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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories
Apparently there was a shooting in Ferguson, MO yesterday where a kid was shot by police (unverified) nine times. Lots of tension over the shooting and about 100 other LEO's were called in to keep the situation secure.
The information was coming out rather slow and the Ferguson PD has held a press conference stating the shooting started after the cops confronted the teen and his friend as they walked in the street. The kid was unarmed.
The PD's version of events says the teen assaulted the officer and one shot was fired inside the car. The teen ran away from the car, was shot in the leg about 35 feet away from the car, stopped and put his hands up, and then was shot multiple times while on the ground.
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no way!
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/st-louis-teen-police-shooting/13856377/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories
Apparently there was a shooting in Ferguson, MO yesterday where a kid was shot by police (unverified) nine times. Lots of tension over the shooting and about 100 other LEO's were called in to keep the situation secure.
The information was coming out rather slow and the Ferguson PD has held a press conference stating the shooting started after the cops confronted the teen and his friend as they walked in the street. The kid was unarmed.
The PD's version of events says the teen assaulted the officer and one shot was fired inside the car. The teen ran away from the car, was shot in the leg about 35 feet away from the car, stopped and put his hands up, and then was shot multiple times while on the ground.
it's ridiculous to have armed cops.
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It's STL, what do you expect?
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I really expected gE to have more to say on this. Was really looking forward to reading the commentary.
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i hate cops. i really do. i don't trust them to not be complete idiots. they are mostly incompetent, arrogant entitled losers who either weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to go to college. i shudder when i think of the guys from my high school who became cops.
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i hate cops. i really do. i don't trust them to not be complete idiots. they are mostly incompetent, arrogant entitled losers who either weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to go to college. i shudder when i think of the guys from my high school who became cops.
. This x1,000,000.
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I read an article that Mike Brown was friends with a KSU athlete. I'm thinking DJamer or Nino?
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Agree mostly. I know three ppl from my HS that are/were cops. Two guys, one girl. Both of the guys were kicked off for eventually being charged with beating their wives. The girl is the wife of one of the two guys.
One of the two guys sold weed and speed in HS.
Pretty high end product keeping the streets "safe".
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i hate cops. i really do. i don't trust them to not be complete idiots. they are mostly incompetent, arrogant entitled losers who either weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to go to college. i shudder when i think of the guys from my high school who became cops.
This x1,000,000.
Have a HS friend that is a cop now. I believe that he's adequately competent to perform as a cop. However, it's a small town that he'll be working in so his duties will really deal with HS kids drinking hooch on the weekends and speeding tickets.
Can't really speak for how it is in major metropolitan places, but I see cops job in small towns ( > 15,000-20,000) as essentially a mall cop with a car, not a Segway.
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I think it's odd that this town outside StL doesn't have dash cams in police cars.
I'm also really sick of stuff like this happening, and if the eyewitness accounts are even close to true, this officer should be in a lot of trouble.
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It'll be interesting to see how the media covers this as compared to Treyvon Martin. This sounds a lot worse, but the cop seems to be getting more deferential treatment because he's a cop.
Sounds like this guy did a very stupid thing attacking a cop, but then he ran away. Does police protocol even allow you to shoot a fleeing attacker once, let alone multiple times?
The ensuing riots were also pretty disgusting.
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How come Daris hasn't weighed in on this?
SHOW YOURSELF COPPER!!!! :shakesfist:
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i hate cops. i really do. i don't trust them to not be complete idiots. they are mostly incompetent, arrogant entitled losers who either weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to go to college. i shudder when i think of the guys from my high school who became cops.
This x1,000,000.
Have a HS friend that is a cop now. I believe that he's adequately competent to perform as a cop. However, it's a small town that he'll be working in so his duties will really deal with HS kids drinking hooch on the weekends and speeding tickets.
Can't really speak for how it is in major metropolitan places, but I see cops job in small towns ( > 15,000-20,000) as essentially a mall cop with a car, not a Segway.
I used to think that, but cops' job has them dealing with some pretty messed up situations anywhere you go. There is domestic battery, child abuse, drugs everywhere you go.
