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Title: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 17, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
We didn't have one of these and half of the Podcasts thread has been Serial, so here's a thread for it.

I don't think Adnan did it.  I need to be convinced.

Disclaimer: Still need to listen to Episode 8.

 :don'tcare:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 09:33:07 AM
episode 8 will give some decent insight into a bit of the trial and the jurors

defense attorney's strategy seemed to backfire imo...
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 09:45:52 AM
these detectives got ran over by two bumbling potheads.  pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 09:52:09 AM
these detectives got ran over by two bumbling potheads.  pretty amazing.

it's like a reverse scooby doo or something, incredible
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 09:54:21 AM
I find it crazy that Best Buy didn't have lot cameras in 1997.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
I find it crazy that Best Buy didn't have lot cameras in 1997.

if it makes you feel better, it doesn't matter anyways since they would've been taped over a million times before anyone asked about it
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 10:01:40 AM
Another thing that is crazy:
-there is that one chick who Adnan and jay went to hang out with the evening of the murder, adnan got a call from the cops, he and jay immediately left and looked all worried.  Cops didn't talk to this chick or her boyfriend.

 - The one girl who was a neighbor of some guy that told her he saw a body in the back of a car and that some guy named adnan killed her.  She didn't know adnan at all.  Cops didn't talk to her or the guy, her neighbor at all.

 - Don, the BF.  Cops didn't talk to Don.

I feel like there are a few other seemingly important ppl that the cops never talked to that seem to have a strong position in this story.

WTF, Cops?  I mean, I know....cops.....but still.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 10:04:48 AM
the payphone at/outside of best buy that jay said he received the phone call from adnan which didn't exist was sketchy too
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 10:07:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/nUKSzqO.png)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 10:10:40 AM
why would he leave his phone with jay, i never understood that
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 10:11:10 AM
adnan says he really doesn't know jay that well, why would he give him his car and phone?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 17, 2014, 10:25:40 AM
adnan says he really doesn't know jay that well, why would he give him his car and phone?

Maybe Jay sells drugs, because sometimes irl drug dealers use their users cars and phones.  #hyperide

p.s. I haven't been listening to this. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
well, mr bread, you're in for a treat.  jay did in fact sell drugs
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 17, 2014, 10:29:32 AM
They have got to have an episode (and maybe it's this next one) where they discuss the defense attorney.

I mean she sounds awful. The cross examination of Jay was atrocious.

I don't buy the motive, I don't buy the timeline, and I think Adnan was an easy target because of profiling.  Once they got a whiff of testimony from Jay, it went down the path, evidence be damned, and they constructed a case based on a whole hell of a lot of conjecture.

Even when people are presented the facts, and then they say, "Do you think Adnan did it?", everyone always comes back and say, "Well, if he didn't do it, who did?"

And that's what makes this so bizarre.  It's not the evidence that really points to a killer, it's the lack of a killer that  lead them to "evidence".
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 10:32:46 AM
The absolute contrast between Adnan and Jay's timeline make me pretty sure it was one of those two who killed her.  Maybe both and Jay constructed his to hook Adnan as the guy and Jay the hesitant sidekick who could make a deal. :dunno:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
Here's a IRL spoiler alert for everyone:

When there is a murder, cops really, really, really, really want to get a clearance and they almost always suspect a significant other or family member.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 17, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
- Don, the BF.  Cops didn't talk to Don.

They definitely talked to Don.  They just said he was ruled out quickly because of his work alibi.

- The one girl who was a neighbor of some guy that told her he saw a body in the back of a car and that some guy named adnan killed her.  She didn't know adnan at all.  Cops didn't talk to her or the guy, her neighbor at all.


IIRC, they talked to the neighbor.  I thought he said to the podcast people that he told the cops he never saw a body, which is the same thing he told them.

Adnan and Jay not being "that close" maybe true to Adnan, but I think most people would consider them close.  Adnan probably saw him as a dealer and not a real "friend" but his track buddy said Jay would pick him up all the time and that wouldn't be noticed as unusual.  They were probably closer than Adnan would admit.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 10:48:31 AM
IIRC, Stephanie(adnan's friend and Jays GF) said that they weren't close near the beginning of the series. 



Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 17, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
I think it's weird that Stephanie is so shut off about it all.  She's a critical piece of this, IMO.  She's Jay's reason for compliance (Adnan apparently threatened Jay that he'd hurt her), and she was apparently the only person with Jay at his sentencing.  According to everyone, she was his world, and she just fell off of a cliff and out of this story (from what we know so far).  She was most likely (if not) the link between Jay and Adnan.

Everyone says she won't talk about it.  She lost friendships over it.  She won't so much as talk to the reporter.

Apparently, getting a gift for Stephanie is what got Jay and Adnan together at the mall in the first place.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 17, 2014, 10:50:14 AM
I'm not convinced Adnan did it, but I am convinced based on what I've seen of the evidence he shouldn't have been convicted.

It is a very wierd deal.   And I'm not sure why cops thing Hae was killed in that short window, other than Jay's questionable testimony.  I mean, there's no physical evidence saying she was killed then, or even that day.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
Also, that chick who saw Adnan in the library during the time when he supposedly killed Hae.  She wrote Adnan a letter stating she saw him.  Adnan gave it to his defense attorney yet it was never discussed in any way during the trial and the chick said that she hadn't been interviewed by the cops either.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 10:52:34 AM
I'm not convinced Adnan did it, but I am convinced based on what I've seen of the evidence he shouldn't have been convicted.

It is a very wierd deal.   And I'm not sure why cops thing Hae was killed in that short window, other than Jay's questionable testimony.  I mean, there's no physical evidence saying she was killed then, or even that day.

IIRC, epi 6 or 7 said that the only thing creating that time window was Adnan's phone records and an assumption that a certain call was to Hae and another was to Jay for him to pick Adnan up.  The window itself could be fabricated by Jay's testimony regarding a call and the assumption that the previous call was to Hae, even though the epi said that there was no phone record to prove it.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
to me, the inconsistency indicates that one of them is lying
people who didn't murder their ex-gf don't lie when staring down a life sentence
jay didn't have a reason to kill Hae, nor much of a connection to her

i don't know, the evidence presented makes very little sense.  i would think they would need more concrete evidence before putting him behind bars for the rest of his life + 30 yrs.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 10:57:24 AM
http://mentalfloss.com/article/60016/10-crazy-and-some-not-so-crazy-serial-theories

^some other ideas
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 17, 2014, 11:16:03 AM
IIRC, Stephanie(adnan's friend and Jays GF) said that they weren't close near the beginning of the series. 

