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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #21400 on: August 20, 2012, 11:47:27 AM »
Yeah, if he says it enough times it's bound to come true.

I personally think that there's some inevitability to it.  Money will follow money.  And with the playoff money, Champions Bowl money, TV money, shared conference revenue money, Tier 3 money, etc. the divide between the Big 12 and ACC will probably be be pretty significant when extrapolated over the next 12 years.

The question is whether or not we wait for Notre Dame at #12.  If they really are going to dig in on independence and mooch harder with the Big East and NBC, which it appears they probably will, then they're a no-go for the next 12 years, and I don't think we can wait that long.

I don't personally believe the Neinas memo that only one school can provide value.  I think that's bogus.  Florida State would be a home run for any non-SEC conference (since they already have a big Florida program).  If they want to come, I think you have to let them in.  Whether or not you want to go to #12 is a legitimate question.  I think you'd really be relying on the value of Louisville basketball to help float the value there.  As I've said before in this thread, they're the equivalent of a growth stock.  There's potential there, but there's also a lot of risk.  You may be better off waiting for someone from the ACC to defect, but at the same time, if the Big East goes with NBC, it may behoove ESPN to overpay for Louisville to hurt NBC's investment, thereby bringing total dollars back up to where they need to be.

Regardless, some of the risk here may also be with the Big East's new deal.  If NBC is willing to overpay for Notre Dame and the Big East content, they're probably going to want a Grant of Rights, so it may expedite our timetable on them.  The same with the ACC as well.  If the Big East dollars get close to the ACC dollars, the ACC schools may push ESPN for more money, and the only way they're getting that is a Grant of Rights. So, FSU may get their feet held to the fire a little bit in the next 6 months.

It wouldn't surprise me to see October/November movement on either FSU or Louisville.  They've already done the preliminary legwork, which makes them more attractive; that's part of the reason why WVU and Missouri were the final two SEC choices.  Clemson is in upheaval right now with a bunch of leadership changes, Miami is waiting to get hammered by the NCAA, and Georgia Tech is probably lukewarm at best (though they're my favorite).

If ND isn't going to move, and it looks like they won't, and Clemson stays disorganized, I'd bet we'd take Louisville if FSU is really itchy.  It would pass, but probably not unanimously.  FSU would have to be at least 9-1 or 8-2 at worst.

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« Reply #21401 on: August 20, 2012, 11:50:29 AM »
Why wouldn't we just take FSU and Clemson?

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« Reply #21402 on: August 20, 2012, 11:51:15 AM »
Yeah, if he says it enough times it's bound to come true.

I personally think that there's some inevitability to it.  Money will follow money.  And with the playoff money, Champions Bowl money, TV money, shared conference revenue money, Tier 3 money, etc. the divide between the Big 12 and ACC will probably be be pretty significant when extrapolated over the next 12 years.

The question is whether or not we wait for Notre Dame at #12.  If they really are going to dig in on independence and mooch harder with the Big East and NBC, which it appears they probably will, then they're a no-go for the next 12 years, and I don't think we can wait that long.

I don't personally believe the Neinas memo that only one school can provide value.  I think that's bogus.  Florida State would be a home run for any non-SEC conference (since they already have a big Florida program).  If they want to come, I think you have to let them in.  Whether or not you want to go to #12 is a legitimate question.  I think you'd really be relying on the value of Louisville basketball to help float the value there.  As I've said before in this thread, they're the equivalent of a growth stock.  There's potential there, but there's also a lot of risk.  You may be better off waiting for someone from the ACC to defect, but at the same time, if the Big East goes with NBC, it may behoove ESPN to overpay for Louisville to hurt NBC's investment, thereby bringing total dollars back up to where they need to be.

Regardless, some of the risk here may also be with the Big East's new deal.  If NBC is willing to overpay for Notre Dame and the Big East content, they're probably going to want a Grant of Rights, so it may expedite our timetable on them.  The same with the ACC as well.  If the Big East dollars get close to the ACC dollars, the ACC schools may push ESPN for more money, and the only way they're getting that is a Grant of Rights. So, FSU may get their feet held to the fire a little bit in the next 6 months.

It wouldn't surprise me to see October/November movement on either FSU or Louisville.  They've already done the preliminary legwork, which makes them more attractive; that's part of the reason why WVU and Missouri were the final two SEC choices.  Clemson is in upheaval right now with a bunch of leadership changes, Miami is waiting to get hammered by the NCAA, and Georgia Tech is probably lukewarm at best (though they're my favorite).

If ND isn't going to move, and it looks like they won't, and Clemson stays disorganized, I'd bet we'd take Louisville if FSU is really itchy.  It would pass, but probably not unanimously.  FSU would have to be at least 9-1 or 8-2 at worst.