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Surprised there isn't more anger over this.
http://www.fox23.com/news/news/man-shot-and-killed-northwest-tulsa/ngwYB/
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Surprised there isn't more anger over this.
http://www.fox23.com/news/news/man-shot-and-killed-northwest-tulsa/ngwYB/
that is pretty awful, so many questions
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Surprised there isn't more anger over this.
http://www.fox23.com/news/news/man-shot-and-killed-northwest-tulsa/ngwYB/
Off duty police officers shooting someone in a personal issue. They're both in jail. Not really sure what additional outcome angry people would want.
Also, Tulsa PD leadership has a pretty good relationship with civic leaders. There's not a lot of underlying angst.
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Surprised there isn't more anger over this.
http://www.fox23.com/news/news/man-shot-and-killed-northwest-tulsa/ngwYB/
Off duty police officers shooting someone in a personal issue. They're both in jail. Not really sure what additional outcome angry people would want.
Also, Tulsa PD leadership has a pretty good relationship with civic leaders. There's not a lot of underlying angst.
Cool.
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i hate cops. i really do. i don't trust them to not be complete idiots. they are mostly incompetent, arrogant entitled losers who either weren't smart enough or ambitious enough to go to college. i shudder when i think of the guys from my high school who became cops.
This x1,000,000.
Have a HS friend that is a cop now. I believe that he's adequately competent to perform as a cop. However, it's a small town that he'll be working in so his duties will really deal with HS kids drinking hooch on the weekends and speeding tickets.
Can't really speak for how it is in major metropolitan places, but I see cops job in small towns ( > 15,000-20,000) as essentially a mall cop with a car, not a Segway.
I used to think that, but cops' job has them dealing with some pretty messed up situations anywhere you go. There is domestic battery, child abuse, drugs everywhere you go.
Yeah. It definitely varies from place to place.
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/11/after-vigil-and-lootinghepeopleoffergusontrytopickupthepieces.html
She took her two young children to a QuickTrip convenience store that had been looted and burned in northern St. Louis County. She and a few other people were sweeping the parking lot, picking up trash and moving large pieces of debris out of the area as others swung by to view the damage.
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
not directly.
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
not directly.
Yes, and this is the way they 'revolt'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteNCOXxWPY
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Ugh. Nick Wright is going off on @KrisKetzKMBC. He said he was just RT the riots and not explaining the act on 96.5 the buzz. Something about how we treat black youth differently than minorities in news coverage.. He loves talking about this stuff.
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Also, i'm pissed at the cops on this one, it's total bull crap. I just hate how much Nick Wright beats this drum. He's going after some news anchor in KC and calling him a fraud for just RT'ing reports from KC. :facepalm:
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Also, i'm pissed at the cops on this one, it's total bull crap. I just hate how much Nick Wright beats this drum. He's going after some news anchor in KC and calling him a fraud for just RT'ing reports from KC. :facepalm:
I hate how people just dismiss Americas problems.
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Ugh. Nick Wright is going off on @KrisKetzKMBC. He said he was just RT the riots and not explaining the act on 96.5 the buzz. Something about how we treat black youth differently than minorities in news coverage.. He loves talking about this stuff.
i legitimately read this 20 times and i'm no closer to understanding what's going on with nick wright
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Do our police forces need the tactical equipment of. Navy Seals?
There seems to be a rise of police brutality and abuse of authority with the new use military grade equipment.
