Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[SwiftCat]

I don't think anyone here is really understanding how this crap works.  the big east can't force WV to stay.  They can join the big 12 whenever they want.  they could (will) face a judgement when/if they do if they don't reach an agreement but their filing the proactive suit against the conference basically told them they were leaving and let's get down to dollars.  people act like a court is going to physically force WV to stay in the BE.  They will be in the B12.  This is all wrangling for what they will end up paying to do so.  also "are in non-binding mediation talks and the two sides are scheduled for a status conference next week" means they are just sitting their attorneys in a room and neither side has to agree to crap.  The fact that they entered into non-binding arb means they both know what's up and the dollar figure just isn't agreed upon yet.  It will be.  Just like it will be with aTm, MU and it was with NU and CU.  

This is a good post.

[steve dave]

I don't think anyone here is really understanding how this crap works.  the big east can't force WV to stay.  They can join the big 12 whenever they want.  they could (will) face a judgement when/if they do if they don't reach an agreement but their filing the proactive suit against the conference basically told them they were leaving and let's get down to dollars.  people act like a court is going to physically force WV to stay in the BE.  They will be in the B12.  This is all wrangling for what they will end up paying to do so.  also "are in non-binding mediation talks and the two sides are scheduled for a status conference next week" means they are just sitting their attorneys in a room and neither side has to agree to crap.  The fact that they entered into non-binding arb means they both know what's up and the dollar figure just isn't agreed upon yet.  It will be.  Just like it will be with aTm, MU and it was with NU and CU.  

This is a good post.

you're god damn right it is swift cat you old son of a bitch!

[CyberToothCat]

Disparities in the 120-member bowl subdivision have grown increasingly pronounced since then. Individual schools' athletics revenues ranged from $3.8 million to nearly $144 million in 2010, according to the NCAA, prompting the less wealthy to lean more heavily on student fees and other institutional subsidization to try to stay competitive.

We can talk about TV markets and everything going forward, but the truth is that the next cutoff is going to be schools who are willing to ante up for a seat at the table.

Where do we sit in this discussion?

We're in the top 60 for sure.

yeah. we also should've been in the sugar this year.

Wouldn't have been that much more money, if that's what you're talking about.

I'm not sure I agree with you.

If K-State had been invited to the Sugar, we would have had two teams in the BCS (first gets $22.3 million, second gets $6.1 million) and we would not have had to send anyone to the Independence bowl.  According to the link below, that would have meant total revenue of about $44,100,000 for the conference (or $4,410,000 per school).

With only one team in the BCS, it looks like the conference got a total of about $39,150,000 (or about $3,915,000 per school).  The difference is about $495,000.  A half of a million dollars per school is pretty nice money.  That would be a nice chunk to add to our facility upgrade fund, or scholarship fund, or coaching salary fund, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/bowl-game-payouts-map-2011-2012-bcs_n_1174808.html

[chum1]

there is a sugar bowl butthurt thread, you guys.

[ednksu]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7540242/west-virginia-mountaineers-cancel-sept-8-game-florida-state-seminoles

[LandThieves]

WVU/Big East have a meeting on the 9th hope the damn schedule is released soon after

[Rams]

JFC, I completely missed the last page of this thread. 

[Rams]

Disparities in the 120-member bowl subdivision have grown increasingly pronounced since then. Individual schools' athletics revenues ranged from $3.8 million to nearly $144 million in 2010, according to the NCAA, prompting the less wealthy to lean more heavily on student fees and other institutional subsidization to try to stay competitive.

We can talk about TV markets and everything going forward, but the truth is that the next cutoff is going to be schools who are willing to ante up for a seat at the table.

Where do we sit in this discussion?

We're in the top 60 for sure.

yeah. we also should've been in the sugar this year.

Wouldn't have been that much more money, if that's what you're talking about.

I'm not sure I agree with you.

If K-State had been invited to the Sugar, we would have had two teams in the BCS (first gets $22.3 million, second gets $6.1 million) and we would not have had to send anyone to the Independence bowl.  According to the link below, that would have meant total revenue of about $44,100,000 for the conference (or $4,410,000 per school).

With only one team in the BCS, it looks like the conference got a total of about $39,150,000 (or about $3,915,000 per school).  The difference is about $495,000.  A half of a million dollars per school is pretty nice money.  That would be a nice chunk to add to our facility upgrade fund, or scholarship fund, or coaching salary fund, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/bowl-game-payouts-map-2011-2012-bcs_n_1174808.html

The lower payout for the second BCS team is exactly what I was talking about.  I suppose "SHITLOAD of money" is a relative term, but in the grand scheme of things, $500k in revenue is not that much to be butthurt about IMO.

[steve dave]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams. 

[Rams]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams. 

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand. 

[steve dave]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams. 

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand. 

list them

[Lemonrock]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams. 

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand. 

list them

Why was the font the same size throughout?
Why did you not utilize any different color options?
Most of all why were the italic, underline, bold and strikethrough adjustments completely ignored?
Where is this,             
or this?

[Rams]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams. 

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand. 

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

[steve dave]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

[Rams]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

What was our overall conference revenue this year? 

[steve dave]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

What was our overall conference revenue this year? 

whatever it could have been minus six million

[Rams]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

What was our overall conference revenue this year? 

whatever it could have been minus six million

Actually I just looked it up.  Looks like 2010 was about $139MM, so we can assumed 2011 was at least $150MM.  $500k per school is $5MM.  $5MM is just over 3% of the total revenue of the conference.  I wouldn't call 3% a SHITLOAD.

