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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21350 on: July 26, 2012, 10:43:49 AM »
I am not saying that I think it is a good idea, but do you think if PSU were to join the Big 12 we, as goEMAW would be able to rehabilitate them similarly to how we could rehabilitate KU from the drug culture that is permeating that school/village (if only they would let us)?

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« Reply #21351 on: July 26, 2012, 10:45:52 AM »
I am not saying that I think it is a good idea, but do you think if PSU were to join the Big 12 we, as goEMAW would be able to rehabilitate them similarly to how we could rehabilitate KU from the drug culture that is permeating that school/village (if only they would let us)?

Let's see how TCU's rehab goes before we all star slapping backs and high fiving.

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« Reply #21352 on: July 26, 2012, 10:52:38 AM »
I am not saying that I think it is a good idea, but do you think if PSU were to join the Big 12 we, as goEMAW would be able to rehabilitate them similarly to how we could rehabilitate KU from the drug culture that is permeating that school/village (if only they would let us)?

Let's see how TCU's rehab goes before we all star slapping backs and high fiving.
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« Reply #21353 on: July 27, 2012, 11:24:52 PM »
More proof the Dude is full of crap, from poster on Shaggybevo today:


Originally Posted by bullet

The following is from the Dude and should be read by anyone who chooses to read what he writes. It explains his thinking and lack of critical analysis of what he hears. You might recall he claimed the SEC put a clause in the champions bowl contract requiring the Big 12 to have a ccg. Well as you can see below he changed his mind and then he changed it back again.
 (in the same thread on WV scout he claims he never set a date for when everything would happen-which of course he did-as someone proved he predicted the weekend of June 23). I suspect he hears lots of stuff, but gets fed some deliberate misinformation as well as lots of pure garbage by people who don't really know what's going on. But he pretty much believes all of it if enough people tell him.
 


[If you were in chat the other day you would have seen where I said the same as Chip Brown. No mandate - not sure where it came from... then... bingo... just when I thought it would quiet down I hear from 4 separate people the SEC is pressuring for the Big 12 for a CCG.

So why does that effect expansion? It didn't have to as the Big 12 just could have petitioned the NCAA for a CCG with 10 teams.

However the parties agreed, at the conclusion of the Big 12 media event, to expand to 12 for 2014.

Is the mandate in the contract? Who knows, we will never see a copy of that contract between the SEC and Big 12, but I was told if the Big 12 wanted the bowl agreement with the SEC last longer than 4 years they would add a CCG.

Hopefully someone who was in chat can verify that what I said.

But I sat on that... until the news that the Big 12 had quietly notified several schools of their intent to expand to 12 in 2014.]

That did it for me. The notifications dovetailed with the news about the SEC and bingo!
 Nonsense is delicious!
 
Holy $#@!. It's official, the Dude is just making $#@! up. No decision on Big 12 expansion would ever happen at Big 12 Media Days. Ever. That's just a collection of folks from the football teams and ADs of the member schools getting together to give sound-bytes to the media to hype the coming season. That's it. As of yet, we don't know the actual numbers on TV money, playoff money, Champions Bowl money or how secondary bowl affiliation will shake out. Way too many questions to be just arbitrarily agreeing to expansion without a formal meeting of the leaders of the member institutions. Just does not make sense.
     
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« Reply #21354 on: July 30, 2012, 11:33:44 AM »
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As experts predicted, ESPN will pay $80m/year for the Champions Bowl per SBD this morning. Same money as Rose Bowl.

Granted, we won't keep all of that money (I don't think...), but it is an argument for staying at 10.

80/10 = 8
80/14 = 5.7

It will be interesting to see how much the conference takes home after this game considering we've stripped away a lot of the middleman (or presumably we are).

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« Reply #21355 on: July 30, 2012, 01:09:38 PM »
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As experts predicted, ESPN will pay $80m/year for the Champions Bowl per SBD this morning. Same money as Rose Bowl.

Granted, we won't keep all of that money (I don't think...), but it is an argument for staying at 10.

80/10 = 8
80/14 = 5.7

It will be interesting to see how much the conference takes home after this game considering we've stripped away a lot of the middleman (or presumably we are).

Wouldn't each conference get 50% of the 80mil?

40/10 = 4mil
40/14 = 2.86mil

Still a lot of money for one game.
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« Reply #21356 on: July 30, 2012, 10:56:50 PM »
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As experts predicted, ESPN will pay $80m/year for the Champions Bowl per SBD this morning. Same money as Rose Bowl.