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again, i only know little bits i've read online, but it just seems like if you're pissed at the police, as they should be, that destroying local businesses is one of the stupidest things you could possibly do to express that.
aside from that, read this:
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913/+marchman (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913/+marchman)
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Ugh. Nick Wright is going off on @KrisKetzKMBC. He said he was just RT the riots and not explaining the act on 96.5 the buzz. Something about how we treat black youth differently than minorities in news coverage.. He loves talking about this stuff.
i legitimately read this 20 times and i'm no closer to understanding what's going on with nick wright
Audio at the bottom http://www.965thebuzz.com/pages/14087527.php?contentType=31&contentId=5805&pid=420651
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Ugh. Nick Wright is going off on @KrisKetzKMBC. He said he was just RT the riots and not explaining the act on 96.5 the buzz. Something about how we treat black youth differently than minorities in news coverage.. He loves talking about this stuff.
i legitimately read this 20 times and i'm no closer to understanding what's going on with nick wright
Audio at the bottom http://www.965thebuzz.com/pages/14087527.php?contentType=31&contentId=5805&pid=420651
i'm not going to listen, but feel free to summarize. or don't, that's fine too.
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This crap is getting rediculous, I walked out of Starbucks today with my mocha latte, a cop is just outside
He looks me over and says "what the eff are you lookin' at?" I put my head down and walked away while he put his hand on his sidearm. I can't guarantee I would be alive tonight if I would have smarted
Off. Who on earth is making these guys think it's ok to act like this?
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Seven, I'll do it tomorrow when I'm not bbs'ing from my phone.
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Go Reds!
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Go Reds!
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hard to tell if red or orange. maybe go chicago.
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Nice wine selection.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact. Morons toe did it in this thread, "they" who is "they?" This unarmed teen less than a week from starting college was shot in the back and some people's reaction is "but look at them burning that QuickTrip and stealing shoes. This is the world we live in. Even if this cop is found guilty of something we will still view black men as less than human and something to feared, like wild chimps.
Also a note about cameras on cops. I live in a county where only 17,000 people live, about 95% white, and all of the Boone city officers wear cameras and mics in addition to having dash cams.
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If they can afford all the combat equipment of an infantry division, they can strap on a gopro and have a dash cam
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
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Yes! This is total bullshit. They need to make an example out of this cop.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
not directly.
Yes, and this is the way they 'revolt'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteNCOXxWPY
The people looting/burning crap don't give a crap about the kid, they are just using this as an excuse to loot/burn crap. But hey, "they" all look alike so "they" all are doing it.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
It's extremely complicated, but it largely stems form our history of racism going back to the European settlers arriving here.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
It's extremely complicated, but it largely stems form our history of racism going back to the European settlers arriving here.
It's very unfair that this is the case, what can we do as a country to put a higher value on black people.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
It's extremely complicated, but it largely stems form our history of racism going back to the European settlers arriving here.
It's very unfair that this is the case, what can we do as a country to put a higher value on black people.
Yeah, it is unfair. Again it's really complicated, but I think we should start by investing in better education opportunities for poor black communities. Like radically more and differently than we do now.
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I'll put this another way. There is no debate that looting and burning that QuickTrip was wrong, the people who did it know it's wrong. Threatening St. Louis cops for what happened is wrong, people doing it know it's wrong. Neither of these things aren't really debated. Tell me why we have a 100+ page thread on this site debating the merits of killing an unarmed 17 year old kid? Why won't a police department, who had an officer reportedly shoot an unarmed 18 year old up to 9 times, not release any information about the shooting at all in the guise of protecting themselves? How did a man shoot and kill two unarmed men in the back who just robbed his neighbors unoccupied home but were literally walking away when he blasted them with a shotgun while telling a 911 operator he was going to kill them, get away with not even spending the night in jail? How could we not find 12 random people to agree that black kids in a car playing loud music isn't dangerous enough to have some guy fire multiple shots into their car killing one of them?
We can get 100% agreement that stealing beer in a hurricane or selling food stamps for a cell phone is wrong but we have to hem and haw about dangerous black men are when they get shot like a buck in the woods.
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Do they still teach kids that cops are your frienda and can be trusted and stuff? Cause man that crap is going down the drain quick
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "you're one of the good ones" as if that's a compliment.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
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It seems like these tragedies center around guys with guns and their fear of black men in particular,
if we can get rid of these fears it may stop this kind of non-sense.
