:54:20 PM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12.  I could theoretically see teams wanting to leave the ACC, but given that they all just pledged their undying love for each other in the form of a GOR, I  think that is a long-shot.

However, if teams in one of these big 14-team leagues were tired of being in such a big league and felt they could get more money in a more compact league, they are not going to be looking to join the Big 12 or any other conference.  They will separate from the leeches in their own conference to start fresh.  Sort of the like the way the 16-team WAC split into the MWC and WAC.  8 of the top programs in the old WAC decided to start their own conference from scratch and left the little schools behind.  In the SEC for example, if they ever got past the problem of looking at their conference like a brotherhood and instead looked at it like a business, I could see 8 or 10 teams splitting off into their own conference.  The departing schools would leave behind the teams that historically underperform or are redundant or are in small population states, such as Miss State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas.

If you had an 8-team league that included A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Aubie, Tenn, UGA and Florida, they would make WAY more per team than what they make in the SEC.  They keep all of their primary TV Markets, recruiting grounds and marquee matchups and none of the "dead weight". 

If schools get disgruntled about unbalanced schedules or having too many moochers or whatever, you will see the big dogs join together and leave the little dogs behind, rather than a big dog leave a conference to join a different conference.  LSU isn't going to come to the Big 12.  LSU would get Bama and Florida behind closed doors and start scheming.

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« Reply #24777 on: June 03, 2013, 05:59:35 PM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12. 

yeah, nobody does.

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« Reply #24778 on: June 04, 2013, 06:22:18 AM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12.  I could theoretically see teams wanting to leave the ACC, but given that they all just pledged their undying love for each other in the form of a GOR, I  think that is a long-shot.

However, if teams in one of these big 14-team leagues were tired of being in such a big league and felt they could get more money in a more compact league, they are not going to be looking to join the Big 12 or any other conference.  They will separate from the leeches in their own conference to start fresh.  Sort of the like the way the 16-team WAC split into the MWC and WAC.  8 of the top programs in the old WAC decided to start their own conference from scratch and left the little schools behind.  In the SEC for example, if they ever got past the problem of looking at their conference like a brotherhood and instead looked at it like a business, I could see 8 or 10 teams splitting off into their own conference.  The departing schools would leave behind the teams that historically underperform or are redundant or are in small population states, such as Miss State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas.

If you had an 8-team league that included A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Aubie, Tenn, UGA and Florida, they would make WAY more per team than what they make in the SEC.  They keep all of their primary TV Markets, recruiting grounds and marquee matchups and none of the "dead weight". 

If schools get disgruntled about unbalanced schedules or having too many moochers or whatever, you will see the big dogs join together and leave the little dogs behind, rather than a big dog leave a conference to join a different conference.  LSU isn't going to come to the Big 12.  LSU would get Bama and Florida behind closed doors and start scheming.
I agree we won't ever get those schools but I disagree that the top sec schools would start fresh. Why?  Because winning matters too. Nobody wants murderers row every year. Right now, those schools have the perception of playing murderers row when in reality they have a couple tough games and a bunch of pud. It's the perfect scenario.
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« Reply #24779 on: June 04, 2013, 06:46:30 AM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12.  I could theoretically see teams wanting to leave the ACC, but given that they all just pledged their undying love for each other in the form of a GOR, I  think that is a long-shot.

However, if teams in one of these big 14-team leagues were tired of being in such a big league and felt they could get more money in a more compact league, they are not going to be looking to join the Big 12 or any other conference.  They will separate from the leeches in their own conference to start fresh.  Sort of the like the way the 16-team WAC split into the MWC and WAC.  8 of the top programs in the old WAC decided to start their own conference from scratch and left the little schools behind.  In the SEC for example, if they ever got past the problem of looking at their conference like a brotherhood and instead looked at it like a business, I could see 8 or 10 teams splitting off into their own conference.  The departing schools would leave behind the teams that historically underperform or are redundant or are in small population states, such as Miss State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas.

If you had an 8-team league that included A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Aubie, Tenn, UGA and Florida, they would make WAY more per team than what they make in the SEC.  They keep all of their primary TV Markets, recruiting grounds and marquee matchups and none of the "dead weight". 

If schools get disgruntled about unbalanced schedules or having too many moochers or whatever, you will see the big dogs join together and leave the little dogs behind, rather than a big dog leave a conference to join a different conference.  LSU isn't going to come to the Big 12.  LSU would get Bama and Florida behind closed doors and start scheming.
I agree we won't ever get those schools but I disagree that the top sec schools would start fresh. Why?  Because winning matters too. Nobody wants murderers row every year. Right now, those schools have the perception of playing murderers row when in reality they have a couple tough games and a bunch of pud. It's the perfect scenario.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

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« Reply #24780 on: June 04, 2013, 06:55:25 AM »
Thing is, the Big 12 has the potential to become the biggest "murderers row" conference out there.

