Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[MadCat]

The roaches will want something to read while they eat their Twinkies. 

[steve dave]

remember when Dan Beebe made his secret visit to meet with The Animal?

[Dugout DickStone]

Bowlsby needs to go to Tallahassee tonight, just to freak everyone out.

[Panjandrum]

If you believe Dennis Dodd's old article about the TV money being equal for any new members (11 or 12), that suggests to me that ABC/ESPN/FOX want expansion to happen.

If I put on my tin foil hat, I think ESPN realizes that they're going to lose Big East football, which isn't a horrible thing, but it's a lot of content that disappears (and was willing to play during undesirable time slots).  I think ESPN is all for moving ACC teams to the Big 12, but they would keep the distribution the same so as not to appear that they were enticing someone to leave the ACC for the Big 12 or actively make the Big 12 want to expand.  The "all in" content package of the ACC means that they get a bevy of content for a crap ton of east coast schools that won't complain if they make them play on Thursday and Friday nights and Saturdays at noon on ESPNU and WatchESPN.

So, I personally think ESPN wants us to raid the ACC, they want the ACC to raid the Big East, and they want to leave a pile of crap for NBC to sandwich around Notre Dame.  If the ACC lost, say, four schools and added two (UConn and Rutgers, UConn and Louisville, etc.), then went and added, say, Villanova, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and Marquette or St. Johns), they could have a 16 team basketball conference, 12 football members, and really, no one would have any issue with it because pretty much any school that's in the national consciousness would have a seat at the table.  ESPN would only have to deal with five conferences instead of six, and they'd control all of the content for the ACC, every single bit of Tier 2 and Tier 3 content for the SEC, a huge chunk of the Big 12 and Pac 12, and a lot of Tier 1 Big Ten content.

I mean, at that point, if they negotiated with the A-10 and WCC, they'd pretty much have the entirety of NCAA athletics on lock down.

[ew2x4]

The only thing that could kill this thread is TP.

[Pete]

The league's response is equally notable for the part of the Chronicle scoop that it didn't refute, the one that claimed Big Ten presidents are currently debating whether to allow Penn State to remain in the conference at all in the wake of the devastating Jerry Sandusky sex scandal. PSU is already facing crippling judgments from the NCAA and the Department of Education for its negligent response to allegations Sandusky was abusing children in the Nittany Lion locker room, including the possibility that the football program will be shut down under the "death penalty." Current language in the 2011-12 Big Ten handbook requires any member that fails to show complete and accurate information during an investigation to "show cause why its membership in the conference should not be suspended or terminated." At the final stage, expulsion would require a vote of at least 70 percent, or eight of twelve member schools.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19621447

Big East would love to get their hands on Penn State, but they'd probably just go independent again.

[steve dave]

B12 should immediately reach out to Pitt, Penn State, BC, Syracuse and Rutgers.  Then dangle that 16th spot in front of ND's fat face. 

[Pete]

You think those egg heads would really vote Penn State out?  I mean, it seems too ridiculous to believe, but man if they did....

[steve dave]

You think those egg heads would really vote Penn State out?  I mean, it seems too ridiculous to believe, but man if they did....

they won't.  the only reason they would even consider it is if Penn State's finances become so busted that they can't really function as the academic institution they were. 

[Pete]

You think those egg heads would really vote Penn State out?  I mean, it seems too ridiculous to believe, but man if they did....

they won't.  the only reason they would even consider it is if Penn State's finances become so busted that they can't really function as the academic institution they were.

I wonder if the AAU would strip them.  I'm sure they are pissed already.

[steve dave]

Steven M. Sipple ?@HuskerExtraSip
To clarify: Perlman's email made it clear that booting Penn State from big 10 isn't an option being discussed by presidents/chancellors.

[Pete]

Steven M. Sipple ?@HuskerExtraSip
To clarify: Perlman's email made it clear that booting Penn State from big 10 isn't an option being discussed by presidents/chancellors.

LOL, Harv can't very well advocate for a University to be removed from the conference for a reduction in academic prestige, can he...

[steve dave]

Steven M. Sipple ?@HuskerExtraSip
To clarify: Perlman's email made it clear that booting Penn State from big 10 isn't an option being discussed by presidents/chancellors.

LOL, Harv can't very well advocate for a University to be removed from the conference for a reduction in academic prestige, can he...

yes, good point here by pete

[steve dave]

I'll see if BSAC can poke around a bit.  He's usually able to get this kind of info.

[Pete]

Chip Brown @ChipBrownOB
2h
There's nothing in writing that says that... RT @jamieRazorback: @ChipBrownOB any truth to "Big 12 has to have 12 by 2014 champions bowl"?

Even Chip knows that Champions game stuff was bullshit.

[Panjandrum]

Chip Brown @ChipBrownOB
2h
There's nothing in writing that says that... RT @jamieRazorback: @ChipBrownOB any truth to "Big 12 has to have 12 by 2014 champions bowl"?

Even Chip knows that Champions game stuff was bullshit.

The Baylor and WVU guys have gone batshit.

[Katpappy]

Let me expand on the question.  Why in the eff did the insiders that have all the info., not bring this too light.

they are making crap up

Once again, SD called this one 100% correct. 