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again, i only know little bits i've read online, but it just seems like if you're pissed at the police, as they should be, that destroying local businesses is one of the stupidest things you could possibly do to express that.
aside from that, read this:
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913/+marchman (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913/+marchman)
That's a pretty good opinion piece that's ladled with fact. The most salient point to me are the comments of the militarization of police. I mean, just the words "Law Enforcement" should sound an alarm. I know they do for me more so than ever. The other great point was the comparisons to non-black people openly carrying automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
i don't think i was very clear. i was agreeing that society as a whole, including black society does not value a black life, particularly a young black life. black youths are something like %400 more likely to be the victim of a homicide than other races. you don't think that if young black kids stopped (or slowed down) on killing each other, that maybe the whole "thuggy gangbanger" stereotype might die down too? it's obviously more complicated than that, but if islamic fundamentalists would stop stoning people and cutting heads off and crap, the world might not view arabs as savages.
to your second point, maybe not rapey, but men, and white men in particular are judged very quickly as being pedophiles. males are running away from elementary (and secondary) teaching for fear of being judged as a pedophile. i imagine in your line of work you've felt some of the same pressure.
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If you want the police to change, rioting seems to me like the way to go. It forces the city to get involved.
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Good strat here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=741300245937583
i have no idea what's going on, but are they doing this in response to what the cops did?
not directly.
Yes, and this is the way they 'revolt'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteNCOXxWPY
The people looting/burning crap don't give a crap about the kid, they are just using this as an excuse to loot/burn crap. But hey, "they" all look alike so "they" all are doing it.
I don't think that's true for most. True for some, definitely.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
i don't think i was very clear. i was agreeing that society as a whole, including black society does not value a black life, particularly a young black life. black youths are something like %400 more likely to be the victim of a homicide than other races. you don't think that if young black kids stopped (or slowed down) on killing each other, that maybe the whole "thuggy gangbanger" stereotype might die down too? it's obviously more complicated than that, but if islamic fundamentalists would stop stoning people and cutting heads off and crap, the world might not view arabs as savages.
to your second point, maybe not rapey, but men, and white men in particular are judged very quickly as being pedophiles. males are running away from elementary (and secondary) teaching for fear of being judged as a pedophile. i imagine in your line of work you've felt some of the same pressure.
Seven, most black men haven't murdered anyone or don't even own guns. Most Muslims aren't terrorists or would even think about committing an act of terror. People color have to commit no crimes to not be thought of criminals?
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So the StL Sheriff's Office who are investigating this case have not yet interviewed the guy who was with Michael Brown when he got shot. The shooting happened two and a half days ago. Isn't there a very successful television show based on solving homicides within the first 48 hours? You think this would have happened if a black boy shot a white man and there was an eye witness asking to be interviewed?
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
i don't think i was very clear. i was agreeing that society as a whole, including black society does not value a black life, particularly a young black life. black youths are something like %400 more likely to be the victim of a homicide than other races. you don't think that if young black kids stopped (or slowed down) on killing each other, that maybe the whole "thuggy gangbanger" stereotype might die down too? it's obviously more complicated than that, but if islamic fundamentalists would stop stoning people and cutting heads off and crap, the world might not view arabs as savages.
to your second point, maybe not rapey, but men, and white men in particular are judged very quickly as being pedophiles. males are running away from elementary (and secondary) teaching for fear of being judged as a pedophile. i imagine in your line of work you've felt some of the same pressure.
Seven, most black men haven't murdered anyone or don't even own guns. Most Muslims aren't terrorists or would even think about committing an act of terror. People color have to commit no crimes to not be thought of criminals?
most male teachers have never molested a kid. i'm not sure what your point is here. i think you're confusing my personal opinion of people of color when we were both talking about society as a whole? you said it yourself, black people shoot at each other like popcans on a post. weird that you didn't feel the need to qualify your own statement with (but not most black people), but my statements need talking down to. the thug stereotype exists for a reason, however unfair you may feel that is. throwing your hands up and saying "well we don't make the rules!" is a cop out. obviously this problem (the value of black life in america) is not solely on the shoulders of black people, but i don't know how you can get white america to care (qualifier just for mir, lots of white people do care) until black america starts to first (qualifier just for mir, lots of black people do care).