True but that Will track guy said Jay picked him up all the time.  As with any part of this, there is one person that says one thing and another that contradicts it.  Given everything else we know, I don't think Stephanie's take is accurate.  In my mind, Jay was one of those guys that you smoked with in High School but never really hung out with outside of that.  You didn't want to admit you were good friends because he was a drug dealing stoner and you were just someone who casually smoked.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Prisoner's dilemma is the simplest explanation (obviously this was not drawn up for a murder):

(http://www.nationalaffairs.com/imgLib/20121219_HubbardKane_Table1LARGE.jpg)

If they both confess and betray, they both probably serve life sentences so that is out. 

Jay is already linked to it by Adnan, his own statements and once he is in, it makes sense for him to pin as much of it on Adnan as possible, minimize his role as much as possible, and provide mitigating circumstances (the threat to himself and Stephanie) to help explain why he helped hide the body.  Because Jay has something to offer the prosecution and is able to spin a plausible theory for the prosecution it makes more sense for the prosecution to hang on to him as a witness and get him for the minor role than it does to try and construct an entirely new theory and attempt to charge them as full co-conspirators.

As soon as Jay "confesses & betrays" it is too late for Adnan and so he maintained his stance that he is innocent as re-canting and attempting to sling the mud against Jay is a high risk/low reward, whereas shutting up is high risk/high reward.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 17, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
I agree with you KK, but I just can't see an 18 year old Adnan not trying to take Jay down with him.  He would have to be pretty calm to say "This likely won't benefit me, so I'm better off playing dumb and letting Jay basically get off free."  Though to be fair, he may have thought there wasn't near enough to convict to him anyway and once he was convicted, there was no reason to change his story.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 17, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Adnan has a 20 or 30 yr sentence as it is.  Trying to take Jay down with him does nothing to minimize that after his initial conviction.  Changing his story now only guarantees that he never wins an appeal.  Maintaining his story keeps his chance of getting out early or getting overturned. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 17, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
a little better explanation of events (from the defense standpoint)

https://pdf.yt/d/PUUcby-AZWfEhcuW
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 17, 2014, 12:00:47 PM
I'm still hung up on how the flasher guy found the body.  Sounds like the chances of someone just stumbling upon that body while looking for a place to discreetly take a pee are about as likely as someone just happening to start listening to dark side of the moon right as the MGM lion is roaring in the opening credits of the wizard of oz.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
I agree with you KK, but I just can't see an 18 year old Adnan not trying to take Jay down with him.  He would have to be pretty calm to say "This likely won't benefit me, so I'm better off playing dumb and letting Jay basically get off free."  Though to be fair, he may have thought there wasn't near enough to convict to him anyway and once he was convicted, there was no reason to change his story.
I agree, but it is helpful to remember the order of events and the motivations of each party:

1) Adnan gives the rough outlines of his alibi to police the day of the disappearance
2) Jay is questioned later, giving him opportunity and motive to confess & betray

Jay: Once he pins Adnan, he implicates himself, but he sets and controls the narrative. This is the prisoner's dilemma.  It is all about risk and reward.  Jay had to assume that Adnan was going to set him up for this, and he pretty much uses this reasoning in the police interviews.  It provides a nice bow on his own motivations as escaping being the patsy for Hae's murder.  With the details Jay provides the prosecution fixes its eyes on Adnan using the motive of a lover's quarrel.  Jay plays his strong hand and wins. 

Adnan: Either he was innocent and gave a completely truthful denial he was involved, or he denied he was involved to prompt increased scrutiny of Jay. Remember, he doesn't know Jay was going to blame him for everything when he gives his first statements to the cops.  He would have to re-cant at that point and admit involvement.  The benefit of doing that just seems so obviously skewed against him.  It is really hard to tell the level of each party's involvement, but it seems like Adnan was involved enough to realize that admitting to his involvement means that he is going to jail for life with only the possibility of parole. He had a weak hand to play, but raising the stakes of admitting he lied and attempting to implicate Jay seems like a sure loser.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 17, 2014, 12:36:36 PM
Adnan has a 20 or 30 yr sentence as it is.  Trying to take Jay down with him does nothing to minimize that after his initial conviction.  Changing his story now only guarantees that he never wins an appeal.  Maintaining his story keeps his chance of getting out early or getting overturned. 
he was sentenced to life + 30, he's not getting out.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 17, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
http://mentalfloss.com/article/60016/10-crazy-and-some-not-so-crazy-serial-theories

^some other ideas

This is what I want to know about Stephanie, and what a weird coincidence for #9.

Quote
8. STEPHANIE AND JENN KILLED HAE

Here’s where things get a little crazy. If you dive deep into the Serial subreddit (again, not recommended), you get some pretty out-there—but then, maybe not so far out-there?—theories. One that crops up again and again is the idea that Stephanie, Jay’s girlfriend and Adnan’s close friend, was involved with Hae’s murder. Despite being close with both Jay and Adnan, no calls were placed to Stephanie on January 13. This is especially strange because January 13 was Stephanie’s birthday, and the whole reason Jay needed to borrow Adnan’s car was to buy Stephanie a birthday present.

To add more fuel to this theory, Adnan did speak to Stephanie twice on the night of January 12. Could it be he told her something about Hae that angered her? Made her angry enough to kill Hae? If Stephanie was Hae’s murderer, it would make perfect sense for her to turn to Jay—her boyfriend—to help her cover it up.

9. SOME DUDE NAMED ROY DAVIS KILLED HAE

Leave it to reddit to hone in on a specific, seemingly unrelated suspect. But maybe the craziest part about this theory is that it might not be so crazy at all. In 2004, DNA evidence helped to convict a 50-year-old man named Roy Sharonnie Davis III of raping and strangling 18-year-old Woodlawn resident Jada Lambert. Lambert’s murder happened in May 1998—just nine months before Hae went missing. Even creepier, Davis lived just six miles away from Woodlawn High School and even closer to Campfield Early Learn Center, the school where Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin. The redditor points out that Davis was also charged in 1996 with possession of marijuana. Could he possibly have purchased said marijuana from … Jay?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 17, 2014, 01:11:57 PM
I agree that then and especially now, he has no logical reason to change his story.  At the time he was an 18 year old boy who would likely be very angry at Jay for ratting him out.  I think it would take a lot of self control to keep from trying to take him down with you.  Its a very logical and calculated decision to keep your mouth shut that would be tough to make.  Maybe he doesn't think they have enough to convict him, so he keeps his mouth shut in an effort to get off.  At the point where he is convicted, changing the story only makes sure he never gets an appeal.

I agree that Adnan recanting wouldn't have looked good, but Jay's story constantly changing doesn't look good either (although how much scrutiny this was given in court originally is unclear). 

I guess while I think Adnan did it, I struggle with how cold and calculating he would have to be at a young age to keep his mouth shut the whole time.  IMO, he would have to be sociopathic to murder his ex-GF that he "loved", not get so angry at Jay he tries to take him down too, and continue to lie about it for 15 years/show no remorse.  Granted we are starting from a place where he murdered a girl he "cared" about so its probably not that big of a leap.