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« Reply #21403 on: August 20, 2012, 11:54:02 AM »
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« Reply #21404 on: August 20, 2012, 12:07:10 PM »
Yeah, if he says it enough times it's bound to come true.

I personally think that there's some inevitability to it.  Money will follow money.  And with the playoff money, Champions Bowl money, TV money, shared conference revenue money, Tier 3 money, etc. the divide between the Big 12 and ACC will probably be be pretty significant when extrapolated over the next 12 years.

The question is whether or not we wait for Notre Dame at #12.  If they really are going to dig in on independence and mooch harder with the Big East and NBC, which it appears they probably will, then they're a no-go for the next 12 years, and I don't think we can wait that long.

I don't personally believe the Neinas memo that only one school can provide value.  I think that's bogus.  Florida State would be a home run for any non-SEC conference (since they already have a big Florida program).  If they want to come, I think you have to let them in.  Whether or not you want to go to #12 is a legitimate question.  I think you'd really be relying on the value of Louisville basketball to help float the value there.  As I've said before in this thread, they're the equivalent of a growth stock.  There's potential there, but there's also a lot of risk.  You may be better off waiting for someone from the ACC to defect, but at the same time, if the Big East goes with NBC, it may behoove ESPN to overpay for Louisville to hurt NBC's investment, thereby bringing total dollars back up to where they need to be.

Regardless, some of the risk here may also be with the Big East's new deal.  If NBC is willing to overpay for Notre Dame and the Big East content, they're probably going to want a Grant of Rights, so it may expedite our timetable on them.  The same with the ACC as well.  If the Big East dollars get close to the ACC dollars, the ACC schools may push ESPN for more money, and the only way they're getting that is a Grant of Rights. So, FSU may get their feet held to the fire a little bit in the next 6 months.

It wouldn't surprise me to see October/November movement on either FSU or Louisville.  They've already done the preliminary legwork, which makes them more attractive; that's part of the reason why WVU and Missouri were the final two SEC choices.  Clemson is in upheaval right now with a bunch of leadership changes, Miami is waiting to get hammered by the NCAA, and Georgia Tech is probably lukewarm at best (though they're my favorite).

If ND isn't going to move, and it looks like they won't, and Clemson stays disorganized, I'd bet we'd take Louisville if FSU is really itchy.  It would pass, but probably not unanimously.  FSU would have to be at least 9-1 or 8-2 at worst.

again, half as long

FSU probably inevitable.  Hard to get more money out of ESPN for them because they won't want to hurt their investment in ACC.

Louisville likely because they have money and can move quick.  Also, if the Big East goes with NBC, ESPN may overpay for them to stick it to the Big East.

Clemson is a mess.  They seem really, really divided on this.  Like, more than most schools.  However, new power structure may be in favor of moving to Big 12.  Former administration (i.e. AD) was very pro-ACC and he's stepping down.  But will they be able to get their crap together fast enough?

FSU probably makes a decision before the first of the year.

Due to television contracts and all of the incestual relationships and agreements, to avoid lawsuits, I'm guessing no one goes anywhere until 2015.  The Big East is going to get raided one last time for at least 1-3 schools, and none of the schools left (save Louisville) probably have the cash on hand or boosters to make those moves happen. So, they need to wait until Navy joins in 2015 so everyone can get the prerequisite number of schools so no TV deals get screwed and no one gets sued.

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« Reply #21405 on: August 20, 2012, 12:12:47 PM »
eff Louisville.

Get Clemson.
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« Reply #21406 on: August 20, 2012, 04:25:34 PM »
I don't want to lose FSU.  Just pull FSU and then start taking applications.

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« Reply #21407 on: August 20, 2012, 04:27:30 PM »
I wouldn't mind Louisville. Close proximity, great basketball program and arena, and an improving football program.

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« Reply #21408 on: August 20, 2012, 04:55:21 PM »
Coalaggie supposedly knows how to party (just in 2012 and 2007 apparently) and is a leader in fire safety:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48727305/ns/today-back_to_school/

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« Reply #21409 on: August 20, 2012, 06:52:27 PM »
Coalaggie supposedly knows how to party (just in 2012 and 2007 apparently) and is a leader in fire safety:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48727305/ns/today-back_to_school/

I'm sort of feeling inferior now.  I remember who some of the aggies are in the conference (Coal Aggies, Flood Aggies), but I've lost track of what sort of Aggies the other schools are.  Now that Mizzou left (Klan Aggies) along with Colorado (Weed Aggies), I'm sort of flummoxed.  Anyone have a guide on how to identify or aggie neighbors?  TIA.