[steve dave]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

What was our overall conference revenue this year? 

whatever it could have been minus six million

Actually I just looked it up.  Looks like 2010 was about $139MM, so we can assumed 2011 was at least $150MM.  $500k per school is $5MM.  $5MM is just over 3% of the total revenue of the conference.  I wouldn't call 3% a SHITLOAD.

because you are a dumbass

[Rams]

yeah, $500k times 12 isn't crap.  good post Rams.  

There are so many things about this post that I don't understand.  

list them

1. 12 teams?

2. This whole discussion started by talking about how KSU ranks in terms of revenue, not the conference as a whole.  I'm just making as assumption, but $500K can't be that much in terms of our overall revenue this year, can it?

3. Can't tell if serious.  I mean, $6MM still isn't crap in terms of our overall conference revenue for last year, right?  I honestly have no idea.

ok, 10.  it's a lot of money you dumbass.  I mean, not compared to the GDP of the United States though.

What was our overall conference revenue this year? 

whatever it could have been minus six million

Actually I just looked it up.  Looks like 2010 was about $139MM, so we can assumed 2011 was at least $150MM.  $500k per school is $5MM.  $5MM is just over 3% of the total revenue of the conference.  I wouldn't call 3% a SHITLOAD.

because you are a dumbass

pffft

apology accepted

[ew2x4]

I'm more pissed about a potential easy win in Michigan, than the money.

[felix rex]

I'm more pissed about a potential easy win in Michigan, than the money.

Agreed. Not that it would be easy, but definitely a better, more high-profile matchup.

[powercat_62]

Under the new terms that are being negotiated, each of the ACC’s 14 schools can expect at least $14 million to $15 million a year, sources said, depending on how negotiations between the conference and ESPN conclude.

That would help the ACC close a fairly significant annual revenue gap with other major conferences. The Pac-12 and Big Ten each are distributing close to $21 million per school a year. The SEC’s deal provides $17 million per school, and the Big 12’s schools each average $15 million.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx

I find it interesting that the ACC is only going to pull even money wise with where the Big 12 is currently after add  Pitt and Syracuse.  Maybe the rumors of Clemson & FSU being unhappy with the ACC have more merit than most people originally assumed.  Once the Big 12 has its new tier 1 deal in place, the ACC will likely be a distant #5 in terms of TV revenue.

[bws]

Under the new terms that are being negotiated, each of the ACC’s 14 schools can expect at least $14 million to $15 million a year, sources said, depending on how negotiations between the conference and ESPN conclude.

That would help the ACC close a fairly significant annual revenue gap with other major conferences. The Pac-12 and Big Ten each are distributing close to $21 million per school a year. The SEC’s deal provides $17 million per school, and the Big 12’s schools each average $15 million.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx

I find it interesting that the ACC is only going to pull even money wise with where the Big 12 is currently after add  Pitt and Syracuse.  Maybe the rumors of Clemson & FSU being unhappy with the ACC have more merit than most people originally assumed.  Once the Big 12 has its new tier 1 deal in place, the ACC will likely be a distant #5 in terms of TV revenue.

It also goes to show how careful the Big 12 has to be in choosing #11 and #12.  If we're only going to add 1.5-2mil by adding 2 teams, its better to just say at 10 and split more money evenly when we renegotiate in 2015 (or sooner).

The only way we're going to get up around the 20 million per team area, is stay at 10, or add an FSU, Miami, Notre Dame, Clemson..etc. Another thing to consider is after they redo the BCS this year and make it a 4 team tourney of sorts, it may be more advantageous to be in a small 10 team conference than buried in some behemoth 14-16 team monster conference. You win the conference, you're probably in the top 4 with a shot at the title.

Here is the Big 10's latest proposal for a playoff...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-idea-a-college-football-playoff-with-home-games-20120206,0,4747499.story

[Panjandrum]

Under the new terms that are being negotiated, each of the ACC’s 14 schools can expect at least $14 million to $15 million a year, sources said, depending on how negotiations between the conference and ESPN conclude.

That would help the ACC close a fairly significant annual revenue gap with other major conferences. The Pac-12 and Big Ten each are distributing close to $21 million per school a year. The SEC’s deal provides $17 million per school, and the Big 12’s schools each average $15 million.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/06/Colleges/ACC-TV.aspx

I find it interesting that the ACC is only going to pull even money wise with where the Big 12 is currently after add  Pitt and Syracuse.  Maybe the rumors of Clemson & FSU being unhappy with the ACC have more merit than most people originally assumed.  Once the Big 12 has its new tier 1 deal in place, the ACC will likely be a distant #5 in terms of TV revenue.

This is absolutely why Florida State and Clemson have approached the Big 12.  They would have been stupid not to if $14-15 million is the best case scenario.

[Katpappy]

Looks like West Virgina is letting Clemson have it; right in the kisser!
West Virginia has a billboard on I-79 with score of the Orange Bowl


Via Dominion Post

What’s worse than getting destroyed by West Virginia 70-33 in the Orange Bowl? Having West Virginia put up a sign of the score 70-33 for recruiting purposes on highway I-79. It just so happens that the highways speed limit is 70 miles per hour so of course they incorporated that into the billboard. It’s important to drive safe.

The billboard can be seen entering West Virginia from the north side of the state. The Dominion Post had this to say.

“WVU spokeswoman Becky Lofstead said WVU advertises on billboards, one on I-79 and the other on I-68, to use as recruitment marketing. The Orange Bowl message is on both of those boards.

”The school spends about $14,000 a year on the billboards, Lofstead said. It is likely the new ones will be displayed for six months.

http://throwtheflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/WVU-billboard.png