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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22675 on: November 21, 2012, 11:59:57 PM »
Hey Dlew you should totally drop by the Maui Final thread on the basketball board.  It's your team too! :excited:
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22676 on: November 22, 2012, 12:01:33 AM »
When our contract leaked, Dennis Dodd said any teams going forward would get $20 million, just like the rest of us.  There is a rumor out there that we can renegotiate at 14.

So, potential for revenue generation is:

12 teams: No one loses TV money + CCG (may work out to 1-2 million per year per school)

14 teams: May open the door to renegotiate total deal

So if we just go to 12, the contract value wouldn't increase, so individual schools would take in less $ annually?

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« Reply #22677 on: November 22, 2012, 12:08:33 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22678 on: November 22, 2012, 12:32:46 AM »
When our contract leaked, Dennis Dodd said any teams going forward would get $20 million, just like the rest of us.  There is a rumor out there that we can renegotiate at 14.

So, potential for revenue generation is:

12 teams: No one loses TV money + CCG (may work out to 1-2 million per year per school)

14 teams: May open the door to renegotiate total deal

We'd get more in TV money due to the CCG, but maybe less after we split out the bowl money to two additional teams.

However, again, that's assuming adding teams doesn't increase our odds of getting another spot in an access bowl.

So if we just go to 12, the contract value wouldn't increase, so individual schools would take in less $ annually?

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22679 on: November 22, 2012, 07:36:48 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22680 on: November 22, 2012, 07:41:06 AM »
I appreciate what he does though. Obviously he's just making crap up and blabbering about it Greg Swaim style but we are all now following his stupid ass on twitter. He wins, you know?

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22681 on: November 22, 2012, 08:14:16 AM »
A 16 team conference sounds beyond awful.

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« Reply #22682 on: November 22, 2012, 08:32:26 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


Best I can tell, his motivation seems to actually be lined up with WVU's administration's...which is to foster expansion of the Big 12 how ever they can.

I have no idea whether they are actually coordinating, or whether he is simply taking it on his own and running with it.

WVU is all kinds of wound up about expanding.

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« Reply #22683 on: November 22, 2012, 08:34:23 AM »
I appreciate what he does though. Obviously he's just making crap up and blabbering about it Greg Swaim style but we are all now following his stupid ass on twitter. He wins, you know?

Ya, I stopped following Swaim because he got just a bit too crazy.

I can't quit the dude, however.  I am like a chocoholic, but for conference realignment updates. 

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« Reply #22684 on: November 22, 2012, 08:38:59 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


Best I can tell, his motivation seems to actually be lined up with WVU's administration's...which is to foster expansion of the Big 12 how ever they can.

I have no idea whether they are actually coordinating, or whether he is simply taking it on his own and running with it.

WVU is all kinds of wound up about expanding.

I am 100% certain he is just making it up on his own and going wild

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« Reply #22685 on: November 22, 2012, 08:57:44 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


Best I can tell, his motivation seems to actually be lined up with WVU's administration's...which is to foster expansion of the Big 12 how ever they can.

I have no idea whether they are actually coordinating, or whether he is simply taking it on his own and running with it.

WVU is all kinds of wound up about expanding.

I am 100% certain he is just making it up on his own and going wild

Reason I know that "The Dude" is making crap up is that he has never once brought up bring Pittsburgh to the Big 12. WVU fans hate Pitt more than anything on earth and will never recognize them as an equal. I do know that the WVU admin wants the Big 12 to look at Pitt if we go past 12. I know that for a fact.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22686 on: November 22, 2012, 09:05:48 AM »
I enjoy Pete's affinity for conference realignment far more than realignment itself. He deserves this.
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« Reply #22687 on: November 22, 2012, 09:12:16 AM »

I am 100% certain he is just making it up on his own and going wild

The Clemson and FSU guys have seemingly locked arms with him on this stuff, though that may just be out of desperation for what they personally desire.

