Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)

[Mr Bread]

Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.

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Not that weird of a thing for an idiot to say.  You can tell them all day long what the law is and then they just do what they want anyway. 

[pissclams]

Sounds like some feelings have been hurt by questioning the accuracy of conclusions drawn from limited information. 

we have more information than the jury did son

[Mr Bread]

I'm sitting third chair on this one, clams.  The jurors heard the case, you all hear the podcast and I'm going to read this here thread.  Judgments will be flying and if we're lucky maybe a few hard truths will be revealed to those who know what to look for.

[Tobias]

i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Yeah, I get that, but it's weird to be aware of and admit that it was a big factor in the decision.

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Not that weird of a thing for an idiot to say.  You can tell them all day long what the law is and then they just do what they want anyway.

yeah, a juror in my brother's civil malpractice case said they found for the doctor because "there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt".     cue L&O theme.

[Mr Bread]

i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

Being on a jury does something to your average everday idiot that makes them worse by at least a factor of ten than they would ordinarily be.  They feel empowered and important and therefore automatically smarter and better, which causes them to be less observant and more obstinate and obtuse.  It's a really terrifying phenomenon. 

[pissclams]

I'm sitting third chair on this one, clams.  The jurors heard the case, you all hear the podcast and I'm going to read this here thread.  Judgments will be flying and if we're lucky maybe a few hard truths will be revealed to those who know what to look for.

all indications are that bread was part of adnan's defense team

duly noted

your honor, I object

OVERRULED

#facial

[Panjandrum]

i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

Being on a jury does something to your average everday idiot that makes them worse by at least a factor of ten than they would ordinarily be.  They feel empowered and important and therefore automatically smarter and better, which causes them to be less observant and more obstinate and obtuse.  It's a really terrifying phenomenon.

The fact that this jury deliberated for three hours on a first degree murder charge tells me everything I needed to know about the intelligence of this jury.

[mocat]

i was on a jury for a murder trial. we found the person guilty over lunch. less than 2 hours. the defendant did not testify. he also had motive and a terrible allibi and there was physical evidence against him, and he had a tired looking public defendant who did not do a good job, but still.

-the idea (of lawyers) that your defendant is going to get ripped apart by the prosecutor, so he/she better not testify, is mind-blowingly off base. it goes from high risk/high reward (testify) to high risk/no reward (not testify). i do not give a eff what you lawyer-y types say to the contrary. the fact that your average juror is a moron only reinforces the fact that you should understand that said moron juror is going to not like it when the defendant does not defend him/herself.

[mocat]

it sounds like Adnan's lawyer was terrible. her incessant "was it not?" line of questioning made me cringe. also she did not utilize the cell phone thing very well, or the fact that there was a god damned eye witness who saw adnan in the library.
there is definitely something missing in jay's narrative. hard to find adnan guilty based on the evidence, and "who the eff else could have done it?" is not reason enough to put adnan away for life. that being said he probably did it.

[SkinnyBenny]

SKINNYBENNY CHECKING IN, FELLOW GUMSHOES!!!!!! 

Binge listened to all 9 episodes over Thanksgiving. Not really sure what exactly happened, but Jay is definitely involved. Did he act alone? Did he act with Adnan? Did he act with someone else? These are the burning questions of our time. BUT. Definitely sure Jay is involved, because he seems like an absolute garbage human being who changes his story constantly. I mean.....not remembering the location of where Adnan supposedly first opened his trunk? GMAFB. And I don't buy that Hae died in the Best Buy parking lot for a second.

And yes, Christina Gutierrez was a POS lawyer and her "WAS IT NOT???" line of questioning drove me absolutely insane. It sounds like the detectives are bumbling morons, as well. Adnan should probably not be in jail, even if he did have a role; in no way was there enough evidence presented to convict him and sentence him to life.  "Mountains of reasonable doubt," says some 2L intern. I concur.

[pissclams]

consider that the 2L intern works for "the innocence project"

[SkinnyBenny]

consider that the 2L intern works for "the innocence project"

Right.

[8manpick]

Is this show ever coming back? my god...

[pissclams]

good article
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/30/serial-podcast-appeals-court-adnan-syed

[Mikeyis4dcats]

woohoo!  53 minutes!

[Panjandrum]

If you didn't like hearing his lawyer before, settle in for a long Episode 10.

If I'm a juror, and I have to listen to her voice, cadence, and line of questioning, I'm looking for the nearest pen to jam into my ears.

Woof.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

yeah, listening to trial lawyers can be reall annoying.  That cadence they have where they sputter about asking questions while pausing or slowing to form new questions in their head can get old.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

huh, so the Serial host wrote about his attorney back in 2001

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients

[mocat]

huh, so the Serial host wrote about his attorney back in 2001

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-07-19/news/0107190108_1_gutierrez-trust-fund-clients

 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

"[Adnan Syed] participated in a National competition in which he built a solar vehicle that won 6th place in Topeka, KS last spring." (1996?)

WOAH!

[SkinnyBenny]

i just had to be the presiding juror on a three week long criminal trial this summer.  you can pretty much assume, like everything else in real life, that the jurors are all pretty section L

incredible referential post there by tobias. folks, that's how you win yourself a csourk'y.

[Panjandrum]

Next week is the final episode.

 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Next week is the final episode.

 

this week was pretty boring

[pissclams]

sarah was on colbert yesterday