Granted, we won't keep all of that money (I don't think...), but it is an argument for staying at 10.

80/10 = 8
80/14 = 5.7

It will be interesting to see how much the conference takes home after this game considering we've stripped away a lot of the middleman (or presumably we are).

Wouldn't each conference get 50% of the 80mil?

40/10 = 4mil
40/14 = 2.86mil

Still a lot of money for one game.

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« Reply #21357 on: August 02, 2012, 03:24:23 PM »
scotchy jr. just discussed how his dad will be getting black out drunk at the Tennessee game.  Will likely vomit

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« Reply #21358 on: August 02, 2012, 04:29:38 PM »
scotchy jr. just discussed how his dad will be getting black out drunk at the Tennessee game.  Will likely vomit

I hope to god that Scotch live tweets that game.

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« Reply #21359 on: August 02, 2012, 08:06:12 PM »
Will we have to wake up this thread next spring?  :users:
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« Reply #21360 on: August 02, 2012, 08:17:54 PM »
weren't we supposed to add teams or something?

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« Reply #21361 on: August 02, 2012, 08:20:00 PM »
Not likely going to happen.  :bawl:
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« Reply #21362 on: August 03, 2012, 09:23:47 AM »
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« Reply #21363 on: August 03, 2012, 06:09:44 PM »


I enjoyed the shout out, regardless of the sarcasm.

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« Reply #21364 on: August 06, 2012, 04:45:17 PM »
Welp.

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/8/4/3220424/big-east-television-contract-nbc-espn-expansion
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For full members of the conference to end up, after all of the upheaval, with a television deal that pays them $14 million per year would be a tremendous boost to the league. That figure would put the conference within earshot of the ACC's new deal that will average $17 million per year. To get that kind of money would be a significant boost to each of the 13 Big East football schools. Additionally, the Big East would possibly draft off of Notre Dame on Saturdays by having nationally televised games sandwiched around the broadcast of Irish games as well. The rest would likely be shown on the NBC Sports Network.

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« Reply #21365 on: August 06, 2012, 05:54:52 PM »
Welp.

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/8/4/3220424/big-east-television-contract-nbc-espn-expansion
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For full members of the conference to end up, after all of the upheaval, with a television deal that pays them $14 million per year would be a tremendous boost to the league. That figure would put the conference within earshot of the ACC's new deal that will average $17 million per year. To get that kind of money would be a significant boost to each of the 13 Big East football schools. Additionally, the Big East would possibly draft off of Notre Dame on Saturdays by having nationally televised games sandwiched around the broadcast of Irish games as well. The rest would likely be shown on the NBC Sports Network.

Dear high school recruits in the state of Florida,

Florida State (ACC, $17 million) is roughly equivalent to South Florida (Big East, $14 million) and Central Florida (Big East, $14 million).

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« Reply #21366 on: August 06, 2012, 10:13:40 PM »
Welp.

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/8/4/3220424/big-east-television-contract-nbc-espn-expansion
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For full members of the conference to end up, after all of the upheaval, with a television deal that pays them $14 million per year would be a tremendous boost to the league. That figure would put the conference within earshot of the ACC's new deal that will average $17 million per year. To get that kind of money would be a significant boost to each of the 13 Big East football schools. Additionally, the Big East would possibly draft off of Notre Dame on Saturdays by having nationally televised games sandwiched around the broadcast of Irish games as well. The rest would likely be shown on the NBC Sports Network.

Dear high school recruits in the state of Florida,

Florida State (ACC, $17 million) is roughly equivalent to South Florida (Big East, $14 million) and Central Florida (Big East, $14 million).

Signed,
University of Florida (SEC, $25+ million)
good point.  The football only schools get 10 million, the basketball only schools get 4 million, and the full membership schools will get 10 + 4= 14 million.
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« Reply #21367 on: August 06, 2012, 10:35:23 PM »
From Shaggybevo:

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The modern history of realignment
We are in unusual times. Twenty teams are changing conferences this season and another 23 moves are set for next season. There’s a lot going on and the world seems out of balance with Florida International in Conference USA, San Jose State in the Sun Belt, and the WAC on life support.

A look back on the history of the game reveals that the sands of college basketball’s conference structure are constantly shifting. OK, not constantly. For instance, in 2002, the only change to a conference’s membership was when the Big South accepted the previously independent Gardner-Webb into its realm.

Normally, however, there’s some realignment going on each off-season. In fact, in the 64-team era (coincidentally, also the “football-driven realignment era”) there’s been an average of ten changes in conference membership per season, ranging from the single change in 2002 and 2010 to 31 in 1991. Here’s the year-by-year count since 1985 in graph form. (Enormous credit here to Nic Reiner for tediously compiling the expansion data for this piece.)