There's still a lot of former Big 12 school fan bases who are desperate to see the Big 12 fail so it will validate their school's decision to leave and it just pisses them off to see the Big 12 in the mix of lucrative media deals, with the prospect of the Big 12 distributing large sums of money in the same ball park as their new conference in the near future.

Plus, just because a conference has a network doesn't mean that Tier III goes away, and in every major conference some schools have vastly more lucrative Tier III deals than other schools in their conference, not just the Big 12.   

In Fiscal Year 2009 K-State's total Conference Distribution/Tier III was just a shade under $12 million.   In Fiscal Year 2013 once you add in the baseline conference distribution, then add in BCS bowl ticket sales bonus, and Tier III revenue we're looking at $27 million plus . . . and the new TV contracts haven't even kicked in yet and K-State's Tier III is nearing the end of its current contract . 




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« Reply #24781 on: June 04, 2013, 08:09:07 AM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12.  I could theoretically see teams wanting to leave the ACC, but given that they all just pledged their undying love for each other in the form of a GOR, I  think that is a long-shot.

However, if teams in one of these big 14-team leagues were tired of being in such a big league and felt they could get more money in a more compact league, they are not going to be looking to join the Big 12 or any other conference.  They will separate from the leeches in their own conference to start fresh.  Sort of the like the way the 16-team WAC split into the MWC and WAC.  8 of the top programs in the old WAC decided to start their own conference from scratch and left the little schools behind.  In the SEC for example, if they ever got past the problem of looking at their conference like a brotherhood and instead looked at it like a business, I could see 8 or 10 teams splitting off into their own conference.  The departing schools would leave behind the teams that historically underperform or are redundant or are in small population states, such as Miss State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas.

If you had an 8-team league that included A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Aubie, Tenn, UGA and Florida, they would make WAY more per team than what they make in the SEC.  They keep all of their primary TV Markets, recruiting grounds and marquee matchups and none of the "dead weight". 

If schools get disgruntled about unbalanced schedules or having too many moochers or whatever, you will see the big dogs join together and leave the little dogs behind, rather than a big dog leave a conference to join a different conference.  LSU isn't going to come to the Big 12.  LSU would get Bama and Florida behind closed doors and start scheming.
I agree we won't ever get those schools but I disagree that the top sec schools would start fresh. Why?  Because winning matters too. Nobody wants murderers row every year. Right now, those schools have the perception of playing murderers row when in reality they have a couple tough games and a bunch of pud. It's the perfect scenario.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

 :thumbs:  Scheduling, scheduling, scheduling + majority of conference teams being pud = perception of a tough conference

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« Reply #24782 on: June 04, 2013, 11:07:01 AM »
I don't see any teams ever wanting to leave the Big Ten, SEC or Pac 12.  I could theoretically see teams wanting to leave the ACC, but given that they all just pledged their undying love for each other in the form of a GOR, I  think that is a long-shot.

However, if teams in one of these big 14-team leagues were tired of being in such a big league and felt they could get more money in a more compact league, they are not going to be looking to join the Big 12 or any other conference.  They will separate from the leeches in their own conference to start fresh.  Sort of the like the way the 16-team WAC split into the MWC and WAC.  8 of the top programs in the old WAC decided to start their own conference from scratch and left the little schools behind.  In the SEC for example, if they ever got past the problem of looking at their conference like a brotherhood and instead looked at it like a business, I could see 8 or 10 teams splitting off into their own conference.  The departing schools would leave behind the teams that historically underperform or are redundant or are in small population states, such as Miss State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Arkansas.

If you had an 8-team league that included A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Aubie, Tenn, UGA and Florida, they would make WAY more per team than what they make in the SEC.  They keep all of their primary TV Markets, recruiting grounds and marquee matchups and none of the "dead weight". 

If schools get disgruntled about unbalanced schedules or having too many moochers or whatever, you will see the big dogs join together and leave the little dogs behind, rather than a big dog leave a conference to join a different conference.  LSU isn't going to come to the Big 12.  LSU would get Bama and Florida behind closed doors and start scheming.
I agree we won't ever get those schools but I disagree that the top sec schools would start fresh. Why?  Because winning matters too. Nobody wants murderers row every year. Right now, those schools have the perception of playing murderers row when in reality they have a couple tough games and a bunch of pud. It's the perfect scenario.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

 :thumbs:  Scheduling, scheduling, scheduling + majority of conference teams being pud = perception of a tough conference

You can't just start jettisoning schools from conferences at this level.  The impact to a lot of state funded universities is too high, and that gets politicians involved.