Title: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 17, 2014, 01:29:10 PM
Jay would have gotten a deal for rolling on Adnan so he couldn't really bring him down too. The cops knew Jay was lying about some things but that was small potatoes.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 17, 2014, 01:30:13 PM
Wait, didn't jay serve some time anyway?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
Wait, didn't jay serve some time anyway?

think he got two years probation but didn't serve any time
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
Quote
The judge sentences Jay to two years probation, no jail time. His lawyer mouths the words ‘thank you’ to the judge. Jay leaves the courtroom with the only person who came with him that day, Stephanie.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 17, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
Wait, didn't jay serve some time anyway?

2 years probation.  I saw a theory on the link earlier that says that he was a CI for drugs earlier, which would help explain why the cops scoffed at his talking a big game about being the "criminal element in Woodlawn" and "having a rap sheet."
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 17, 2014, 01:42:04 PM
I've probably missed it, but why did the first trial go awry?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 17, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
I've probably missed it, but why did the first trial go awry?

they've only mentioned the mistrial in passing but never explained it, iirc...

careful googling (hand over eyes, peeking through fingers) makes it sound like the first judge mumbled something about adnan's lawyer being a liar, a juror heard it, and then passed a note like "since you've determined she's a liar, do we have to start over?"
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 17, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
I've probably missed it, but why did the first trial go awry?

they've only mentioned the mistrial in passing but never explained it, iirc...

careful googling (hand over eyes, peeking through fingers) makes it sound like the first judge mumbled something about adnan's lawyer being a liar, a juror heard it, and then passed a note like "since you've determined she's a liar, do we have to start over?"

seems reasonable...
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: 8manpick on November 20, 2014, 10:10:49 AM
No more until Dec 4 :curse:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 20, 2014, 10:26:04 AM
No more until Dec 4 :curse:

also, SOA.     :bang:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 20, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Sounds like they are getting tips from people.  I'm sure even the best intentioned are terribly unreliable but it makes for the possibility of the truth coming out
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 20, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
donate (http://serialpodcast.org/donate)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 20, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
No more until Dec 4 :curse:

this is some bullshit
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 20, 2014, 01:48:39 PM
Yeah, everyone donate.  I will kill someone and blame it on an unsuspecting person, make up a shaky story about how he did it, and make a deal for my own personal freedom so that I can find some other podcast to listen to if there isn't a second season.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 20, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
maybe they can do a serial on Marcus Raines, or even on what exactly Venables did.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on November 20, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
Yeah, everyone donate.  I will kill someone and blame it on an unsuspecting person, make up a shaky story about how he did it, and make a deal for my own personal freedom so that I can find some other podcast to listen to if there isn't a second season.

I'll post from your account while you kill someone to provide inconsistencies
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 01:07:26 AM
I still don't believe Adnan did it.

 :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
The latest epi sure helps to reinforce that.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
There is a difference between believing the state's theory is wrong and if you were on the jury you would've found him not guilty and believing that Adnan is innocent/not guilty.

I am probably in the first camp, probably not yet in the second camp.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 09:30:48 AM
I am def in camp #1.  With the "facts" of the case, so far, I don't know if I could ever be fully in camp #2 unless something immense is reported in an upcoming episode.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 21, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
the most impressive part is that the jury only took like 3 hours to reach a verdict, including lunch...
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 09:42:07 AM
the most impressive part is that the jury only took like 3 hours to reach a verdict, including lunch...

yup.  there was a mountain of stuff to go through and they convicted him for life, in a 2 hour span.

i'm much happier having him walk based upon what's been presented, regardless of his innocence or guilt
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
There is a difference between believing the state's theory is wrong and if you were on the jury you would've found him not guilty and believing that Adnan is innocent/not guilty.

I am probably in the first camp, probably not yet in the second camp.

Maybe I said it in this thread already, but I can't buy the motive.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
the motive is really terrible

adnan was an honor student, an athlete, good with his family, well liked.  his profile doesn't lend itself to a jealousy killing of an ex-gf, he had moved on and seems likable enough to find whatever poontang he wanted
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 10:15:22 AM
Also, he and Hae broke up months before this happened.  Hae was with Don for a long time before this happened.  The Ex Bf thing doesn't make sense at all.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
Do you all have all the info now the jury had or is this person selectively feeding you info?  If you're being manipulated seems really rough ridin' dumb to judge the jurors. 

Also privileged and/or successful people do really mumped up crap occassionally like murder or rape or molest.  There has to be a first time. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2014, 12:20:03 PM
Do you all have all the info now the jury had or is this person selectively feeding you info? If you're being manipulated seems really rough ridin' dumb to judge the jurors. 

Also privileged and/or successful people do really mumped up crap occassionally like murder or rape or molest.  There has to be a first time.

Well none of us were jurors so, yeah some things have been left out considering there were two trials.  That said, she interviewed a juror and that person sounded like an idiot, just like most people are idiots.  She said one of the major factors was that the jury was shocked that Adnan didn't testify, didn't get up there and defend himself to prove that what the prosecution was saying was wrong.  So everyone that is a member of society and knows anything about the criminal justice system would not be surprised at all about most of the details of the case. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 01:25:56 PM
From reading this thread it just seems like this broad is leading people around by the nose.  I'm very comfortable agreeing that several members if not the entirety of the jury were imbeciles. That's just how it is.  Doesn't mean they got it wrong though. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 01:49:56 PM
this thread isn't about whether or not the jurors got it wrong
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2014, 01:50:59 PM
From reading this thread it just seems like this broad is leading people around by the nose.  I'm very comfortable agreeing that several members if not the entirety of the jury were imbeciles. That's just how it is.  Doesn't mean they got it wrong though.

We are listening to a podcast, of course we are evaluating the facts through the filter of the narrator.  Just like the jurors didn't gumshoe the case and argue it to themselves.  Good grief.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2014, 01:53:24 PM
Hold on guys, I think Mr. Bread is a real live attorney at law.  Let's see if he files an motions for us to cease and desist listening to this stupid podcast.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 02:18:35 PM
ya love this johnny come lately coming into our thread and flexing his jd deltoids
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
Sounds like some feelings have been hurt by questioning the accuracy of conclusions drawn from limited information. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:21:08 PM
Just think of me as a mirror of truth.  Sometimes when you hold me up to your own faces you don't like what you see. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
From reading this thread it just seems like this broad is leading people around by the nose.  I'm very comfortable agreeing that several members if not the entirety of the jury were imbeciles. That's just how it is.  Doesn't mean they got it wrong though.

We are listening to a podcast, of course we are evaluating the facts through the filter of the narrator.  Just like the jurors didn't gumshoe the case and argue it to themselves.  Good grief.

Good grief, you.  I'm just saying that perhaps that if you knew what they knew and had had it presented to you as they had you might entirely agree with them.  #littleglasshousesforyouandme
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:24:16 PM
I hate to see kk and clams get used is all.  #don'tdonate
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 21, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
A weird thing is that I believe as a rule, you aren't supposed to take into account that he didn't testify, but that juror made it sound like they convicted him because he didn't take the stand to defend himself.

