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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22725 on: November 24, 2012, 12:36:27 AM »
16 teams and pods aren't only where we're going, they're a good thing.
1 non con game (vs Pud U)
1 extra protected conference game
3 pod games
3 inter-pod games (between each pod, keeping footprints in TX and south/east, not playing same team two years in a row)
3 inter-conference games b/w other super conferences (rotating pods, power matching opponents based off of last seasons record)
1 game between neighbor pods to play for cc
Conf champ game
Eventual format requiring 4 super conference champs get playoff bids

Ends up with 8 conf games, plus one for cc game
This would make for better football, and keeping schedules more equal in difficulty.
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« Reply #22726 on: November 24, 2012, 12:51:31 AM »
News corp who owns the Big 10 Network just brought YES, it is the sole reason Rutgers is in the Big 10.  As has been explained already, there will be some minor tweaks to how we currently purchase TV, but its absurd to think we're going a la carte.  There is no push for it from the consumer or the providers.  The only people you hear complaining about "having to buy Lifetime" are single males.  Fact is most subscribers are not individuals, they are households with varying tastes.  The trend to have a la carte options digitally is a good one, good enough to satisfy the vocal minority who wants such a thing.

The push will come from people who don't care about sports but are being forced to subsidize sports. Not from single males pissed off about Lifetime. The response of those people is to "cut the cable" and get all their entertainment from the internet. I think the point of the guy I was quoting was that the cable companies would react with ala carte pricing to lure those people back. If they don't let people opt out of buying ESPN they are going to lose a lot of customers.

Sports fans are hooked on live sports and cable is the only place you can get most of it. We aren't the customers who will cause the change.

The push won't come from people demanding change from their cable companies.  It will be from people who eschew cable altogether because they're getting what they want from some combination of Netflix, Hulu, and NBC.com (for example).

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I can ascertain, cable companies are simply a hub that we pay a monthly fee to access various content.  We do this because, in the past, the only way we could watch ESPN or FSN was through a cable box.  But Internet streaming is developing to the point where we can bypass the cable box and watch the game via an Internet connection.  The middleman (cable) is becoming obsolete.  It's only relevance, at this point, is that I have to be a paid subscriber of a certain company to get access to Watch ESPN and HBO GO.  But you don't need a cable company for that.  I could easily get that for being a subscriber to a certain ISP.

The biggest threat to cable, IMO, isn't the fact that people don't want to pay for a bunch of channels they don't want.  It's the fact that they want to see the same content on their cell phone, tablet, laptop, and TV when they want it.  I want to be able to watch a game from my living room, and if I have to run somewhere to pick up a pizza, I want to be able to switch the feed to my cell phone so I can watch it while I wait at the pizza place for my food.  The fine lines that once separated your modes of communication/entertainment are starting to blur.  Smart phones and tablets run on the same OS.  It's just a matter of time before computers and TVs start to share similar DNA.

There will come a point in time where you'll be able to turn on your TV set, and you won't turn on your cable box.  The TV will be connected to the Internet (like most of them are now), and you'll launch your Netflix app for movies, or your ABC app to watch the game at 2:30.  If you want to catch a basketball game at 7:00 on ESPN, you'll just go to the Watch ESPN app.  KSU plays North Dakota State?  You'll go to your K-StateHD.tv app and launch that to stream the game in 1080p (or whatever it will ultimately be).  If your wife wants to watch something on the TV, you can just fire up your iPad and flip to the same app you'd launch on your TV and watch the game in HD on your tablet.

This, IMO, is why cable will die.  It's a middleman, and no one wants to pay for a middleman when they don't have to.  It's like a travel agent in a world where people are beginning to find Expedia, Priceline, Travelocity, etc.  Technology always finds a way to cut out the waste.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22727 on: November 24, 2012, 12:53:29 AM »
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination

You wrote 5 paragraphs.

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« Reply #22728 on: November 24, 2012, 12:56:34 AM »
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination

You wrote 5 paragraphs.

This is the stuff I think about when I'm mowing the lawn.

I have a good sized yard.

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« Reply #22729 on: November 24, 2012, 12:57:22 AM »
News corp who owns the Big 10 Network just brought YES, it is the sole reason Rutgers is in the Big 10.  As has been explained already, there will be some minor tweaks to how we currently purchase TV, but its absurd to think we're going a la carte.  There is no push for it from the consumer or the providers.  The only people you hear complaining about "having to buy Lifetime" are single males.  Fact is most subscribers are not individuals, they are households with varying tastes.  The trend to have a la carte options digitally is a good one, good enough to satisfy the vocal minority who wants such a thing.

The push will come from people who don't care about sports but are being forced to subsidize sports. Not from single males pissed off about Lifetime. The response of those people is to "cut the cable" and get all their entertainment from the internet. I think the point of the guy I was quoting was that the cable companies would react with ala carte pricing to lure those people back. If they don't let people opt out of buying ESPN they are going to lose a lot of customers.

Sports fans are hooked on live sports and cable is the only place you can get most of it. We aren't the customers who will cause the change.

