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Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« on: November 17, 2014, 08:57:38 AM »
We didn't have one of these and half of the Podcasts thread has been Serial, so here's a thread for it.

I don't think Adnan did it.  I need to be convinced.

Disclaimer: Still need to listen to Episode 8.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 09:33:07 AM »
episode 8 will give some decent insight into a bit of the trial and the jurors

defense attorney's strategy seemed to backfire imo...

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 09:45:52 AM »
these detectives got ran over by two bumbling potheads.  pretty amazing.


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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 09:52:09 AM »
these detectives got ran over by two bumbling potheads.  pretty amazing.

it's like a reverse scooby doo or something, incredible

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 09:54:21 AM »
I find it crazy that Best Buy didn't have lot cameras in 1997.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 09:58:08 AM »
I find it crazy that Best Buy didn't have lot cameras in 1997.

if it makes you feel better, it doesn't matter anyways since they would've been taped over a million times before anyone asked about it

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2014, 10:01:40 AM »
Another thing that is crazy:
-there is that one chick who Adnan and jay went to hang out with the evening of the murder, adnan got a call from the cops, he and jay immediately left and looked all worried.  Cops didn't talk to this chick or her boyfriend.

 - The one girl who was a neighbor of some guy that told her he saw a body in the back of a car and that some guy named adnan killed her.  She didn't know adnan at all.  Cops didn't talk to her or the guy, her neighbor at all.

 - Don, the BF.  Cops didn't talk to Don.

I feel like there are a few other seemingly important ppl that the cops never talked to that seem to have a strong position in this story.

WTF, Cops?  I mean, I know....cops.....but still.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 10:04:48 AM »
the payphone at/outside of best buy that jay said he received the phone call from adnan which didn't exist was sketchy too


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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2014, 10:07:30 AM »

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2014, 10:10:40 AM »
why would he leave his phone with jay, i never understood that


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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 10:11:10 AM »
adnan says he really doesn't know jay that well, why would he give him his car and phone?


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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2014, 10:25:40 AM »
adnan says he really doesn't know jay that well, why would he give him his car and phone?

Maybe Jay sells drugs, because sometimes irl drug dealers use their users cars and phones.  #hyperide

p.s. I haven't been listening to this. 
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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2014, 10:26:32 AM »
well, mr bread, you're in for a treat.  jay did in fact sell drugs

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2014, 10:29:32 AM »
They have got to have an episode (and maybe it's this next one) where they discuss the defense attorney.

I mean she sounds awful. The cross examination of Jay was atrocious.

I don't buy the motive, I don't buy the timeline, and I think Adnan was an easy target because of profiling.  Once they got a whiff of testimony from Jay, it went down the path, evidence be damned, and they constructed a case based on a whole hell of a lot of conjecture.

Even when people are presented the facts, and then they say, "Do you think Adnan did it?", everyone always comes back and say, "Well, if he didn't do it, who did?"

And that's what makes this so bizarre.  It's not the evidence that really points to a killer, it's the lack of a killer that  lead them to "evidence".

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2014, 10:32:46 AM »
The absolute contrast between Adnan and Jay's timeline make me pretty sure it was one of those two who killed her.  Maybe both and Jay constructed his to hook Adnan as the guy and Jay the hesitant sidekick who could make a deal. :dunno:

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2014, 10:40:08 AM »
Here's a IRL spoiler alert for everyone:

When there is a murder, cops really, really, really, really want to get a clearance and they almost always suspect a significant other or family member.
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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2014, 10:41:43 AM »
- Don, the BF.  Cops didn't talk to Don.

They definitely talked to Don.  They just said he was ruled out quickly because of his work alibi.

- The one girl who was a neighbor of some guy that told her he saw a body in the back of a car and that some guy named adnan killed her.  She didn't know adnan at all.  Cops didn't talk to her or the guy, her neighbor at all.


IIRC, they talked to the neighbor.  I thought he said to the podcast people that he told the cops he never saw a body, which is the same thing he told them.

Adnan and Jay not being "that close" maybe true to Adnan, but I think most people would consider them close.  Adnan probably saw him as a dealer and not a real "friend" but his track buddy said Jay would pick him up all the time and that wouldn't be noticed as unusual.  They were probably closer than Adnan would admit.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2014, 10:48:31 AM »
IIRC, Stephanie(adnan's friend and Jays GF) said that they weren't close near the beginning of the series. 




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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2014, 10:48:52 AM »
I think it's weird that Stephanie is so shut off about it all.  She's a critical piece of this, IMO.  She's Jay's reason for compliance (Adnan apparently threatened Jay that he'd hurt her), and she was apparently the only person with Jay at his sentencing.  According to everyone, she was his world, and she just fell off of a cliff and out of this story (from what we know so far).  She was most likely (if not) the link between Jay and Adnan.

Everyone says she won't talk about it.  She lost friendships over it.  She won't so much as talk to the reporter.

Apparently, getting a gift for Stephanie is what got Jay and Adnan together at the mall in the first place.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2014, 10:50:14 AM »
I'm not convinced Adnan did it, but I am convinced based on what I've seen of the evidence he shouldn't have been convicted.

It is a very wierd deal.   And I'm not sure why cops thing Hae was killed in that short window, other than Jay's questionable testimony.  I mean, there's no physical evidence saying she was killed then, or even that day.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2014, 10:50:47 AM »
Also, that chick who saw Adnan in the library during the time when he supposedly killed Hae.  She wrote Adnan a letter stating she saw him.  Adnan gave it to his defense attorney yet it was never discussed in any way during the trial and the chick said that she hadn't been interviewed by the cops either.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2014, 10:52:34 AM »
I'm not convinced Adnan did it, but I am convinced based on what I've seen of the evidence he shouldn't have been convicted.

It is a very wierd deal.   And I'm not sure why cops thing Hae was killed in that short window, other than Jay's questionable testimony.  I mean, there's no physical evidence saying she was killed then, or even that day.

IIRC, epi 6 or 7 said that the only thing creating that time window was Adnan's phone records and an assumption that a certain call was to Hae and another was to Jay for him to pick Adnan up.  The window itself could be fabricated by Jay's testimony regarding a call and the assumption that the previous call was to Hae, even though the epi said that there was no phone record to prove it.

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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2014, 10:55:29 AM »
to me, the inconsistency indicates that one of them is lying
people who didn't murder their ex-gf don't lie when staring down a life sentence
jay didn't have a reason to kill Hae, nor much of a connection to her

i don't know, the evidence presented makes very little sense.  i would think they would need more concrete evidence before putting him behind bars for the rest of his life + 30 yrs.


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Re: Better Late Than Never "Serial" Thread (Spoilers?)
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2014, 11:16:03 AM »
IIRC, Stephanie(adnan's friend and Jays GF) said that they weren't close near the beginning of the series. 

True but that Will track guy said Jay picked him up all the time.  As with any part of this, there is one person that says one thing and another that contradicts it.  Given everything else we know, I don't think Stephanie's take is accurate.  In my mind, Jay was one of those guys that you smoked with in High School but never really hung out with outside of that.  You didn't want to admit you were good friends because he was a drug dealing stoner and you were just someone who casually smoked.