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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 02:29:22 PM
The donation isn't to fight this guy's appeal.  It is to be entertained by a second season of an awesome podcast, which will have nothing to do with this case.

Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:38:44 PM
A weird thing is that I believe as a rule, you aren't supposed to take into account that he didn't testify, but that juror made it sound like they convicted him because he didn't take the stand to defend himself.

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They unequivocally are not supposed to consider it, but as a general rule many absolutely do.  They're human beings for eff's sake.  Even if only unconsciously they are judging the crap out of that guy for not telling them his side of it. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
The donation isn't to fight this guy's appeal.  It is to be entertained by a second season of an awesome podcast, which will have nothing to do with this case.

I know.  You should give her a bunch of your money. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 21, 2014, 02:40:04 PM
Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.

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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.

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Not that weird of a thing for an idiot to say.  You can tell them all day long what the law is and then they just do what they want anyway. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
Sounds like some feelings have been hurt by questioning the accuracy of conclusions drawn from limited information. 

we have more information than the jury did son
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
I'm sitting third chair on this one, clams.  The jurors heard the case, you all hear the podcast and I'm going to read this here thread.  Judgments will be flying and if we're lucky maybe a few hard truths will be revealed to those who know what to look for.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on November 21, 2014, 03:09:17 PM
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 21, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.

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Not that weird of a thing for an idiot to say.  You can tell them all day long what the law is and then they just do what they want anyway.

yeah, a juror in my brother's civil malpractice case said they found for the doctor because "there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt".     cue L&O theme.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

Being on a jury does something to your average everday idiot that makes them worse by at least a factor of ten than they would ordinarily be.  They feel empowered and important and therefore automatically smarter and better, which causes them to be less observant and more obstinate and obtuse.  It's a really terrifying phenomenon. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 03:38:12 PM

I'm sitting third chair on this one, clams.  The jurors heard the case, you all hear the podcast and I'm going to read this here thread.  Judgments will be flying and if we're lucky maybe a few hard truths will be revealed to those who know what to look for.

all indications are that bread was part of adnan's defense team

duly noted

your honor, I object

OVERRULED

#facial
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

Being on a jury does something to your average everday idiot that makes them worse by at least a factor of ten than they would ordinarily be.  They feel empowered and important and therefore automatically smarter and better, which causes them to be less observant and more obstinate and obtuse.  It's a really terrifying phenomenon.

The fact that this jury deliberated for three hours on a first degree murder charge tells me everything I needed to know about the intelligence of this jury.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on November 26, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
i was on a jury for a murder trial. we found the person guilty over lunch. less than 2 hours. the defendant did not testify. he also had motive and a terrible allibi and there was physical evidence against him, and he had a tired looking public defendant who did not do a good job, but still.

-the idea (of lawyers) that your defendant is going to get ripped apart by the prosecutor, so he/she better not testify, is mind-blowingly off base. it goes from high risk/high reward (testify) to high risk/no reward (not testify). i do not give a eff what you lawyer-y types say to the contrary. the fact that your average juror is a moron only reinforces the fact that you should understand that said moron juror is going to not like it when the defendant does not defend him/herself.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on November 26, 2014, 02:20:44 PM
it sounds like Adnan's lawyer was terrible. her incessant "was it not?" line of questioning made me cringe. also she did not utilize the cell phone thing very well, or the fact that there was a god damned eye witness who saw adnan in the library.
there is definitely something missing in jay's narrative. hard to find adnan guilty based on the evidence, and "who the eff else could have done it?" is not reason enough to put adnan away for life. that being said he probably did it.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 03, 2014, 08:18:48 AM
(http://images.zaazu.com/img/Sherlock-Holmes-Sherlock-Holmes-detective-crime-smiley-emoticon-001232-huge.png)SKINNYBENNY CHECKING IN, FELLOW GUMSHOES!!!!!!  (http://images.zaazu.com/img/Sherlock-Holmes-Sherlock-Holmes-detective-crime-smiley-emoticon-001232-huge.png)


Binge listened to all 9 episodes over Thanksgiving. Not really sure what exactly happened, but Jay is definitely involved. Did he act alone? Did he act with Adnan? Did he act with someone else? These are the burning questions of our time. BUT. Definitely sure Jay is involved, because he seems like an absolute garbage human being who changes his story constantly. I mean.....not remembering the location of where Adnan supposedly first opened his trunk? GMAFB. And I don't buy that Hae died in the Best Buy parking lot for a second.

And yes, Christina Gutierrez was a POS lawyer and her "WAS IT NOT???" line of questioning drove me absolutely insane. It sounds like the detectives are bumbling morons, as well. Adnan should probably not be in jail, even if he did have a role; in no way was there enough evidence presented to convict him and sentence him to life.  "Mountains of reasonable doubt," says some 2L intern. I concur.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 03, 2014, 08:23:47 AM
consider that the 2L intern works for "the innocence project"
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 03, 2014, 08:45:35 AM
consider that the 2L intern works for "the innocence project"

Right.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: 8manpick on December 03, 2014, 09:54:57 AM
Is this show ever coming back? my god...
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 03, 2014, 11:54:28 AM
good article
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/30/serial-podcast-appeals-court-adnan-syed
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 04, 2014, 09:37:55 AM
woohoo!  53 minutes!
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on December 04, 2014, 10:05:14 AM
If you didn't like hearing his lawyer before, settle in for a long Episode 10.

If I'm a juror, and I have to listen to her voice, cadence, and line of questioning, I'm looking for the nearest pen to jam into my ears.

Woof.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 04, 2014, 10:16:49 AM
yeah, listening to trial lawyers can be reall annoying.  That cadence they have where they sputter about asking questions while pausing or slowing to form new questions in their head can get old.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 04, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
huh, so the Serial host wrote about his attorney back in 2001

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on December 04, 2014, 10:41:51 AM
huh, so the Serial host wrote about his attorney back in 2001

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 04, 2014, 04:45:04 PM
Quote
"[Adnan Syed] participated in a National competition in which he built a solar vehicle that won 6th place in Topeka, KS last spring." (1996?)

WOAH!
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 04, 2014, 10:31:21 PM
i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L


incredible referential post  (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28264.msg1254923#msg1254923)there by tobias. folks, that's how you win yourself a csourk'y.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on December 11, 2014, 09:28:48 AM
Next week is the final episode.

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 11, 2014, 11:08:47 AM
Next week is the final episode.

 :horrorsurprise:

this week was pretty boring
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 11, 2014, 12:20:13 PM
sarah was on colbert yesterday
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 11, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
Hard hitting stuff, 'clams.