[Before we go any further I must explain my ground rules on what constitutes a conference membership change. It should be obvious that a team that goes from one conference to another is counted as a conference change. For purposes of this study, when a team’s move involves independence (either to or from) it’s recorded as half of a conference change.

The only other thorny issue is what to count in the case of a new conference forming. Actually, this issue is limited to Conference USA’s birth in 1995. For purposes of this study, C-USA’s formation is viewed as expansion of the Great Midwest, since it absorbed six of that conference’s teams and left the conference for dead. Effectively, it was expansion of the Great Midwest while taking on a new name. Thus, the only changes counted in that move were the six teams that joined from outside the Great Midwest. Now back to regularly-scheduled programming.]
 
The current period represents the fourth major shift in conference membership since 1985, and obviously it won’t be the last. Let’s recap the changes of the past and why they occurred.
 
1991: The ’91 offseason saw 26 true conference switches, with an additional eight cases of teams shedding independence, and one case of a team leaving a conference for independence. The shake-up can be traced back to the summer of ’90 when there was as much expansion drama as there was in the summer of 2010.

The driver of the drama was the SEC, who looked to expand from 10 to 12 teams while the last of the football independents - Florida State, Miami, and South Carolina - looked for conference homes. The SEC first grabbed Arkansas from the Southwest Conference, and a month later, South Carolina. Florida State went to the ACC while Miami went to the Big East.

While the Seminoles and Gamecocks were football independents, they played their hoops (and other sports) in the Metro Conference, which failed that summer to create an all-sports super-conference that would have combined its current members and remaining football independents from the northeast. Two other Metro programs, Cincinnati and Memphis, departed for the brand new Great Midwest Conference.

The gutted Metro responded by raiding the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt, having also lost UAB to the Great Midwest and Old Dominion to the CAA, scrambled by swallowing up the six-team American South Conference. There were other moves unrelated to this chain reaction but a total of 20 conference changes could be traced back to the subtle expansion of the ACC and SEC.

1994-96: Another period of turmoil played out a few years later with 50 changes occurring during this three-year span, punctuated by the formation of Conference USA in 1995 and the expansion of the Big 12 (and destruction of the SWC) in 1996. Additionally, after playing with fewer than ten teams for three seasons, the Atlantic-10 elected to expand to 12 in ’96, and the WAC moved from 10 teams to 16 that same season. Bigger was officially better.
 
2005: College athletics went nearly a decade with a fairly stable conference landscape. Sure, there was the WAC/Mountain West split in 1999 and some minor reverberations on the East Coast after the CAA raided America East for four teams in 2001. But things really didn’t get rocking again until 2005 when the ACC poached three teams from the Big East to get to the magic number of 12, allowing them to stage a football championship game. (Actually, Miami and Virginia Tech made the move between those two leagues in ’04, the only conference membership changes in all of D-I that off-season.)

The Big East couldn’t react until ’05 when it grabbed five teams from C-USA. C-USA replaced those teams by hitting up the WAC, Atlantic Sun, and MAC. Those conferences in turn took teams from the Big West, Sun Belt, and Southern Conference. The only conference changes not involving this chain of events was the CAA pilfering America East and the Atlantic Sun, and the Atlantic 10 taking Charlotte and Saint Louis from C-USA.
 
2012-13: That brings us to the present day, where once again a large number of conference membership changes can be traced back to small moves by power conferences. The Pac-10 and Big Ten initiated things in what ended up being relatively small moves despite the public’s expectation of massive expansion.

The result was an unsettled Big 12, who lost two teams to the SEC but picked up teams from the Mountain West and the Big East. This sent some ripples down both sides of the country. The ACC saw an opportunity to take advantage of an unstable Big East, who hit up C-USA again. C-USA pick-pocketed the Sun Belt, and the Sun Belt stole from the CAA and the WAC, who had already grabbed teams from the Southland. The Mountain West also replenished itself from the WAC. That’s a lot of movement, but nearly all of it has its roots in the combined three acquisitions of the Pac-12 and Big Ten.
 
What’s interesting about the summer of 1990 is that, like 2010, there were so many rumors that didn’t pan out. In 1990, things like the ACC adding Syracuse, a 14-team SEC involving Texas A&M, a 12-team Big Ten, and the Pac-10 inviting Colorado were apparently legitimate rumors at some point that year, and of course, finally came true two decades later. In retrospect, it was amazing there weren’t more changes in the ‘91 off-season, just as it appeared certain there would be more changes than actually occurred in 2012.

