Post by: bones129 on January 06, 2015, 11:52:08 PM
Randy Johnson? Absolutely.
Pedro Martinez? Ditto the absolutley.
John Smoltz. Ditto the absolutely.
Craig Biggio? I'm OK with it.
Stigma of PEDs kept a few more out, especially Clemens, McGwire, Sammy, and Barry B. Should they be in or out?
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 07, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2015, 01:52:11 PM
Was looking at the Big Unit's bbref page today :sdeek:. He had 4 straight seasons after turning 35 years old 364, 347, 372 and 334 strikeouts, while keeping his ERA no higher than 2.64. I didn't understand how unreal he was at 10 years old. He's a monster.Dude played with the 12 yearolds cuz it just wasn't fair.
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 07, 2015, 02:13:29 PM
Post by: TownieCat on January 07, 2015, 03:47:49 PM
If Griffey gets left out next year I'll be very pissed. :curse:
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2015, 04:09:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2015, 04:18:39 PM
Well, the radio said Bonds was kind of a prick to the media back in the day, so maybe they're not rushing to get their votes in for him. :dunno:
LOL. If that was a criteria for not getting in the hall of fame Randy would have gotten negative votes. Also Clemens spent a great majority of his career being a total shithead to everyone. Really they had opposite career arcs as it came to how they treated the media. Bonds started okay and progressively got meaner. Roger started out as a monster penis to the media but loosened up as his career progressed, really after he became a Yankee.
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 07, 2015, 05:00:47 PM
Post by: joda on January 07, 2015, 05:56:25 PM
Post by: TownieCat on January 07, 2015, 06:09:03 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 07, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
A HoF without the all time hits leader or HR leader may as well shut its doors.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are the faces of the steroid era. Hitting home runs is considered more of a steroid thing than pitching. It's not accurate, but it's the belief. I would vote all 4 in and I'm very anti-PEDs.That's fine but that argument absolutely cannot be applied to Clemens or Pettite, we know as fact they juiced. Sosa is the only one of the five to not test positive nor to admit he has taken steroids, so I'm not sure why he's getting screwed. While I'm on my soap box, anyone voting for steroids guys but not Palmiero should be castrated.
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 07, 2015, 06:25:29 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2015, 06:28:38 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
My hypothetical ballot-
Pedro, Johnson, Smoltz, Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Bagwell, Trammel, Raines, Schilling, Biggio, E Martinez, Mussina, Lee Smith.
Not sure Sosa or McGwire are HOF to me. But they would be the next two on my ballot. They both were very good power hitters but were not really ever the best hitters of their time. In the context of their era neither presents an overwhelming case and they are both very one-dimensional candidates. Sosa would be on my ballot before McGwire but I would like to hear a case put forward by someone for them.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2015, 01:25:34 AM
My hypothetical ballot-
Pedro, Johnson, Smoltz, Bonds, Piazza, Clemens, Bagwell, Trammel, Raines, Schilling, Biggio, E Martinez, Mussina, Lee Smith.
:eek: That's a lot of dudes.
Without looking at the metrics I feel like there can't be much difference between Bagwell, McGuire, and Sosa. A damn shame about Edgar and Lee Smith too. I don't understand how any relievers are in if Lee Smith isn't. Guess he shouldn't have pitched for the gross ass Cards.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2015, 01:33:19 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2015, 01:42:39 AM
Quote
Elsberry was the only voter I could find that simply did not consider Martinez a Hall of Famer, choosing instead to vouch for the candidacy of Mike Mussina.He could have saved some words by simply typing, I'm a Yankees fan, SOX SUX
From SportzEdge:
"Well, everyone has talked about how Pedro has been the dominant pitcher over the last decade or so, and that’s probably true, but I voted for Mike Mussina, only in the sense that maybe I was looking for a little bit more consistency over dominance. You look at Mussina’s numbers, 270 wins, he had 17 straight seasons of 11 or more, and the last four years of his career, he won 59 games. Pedro, the last four years of his career, only won 22."
Post by: nicname on January 08, 2015, 03:38:52 AM
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.
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Longevity. Pedro's prime was the best among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Look this fuckery from Chris Elsberry, CT PostQuoteElsberry was the only voter I could find that simply did not consider Martinez a Hall of Famer, choosing instead to vouch for the candidacy of Mike Mussina.He could have saved some words by simply typing, I'm a Yankees fan, SOX SUX
From SportzEdge:
"Well, everyone has talked about how Pedro has been the dominant pitcher over the last decade or so, and that’s probably true, but I voted for Mike Mussina, only in the sense that maybe I was looking for a little bit more consistency over dominance. You look at Mussina’s numbers, 270 wins, he had 17 straight seasons of 11 or more, and the last four years of his career, he won 59 games. Pedro, the last four years of his career, only won 22."