I like how you let the facts speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 18, 2014, 10:10:26 AM
welp.   Nothing groundbreaking but it will be interesting to see the results.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 18, 2014, 04:51:26 PM
Adnan and Jay did it, imo. Still seems most likely.  Agree that there is basically no way that a jury should have agreed to that though.   :driving:

I wonder if season 2 will be as good.  I mean Sara basically started off by saying that this story fell into her lap by the force of Adnan's sis.  She didn't find it herself.  I guess others may start sending her interesting stuff to look at given how popular this one became.   :dunno:

Given that she spend right at a year to put season 1 together, and that they were soliciting funds as late as a couple weeks ago, I have a feeling we have a Soprano'ish break ahead of us before S2. 

Really enjoyed this Season.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on December 18, 2014, 05:05:31 PM
I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.


Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 18, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
The whole Innocence Project appeal they discussed was interesting at the end. 

One reason I think Adnan did it is that I originally thought that the time btwn the break up and the time of her death was a decent amt of time.  Didn't realize until this epi that it was 13 days.  I think he didn't take it serious until he met Don when looking at Hae's car.  Seeing Don and probably seeing Hae interact with Don, probably made it hit home pretty hard and made him mad because them not getting back together wasn't something he could deny any longer.

Also, Jay isn't intelligent enough to tell the same lie twice.  He varied every time he told it.  No way do I think that he is part of some greater conspiracy.  I think he helped more than he is saying and that he was scared of Adnan.

I do think it is interesting that Adnan formally requested that the Innocence Project file that appeal re: DNA, though.  This certainly doesn't fit with the above thoughts of mine. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on December 21, 2014, 11:06:13 AM
the snl skit last night was pretty damn awesome

http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI (http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2014, 11:19:32 AM
I just started listening.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 21, 2014, 11:41:31 AM
ok
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 21, 2014, 06:50:23 PM
Thought it was a pretty good last epi since I knew it wouldn't really be resolved. I hope Adnan gets out. Even if he did do it, there's no way that d00d should be in jail because the state's case was completely incompetent.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on December 22, 2014, 09:28:06 AM
I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.

Yeah, the jurors are naive.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2014, 10:40:53 AM
god, some of the serial recaps are insufferable. "oh, I already knew the american justice system was mumped up". eff off.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on December 22, 2014, 10:45:54 AM
i've been waiting for this :emawkid:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kso_FAN on December 23, 2014, 04:45:58 PM
I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 23, 2014, 05:04:29 PM

I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.


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I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing.  I want to see if and how the momentum continues
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on December 23, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
the snl skit last night was pretty damn awesome

http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI (http://youtu.be/l9XpS6mIZfI)

man that was great
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2014, 05:17:06 PM

I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.


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I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing.  I want to see if and how the momentum continues

I don't think it's anything like a "podcast". It's just a great way to tell a story.

I think Koennig should have read this book (as should everyone should was interested in the show): http://www.amazon.com/The-Invisible-Gorilla-Intuitions-Deceive/dp/0307459667
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 23, 2014, 05:22:05 PM
it's certainly a podcast- its defining what a podcast is (that's the American Life model).

the marketing dollars for next season will be fought after, I like seeing the market evolve

Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2014, 07:06:05 PM

I installed flooring in my basement the last couple of days and listened to all the episodes. Very entertaining show. I go back and forth on whether he did it or not or at least was part of it. The SNL but was hilarious.


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I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing.  I want to see if and how the momentum continues

Tip of the Iceberg IMO.    I would equate it to what blogging was 10 years ago. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 23, 2014, 07:15:10 PM
it's certainly a podcast- its defining what a podcast is (that's the American Life model).

the marketing dollars for next season will be fought after, I like seeing the market evolve
Also, others will try to replicate it, hopefully spinning off other quality podcasts of this format.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 23, 2014, 07:32:56 PM
god, some of the serial recaps are insufferable. "oh, I already knew the american justice system was mumped up". eff off.

ok
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 23, 2014, 08:56:34 PM
Nope.
Title: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kso_FAN on December 23, 2014, 10:09:18 PM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Keep listening.

And guys, the SNL thing was so good. They nailed all the main characters. Chris on the phone was fantastic.


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2014, 10:29:19 PM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Keep listening.

And guys, the SNL thing was so good. They nailed all the main characters. Chris on the phone was fantastic.


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The mail chimp bit at the end had me absolutely dying. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kso_FAN on December 24, 2014, 12:06:07 AM
http://www.npr.org/2014/12/23/372577482/serial-host-sarah-koenig-says-she-set-out-to-report-not-exonerate


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on December 24, 2014, 06:09:26 AM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on December 24, 2014, 06:17:38 AM
rusty: did he have a history of gun violence, because I don't believe an idiot teenager would do that without some history of gun violence
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2014, 09:14:54 AM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?
I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: 'taterblast on December 24, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
just finished the final episode: i have no idea what happened.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 24, 2014, 12:47:09 PM

just finished the final episode: i have no idea what happened.
pm me for deets
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Panjandrum on December 24, 2014, 01:03:28 PM
I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.

Yeah, the jurors are naive.

I don't know why Jay helped, nor do I know why they wanted to frame Adnan, but after all of that, there's nothing more than really strained circumstantial evidence to tie him to the murder. 

There is literally no hard evidence tying this kid to the crime.  Nothing.

None of the stories pinning him to the murder ever lined up, and they changed, significantly, from investigation to trial...and then again after the mistrial.

If this kid murdered the girl, he is as cold and smooth as Hannibal Lector.  And none of that fits any sort of profile he's ever exhibited.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: uncle clean jeans on December 24, 2014, 01:38:17 PM
I think what is really interesting is how "podcasts" have now become a mainstream thing.  I want to see if and how the momentum continues

Tip of the Iceberg IMO.    I would equate it to what blogging was 10 years ago.
good lord
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2014, 06:08:05 PM
Man, episode 11 was a waste. That psychologist was nothing.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on December 25, 2014, 01:06:12 AM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.

Sounds like you've got it sorted.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on December 25, 2014, 01:12:37 AM
I don't think Adnan did it.  The motive is too convenient, and it's weak.  Asia will end up swearing under oath that he had an alibi, and I think he'll ultimately get off if all of these new motions are granted.  The case the prosecution put together was extremely weak, but the jury seemed naive at best and criminally incompetent at worst.

I think someone instigated, and Jay helped.  I think whoever did this ultimately got to Jay, and they got together and framed Adnan.  Who that someone is, I have no idea, but I really don't believe Adnan did it.

Yeah, the jurors are naive.

I don't know why Jay helped, nor do I know why they wanted to frame Adnan, but after all of that, there's nothing more than really strained circumstantial evidence to tie him to the murder.

There is literally no hard evidence tying this kid to the crime.  Nothing.

None of the stories pinning him to the murder ever lined up, and they changed, significantly, from investigation to trial...and then again after the mistrial.

If this kid murdered the girl, he is as cold and smooth as Hannibal Lector.  And none of that fits any sort of profile he's ever exhibited.