The push won't come from people demanding change from their cable companies.  It will be from people who eschew cable altogether because they're getting what they want from some combination of Netflix, Hulu, and NBC.com (for example).

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I can ascertain, cable companies are simply a hub that we pay a monthly fee to access various content.  We do this because, in the past, the only way we could watch ESPN or FSN was through a cable box.  But Internet streaming is developing to the point where we can bypass the cable box and watch the game via an Internet connection.  The middleman (cable) is becoming obsolete.  It's only relevance, at this point, is that I have to be a paid subscriber of a certain company to get access to Watch ESPN and HBO GO.  But you don't need a cable company for that.  I could easily get that for being a subscriber to a certain ISP.

The biggest threat to cable, IMO, isn't the fact that people don't want to pay for a bunch of channels they don't want.  It's the fact that they want to see the same content on their cell phone, tablet, laptop, and TV when they want it.  I want to be able to watch a game from my living room, and if I have to run somewhere to pick up a pizza, I want to be able to switch the feed to my cell phone so I can watch it while I wait at the pizza place for my food.  The fine lines that once separated your modes of communication/entertainment are starting to blur.  Smart phones and tablets run on the same OS.  It's just a matter of time before computers and TVs start to share similar DNA.

There will come a point in time where you'll be able to turn on your TV set, and you won't turn on your cable box.  The TV will be connected to the Internet (like most of them are now), and you'll launch your Netflix app for movies, or your ABC app to watch the game at 2:30.  If you want to catch a basketball game at 7:00 on ESPN, you'll just go to the Watch ESPN app.  KSU plays North Dakota State?  You'll go to your K-StateHD.tv app and launch that to stream the game in 1080p (or whatever it will ultimately be).  If your wife wants to watch something on the TV, you can just fire up your iPad and flip to the same app you'd launch on your TV and watch the game in HD on your tablet.

This, IMO, is why cable will die.  It's a middleman, and no one wants to pay for a middleman when they don't have to.  It's like a travel agent in a world where people are beginning to find Expedia, Priceline, Travelocity, etc.  Technology always finds a way to cut out the waste.
Cable will not die
Net neutrality and more mergers (see NBC/Comcast merger) creating more vertical integration of content.

The only thing that will happen in the future are more consumers getting screwed and larger conglomerates.

graphic of what cable will probably look like in the future.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22730 on: November 24, 2012, 12:57:25 AM »
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination

You wrote 5 paragraphs.

This is the stuff I think about when I'm mowing the lawn.

I have a good sized yard.

If you could just shift your thoughts to motion offense, you could bethe next K-State basketball coach.

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« Reply #22731 on: November 24, 2012, 01:01:53 AM »
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination

You wrote 5 paragraphs.

This is the stuff I think about when I'm mowing the lawn.

I have a good sized yard.

If you could just shift your thoughts to motion offense, you could bethe next K-State basketball coach.

I don't want people from Section 17 heckling me.

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« Reply #22732 on: November 24, 2012, 01:09:04 AM »
I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination

You wrote 5 paragraphs.

This is the stuff I think about when I'm mowing the lawn.

I have a good sized yard.

If you could just shift your thoughts to motion offense, you could bethe next K-State basketball coach.

I don't want people from Section 17 heckling me.

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« Reply #22733 on: November 24, 2012, 01:43:13 AM »
Cable will not die
Net neutrality and more mergers (see NBC/Comcast merger) creating more vertical integration of content.

The only thing that will happen in the future are more consumers getting screwed and larger conglomerates.

graphic of what cable will probably look like in the future.


I agree with consolidation.  I don't agree with this graphic.

The fact that a lot of heavy hitters out there are starting to create streaming apps tells me that these entities are preparing for the future.  My kids can stream shows from PBS.  If I had Time Warner, and not AT&T, I could get Watch ESPN.  NBC has an Android player.

Why can't I get an ESPN subscription every month for $9.99?  They'd just make money on subscriptions and not carriage.  The same goes for FSN.  Want BTN?  $4.99 a month.

What if my ISP let me have a revolving account that I could put money into every month that could be used to pay for my monthly access to certain channels?  If I don't care about baseball or sports in the summer, I could cut my ESPN subscription from May-August.

The networks won't like this.  The cable companies won't like this.  But technology empowers the consumer and enables the market to eliminate waste.  Go around and ask twentysomethings about whether or not they have cable.  I manage a slew of them, and based on conversations, I'd say roughly 30-40% don't have cable.  They use Netflix, Hulu, and watch shows on the network websites.  This number will only increase over time.

 

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« Reply #22734 on: November 24, 2012, 02:12:34 AM »
I agree 100% with your sentiments Panj, I would just say that companies know the situation and are actively working to prevent that.  Net neutrality was the first major push.  We'll see more vertical integration in the future because its 100% obvious the US government has no intention of protecting the American consumer.  I honestly think there is a chance that cable networks could make more money if they went ala carte, I'm thinking a parallel to selling music through iTunes/amazon. 
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« Reply #22735 on: November 24, 2012, 03:09:00 AM »
While you dorks talk about future TV packages, I'm going to talk realignment.