If your metric for whether a guy should go in the Hall is the ability to get 11 wins then you should have your vote taken from you. Good thing he went 11-15 in 2000 to keep that streak alive or his whole resume would have fallen apart. GMAFB.
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 08, 2015, 08:46:02 AM
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2015, 08:48:40 AM
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 08, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 08, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.
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Longevity. Pedro's prime was the penultimate among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
I don't understand what you're saying here, I think you're confused with what my beef is.
Post by: nicname on January 08, 2015, 05:31:23 PM
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.
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Longevity. Pedro's prime was the best among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
You're extremely butthurt at the percentage disparity between Johnson and Martinez. I think it's about longevity and the things that come with that, like 300 wins and more exciting totals in things like strikeouts.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2015, 07:54:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2015, 09:12:31 PM
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.
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Longevity. Pedro's prime was the best among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
You're extremely butthurt at the percentage disparity between Johnson and Martinez. I think it's about longevity and the things that come with that, like 300 wins and more exciting totals in things like strikeouts.
It's not a choice between Johnson and Martinez, you can vote for both. Johnson's longevity has nothing to do with 10% of the voters not voting for one of the greatest ever.
Post by: nicname on January 08, 2015, 11:35:44 PM
I haven't mentioned my extreme butthurt on the percentage disparity between Randy and Pedro but WHAT THE eff IS THAT ABOUT??? 9% of voters didn't vote for pedro, I simply don't understand. Tom Glavine got a higher percentage of votes.
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Longevity. Pedro's prime was the best among modern pitchers imo. Yes, better than Maddux, because of the DH.
You're extremely butthurt at the percentage disparity between Johnson and Martinez. I think it's about longevity and the things that come with that, like 300 wins and more exciting totals in things like strikeouts.
It's not a choice between Johnson and Martinez, you can vote for both. Johnson's longevity has nothing to do with 10% of the voters not voting for one of the greatest ever.
I never said it was a choice. I don't think I'm confused at your beef. But for simplicity's sake, please plainly state said beef be so I can hypothetically better understand it. Also, thank you for not calling out my misuse of penultimate. What a goof that was.
Post by: Cire on January 09, 2015, 06:13:48 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 09, 2015, 07:29:14 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
You guys know you can only vote for 10 per year right? That's why first ballot matters
A huge and hearty LOL at you if you think the first ballot people actually complete a full ballot. The people that full out a full ballot without Pedro and Randy aren't doing it because of the first ballot thing they are doing it because they know they will get in but they have to use their other votes to make up for baseball writers doing dumb crap like not voting for Edgar Martinez, and the "steroid guys." I don't vote players on my first ballot guy has no more than 3 people on it, probably Craig Biggio, Larry Walker, and Mike Mussina.
Post by: 8manpick on January 09, 2015, 06:15:43 PM
Post by: nicname on January 09, 2015, 07:41:55 PM
Not voting Pedro or Randy is asinine, but people absolutely do pick a marginally deserving player, with only a year or two left on the ballot, over a slightly more qualified player in his first year. In that sense, being a first ballot hall of famer is a pretty big deal.
Great point. This is something that I was going to bring up, but wasn't sure on the specifics. It's like "Well, duh Pedro is a Hall-of-Famer, but I really like Lee Smith and I don't know if he's going to make it. I think I'll go ahead an leave Pedro off this time around so I can help Lee get in."
Post by: MakeItRain on January 10, 2015, 10:59:46 AM
Not voting Pedro or Randy is asinine, but people absolutely do pick a marginally deserving player, with only a year or two left on the ballot, over a slightly more qualified player in his first year. In that sense, being a first ballot hall of famer is a pretty big deal.
Great point. This is something that I was going to bring up, but wasn't sure on the specifics. It's like "Well, duh Pedro is a Hall-of-Famer, but I really like Lee Smith and I don't know if he's going to make it. I think I'll go ahead an leave Pedro off this time around so I can help Lee get in."
There's been only voter that has said he did this; Mike Berardino, St. Paul Pioneer Press.
Post by: wazucat on January 10, 2015, 05:07:41 PM
Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are the faces of the steroid era. Hitting home runs is considered more of a steroid thing than pitching. It's not accurate, but it's the belief. I would vote all 4 in and I'm very anti-PEDs.