All it takes is hacking off a half dozen schools with influential politicians as alumni, and boom, the tax exempt status of college athletics is in jeopardy.  And these departments won't have much of a leg to stand on when they're pulling in $40 million a year in media deals with revenues in the hundreds of millions of dollars.  Hell, by then Texas will probably be making upwards of $200 million a year.

The ultimate path of least resistance is expanding the playoff (which is going to make tons more money anyway) and giving everyone a piece of the pie as hush money and letting the gigantic media contracts separate the haves from the have nots.

This playoff will expand to eight in the near future, and who knows, it could pretty easily go to 12 or 16 by the time this BCS contract is up.  The expanded college football playoff will make so much money it will make your head spin.

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« Reply #24783 on: June 04, 2013, 12:09:08 PM »
This thread is really going to get fun in 1-2 years when Mike Slive and Jim Delaney start their magnum opus and force thru the stipend by forcing the NCAA to create a new division.  :popcorn:
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« Reply #24784 on: June 04, 2013, 12:49:28 PM »
This thread is really going to get fun in 1-2 years when Mike Slive and Jim Delaney start their magnum opus and force thru the stipend by forcing the NCAA to create a new division.  :popcorn:

That, along with the Ed O'Bannon thing, is going to change the face of the NCAA.

In my opinion, that wouldn't be bad for us at all.  Once we get through that door, it's only academic as to who plays in what conference.  We wouldn't drop down to a different division unless we chose to do so.  So, we'd be secure as a major conference school going forward, regardless of realignment.

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« Reply #24785 on: June 04, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »
This thread is really going to get fun in 1-2 years when Mike Slive and Jim Delaney start their magnum opus and force thru the stipend by forcing the NCAA to create a new division.  :popcorn:

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« Reply #24786 on: June 04, 2013, 03:12:23 PM »
From this link
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=208104960#.Ua4PU53jbC0.twitter

I found it interesting that Ole Miss @ UT is on the LHN, prolly the 2nd best noncon in the Big 12 tv package (Miss State @ OSU being the other contender for 2nd after LSU-TCU)

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« Reply #24788 on: June 04, 2013, 04:38:42 PM »
uh oh, beems
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« Reply #24789 on: June 04, 2013, 04:44:18 PM »



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« Reply #24790 on: June 04, 2013, 08:16:20 PM »
it's weird how he said some stupid crap that probably isn't true and immediately got fired
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« Reply #24791 on: June 04, 2013, 08:25:33 PM »
it's weird how he said some stupid crap that probably isn't true and immediately got fired

v weird

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« Reply #24792 on: June 04, 2013, 08:32:01 PM »
it's weird how he said some stupid crap that probably isn't true and immediately got fired

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« Reply #24793 on: June 04, 2013, 09:18:47 PM »
Here it is in print in case you don't want to click on the link.COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)

Ohio State University President Gordon Gee abruptly announced his retirement Tuesday after he came under fire for jokingly referring to ''those damn Catholics'' at Notre Dame and poking fun at the academic quality of other schools.

The remarks were first reported last week by The Associated Press, and Ohio State at the time called them unacceptable and said it had placed Gee on a ''remediation plan'' to change his behavior.

Ohio State President Gordon Gee
OSU PRESIDENT DRAMA
•Ohio St. president Gordon Gee retiring
•OSU prez won't address Catholic grads
•Ohio St. trustees: President on thin ice
•OSU president apologizes to Big Ten
•OSU prez jabs Notre Dame, Catholics


Gee, 69, said in a teleconference that the furor was only part of his decision to retire, which he said he had been considering for a while. He said his age and the start of a long-term planning process at the university were also factors.

''I live in turbulent times and I've had a lot of headwinds, and so almost every occasion, I have just moved on,'' he said. Gee explained away the abrupt timing by saying he was ''quirky as hell'' and hated long transitions.

According to a recording of a Dec. 5 meeting obtained by the AP under a public records request, Gee, a Mormon, said Notre Dame was never invited to join the Big Ten athletic conference because ''you just can't trust those damn Catholics.''

Gee also took shots at schools in the Southeastern Conference and the University of Louisville, according to the recording of the meeting of the school's Athletic Council.

Gee apologized when the comments were disclosed, saying they were ''a poor attempt at humor and entirely inappropriate.''

His decision to retire was first reported by The Columbus Dispatch.