I mean, I WANT him to be right as well...I WANT FSU and Clemson.  So I guess I have sympathy for those guys.  Also, I have a very strong desire to see UNC and Duke get mumped in the ass on this stuff, so there's that too.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22688 on: November 22, 2012, 09:17:42 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


Best I can tell, his motivation seems to actually be lined up with WVU's administration's...which is to foster expansion of the Big 12 how ever they can.

I have no idea whether they are actually coordinating, or whether he is simply taking it on his own and running with it.

WVU is all kinds of wound up about expanding.

Best I can tell, he's probably buddies with a low level staffer in the AD's office that has access to some expansion conversations from time to time. A junior level associate AD that's a friend of a secretary or something.  He gets the second hand info and runs with it.  His declarative statements are funny and entertaining but his track record on accuracy speaks for itself.

The thing that is interesting is that if WV wanted to squash this guy and disassociate him, it would take one phone call to bring this all to a halt. They obviously want some of this stuff out there.

If we were in WV's shoes we'd be all wound up about expansion as well.  They desperately want some mates in geographic proximity and they obviously aren't too fond of being on a secluded island a thousand miles away from everybody else.  Can't really blame them.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22689 on: November 22, 2012, 09:20:40 AM »
Question from a guy who has only been vaguely following this thread for the last 908 pages...

...has TheDude from WV ever been right about anything ever? Tia.

No.


Best I can tell, his motivation seems to actually be lined up with WVU's administration's...which is to foster expansion of the Big 12 how ever they can.

I have no idea whether they are actually coordinating, or whether he is simply taking it on his own and running with it.

WVU is all kinds of wound up about expanding.

Best I can tell, he's probably buddies with a low level staffer in the AD's office that has access to some expansion conversations from time to time. A junior level associate AD that's a friend of a secretary or something.  He gets the second hand info and runs with it.  His declarative statements are funny and entertaining but his track record on accuracy speaks for itself.

The thing that is interesting is that if WV wanted to squash this guy and disassociate him, it would take one phone call to bring this all to a halt. They obviously want some of this stuff out there.

If we were in WV's shoes we'd be all wound up about expansion as well.  They desperately want some mates in geographic proximity and they obviously aren't too fond of being on a secluded island a thousand miles away from everybody else.  Can't really blame them.

I think this is probably accurate.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22690 on: November 22, 2012, 09:30:04 AM »
I think of the dude as a very poor mans chip brown, a willing puppet of misinformation.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22691 on: November 22, 2012, 09:51:42 AM »
 I appreciate Pete's dude updates.

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« Reply #22692 on: November 22, 2012, 09:56:13 AM »
I appreciate Pete's dude updates.

yes, absolutely

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« Reply #22693 on: November 22, 2012, 09:56:52 AM »
I appreciate Thankful for Pete's dude updates.

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« Reply #22694 on: November 22, 2012, 10:24:03 AM »
Hey Dlew you should totally drop by the Maui Final thread on the basketball board.  It's your team too! :excited:
I need to get out to a bball game soon.  Maybe next semester when we get into conference play!



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« Reply #22695 on: November 22, 2012, 10:26:25 AM »
So to summarize, The Dude is a puppet and almost always 100 percent wrong, but we like it because it is entertaining to consider his far-fetched scenarios. Got it.

I will plug this into my goEMAW talking points database, and begin following his twits.

Thanks, fellas.

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« Reply #22696 on: November 22, 2012, 10:47:35 AM »
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« Reply #22697 on: November 22, 2012, 12:11:38 PM »
The dude isn't associated with WVU, he doesn't 'know' anything. He claims to get information from NCST (LOLwut?) but in reality he is just some guy who sits in his basement and makes this crap up to get attention.

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« Reply #22698 on: November 22, 2012, 12:15:34 PM »
in reality he is just some guy who sits in his basement and makes this crap up to get attention.