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So the StL Sheriff's Office who are investigating this case have not yet interviewed the guy who was with Michael Brown when he got shot. The shooting happened two and a half days ago. Isn't there a very successful television show based on solving homicides within the first 48 hours? You think this would have happened if a black boy shot a white man and there was an eye witness asking to be interviewed?
probably, if the black boy was a cop and the white man was some guy that wasn't popular/successful/wealthy and fought the black police officer (i don't really know the whole story and whether or not this kid actually fought with the cop)
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I initially wanted to wait for an investigation before making up my mind here, but I no longer trust that city to conduct a legitimate investigation. They couldn't be handling this more poorly.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "you're one of the good ones" as if that's a compliment.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
MIR makes a great point here about the type of black people that a majority of non-blacks encounter on a daily basis. As far as the "you're one of the good ones," as bad it may seem there is truth to that, but it's misguided. The truth is, that a majority of people are just like us (by us I don't mean white people, i mean people. Like, your average poster on this board. We work, go to school, drink beer, watch sports and try not to cause too many problems.
If we're going to put people into groups, as an incident like this kind of forces us (again, people) to do, then we have to realize the truth of the matter. Where "one of the good ones" is misguided, is that in truth most people, black, white, hispanic, or otherwise are the good ones. Are there differences between working-class folks, and professionals, or whatever sure, but for the most part we're all pretty similar. The problem is that media, popular culture, etc. make it very easy for those who don't want to look critically to assume that hoodrat, for lack of a better term is the norm. That sucks.
I think the point seven is making -- and correct me if I'm misspeaking --is that for other people to better understand that, black people need to take it upon themselves to be the torch-bearers in such an endeavor. The behaviors that, wrongly, give the whole of black people a bad name to the ignorant should be ostracized, as should the behaviors of anyone of any race or culture that goes against what "the good ones" of people in general do.
It shouldn't have to be that way. It really shouldn't, but I can't do it. Non-blacks can't do it. If they do then they're racist. Really, no one should have to do it.
Finally, MIR, by saying "one of the good ones" or that we're all pretty much the same, I'm not saying that I have lived with many if any of the situations you've experienced by being a black man.
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Also, that last post has nothing to do what this cop did, which from what I gather, no matter what the kid did or did not do to provoke him, was pure murder.
Edit to add: That it really is sickening to witness the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality of militarized police forces, especially in predominantly underprivileged, mostly minority areas in many cities' urban core.
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Go Reds!
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hard to tell if red or orange. maybe go chicago.
Was going to make a Wine-Wednesday joke, but it's not Wednesday.
I was going to post this like 20 minutes ago, but forgot.
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Also, that last post has nothing to do what this cop did, which from what I gather, no matter what the kid did or did not do to provoke him, was pure murder.
yeah. the discussion really could go in a separate (but equal) thread.
just a little levity ;)
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "you're one of the good ones" as if that's a compliment.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
MIR makes a great point here about the type of black people that a majority of non-blacks encounter on a daily basis. As far as the "you're one of the good ones," as bad it may seem there is truth to that, but it's misguided. The truth is, that a majority of people are just like us (by us I don't mean white people, i mean people. Like, your average poster on this board. We work, go to school, drink beer, watch sports and try not to cause too many problems.
If we're going to put people into groups, as an incident like this kind of forces us (again, people) to do, then we have to realize the truth of the matter. Where "one of the good ones" is misguided, is that in truth most people, black, white, hispanic, or otherwise are the good ones. Are there differences between working-class folks, and professionals, or whatever sure, but for the most part we're all pretty similar. The problem is that media, popular culture, etc. make it very easy for those who don't want to look critically to assume that hoodrat, for lack of a better term is the norm. That sucks.
I think the point seven is making -- and correct me if I'm misspeaking --is that for other people to better understand that, black people need to take it upon themselves to be the torch-bearers in such an endeavor. The behaviors that, wrongly, give the whole of black people a bad name to the ignorant should be ostracized, as should the behaviors of anyone of any race or culture that goes against what "the good ones" of people in general do.