Well as long as he doesn't fit the profile ol' panj worked up then I'm sold.  This mystery person must really be something to have pulled all this off and yet remain completely unknown.  Probably will and has killed since.   :ohno:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 25, 2014, 01:41:32 AM
I'm on episode 6 or 7. Had Adnan ever like been in a fight before? Had he ever been in real trouble? I don't believe someone, even an idiot teenager, would murder someone with their bare hands without some history of physical violence.

Would you believe it if he had shot her?

I'd be much more inclined to believe that, yes. Guns make it very easy to kill someone. Also there are tons of evidence of people without a history of messing with guns or getting in to fights later killing someone with a gun. There may be examples of people without history of physical violence killing someone with their bare hands (unprovoked), but I've just never heard of one.

Sounds like you've got it sorted.
:love:

merry Christmas bread
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on December 25, 2014, 01:55:22 AM
query- why does "mr. bread" the gun nut, want to convict adan so badly?

guess the message that sends out is don't come to Illinois if a) foreign or b) your not packed with a better attorney
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 25, 2014, 02:31:58 AM
I can't believe he got convicted. My God. I can see how it's possible that he did it, but holy crap there's a ton of doubt.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on December 30, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
Jay Interview

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 30, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
Jay Interview

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/

Interesting that he also says they just kind of smoked weed and only casually knew each other. I also don't understand the logistics of Hae's car moving all over the place w/o Jay's help. I just always thought Jay was helping him move them around.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 21, 2015, 08:09:34 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/20/exclusive-potential-alibi-witness-for-convicted-murderer-in-serial-breaks-silence-with-new-affidavit/
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 10:20:47 AM
well that's interesting.  i can still see the court ignoring it and never giving her voice a chance to be heard. 
honestly, i really think that mr.bread did it and pinned it all on adnan.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
that website hurts my eyes
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on January 21, 2015, 11:27:56 AM
Shocking that she didn't want crap to do with it when she originally wrote the affidavit and now that it's famous she's all in.  "It's not that I was a lazy disinterested piece of crap before, that lawyer guy convinced me not to do it."  #credibility
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ew2x4 on January 21, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
Just finished it. Meh.

About 5 episodes in I had my doubts. Could have easily just stopped there and been A-ok.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
it was worth listening to just because the snl thing was awesome
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 12:22:23 PM
#shouldhavestoppedthen
#timesaver
#AOK
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2015, 12:23:30 PM
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
Hint: Adnan did it.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
Hint: Adnan did it.

this podcast was never about guilt or innocence (of adnan)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Hint: Adnan did it.

this podcast was never about guilt or innocence (of adnan)

I understand what you're trying to say, but yes, it explicitly and frequently was.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 02:27:26 PM
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it.  read: serial.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2015, 02:35:23 PM
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it.  read: serial.

The narrator is constantly grappling with whether or not she believes Adnan is innocent.  Her eventual conclusion (or partial conclusion, or non-conclusion) to that question is the centerpiece of the final episode.  To me, the story seemed to be presented as her journey to arrive at that conclusion.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 03:01:17 PM
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it.  read: serial.

The narrator is constantly grappling with whether or not she believes Adnan is innocent.  Her eventual conclusion (or partial conclusion, or non-conclusion) to that question is the centerpiece of the final episode.  To me, the story seemed to be presented as her journey to arrive at that conclusion.

like you said, there's no answer to the story that's been presented...which makes this podcast all about the journey, hence the damn name,  "SERIAL".
listen to the intro, good grief
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Spracne on January 21, 2015, 03:17:10 PM
no it wasn't
the podcast was about telling a story about a guy who was convicted of murdering his ex-gf
listeners of the podcast took it the direction it went in threads like this one
but imo it was never about whether or not the guy did it.  read: serial.

The narrator is constantly grappling with whether or not she believes Adnan is innocent.  Her eventual conclusion (or partial conclusion, or non-conclusion) to that question is the centerpiece of the final episode.  To me, the story seemed to be presented as her journey to arrive at that conclusion.

like you said, there's no answer to the story that's been presented...which makes this podcast all about the journey, hence the damn name,  "SERIAL".
listen to the intro, good grief

Wherever you go, there you are...

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by invoking the title of the piece.  The title is a reference to the eponymous method of releasing stories in installments.  It is nothing more than an homage to the once-popular but now-antiquated practice of releasing stories serially, for example one installment each week in a newspaper, or once a month in a periodical.  In fitting radio fashion, NPR is going back to the future!
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 21, 2015, 03:28:12 PM
yep, that's my point. this was never about his guilt or innocence (pro tip:  he was found guilty), it was always about telling his story in a serial format.
thank you and good night.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mr Bread on January 22, 2015, 12:59:18 PM
clams is such a shameless adnan-lover.  can't bear to have his guy get conlcuded on by others.  conclusion?  get a fricking room clams. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ew2x4 on January 23, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)

Well, it's a look. Not sure it is an interesting look.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)

Well, it's a look. Not sure it is an interesting look.

yes the one thing everyone says about Serial is how it isn't interesting
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on January 23, 2015, 11:20:54 AM
too cool for serial'rs :sdeek:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ew2x4 on January 23, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
snl thing was dumb, the whole thing was good because it's an interesting look at how the criminal justice system works (and doesn't)

Well, it's a look. Not sure it is an interesting look.

yes the one thing everyone says about Serial is how it isn't interesting

I think hype has made it more than what it actually is. It's really well done. But I don't think it's interesting. There's no path of intrigue. Every episode is a new piece of info that gets us no where closer to where we feel we need to be. There's no conflict, climax, resolution, etc.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2015, 07:09:36 PM
listened to the first 3 today.  was  :lol: pretty hard when they started talking about mr s(treaker)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on January 27, 2015, 08:32:14 PM

listened to the first 3 today.  was  :lol: pretty hard when they started talking about mr s(treaker)

i wanted more about that dude
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2015, 08:43:03 PM
"Someone stole my clothes" lol.