My idea is that Bonds and Clemons both had a HOF resume' before they started steroids so should be judged accordingly :dunno:
Post by: TownieCat on January 13, 2015, 10:12:07 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 13, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
Rose was a no brainer for the HoF as a player but is being banned for what he did as a manager. His omission from Cooperstown is much more of a crime than Bonds and Clemens being left out.
Rose absolutely belongs in the Hall especially since he was able to rack up thousands of hits using crooked, floppy bats like the one below. There was never any evidence found that he gambled as a player, only as a manager. Put him in there and if it helps to ease anyone's butthurt just put a sentence or two about the gambling stuff on his plaque.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on January 13, 2015, 01:47:05 PM
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Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on January 13, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2015, 07:22:50 PM
Rose was a no brainer for the HoF as a player but is being banned for what he did as a manager. His omission from Cooperstown is much more of a crime than Bonds and Clemens being left out.
He belongs in but I don't know how you can determine that gambling as a manager isn't as bad as allegedly juicing as a player.
Post by: nicname on January 14, 2015, 05:52:47 PM
Was there ever a picture taken of Pete Rose where he looked good? It's crazy. He would have really benefited from living in the pre-camera era of baseball.
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Austin Powers with baseball bats.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 14, 2015, 09:18:19 PM
Post by: slobber on January 15, 2015, 04:59:50 PM
time to compromise. put rose in, but don't let him have a hat on on his plaque. use this shot with his 3 stooges hair cut and say, "Pete Rose, can you believe he has the most hits ever? Neither can we."It's the Mr. Kim Tennal look. (If anybody knows him, they'll agree and laugh.)
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Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: slobber on January 15, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
(Mrs. Kim Tennal looks much better.)time to compromise. put rose in, but don't let him have a hat on on his plaque. use this shot with his 3 stooges hair cut and say, "Pete Rose, can you believe he has the most hits ever? Neither can we."It's the Mr. Kim Tennal look. (If anybody knows him, they'll agree and laugh.)
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Gonna win 'em all!
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: TownieCat on January 20, 2015, 08:23:07 AM
time to compromise. put rose in, but don't let him have a hat on on his plaque. use this shot with his 3 stooges hair cut and say, "Pete Rose, can you believe he has the most hits ever? Neither can we."It's the Mr. Kim Tennal look. (If anybody knows him, they'll agree and laugh.)
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Gonna win 'em all!
Just saw this and :thumbs: :thumbs:
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 28, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 07, 2016, 10:00:36 AM
Griffey was really the last true baseball cultural icon.
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 07, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 07, 2016, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 07, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
I wonder what the thought process was for the 3 voters who left Griffey off their ballot.
Ken Rosenthal speculated that it was a strategic move. He believes the voters who left him off knew that he would get in, so they used the vote they would have cast for him on someone else.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2016, 01:46:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2016, 02:52:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2016, 11:57:42 PM
I wonder what the thought process was for the 3 voters who left Griffey off their ballot.
Ken Rosenthal speculated that it was a strategic move. He believes the voters who left him off knew that he would get in, so they used the vote they would have cast for him on someone else.
No way in hell. The idiots that left him off are the same idiots who think no one should be unanimous. If you aren't putting Griffey on your ballot, you aren't voting for ten guys.
Some of the ballots are available, roughly 30%, it was left up to the voters and of course the two cowards didn't release their ballots.
http://bbwaa.com/16-hof-ballots/
The biggest WTFs are David Eckstein getting two votes and the thing I botch about every year, the voters who are voting for Clemens but not Bonds.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 07, 2016, 11:59:07 PM
I don't have any issues with keeping known steroid users out of the HOF, as long as the voters are consistent about it.
What do you consider a known steroid user?
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on January 08, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
2. Pedro is overrated.
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Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2016, 02:25:57 AM
Post by: Asteriskhead on January 08, 2016, 07:18:10 AM
I wonder what the thought process was for the 3 voters who left Griffey off their ballot.
Ken Rosenthal speculated that it was a strategic move. He believes the voters who left him off knew that he would get in, so they used the vote they would have cast for him on someone else.
No way in hell. The idiots that left him off are the same idiots who think no one should be unanimous. If you aren't putting Griffey on your ballot, you aren't voting for ten guys.
Some of the ballots are available, roughly 30%, it was left up to the voters and of course the two cowards didn't release their ballots.
http://bbwaa.com/16-hof-ballots/
The biggest WTFs are David Eckstein getting two votes and the thing I botch about every year, the voters who are voting for Clemens but not Bonds.