It shouldn't have to be that way. It really shouldn't, but I can't do it. Non-blacks can't do it. If they do then they're racist. Really, no one should have to do it.
Finally, MIR, by saying "one of the good ones" or that we're all pretty much the same, I'm not saying that I have lived with many if any of the situations you've experienced by being a black man.
Take race away from the disscussion, are there groups, organiztions, countries etc. that are
overwhelmingly popular and well thought of in this world that self police in an effort to preserve
there reputation?
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BTW, this is the first time I've really taken the time to watch the media's take on all of this. A 45 second story on the local news here and there, no Major network news broadcast, which is a shame. But tonight I've spent at least an hour watching between MSNBC and FOXnews. <-- woof, to both.
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A former (or maybe current) cop who is a facebook friend posted this (the words are his, only the image was shared):
And local reports say not a single pair of work boots were looted, just flat screens and chrome rims...
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/p403x403/10410594_4572776735518_502109103512963751_n.jpg)
:frown:
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
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A former (or maybe current) cop who is a facebook friend posted this (the words are his, only the image was shared):
And local reports say not a single pair of work boots were looted, just flat screens and chrome rims...
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/p403x403/10410594_4572776735518_502109103512963751_n.jpg)
:frown:
That doesn't sound like a very believable story
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
quit trolling the pit, bayareacat
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
I get (and agree with) your point, but would you call a white majority riot of similar scale just" foolish"?
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
:lol:
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
I get (and agree with) your point, but would you call a white majority riot of similar scale just" foolish"?
Probably. I think a good comparison would be Occupy Oakland protesters that got out of hand. I may call them knuckleheads instead.
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Oof
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
No, the answer is that you automatically assumed that the looters are 100% black, which seems pretty raaaacist if you ask me. Also lol at describing the looting as "foolish." Not that I can prove it or that you'd believe me, but I've previously referred to George Tiller as a monster and an animal - the same as Gosnell - and I've used the same terminology for that white murderer who raped and buried alive the little girl in Florida while clutching her pink elephant. But good job on the race baiting - you've really advanced the narrative.
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
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Did you add 4 A's so that it would sound like the black kid watermelon "dats waycist" gif if it were to have sound?
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
No, the answer is that you automatically assumed that the looters are 100% black, which seems pretty raaaacist if you ask me.
:lol:
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
Yes, pretty idiotic
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
No, the answer is that you automatically assumed that the looters are 100% black, which seems pretty raaaacist if you ask me. Also lol at describing the looting as "foolish." Not that I can prove it or that you'd believe me, but I've previously referred to George Tiller as a monster and an animal - the same as Gosnell - and I've used the same terminology for that white murderer who raped and buried alive the little girl in Florida while clutching her pink elephant. But good job on the race baiting - you've really advanced the narrative.
So the rioters are as bad as child murderer/rapists in your mind?
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
Yes, pretty idiotic
for the last time guys, the sink wasn't broken intentionally.
it was an accident :curse:
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Did you add 4 A's so that it would sound like the black kid watermelon "dats waycist" gif if it were to have sound?
Doesn't have an elongated a tho
http://youtu.be/AdSYhwLENvM
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
Yes, pretty idiotic
for the last time guys, the sink wasn't broken intentionally.
it was an accident :curse:
You're an animal
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
Yes, pretty idiotic
for the last time guys, the sink wasn't broken intentionally.
it was an accident :curse:
What an idiot
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Do the majority of the looters live in the neighborhood they're looting? Very dumb if so.
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We have different thresholds then. Breaking a bramledge sink is foolish, large scale rioting and burning businesses goes beyond foolish (imho)
That's fair. Idiotic good enough?
Yes, pretty idiotic
for the last time guys, the sink wasn't broken intentionally.
it was an accident :curse:
What an idiot
for the record i was only a witness to it. a good 15 feet, okay maybe 10, from the scene of the accident
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It's pretty interesting to see how comfortable some people are with making judgements on events rooted in feelings they could never understand. Whereas a little self-awareness would help you understand how you kinda sound like an bad person. Unless you are a robot or something. Beep boop.