Cop: :dubious:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
I like that he is so non Chalant about pounding brews and driving back to work.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 27, 2015, 09:10:55 PM
Sometimes whiskey.  That guy has it all figured out.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 27, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
not brandy tho, just whatever's cheap
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on January 27, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Keen eye for spotting buried bodies while pissing too. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 28, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
2 more down, I'm enjoying this.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on January 28, 2015, 11:12:54 PM

2 more down, I'm enjoying this.

the wire trajectory, tho
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on January 29, 2015, 08:33:50 AM

2 more down, I'm enjoying this.

the wire trajectory, tho

only if you're a complete dumbass
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on February 08, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-adnan-syed-appeal-granted-20150207-story.html
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: bubbles4ksu on February 08, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
i hope adnan gets a sweet book deal
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 13, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
A Topeka kansas shoutout  :surprised:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on April 08, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed (http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed)

Quote
A new podcast starting Monday will delve into the strange case "in greater detail, from an investigatory perspective instead of a narrative one," The New York Times reports.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on April 08, 2015, 01:45:29 PM
http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed (http://www.people.com/article/serial-adnan-syed-new-podcast-undisclosed)

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A new podcast starting Monday will delve into the strange case "in greater detail, from an investigatory perspective instead of a narrative one," The New York Times reports.
very weird in a coming to america mcdowell's vs mcdonald's type of way
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 24, 2015, 04:05:43 AM
Apparently Serial 2 is gonna be about Bowe Bergdahl. :Wha:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 10, 2015, 05:59:11 AM
It's posted, son! :party:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 10, 2015, 07:39:11 AM
This is fantastic news.  Really great.  Common sense just posted last night too.  Great day to be a podcast junkie!
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2015, 10:11:44 AM
Listening now! Seems like it will be a great story
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on December 10, 2015, 10:17:57 AM
Very nice teaser at the end of this one.  Should be a pretty interesting  season.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2015, 10:18:55 AM
Ah, just heard Bowe talk about the black room. :sdeek:
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Tobias on December 10, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
i just can't pay enough attention at work, even with headphones... started it but will save for tonight
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:25:47 AM
I love this season. Doesn't seem like anyone talks about it though?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dub on January 08, 2016, 11:27:20 AM
I love this season. Doesn't seem like anyone talks about it though?

I'm waiting for a few epis at a time to come out so I can binge.  It's difficult to listen to one hour at a time.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
Is it maybe because everyone thinks they already know it all about Berghdal?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dub on January 08, 2016, 11:29:36 AM
Is it maybe because everyone thinks they already know it all about Berghdal?

Probably cause that was my initial thought.  But then we listened to 3/4 on a long drive and I'm hooked.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
I like it a lot, but it is no Adnan murder case.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2016, 11:48:20 AM
I think its been solid so far, I didn't know much about him prior to listening though.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:55:40 AM
I like it a lot, but it is no Adnan murder case.

I actually think it's better. Adnan was a lot of he said/she said and bad memories and a ridiculous conviction. This just seems so deep with the politics both from the US and Afghan/Pakistani side plus it's very personal.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
I think it is pretty fantastic that she actually contacted the Taliban to get more info.  The very end of epi 1 def grabbed me
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 08, 2016, 12:17:33 PM
It is definitely great but so far I think I liked Adnan better. I think I was more hooked just because I didn't know anything at all about it, unlike Bairrrg-a-dalll's case. Also Bowe is just less interesting to listen to when he talks. He sounds kinda broken down/unenthusiastic while Adnan for some reason grabbed me more when he spoke. Then again, I also binged Adnan after the season was over, whereas I'm having a week break between each of these eps. But I do definitely love all the political things in Season 2. Learning a ton about the Middle East.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on January 08, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
I've enjoyed it so far.   Interesting to hear the opposing side interviews
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2016, 02:22:43 PM
I like them both and it's good that they are very different accounts. Very interesting.
Title: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Cire on January 08, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2016, 02:42:22 PM
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring


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I hope we get to hear from his pops
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: AppleJack on January 08, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Adnan did it. My only reasoning is that he's like 'whatevs' in prison.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 03:48:34 PM
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring


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I hope we get to hear from his pops

I think about him a lot while listening.  I mean, the old man grew a big ass beard, learned the local language, etc.  He had to assume his kid intentionally defected, or something, and agreed with it, or something.  I mean, why else? 

I really think this has the potential to be the most intriguing part of the story but I guess I will be shocked if he participates much.

Didn't they say early on that Bowe doesn't speak to his parents anymore?  I wonder if this is because they assumed he defected and he takes offense to that?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 04:04:55 PM
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring


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I legit don't know how you could listen to the crap he went through and think "boring"
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 08, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
Bergdahl is boooooooooooring


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I legit don't know how you could listen to the crap he went through and think "boring"

He doesn't talk with a ton of enthusiasm. That's what they mean. The things he says are interesting, but he's pretty monotone and this is a medium that is completely based on talking.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 04:12:27 PM
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp.  He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 04:14:10 PM
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp.  He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.

I didn't get that impression
Title: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: 8manpick on January 08, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp.  He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.

I didn't get that impression

Didn't he basically say as much when explaining in ep1?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 04:15:18 PM
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp.  He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.

I didn't get that impression

He said that, specifically. 
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 04:16:28 PM
yeah, but the overall context didn't seem that way
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
Koenig has returned to that a couple times now.  Restating that he was trying to cause the DUSTWUN(SP?) by being "some type of super soldier", or something to that extent.  Seems she to be trying to either reinforce it, or build us up for another twist down the road.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I thought he just wanted to run to the main base to get the DUSTWUN, not like kill a bunch of guys with his bare hands or anything. So what I'm saying, even though he said he wanted to be Jason Bourne in one of those many conversations he had with the producer guy, he really didn't seem to have any aspirations of actually doing things like Jason Bourne. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on January 08, 2016, 04:43:42 PM
good point. he probably should have gone with ninja, or something.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2016, 05:36:28 PM
Totally forgot this was still going. First episode wasn't that good
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
I don't buy his reason given for leaving camp.  He sounds like an intelligent person, but then tries to tell you that he wanted to prove to himself that he was Jason Borne.

I didn't get that impression

He said that, specifically.
I went back and relistened and it was the filmmaker that suggested he wanted to be Jason Bourne.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 08, 2016, 11:03:19 PM
none of you were listening very well.

Bergdhal's stated reason for leaving was to trigger a DUSTWUN to get an audience with a superior to tell them how shitty the CO's were at his outpost. 

This seems like an incredibly dumb reason that lead to an even dumber plan of trying to come up with the subsequent justification once he was gone that he was going to provide some intel to mitigate the punishment.

What is interesting is that when Bergdhal attempts to explain all of this none of them seem to make a ton of sense even to him and as he's saying it, maybe it is the monotone affect (and did he have that before being captured?) you get the impression that maybe the reason was he left his post because he wanted to leave his post with no real deep reason or justification. 

He definitely does not convey any passion or deep belief in the reason for doing it.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Cire on January 08, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Yes, very boring


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dub on January 08, 2016, 11:57:15 PM
none of you were listening very well.

Bergdhal's stated reason for leaving was to trigger a DUSTWUN to get an audience with a superior to tell them how shitty the CO's were at his outpost. 

This seems like an incredibly dumb reason that lead to an even dumber plan of trying to come up with the subsequent justification once he was gone that he was going to provide some intel to mitigate the punishment.

What is interesting is that when Bergdhal attempts to explain all of this none of them seem to make a ton of sense even to him and as he's saying it, maybe it is the monotone affect (and did he have that before being captured?) you get the impression that maybe the reason was he left his post because he wanted to leave his post with no real deep reason or justification. 

He definitely does not convey any passion or deep belief in the reason for doing it.

