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Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« on: January 06, 2015, 11:52:08 PM »
ITT, let's discuss the most recent additions to the BBHOF.

Randy Johnson? Absolutely.

Pedro Martinez? Ditto the absolutley.

John Smoltz.  Ditto the absolutely.

Craig Biggio? I'm OK with it.

Stigma of PEDs kept a few more out, especially Clemens, McGwire, Sammy, and Barry B. Should they be in or out?


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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 01:42:06 PM »
Was looking at the Big Unit's bbref page today  :sdeek:. He had 4 straight seasons after turning 35 years old 364, 347, 372 and 334 strikeouts, while keeping his ERA no higher than 2.64. I didn't understand how unreal he was at 10 years old. He's a monster.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 01:52:11 PM »
Was looking at the Big Unit's bbref page today  :sdeek:. He had 4 straight seasons after turning 35 years old 364, 347, 372 and 334 strikeouts, while keeping his ERA no higher than 2.64. I didn't understand how unreal he was at 10 years old. He's a monster.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 02:13:29 PM »
Yeah I worded that very poorly. Wow.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 03:47:49 PM »
Smoltz, Johnson, and Pedro were no brainers. I'm very meh about Biggio.

If Griffey gets left out next year I'll be very pissed.  :curse:

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 04:06:08 PM »
I need an explanation as to why people would vote for Clemens but not Bonds, there is no credible way :opcat:

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 04:09:10 PM »
Well, the radio said Bonds was kind of a prick to the media back in the day, so maybe they're not rushing to get their votes in for him.  :dunno:

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 04:18:39 PM »
Well, the radio said Bonds was kind of a prick to the media back in the day, so maybe they're not rushing to get their votes in for him.  :dunno:

LOL. If that was a criteria for not getting in the hall of fame Randy would have gotten negative votes. Also Clemens spent a great majority of his career being a total shithead to everyone. Really they had opposite career arcs as it came to how they treated the media. Bonds started okay and progressively got meaner. Roger started out as a monster penis to the media but loosened up as his career progressed, really after he became a Yankee.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 05:00:47 PM »
Barry Bonds should absolutely be in. He's the most feared hitter I've ever seen.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 05:56:25 PM »
Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are the faces of the steroid era. Hitting home runs is considered more of a steroid thing than pitching. It's not accurate, but it's the belief. I would vote all 4 in and I'm very anti-PEDs.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 06:09:03 PM »
A HoF without the all time hits leader or HR leader may as well shut its doors.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 06:22:13 PM »
A HoF without the all time hits leader or HR leader may as well shut its doors.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 06:23:08 PM »
Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are the faces of the steroid era. Hitting home runs is considered more of a steroid thing than pitching. It's not accurate, but it's the belief. I would vote all 4 in and I'm very anti-PEDs.
That's fine but that argument absolutely cannot be applied to Clemens or Pettite, we know as fact they juiced. Sosa is the only one of the five to not test positive nor to admit he has taken steroids, so I'm not sure why he's getting screwed. While I'm on my soap box, anyone voting for steroids guys but not Palmiero should be castrated.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 06:25:29 PM »
I would like to see most of those guys in. Except Clemens. eff that guy.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 06:28:38 PM »
Have any of you been to the baseball hof? I went the summer of '05 after the Sox won the world series in '04 and I thought it was complete crap. Even with the massive Red Sox display I thought it was boring. I was already in upstate New York and I thought it took forever to get to and was unnecessarily out of the way, I couldn't imagine traveling from somewhere outside of New York to go there.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2015, 07:12:12 PM »
I had no problem with any of the guys that got in.  I think Piazza is so far the guy getting screwed the hardest by the "steroid era" nonsense.  He should've got in. 
My hypothetical ballot-

Pedro, Johnson, Smoltz, Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Bagwell, Trammel, Raines, Schilling, Biggio, E Martinez, Mussina, Lee Smith.

Not sure Sosa or McGwire are HOF to me.  But they would be the next two on my ballot.  They both were very good power hitters but were not really ever the best hitters of their time.  In the context of their era neither presents an overwhelming case and they are both very one-dimensional candidates.  Sosa would be on my ballot before McGwire but I would like to hear a case put forward by someone for them.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 01:25:34 AM »
My hypothetical ballot-

Pedro, Johnson, Smoltz, Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Bagwell, Trammel, Raines, Schilling, Biggio, E Martinez, Mussina, Lee Smith.

 :eek: That's a lot of dudes.
Without looking at the metrics I feel like there can't be much difference between Bagwell, McGuire, and Sosa. A damn shame about Edgar and Lee Smith too. I don't understand how any relievers are in if Lee Smith isn't. Guess he shouldn't have pitched for the gross ass Cards.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 01:33:19 AM »
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.




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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 01:42:39 AM »
Look this fuckery from Chris Elsberry, CT Post
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Elsberry was the only voter I could find that simply did not consider Martinez a Hall of Famer, choosing instead to vouch for the candidacy of Mike Mussina.

From SportzEdge:

    "Well, everyone has talked about how Pedro has been the dominant pitcher over the last decade or so, and that’s probably true, but I voted for Mike Mussina, only in the sense that maybe I was looking for a little bit more consistency over dominance. You look at Mussina’s numbers, 270 wins, he had 17 straight seasons of 11 or more, and the last four years of his career, he won 59 games. Pedro, the last four years of his career, only won 22."
He could have saved some words by simply typing, I'm a Yankees fan, SOX SUX


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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 03:38:52 AM »
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.



Longevity. Pedro's prime was the best among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 08:26:59 AM »
Look this fuckery from Chris Elsberry, CT Post
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Elsberry was the only voter I could find that simply did not consider Martinez a Hall of Famer, choosing instead to vouch for the candidacy of Mike Mussina.

From SportzEdge:

    "Well, everyone has talked about how Pedro has been the dominant pitcher over the last decade or so, and that’s probably true, but I voted for Mike Mussina, only in the sense that maybe I was looking for a little bit more consistency over dominance. You look at Mussina’s numbers, 270 wins, he had 17 straight seasons of 11 or more, and the last four years of his career, he won 59 games. Pedro, the last four years of his career, only won 22."
He could have saved some words by simply typing, I'm a Yankees fan, SOX SUX

If your metric for whether a guy should go in the Hall is the ability to get 11 wins then you should have your vote taken from you. Good thing he went 11-15 in 2000 to keep that streak alive or his whole resume would have fallen apart. GMAFB.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 08:46:02 AM »
I saw that some voters said they didn't vote for Pedro because "while he's a hall of famer, he's not a first ballot hall of famer", which is the biggest crock of crap I've ever read.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2015, 08:48:40 AM »
I would be ok with there only being first ballot HoF'ers. Go back and take everyone out who didn't get in on the first try. Or now that we have more history to go off of we can reevaluate who should really be in there. Vote some people out.

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 08:56:02 AM »
I just think his logic is flawed. His decision should be "Does Pedro Martinez belong in the Hall of Fame Y/N", not "Does Pedro Martinez belong in the HoF as soon as he is eligible Y/N".

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Re: Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (assuming no predecessor to it)
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2015, 09:35:55 AM »
Wins are such a crock of crap metric.