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It sure didn't take long for some to make excuses as to why this kid was shot.
"Saint Louis area cop from police department with a documented history of racism shoots and kills unarmed black teen."
"Well I heard that the so called teen was a really big man and someone said he was standing in the way of the cop car trying to go somewhere?"
"Well couldn't the cop have used a tazer or pepper spray or something?"
"Didn't you hear me say he was a big black man, what if the tazer didn't work, what if he had a gun? The officer couldn't risk any of that, that boy was dangerous. Oh did I mention they are looting now, they never learn."
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
This shooting was more justified than the Martin shooting.
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
Fact.
We is everyone, the western world as a collective. Black people too, we shoot each other like rough ridin' pop cans on a post because a black life doesn't have equal value. This has nothing to do with outrage. If I posted a video on YouTube of me shooting a baby raccoon there would be plenty of outrage.
was just about to post something similar to this. it sounds simplistic, but the problem needs to be addressed between blacks themselves before "white america" will correct itself.
This is nowhere close my point, like way way way off. There isn't a damn thing black people can do to make white people do anything they don't want to do. Black men are like 8% of the population of the western world, we don't set societal rules. I've spent most of my life in Western Kansas, Northern New England, and Central Iowa; most people I come across have most of their interactions with black people with black men like me, that doesn't stop some (most?) of them thinking all black people are thuggish, rapey, gang bangers.
Most white girls and women are raped by white men, we don't look at white men as rapey, nor should we.
i don't think i was very clear. i was agreeing that society as a whole, including black society does not value a black life, particularly a young black life. black youths are something like %400 more likely to be the victim of a homicide than other races. you don't think that if young black kids stopped (or slowed down) on killing each other, that maybe the whole "thuggy gangbanger" stereotype might die down too? it's obviously more complicated than that, but if islamic fundamentalists would stop stoning people and cutting heads off and crap, the world might not view arabs as savages.
to your second point, maybe not rapey, but men, and white men in particular are judged very quickly as being pedophiles. males are running away from elementary (and secondary) teaching for fear of being judged as a pedophile. i imagine in your line of work you've felt some of the same pressure.
Seven, most black men haven't murdered anyone or don't even own guns. Most Muslims aren't terrorists or would even think about committing an act of terror. People color have to commit no crimes to not be thought of criminals?
most male teachers have never molested a kid. i'm not sure what your point is here. i think you're confusing my personal opinion of people of color when we were both talking about society as a whole? you said it yourself, black people shoot at each other like popcans on a post. weird that you didn't feel the need to qualify your own statement with (but not most black people), but my statements need talking down to. the thug stereotype exists for a reason, however unfair you may feel that is. throwing your hands up and saying "well we don't make the rules!" is a cop out. obviously this problem (the value of black life in america) is not solely on the shoulders of black people, but i don't know how you can get white america to care (qualifier just for mir, lots of white people do care) until black america starts to first (qualifier just for mir, lots of black people do care).
You have to stop having conversations and reading things into the replies, can you read what I'm saying without making inferences? None of my posts take your personal thoughts or feelings into account. You stated a widely held belief that people of color have some control over how they are widely viewed and I simply countered that point by stating that most black people don't fit the image that society have given us. No there is nothing black people can do to solve this. Fear of black people didn't start in the 1980's LA, the fear of black men goes back to the freeing of slaves, crips and bloods didn't exist then.
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It sure didn't take long for some to make excuses as to why this kid was shot.
"Saint Louis area cop from police department with a documented history of racism shoots and kills unarmed black teen."
"Well I heard that the so called teen was a really big man and someone said he was standing in the way of the cop car trying to go somewhere?"
"Well couldn't the cop have used a tazer or pepper spray or something?"
"Didn't you hear me say he was a big black man, what if the tazer didn't work, what if he had a gun? The officer couldn't risk any of that, that boy was dangerous. Oh did I mention they are looting now, they never learn."