Without voters explaining their choices, there's no way to know. I was just passing along Ken's thoughts.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 08, 2016, 08:29:45 AM
I don't have any issues with keeping known steroid users out of the HOF, as long as the voters are consistent about it.
What do you consider a known steroid user?
People who have tested positive, admitted to use, or have overwhelming evidence against them.
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2016, 10:26:58 AM
1. Pete Rose not being in HoF for gambling is a joke.
2. Pedro is overrated.
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1. Obviously
2. You are a dumbass. Pedro's seven year run from 1997-2003 was nothing short of remarkable, especially considering the juiceheads he was facing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sum:pitching_standard (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sum:pitching_standard)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 08, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2016, 12:17:11 PM
I don't have any issues with keeping known steroid users out of the HOF, as long as the voters are consistent about it.
What do you consider a known steroid user?
People who have tested positive, admitted to use, or have overwhelming evidence against them.
Problematic
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
1. Pete Rose not being in HoF for gambling is a joke.
2. Pedro is overrated.
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1. Obviously
2. You are a dumbass. Pedro's seven year run from 1997-2003 was nothing short of remarkable, especially considering the juiceheads he was facing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sum:pitching_standard (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sum:pitching_standard)
1. What if I told you that several prominent hall of famers don't want him there? I heard an interview with Dennis Eckersley on Wednesday, he said he had lunch a couple of weeks ago with Johnny Bench and a few other HOFers and they absolutely do not want Pete in, Eck actually sounded angry about it. He said that players back then knew that it was something that you shouldn't have done, and "Pete knew better."
I'm okay with Pete being in, I actually remember him playing, but his contemporaries not wanting him in has a lot of sway with me.
2. :bait: townie, you know better :nono:
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
:confused:1. Pete Rose not being in HoF for gambling is a joke.
2. Pedro is overrated.
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1. Obviously
2. You are a dumbass. Pedro's seven year run from 1997-2003 was nothing short of remarkable, especially considering the juiceheads he was facing.
itching_standard]http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sumitching_standard (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#1997-2003-sum[emoji14)
1. What if I told you that several prominent hall of famers don't want him there? I heard an interview with Dennis Eckersley on Wednesday, he said he had lunch a couple of weeks ago with Johnny Bench and a few other HOFers and they absolutely do not want Pete in, Eck actually sounded angry about it. He said that players back then knew that it was something that you shouldn't have done, and "Pete knew better."
I'm okay with Pete being in, I actually remember him playing, but his contemporaries not wanting him in has a lot of sway with me.
2. :bait: townie, you know better :nono:
I love Pedro. He's one of the 5 best pitchers in the last 30 years.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2016, 12:55:40 PM
Post by: Trim on January 08, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 08, 2016, 01:03:13 PM
Post by: TownieCat on January 08, 2016, 01:03:38 PM
I was referring to you responding to erii's obvious trolling
Yeah, I should have let it slide.
Post by: wazucat on January 11, 2016, 08:44:57 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 31, 2016, 09:51:18 AM
Griffey was my fave. As a kid, I bought a wooden bat and colored it black with a sharpie and put a strip of white medical tape around the middle so I could be like Griffey. Sure, it left a black mark on the baseball with every hit, and with every hit I'd have to touch up the bat with more sharpie, but it was def worth it. The sweetest swing ever? Yes, definitely.
Griffey was the absolute greatest. His swing was pure sex and his HR Derby appearances were the stuff of legend. His video game was also one of my favorite growing up
Post by: Brock Landers on January 20, 2017, 01:57:26 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2017.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2017.shtml)
1 Jeff Bagwell 7th 381 86.2%
2 Tim Raines 10th 380 86.0%
3 Ivan Rodriguez 1st 336 76.0%
4 Trevor Hoffman 2nd 327 74.0%
5 Vladimir Guerrero 1st 317 71.7%
Hoffman and my boy Vladdy Daddy just missing out, I'm pretty sure they'll be in next year. Interestingly, Clemens and Bonds are sitting at 54.1% and 53.8% respectively and have come up a decent amount since 2015 when they were at 37.5% and 36.8%
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 20, 2017, 02:04:54 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 20, 2017, 02:12:50 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 20, 2017, 02:14:04 PM
Vlads my fave on that list of 5.. His outfield assists were amazeballs to watch. Plus he also knocked Lasorda on his ass with his stray bat
never have I seen a better bad ball hitter. he swung at EVERYTHING
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
Post by: Cire on January 20, 2017, 08:39:13 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on January 21, 2017, 12:38:04 PM
I'm going to mention this every year until I read an explanation why it's happening; voting for Clemens but not Bonds requires a real some pretty amazing reasoning. I can only think of one reason someone would do that, I have no choice but to think this until I hear something sensible.I think they should both be in, but it's clearly a combination of Bonds being a legendary bad person, especially to media, and having broken one of the most hallowed records while using a substance most associated with that statistic.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 21, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on December 11, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
So Harold Baines is going to the Hall. He was good and consistent for a long time but he's nowhere near a Hall of Fame caliber player. At least Lee Smith was a borderline case. I'm obviously biased as a Cubs fan but I thought he was worthy of going in. He definitely could have gone to the Jheri Curl Hall of Fame.