[SkinnyBenny]

Guys, I was entertaining Dr. Spaceman on Bourbon Street tonight and we saw a middle-aged dad guy walking in a WVU/Big XII!!! shirt. We kicked him in the balls and told him to get FSU on the line immediately. Was this the right call?

[SkinnyBenny]

Was not aware of the following things regarding the Big 10 and the ACC (from a few posters on Penn State's GPC):

 

I'm telling you, there is no good in PSU remaining in the Big 10.  There never has been. We were never accepted and when we came in and made them look like a bunch of softies right away, their feelings were hurt. They haven't forgotten how we embarassed them on the field and we haven't forgotten how they have treated us from day 1.

Time to go to the ACC. That is where we belong with our natural rivalries.

The Big 10 is dying a slow death. It's economy is crumbling because they refuse to let go of their heyday and admit that it is the 21st century. Their population is declining and the young talent is moving on to where they can get real jobs and not live in foreclosed neighborhoods. Let's not die with it.

The ACC is reinventing, it is innovating, it is exciting. Their economy is growng and expanding and so is their polulation. Their revenues aren't yet at Big 10 level but with PSU and likely ND eventually, it will dwarf the Big 10.

Now is the inflection point. Now is the time.

[puniraptor]

Was not aware of the following things regarding the Big 10 and the ACC (from a few posters on Penn State's GPC):

 

I'm telling you, there is no good in PSU remaining in the Big 10.  There never has been. We were never accepted and when we came in and made them look like a bunch of softies right away, their feelings were hurt. They haven't forgotten how we embarassed them on the field and we haven't forgotten how they have treated us from day 1.

Time to go to the ACC. That is where we belong with our natural rivalries.

The Big 10 is dying a slow death. It's economy is crumbling because they refuse to let go of their heyday and admit that it is the 21st century. Their population is declining and the young talent is moving on to where they can get real jobs and not live in foreclosed neighborhoods. Let's not die with it.

The ACC is reinventing, it is innovating, it is exciting. Their economy is growng and expanding and so is their polulation. Their revenues aren't yet at Big 10 level but with PSU and likely ND eventually, it will dwarf the Big 10.

Now is the inflection point. Now is the time.

Holy smokes.

[Panjandrum]

Was not aware of the following things regarding the Big 10 and the ACC (from a few posters on Penn State's GPC):

 

I'm telling you, there is no good in PSU remaining in the Big 10.  There never has been. We were never accepted and when we came in and made them look like a bunch of softies right away, their feelings were hurt. They haven't forgotten how we embarassed them on the field and we haven't forgotten how they have treated us from day 1.

Time to go to the ACC. That is where we belong with our natural rivalries.

The Big 10 is dying a slow death. It's economy is crumbling because they refuse to let go of their heyday and admit that it is the 21st century. Their population is declining and the young talent is moving on to where they can get real jobs and not live in foreclosed neighborhoods. Let's not die with it.

The ACC is reinventing, it is innovating, it is exciting. Their economy is growng and expanding and so is their polulation. Their revenues aren't yet at Big 10 level but with PSU and likely ND eventually, it will dwarf the Big 10.

Now is the inflection point. Now is the time.

Holy smokes.

I'm sure the ACC would like to have Penn State and Miami on crippling sanctions at the same time while Pitt and Syracuse carry the banner in their absence.

[Panjandrum]

Also, the Big Ten teams have a Grant of Rights that lasts somewhere into the late 2020's, so, yeah, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[steve dave]

Also, the Big Ten teams have a Grant of Rights that lasts somewhere into the late 2020's, so, yeah, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

GOR is quite the buzzword(s) lately.  they don't hold any more power over teams/conferences then a buyout does.  it can be negotiated out of just like a buyout.  there will be terms in the contract that team/teams will point to as not being upheld as their reason for leaving and, at threat of lawsuit, a meeting in the middle would be arranged. 

[Pete]

Also, the Big Ten teams have a Grant of Rights that lasts somewhere into the late 2020's, so, yeah, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

GOR is quite the buzzword(s) lately.  they don't hold any more power over teams/conferences then a buyout does.  it can be negotiated out of just like a buyout.  there will be terms in the contract that team/teams will point to as not being upheld as their reason for leaving and, at threat of lawsuit, a meeting in the middle would be arranged.

GOR is another term for "If Texas and/or OU leave, we'll at least get a bunch of money instead of being left completely empty handed."  It's a huge time saver to say "G-O-R" instead of "If Texas and/or OU leave, we'll at least get a bunch of money instead of being left completely empty handed."

[doom]

Also, the Big Ten teams have a Grant of Rights that lasts somewhere into the late 2020's, so, yeah, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

GOR is quite the buzzword(s) lately.  they don't hold any more power over teams/conferences then a buyout does.  it can be negotiated out of just like a buyout.  there will be terms in the contract that team/teams will point to as not being upheld as their reason for leaving and, at threat of lawsuit, a meeting in the middle would be arranged.

I think the big ten would hand the ACC a case of its favorite beer for taking them off its hands and call it a day at this point.