While realignment appears to be occurring at a lightning pace, it could move a lot faster than it is. The increasing viability of conference TV networks probably means there’s more room for expansion in the nation’s elite conferences. The rumors of this off-season involve the Big 12 expanding from either the ACC or the Big East, or the ACC further poaching the Big East to get to 16 teams, or the SEC raiding the Big 12 to get to 16.

One thing that struck me in that 1990 SI piece linked above was this quote from Arkansas athletic director Frank Broyles: “The ‘90s are predicted to be moving in the direction of three superconferences, each with a major network.” The predictions 22 years later aren’t much different, so one could conclude that things are moving rather slowly. Perhaps times aren’t that unusual after all.

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« Reply #21368 on: August 06, 2012, 11:37:00 PM »
katdaddy, One of my favorite lines with all of the expansion came out last summer in response to someone posting an article written in ~1991 about how Penn State joining the BigTen was conference armageddon (the article actually used that term).  The line was something along the lines of:

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What if in I told you in 1991 that in 20 years the BigTen would openly talk about going to 16 teams, the Pac-12 would take Utah, the SWC would dissolve with 4 schools joining the Big8, and that conference would be on life support multiple times with talks of Oklahoma and Texas schools joining the Pac-10 for a 16 team conference, and the new conference would ultimately lose 4 teams, including Nebraska joining the BigTen and Texas A&M and Missouri joining the SEC for a 14 team conference.  On top of that, all of this would play out on the internet on something called OrangeBloods.  Your response would have been "What's the internet?"
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« Reply #21369 on: August 06, 2012, 11:45:12 PM »
katdaddy, One of my favorite lines with all of the expansion came out last summer in response to someone posting an article written in ~1991 about how Penn State joining the BigTen was conference armageddon (the article actually used that term).  The line was something along the lines of:

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What if in I told you in 1991 that in 20 years the BigTen would openly talk about going to 16 teams, the Pac-12 would take Utah, the SWC would dissolve with 4 schools joining the Big8, and that conference would be on life support multiple times with talks of Oklahoma and Texas schools joining the Pac-10 for a 16 team conference, and the new conference would ultimately lose 4 teams, including Nebraska joining the BigTen and Texas A&M and Missouri joining the SEC for a 14 team conference.  On top of that, all of this would play out on the internet on something called OrangeBloods.  Your response would have been "What's the internet?"
thehamburglar, I thought this was interesting...
"What’s interesting about the summer of 1990 is that, like 2010, there were so many rumors that didn’t pan out. In 1990, things like the ACC adding Syracuse, a 14-team SEC involving Texas A&M, a 12-team Big Ten, and the Pac-10 inviting Colorado were apparently legitimate rumors at some point that year, and of course, finally came true two decades later. In retrospect, it was amazing there weren’t more changes in the ‘91 off-season, just as it appeared certain there would be more changes than actually occurred in 2012."
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« Reply #21370 on: August 07, 2012, 11:13:30 AM »
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Champions Bowl RFP's sent to Dallas, New Orleans, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston, Orlando, Nashville, San Antonio, Tampa & Jax

Lol, Phoenix considered while KC is not.

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« Reply #21371 on: August 07, 2012, 11:18:58 AM »
New Orleans, please.

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« Reply #21372 on: August 07, 2012, 11:20:22 AM »
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« Reply #21373 on: August 07, 2012, 11:38:03 AM »
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Champions Bowl RFP's sent to Dallas, New Orleans, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston, Orlando, Nashville, San Antonio, Tampa & Jax

Lol, Phoenix considered while KC is not.

All of those cities currently have bowl games.  The Champions Bowl will become one of the existing bowls in those cities.  The Big12/SEC aren't in the business of putting on bowl games.  I'm sure the bid request contains a requirement on how they will upgrade the lower tier bowl to a top level bowl if their bid is competitive. 
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« Reply #21374 on: August 07, 2012, 11:40:25 AM »
Quote from: @BrettMcMurphy
Champions Bowl RFP's sent to Dallas, New Orleans, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston, Orlando, Nashville, San Antonio, Tampa & Jax

Lol, Phoenix considered while KC is not.

All of those cities currently have bowl games.  The Champions Bowl will become one of the existing bowls in those cities.  The Big12/SEC aren't in the business of putting on bowl games.

also nobody wants to go to rough ridin' kansas city for a bowl game