Post by: KST8FAN on August 03, 2019, 05:50:08 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on August 04, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
Want to go some day. Thanks for sharing Tom.
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It's insanely hard to get to, the payoff is crap.
Post by: mocat on August 05, 2019, 01:46:22 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 06, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
Why is it hard to get to? Just hard to fly to Albany + a bit of a drive?Want to go some day. Thanks for sharing Tom.
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It's insanely hard to get to, the payoff is crap.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 07, 2019, 09:25:09 PM
Want to go some day. Thanks for sharing Tom.
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It's insanely hard to get to, the payoff is crap.
fly to Albany
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My wife is from Ithaca and we went when we lived in Boston so it was as easy for us as it would be for anyone not living locally. Even staying upstate it was a four hour round trip, awful drive btw, western Kansas with curves, for about a 2-3 hour visit, could be longer depending on how many busts you want to read. There was no place to eat, no place to sleep. I enjoyed the visit enough, they had a cool Red Sox World Series display, but I likely won't go back. I also have zero affinity for baseball before the mid to late 80's, so that also may cloud how I viewed the experience.
The basketball hall of fame is by far the best, the football is by far the worst. It isn't as much of a pain in the ass as Cooperstown but holy hell it's dull. I haven't been to the hockey hall of fame yet but I've heard it's the best. Negro Leagues museum is really good, never been to the CBE. The old college football hof was crap, the new one is small but fun, completely interactive.
Post by: Brock Landers on January 26, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-2022-voting (https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-2022-voting)
Big Papi got in, Bonds and Clemens had nearly identical vote totals but came up short. Terrible. Maybe the Veterans Committee can get them in someday.
Post by: Cire on January 26, 2022, 12:43:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2022, 01:00:03 PM
They made their beds
How so? I don't recall Clemens and Bonds testing positive for a banned substance, maybe I "misremember" that happening.
Post by: Spracne on January 26, 2022, 01:23:51 PM
They made their beds
How so? I don't recall Clemens and Bonds testing positive for a banned substance, maybe I "misremember" that happening.
Yeah, but you JUST KNOW they and everyone else were doing it.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2022, 01:32:50 PM
BBWA are a bunch of sanctimonious nerds.
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2022, 02:07:36 PM
Post by: Cire on January 26, 2022, 03:49:59 PM
Outside of juicing their brains out.They made their beds
How so? I don't recall Clemens and Bonds testing positive for a banned substance, maybe I "misremember" that happening.
Being outrageous assholes
Both choices they made. FAFO
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2022, 04:29:21 PM
Outside of juicing their brains out.They made their beds
How so? I don't recall Clemens and Bonds testing positive for a banned substance, maybe I "misremember" that happening.
Being outrageous assholes
Both choices they made. FAFO
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There are lots of performance enhancing users and lots of assholes in the baseball hall of fame. Maybe the focus should be on the seeming selective sanctimony of the bbwaa
Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2022, 04:37:15 PM
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Post by: Cire on January 26, 2022, 04:47:03 PM
Like I said. Everyone has choices. So do votersOutside of juicing their brains out.They made their beds
How so? I don't recall Clemens and Bonds testing positive for a banned substance, maybe I "misremember" that happening.
Being outrageous assholes
Both choices they made. FAFO
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There are lots of performance enhancing users and lots of assholes in the baseball hall of fame. Maybe the focus should be on the seeming selective sanctimony of the bbwaa
Change the system? Great!
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 26, 2022, 05:08:19 PM
Remember when one guy didn’t vote for Nolan Ryan on his first ballot? lmao.
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A closer is the only unanimous selection :ROFL:
Post by: wetwillie on January 26, 2022, 05:58:06 PM