Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)

[Mr Bread]

I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

[Mr Bread]

rusty: did he have a history of gun violence, because I don't believe an idiot teenager would do that without some history of gun violence

[michigancat]

I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.

['taterblast]

just finished the final episode: i have no idea what happened.

[pissclams]

just finished the final episode: i have no idea what happened.

pm me for deets

[Panjandrum]

I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.

Yeah, the jurors are naive.

I don't know why Jay helped, nor do I know why they wanted to frame Adnan, but after all of that, there's nothing more than really strained circumstantial evidence to tie him to the murder. 

There is literally no hard evidence tying this kid to the crime.  Nothing.

None of the stories pinning him to the murder ever lined up, and they changed, significantly, from investigation to trial...and then again after the mistrial.

If this kid murdered the girl, he is as cold and smooth as Hannibal Lector.  And none of that fits any sort of profile he's ever exhibited.

[uncle clean jeans]

I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing.  I want to see if and how the momentum continues

Tip of the Iceberg IMO.    I would equate it to what blogging was 10 years ago.

good lord

[michigancat]

Man, episode 11 was a waste. That psychologist was nothing.

[Mr Bread]

I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.

Sounds like you've got it sorted.

[Mr Bread]

I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.

Yeah, the jurors are naive.

I don't know why Jay helped, nor do I know why they wanted to frame Adnan, but after all of that, there's nothing more than really strained circumstantial evidence to tie him to the murder.

There is literally no hard evidence tying this kid to the crime.  Nothing.

None of the stories pinning him to the murder ever lined up, and they changed, significantly, from investigation to trial...and then again after the mistrial.

If this kid murdered the girl, he is as cold and smooth as Hannibal Lector.  And none of that fits any sort of profile he's ever exhibited.

Well as long as he doesn't fit the profile ol' panj worked up then I'm sold.  This mystery person must really be something to have pulled all this off and yet remain completely unknown.  Probably will and has killed since.   

[michigancat]

I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.

Sounds like you've got it sorted.

merry Christmas bread

[pissclams]

query- why does "mr. bread" the gun nut, want to convict adan so badly?

guess the message that sends out is don't come to Illinois if a) foreign or b) your not packed with a better attorney

[michigancat]

I can't believe he got convicted. My God. I can see how it's possible that he did it, but holy crap there's a ton of doubt.

[ChiComCat]

Jay Interview

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/

[michigancat]

Jay Interview

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/

Interesting that he also says they just kind of smoked weed and only casually knew each other. I also don't understand the logistics of Hae's car moving all over the place w/o Jay's help. I just always thought Jay was helping him move them around.

[SkinnyBenny]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/20/exclusive-potential-alibi-witness-for-convicted-murderer-in-serial-breaks-silence-with-new-affidavit/

[pissclams]

well that's interesting.  i can still see the court ignoring it and never giving her voice a chance to be heard. 
honestly, i really think that mr.bread did it and pinned it all on adnan.

[mocat]

that website hurts my eyes

[Mr Bread]

Shocking that she didn't want crap to do with it when she originally wrote the affidavit and now that it's famous she's all in.  "It's not that I was a lazy disinterested piece of crap before, that lawyer guy convinced me not to do it."  #credibility

[ew2x4]

Just finished it. Meh.

About 5 episodes in I had my doubts. Could have easily just stopped there and been A-ok.

[mocat]

it was worth listening to just because the snl thing was awesome

[pissclams]

#shouldhavestoppedthen
#timesaver
#AOK

[michigancat]

snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)

[Spracne]

Hint: Adnan did it.

[pissclams]

Hint: Adnan did it.

this podcast was never about guilt or innocence (of adnan)