If we do the pods thing, how do you determine the conference champ? Do you have to do a 4 team playoff using the winner of each pod? There's no way you could accurately determine the best 2 for a CCG.

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« Reply #22736 on: November 24, 2012, 05:41:59 AM »
While you dorks talk about future TV packages, I'm going to talk realignment.

If we do the pods thing, how do you determine the conference champ? D :billdance:o you have to do a 4 team playoff using the winner of each pod? There's no way you could accurately determine the best 2 for a CCG.

I've been confused about that as well.  Seed the top 4, have two play in games at home fields to determine the championship participants?

It's time to put the lawnmowers in the garage and get to work on this brain buster.


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« Reply #22737 on: November 24, 2012, 08:25:13 AM »
While you dorks talk about future TV packages, I'm going to talk realignment.

If we do the pods thing, how do you determine the conference champ? D :billdance:o you have to do a 4 team playoff using the winner of each pod? There's no way you could accurately determine the best 2 for a CCG.

I've been confused about that as well.  Seed the top 4, have two play in games at home fields to determine the championship participants?

It's time to put the lawnmowers in the garage and get to work on this brain buster.

The whole Pod theory makes that assumption you petition the NCAA to allow semifinal games.  Currently there is nothing that allows you to have them. 

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« Reply #22738 on: November 24, 2012, 08:30:19 AM »
16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.


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« Reply #22739 on: November 24, 2012, 09:37:25 AM »
16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.

10 + 7 = 17  :confused:

I tend to agree with your 2 division theory unless the Big 4 say "eff you NCAA, we are doing our own thing". 

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« Reply #22740 on: November 24, 2012, 10:01:16 AM »
16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.

10 + 7 = 17  :confused:

I tend to agree with your 2 division theory unless the Big 4 say "eff you NCAA, we are doing our own thing".

Pretty sure if that scenario ends up being played that ISU will be the one that get shuffled to the East.

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« Reply #22741 on: November 24, 2012, 10:43:15 AM »
16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.

Nope.

4 non-con games
3 pod games
4 cross-pod games (everyone in your pod plays all the teams in another pod)
1 cross-pod rivalry game (when your playing your rival's pod, then there's either a secondary rival or it just rotates)

The two pods that are playing each other make up a division that determines their representative in the CCG but divisions are different every year because the pairs of pods are always different.

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« Reply #22742 on: November 24, 2012, 10:50:04 AM »
Going back to the cable discussion...

What's the difference between Netflix/Hulu and a cable company for the consumer? They're charging a flat rate for a month of access, it's the exact same business model except they don't own the pipes. If Netflix/Hulu want to legitimately compete with cable (as in first-run and live content), it will cost just as much as cable, if not more.

Why would BTN or ESPN charge a low monthly rate for a la carte or separate from cable in order to make less money? What market forces would force them to do that?

Why do people act like cable companies aren't continually adding services that consumers are asking for and aren't more than a simple middle man? Because both of those things are actually true.

Be honest, you just want to pay less. Guess what, there's no logical business model that makes financial sense for anyone that would allow consumers to pay less (unless you legitimately watch almost no television or are fine with watching almost nothing).

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« Reply #22743 on: November 24, 2012, 10:51:19 AM »
No more rough ridin' cable discussion.

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« Reply #22744 on: November 24, 2012, 11:06:52 AM »
16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.

Nope.

4 non-con games
3 pod games
4 cross-pod games (everyone in your pod plays all the teams in another pod)
1 cross-pod rivalry game (when your playing your rival's pod, then there's either a secondary rival or it just rotates)

The two pods that are playing each other make up a division that determines their representative in the CCG but divisions are different every year because the pairs of pods are always different.

This setup would work with the current NCAA regs.  The NCAA reqs for a champ game is more than 12 teams, two divisions where everyone in the division plays each other.

I personally like the aspect of rotating the which pods make up the divisions as I hope it will keep a repeat of the Big 12 North vs South disconnect from happening again. 

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« Reply #22745 on: November 24, 2012, 11:12:57 AM »
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« Reply #22746 on: November 24, 2012, 01:14:59 PM »

@ChipBrownOB: I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet.
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« Reply #22747 on: November 24, 2012, 01:24:47 PM »

@ChipBrownOB: I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet.

Headshot to the ACC. New teams dont have to pay buyout and free ups more money for new TV contracts. Also force ND to Big 10 on the Big 10s terms.
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« Reply #22748 on: November 24, 2012, 01:26:15 PM »

@ChipBrownOB: I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet.

Headshot to the ACC. New teams dont have to pay buyout and free ups more money for new TV contracts. Also force ND to Big 10 on the Big 10s terms.
I think they're after KU

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« Reply #22749 on: November 24, 2012, 01:32:06 PM »

@ChipBrownOB: I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet.

Headshot to the ACC. New teams dont have to pay buyout and free ups more money for new TV contracts. Also force ND to Big 10 on the Big 10s terms.
I think they're after KU

Am worried about that. Hopefully Shutz's 2025 campaign is enough for the Big 10 to look our way as well. The let academic powerhouse Nebraska in without that AAU banner, maybe they will think of us.
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