There was a reason he left (DUSTWUN, traitor, CIA, etc) or he lost his mind and went crazy, which it doesn't sound like his friends or anyone else thought he was in that much distress.

Like the military guys said, no one does that.  There's nowhere to go.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:58:50 PM
none of you were listening very well.

Bergdhal's stated reason for leaving was to trigger a DUSTWUN to get an audience with a superior to tell them how shitty the CO's were at his outpost. 

This seems like an incredibly dumb reason that lead to an even dumber plan of trying to come up with the subsequent justification once he was gone that he was going to provide some intel to mitigate the punishment.

What is interesting is that when Bergdhal attempts to explain all of this none of them seem to make a ton of sense even to him and as he's saying it, maybe it is the monotone affect (and did he have that before being captured?) you get the impression that maybe the reason was he left his post because he wanted to leave his post with no real deep reason or justification. 

He definitely does not convey any passion or deep belief in the reason for doing it.
I agree with all of that except me not listening well.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2016, 11:59:31 PM
I also think they didn't spend enough time on why he walked off. May be coming.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dub on January 09, 2016, 12:00:28 AM
Also, I'd be monotone and unenthusiastic after being debriefed for god knows how long then having to talk with a producer/director on taped phone calls for 30+ hours or whatever it was
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on January 09, 2016, 12:14:59 AM
I think his unemotional delivery makes him pretty compelling/surprising/unpredictable
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Cire on January 09, 2016, 09:30:31 AM
Maybe you are just "on the spectrum"


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Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 12, 2016, 04:33:11 PM
You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dub on February 12, 2016, 04:37:45 PM
You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.

Did he get a new trial?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on February 12, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
nope, it's an appeal hearing arguing that his lawyer didn't do a competent job.  Asia McClain got to testify about seeing Adnan in the library when he supposedly was killing Hae.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: kso_FAN on February 12, 2016, 07:04:17 PM

You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.

Yes, it was really good last week for those 3 short ones. Then Koening couldn't go Monday and now nothing new this week, which was disappointing.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: wetwillie on February 12, 2016, 07:07:18 PM
Serial season 2 has been like the second season of true detective for me.  It's been disappointing but I keep listening anyway.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on February 12, 2016, 07:09:23 PM
It's not as good as 1, but I still dig it.  It is no way as disappointing as true detective 2.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 13, 2016, 11:05:33 AM

You guys been listening to the updates on Adnan's attempt to get a new trial? Kind of amazing how this thread has floundered considering all the updates recently.

Yes, it was really good last week for those 3 short ones. Then Koening couldn't go Monday and now nothing new this week, which was disappointing.

Yeah. Was hoping she could have covered it all. I think the judhge is gonna decide over the next two weeks whether or not he gets a trial and then issue the decree in writing. How anticlimactic.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: TownieCat on June 30, 2016, 04:46:44 PM
He's getting a new trial  :surprised:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/serial-adnan-syed-new-trial.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/us/serial-adnan-syed-new-trial.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 30, 2016, 09:37:18 PM
Daaaaaaamn dis gun b gud
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 29, 2016, 08:03:00 AM
Undisclosed was a podcast about the serial podcast. Over the summer they started their second season and are making it like the first season of serial. It's about a kid named joey Watkins that was put in jail for murder. V good so far.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: ChiComCat on September 29, 2016, 09:33:32 AM
Accused is a podcast trying to rip off serial doing a Cincy murder that happened 40ish years ago.  It is terrible.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on September 29, 2016, 10:24:50 AM
Undisclosed was a podcast about the serial podcast. Over the summer they started their second season and are making it like the first season of serial. It's about a kid named joey Watkins that was put in jail for murder. V good so far.

i tried listening to undisclosed.  couldn't handle it.  seemed like their only intent was to show how innocent adnan was instead of telling a story.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on September 29, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
s2 of serial sucked
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: michigancat on September 29, 2016, 11:30:54 AM
s2 of serial sucked

I liked it more. But I'll admit I was the only one.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on September 29, 2016, 01:10:53 PM
Undisclosed was a podcast about the serial podcast. Over the summer they started their second season and are making it like the first season of serial. It's about a kid named joey Watkins that was put in jail for murder. V good so far.

i tried listening to undisclosed.  couldn't handle it.  seemed like their only intent was to show how innocent adnan was instead of telling a story.

Yeah. Season two has nothing to do with adnan though, so you might like it. It's a lot like the first season of serial but with a redneck teen from Georgia and a good side cast of all his rednecky friends.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 08, 2019, 07:37:05 PM
WTF :frown:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/us/serial-adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 11, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
WTF :frown:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/us/serial-adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

yeah, that seems very artibtrary.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 02:15:15 AM
WTF :frown:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/us/serial-adnan-syed-conviction-reinstated/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

yeah, that seems very artibtrary.

I wonder if this is due to evidence found in the making of HBO's new series about this case.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 14, 2022, 11:58:29 PM
Holy crap

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62909702

Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2022, 10:27:22 AM
Holy crap

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62909702

I can't stand when people say we have the best criminal justice system in the world
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Both of the new potential suspects have been known to police since the 1999 murder, according to a court filing submitted by prosecutors on Wednesday.

One of the two - neither of whom has been named by officials - had previously threatened "to make her [Lee] disappear" or kill her, the documents say.

Prosecutors did not inform Adnan's defence team of the potentially exculpatory evidence, which poses a possible trial violation.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Catchacold on September 15, 2022, 01:26:17 PM
and

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Lee's car was also found behind the home of one of the suspects, officials added. That information was not discovered until 2022, according to Mrs Mosby's office.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on September 15, 2022, 02:05:37 PM
and

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Lee's car was also found behind the home of one of the suspects, officials added. That information was not discovered until 2022, according to Mrs Mosby's office.

Cops...

Somethings don't change.

They and the prosecutors were willing to learn about cellphone towers and elaborate triangulation tech but couldn't look to see who rented or owned the residences next to some of the hottest evidence in the case.  Morons.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 19, 2022, 03:32:48 PM
Adnan’s out!

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-adnan-syed-hearing-to-vacate-conviction-20220919-ynxvlcuqpbch5h6h2xl5xleh7q-story.html
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: pissclams on September 19, 2022, 06:18:28 PM
amazing
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: Spracne on September 19, 2022, 06:20:47 PM
Can't imagine those prosecutors really want to re-try the case, at this point. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: TheHamburglar on October 11, 2022, 10:09:45 AM
Charges dropped.
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: CNS on October 11, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
Charges dropped.

Is that how that works?  Is there not some formal process to void his past ruling?  I mean, is he still considered a felon?
Title: Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
Post by: MakeItRain on October 12, 2022, 07:34:14 AM
Charges dropped.

Is that how that works?  Is there not some formal process to void his past ruling?  I mean, is he still considered a felon?

Yep. He can request that the charges are sealed, but in this case, what does that matter? The governor of Maryland or the potus can pardon him.