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« Reply #21410 on: August 20, 2012, 10:22:18 PM »
I wouldn't mind Louisville. Close proximity, great basketball program and arena, and an improving football program.

Improving? Did you see the game last year when they lost at home to Florida International in front of a solid 18,000 people in the stands?
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« Reply #21411 on: August 20, 2012, 11:08:54 PM »
I wouldn't mind Louisville. Close proximity, great basketball program and arena, and an improving football program.

Improving? Did you see the game last year when they lost at home to Florida International in front of a solid 18,000 people in the stands?

While I'm not a big Louisville fan, they have a solid, overall athletic department that is rolling in revenue.

The Big 12 isn't going to get rich peeling away schools in large population centers at this point.  There aren't many of value.  Our best chance at getting good TV contracts is finding schools that are highly competitive in football and men's basketball, and Louisville does hover around the Top 25 in both nearly every year.  They've also got a very competitive baseball team.

If we can't peel away Clemson or GT, they're probably the best option.  They also have the cash to move quickly, so we wouldn't have to float them any money.  That may be a factor.

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« Reply #21412 on: August 20, 2012, 11:16:54 PM »
The big 12 needs to get currie involved in this somehow.  The guy has a knack for getting deals done and is just the sort of person we need to get FSU and Clemson into the fold.  Gitrdone.

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« Reply #21413 on: August 20, 2012, 11:24:41 PM »
The big 12 needs to get currie involved in this somehow.  The guy has a knack for getting deals done and is just the sort of person we need to get FSU and Clemson into the fold.  Gitrdone.

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« Reply #21414 on: August 20, 2012, 11:58:12 PM »
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« Reply #21415 on: August 21, 2012, 12:10:51 AM »
I wouldn't mind Louisville. Close proximity, great basketball program and arena, and an improving football program.

Improving? Did you see the game last year when they lost at home to Florida International in front of a solid 18,000 people in the stands?

Charlie Strong has them going in the right direction. I know the Big East sucks but they are picked to win the conference and they are ranked in the preseason. Not saying they are great but I wouldn't mind adding them.

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« Reply #21416 on: August 21, 2012, 06:10:19 AM »
Louisville rough ridin' sucks and I hate them and they would make the big 12 look like complete dogshit. Also I'm pretty positive nobody in the conference is seriously considering them. Also the dude guy doesn't know crap and never has.

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« Reply #21417 on: August 21, 2012, 07:32:28 AM »
If we add Louisville then this conference is ran by idiots and we're mumped

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« Reply #21418 on: August 21, 2012, 07:36:01 AM »
if we can lure Louisville into the b12 i would consider it quite a coup d'etat.  from there the pieces of the puzzle will begin to come together.


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« Reply #21419 on: August 21, 2012, 07:55:33 AM »
Guys, if Baylor was named Waco I wouldn't want them either.  Naming your school after a city sounds so small timey.

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« Reply #21420 on: August 21, 2012, 07:56:43 AM »
Guys, if Baylor was named Waco I wouldn't want them either.  Naming your school after a city sounds so small timey.

that's true but nobody wants baylor when their name is baylor either.  poor example. 

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« Reply #21421 on: August 21, 2012, 07:59:14 AM »
Guys, if Baylor was named Waco I wouldn't want them either.  Naming your school after a city sounds so small timey.

that's true but nobody wants baylor when their name is baylor either.  poor example.

Well like what if we were Manhattan University or Flint Hills College?  Is that a better example Steve Dave?

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« Reply #21422 on: August 21, 2012, 08:01:52 AM »
as a lot of you know, my friend works in the louisville AD.  he told me this weekend when i was in KY visiting, that they already have a silent commitment to the b12 that hasn't been announced yet because of politics.  friend said that currie and the animal both played a big part in luring the cardinals into the b12 and that they are going to be our b12 east rival.

rumor in l'ville is that they could bring in another big east team w/ them but he said he couldn't tell me who it is because of politics.


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« Reply #21423 on: August 21, 2012, 08:02:51 AM »
Guys, if Baylor was named Waco I wouldn't want them either.  Naming your school after a city sounds so small timey.

that's true but nobody wants baylor when their name is baylor either.  poor example.

Well like what if we were Manhattan University or Flint Hills College?  Is that a better example Steve Dave?

no, worse if anything

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« Reply #21424 on: August 21, 2012, 08:06:35 AM »
Guys, if Baylor was named Waco I wouldn't want them either.  Naming your school after a city sounds so small timey.

that's true but nobody wants baylor when their name is baylor either.  poor example.

Well like what if we were Manhattan University or Flint Hills College?  Is that a better example Steve Dave?

no, worse if anything

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