Robert Schottenstein, who as chairman of the university's board of trustees condemned the remarks last week as ''wholly unacceptable'' and ''not presidential in nature,'' deflected questions about whether Gee had been forced out by the board.

''It's really about a decision to retire for the reasons that Gordon has articulated,'' Schottenstein said.

Ohio State, one of the biggest universities in the nation, with 65,000 students, named provost Joseph Alutto as interim president.

Gee, a familiar figure on campus with his bowties and owlish eyeglasses, has repeatedly gotten in trouble over the years for verbal gaffes.

Ohio State trustees learned of Gee's latest remarks in January and created the remediation plan. In a March 11 letter, the trustees warned any repeat offenses could lead to his firing and ordered him to apologize to those he offended. But it appeared that several of Gee's apologies came only in the last week or so as the school prepared to respond to the AP's inquiries.

Gee said Tuesday he waited until recently to apologize in person to the Notre Dame president, Rev. John Jenkins, because they had a long-scheduled meeting. Schottenstein said the board was satisfied with Gee's response to the letter.

In the recording of his meeting with the Athletic Council, Gee said that the top goal of Big Ten presidents is to ''make certain that we have institutions of like-minded academic integrity. So you won't see us adding Louisville.'' After laughter from the audience, Gee added that the Big Ten wouldn't add the University of Kentucky, either.

When asked by a questioner how to respond to SEC fans who say the Big Ten can't count because it now has 14 members, Gee said: ''You tell the SEC when they can learn to read and write, then they can figure out what we're doing.''

Notre Dame and the SEC had no comment on Gee's retirement.

Gee also came under fire in 2011 for some offhand remarks he made during a scandal on football coach Jim Tressel's watch. Asked whether he had considered firing Tressel, Gee said: ''No, are you kidding? Let me just be very clear: I'm just hopeful the coach doesn't dismiss me.''

Last year, Gee apologized for saying that coordinating the school's many divisions was like running the Polish army, a remark that a Polish-American group called bigoted.

In 1992, in a moment of frustration over higher-education funding, Gee referred to then-Gov. George Voinovich as ''a damn dummy.''

Gee was named the country's best college president in 2010 by Time magazine. He has held the top job at West Virginia University, the University of Colorado, Brown and Vanderbilt. He was Ohio State president from 1990 to 1997 and returned in 2007. He makes about $1.9 million a year in base pay, retirement benefits and other compensation.

He is a prolific fundraiser and is leading a $2.5 billion campaign at Ohio State. He is omnipresent on campus, attending everything from faculty awards events to dormitory pizza parties.

Gov. John Kasich praised Gee on Tuesday as ''a tremendous partner in transforming Ohio's fragmented higher education system into one better focused on fueling Ohio's economic recovery and helping students meet their goals.''

The president of the American Council on Education said Gee, who is a board member, left an ''indelible mark'' on each institution he served.

''He is an iconic leader, unparalleled in skills and widely respected among presidents, chancellors, policymakers and business leaders at both the state and federal levels,'' ACE President Molly Corbett Broad said in a statement.
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« Reply #24794 on: June 04, 2013, 10:27:52 PM »
Many people at the same level as Gee in academia think the exact same way and think they're bulletproof.


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« Reply #24795 on: June 04, 2013, 10:32:40 PM »
Many people at the same level as Gee in academia think the exact same way and think they're bulletproof.
True, very true.
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« Reply #24796 on: June 05, 2013, 02:08:29 PM »
So, the Alamo Bowl has been finalized: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/57419/alamo-bowl-upgrade-will-test-pac-12-big-12

As it stands right now...

Playoff
Sugar: Big 12 #1 vs. SEC #1
Alamo: Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Russell Athletic: Big 12 #3 vs. ACC #2

So, it looks like outside of the Orange Bowl, the ACC #2 is now most likely locked into playing the 4th best team in the Big 12 every year.

The Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, and Pac-12 have all kind of paired off on their top two bowl games.  The ACC is on the outside looking in at this point.

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« Reply #24797 on: June 05, 2013, 03:13:16 PM »
E Gordon "retiring"

or:

retiring

after stupid crap comes out of his mouth.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1661713-ohio-state-president-gordon-gee-set-to-announce-retirement?hpt=hp_t2

May have already been posted, but wasn't Gee the president of Colorado, and brought in Gary Barnett / winning football culture there?

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« Reply #24798 on: June 05, 2013, 03:32:35 PM »
Gee was there from 1985-1990.  He was there around the time they won the national title.

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« Reply #24799 on: June 05, 2013, 03:36:23 PM »
I bet Gee would let us have trees.  Let's get him.