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If only there was a way to avoid killing someone with asthma when choking them.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning. They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.
Quote from: Spracne on December 04, 2014, 10:40:20 AMThe police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:54:31 AMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 09:29:52 AMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:27:22 AMWas he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.You don't think drugs should be regulated?That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. Of course the overzealous cop was the most proximate cause of his death. The guy's severe obesity and asthma was undoubtedly another contributing factor. But I do think the arrest itself was ridiculous. It's a stupid law and a stupid waste of law enforcement to enforce that law. Rand Paul is right to point that out. He's not saying the cop had nothing to do with it, but the cop would never have been in that situation if not for a very stupid tax and law.
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:54:31 AMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 09:29:52 AMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:27:22 AMWas he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.You don't think drugs should be regulated?That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on December 04, 2014, 09:29:52 AMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:27:22 AMWas he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.You don't think drugs should be regulated?That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 04, 2014, 09:27:22 AMWas he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.You don't think drugs should be regulated?
Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
It was ruled homicide by a medical examiner, who likely took everything mentioned here into account. That's enough to charge someone with murder, manslaughter etc
Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 04, 2014, 11:24:18 AMCops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.If the alternative is killing them for selling smokes, I'd be cool with that.
Quote from: EMAWmeister on December 04, 2014, 11:23:53 AMIt was ruled homicide by a medical examiner, who likely took everything mentioned here into account. That's enough to charge someone with murder, manslaughter etcNo, it's pretty straightforward for the medical examiner. It's not his job to perform a mini-trial in his head. That a death is ruled a homicide does not necessarily mean a criminal act has occurred. So, yeah, you're super wrong.
Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 04, 2014, 11:24:18 AMCops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.He didn't resist arrest. The officers never informed him that he would be placed under arrest. They attacked him like a gang.
The local shop owners called the police to get rid of him. He had been arrested like 30+ times, I'm sure he knew that jerking away from the cops would be viewed as resisting.
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on December 04, 2014, 10:56:19 AMQuote from: Spracne on December 04, 2014, 10:40:20 AMThe police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.