Oh man, I bet it's his mom's basement! :lol:

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« Reply #22699 on: November 22, 2012, 12:18:35 PM »
http://fox4kc.com/2012/11/22/blog-look-for-the-big-12-to-expand-soon/

Just for the history of the thread

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he Big Ten now has 14 teams.  The Big 12 has ten.  In a land where conference names don’t quite make sense, the escalating number of dollar signs is quickly changing the landscape of college sports.  The Big 10 just added Maryland and Rutgers, and now there’s talk of adding two more teams to become the nation’s first Super Conference. As a Northwestern alum and Nebraska native, a part of me hates to see the Big Ten grow.  I like the history and tradition among common opponents.  Familiarity breeds comfort, but now there’s an uncertainty surrounding these two new schools.  Who are they?  What are their traditions?  What will they bring to the Big Ten and how will it change rivalries?  It’s hard to keep up with all the changes.

Last year Syracuse and Pittsburgh decided to leave the Big East for the ACC.  Notre Dame recently decided to join the ACC for all sports but football.  Now Maryland is leaving the ACC and some ACC teams fear their conference will someday be usurped, eaten up by the others.  Many columnists have lamented the future landscape of college sports, with four major super conferences ruling the land.  Two years ago, it appeared the Big 12 would be one of the casualties.  Nebraska left for the Big 10, Colorado went to the Pac-14, and then Texas A&M and Missouri went to the the SEC.  But once Dan Beebe resigned as Big 12 commissioner and Chuck Neinas took over, he shrewdly lured TCU and West Virginia to join, bringing the Big 12 to 10 teams. The Big 12 lives to see another day.

So what does the future hold for these conferences?

Let me begin by saying I have absolutely no inside knowledge at all.  This is a blog, so it’s strictly my personal opinion, but it’s also an educated, well-researched opinion.  I might be wrong.  In fact, I probably will be wrong.  But it’s still fun to imagine.  So here are my predictions on the future of college conference alignments.

Big 10 – Commissioner Jim Delany will not stop at 14.  That much is certain.  Many believe he wants to be the first one to form a 16-team super conference.  So who would the Big Ten choose?  Many point to Kansas and Georgia Tech.  Both are members of the prestigious American Association of Universities, which rewards schools with high academic standards and superb research programs.  The promise of untold riches from any new television contract Delany could negotiate with the television networks would entice any school to move to the Big Ten.  Georgia Tech would add the Atlanta market, and while that’s a pretty long flight from Michigan, it’s no further then, say, Nebraska to New Jersey.

Would KU go?  I think so.  Texas and Oklahoma can still bail for the Pac-14 if they want.  Kansas is considered one of the lesser schools in the Big 12 (for everything but men’s basketball)  The Big Ten has a great tradition of treating every school equally, which KU would like.  It would also get the Big Ten in the Kansas City market.  Add the fact that KU basketball has a national brand and I could see KU accepting an invitation.  If not, I could see the Big Ten going for a Virginia or Virginia Tech.

Big 12 – New commissioner Bill Bowlsby cannot sit still.  He needs to add at least two more teams to create a conference championship game and better leverage future television contracts.  Who to add?  Why not poach the ACC?  Florida State.  Notre Dame.  Get those two and all of a sudden the Big 12 would secure its future.  There’s also talk of Clemson being interested in moving to the Big 12.  That would spread their footprint through the deep south.  I have always thought the Big 12 should target Houston.  It’s one of the largest cities in the nation and while the football program hasn’t been great in the last two decades, there is potential there.  I also think the Big 12 should go after Louisville.  Maybe not premier programs but respectable.

Pac-14 – I think the Pac-14 will eventually make another play at Texas and Oklahoma.  If the Big 12 stays at 10 teams with no potential for growth, I could see these two schools leaving.  It’s all about the money, and a 16-team super conference can get a lot more money from television networks than a 10-team conference.  The other Mountain West teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force and Wyoming will most likely never get an invitation extended to them.  They just don’t add enough to the conference.

SEC – If the ACC falls apart, you can expect the SEC to jump in to try to grab a couple of teams looking for a conference.  Duke and North Carolina would enhance the SEC’s basketball profile and raise their academic rating.  Miami and Virginia would also be attractive.

The fact is if we go to four super conferences, some schools will be left out.  That is why schools are jumping at the invitation to join a power conference.  It secures their future.  No matter what happens, it should be interesting – and sad.  College sports as we knew it is changing and for better or worse, we’ll have to adapt to this changing landscape and accept the new rivalries being created today.

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