I didn't make any of those excuses and, in fact, said that the initial facts do not justify the shooting. I simply pointed out that some (including you, apparently) are ignoring the fact that the guy put himself in a very bad situation by attacking a cop.
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
No, the answer is that you automatically assumed that the looters are 100% black, which seems pretty raaaacist if you ask me. Also lol at describing the looting as "foolish." Not that I can prove it or that you'd believe me, but I've previously referred to George Tiller as a monster and an animal - the same as Gosnell - and I've used the same terminology for that white murderer who raped and buried alive the little girl in Florida while clutching her pink elephant. But good job on the race baiting - you've really advanced the narrative.
So the rioters are as bad as child murderer/rapists in your mind?
From a pure evil standpoint, of course not. From a breakdown of society standpoint, absolutely. These looters have abandoned the restraints we impose upon ourselves to have a civilized society in favor of their baser slash/burn/steal animal impulses. Which is why I call them animals. Because they are, or they're at least behaving that way while looting.
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It's pretty interesting to see how comfortable some people are with making judgements on events rooted in feelings they could never understand. Whereas a little self-awareness would help you understand how you kinda sound like an bad person. Unless you are a robot or something. Beep boop.
Beep boop. Claiming that the looting is an emotional reaction to the shooting is pretty stupid in my opinion. Beep boop.
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It sure didn't take long for some to make excuses as to why this kid was shot.
"Saint Louis area cop from police department with a documented history of racism shoots and kills unarmed black teen."
"Well I heard that the so called teen was a really big man and someone said he was standing in the way of the cop car trying to go somewhere?"
"Well couldn't the cop have used a tazer or pepper spray or something?"
"Didn't you hear me say he was a big black man, what if the tazer didn't work, what if he had a gun? The officer couldn't risk any of that, that boy was dangerous. Oh did I mention they are looting now, they never learn."
I didn't make any of those excuses and, in fact, said that the initial facts do not justify the shooting. I simply pointed out that some (including you, apparently) are ignoring the fact that the guy put himself in a very bad situation by attacking a cop.
Eye witnesses said he didn't attack anyone and was shot in the back, we're ignoring that?
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
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It sure didn't take long for some to make excuses as to why this kid was shot.
"Saint Louis area cop from police department with a documented history of racism shoots and kills unarmed black teen."
"Well I heard that the so called teen was a really big man and someone said he was standing in the way of the cop car trying to go somewhere?"
"Well couldn't the cop have used a tazer or pepper spray or something?"
"Didn't you hear me say he was a big black man, what if the tazer didn't work, what if he had a gun? The officer couldn't risk any of that, that boy was dangerous. Oh did I mention they are looting now, they never learn."
I didn't make any of those excuses and, in fact, said that the initial facts do not justify the shooting. I simply pointed out that some (including you, apparently) are ignoring the fact that the guy put himself in a very bad situation by attacking a cop.
Eye witnesses said he didn't attack anyone and was shot in the back, we're ignoring that?
I'm not ignoring that he may have been shot in the back. That's what I've read, too, and that's why I question whether the shooting was justified. All the media reports I've read also indicate that Brown attacked the officer. I'm skeptical that the officer just decided to gun down a black guy totally unprovoked. You should be, too.
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
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I would have taken the tacquito rollers and had my friends take every box of tacquitos.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
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I would have taken the tacquito rollers and had my friends take every box of tacquitos.
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I would have tried to make my own personal panini. Maybe a pretzel w cheese. Definitely beer.
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Comparing this shooting to that of Treyvon Martin is an emotional reaction that doesn't seem to be based in fact and is somewhat ironic considering the weight of the evidence in the TM case pointed to a justifiable shooting, whereas the initial facts here do not.
And, while I'll repeat that the initial facts do not support this shooting, can we please drop the "blacks are being hunted in the streets" bullshit? This started with the guy attacking the cop. That alone doesn't justify the shooting but let's not pretend that he didn't put himself in a bad situation (hey, on that point, it is a good comparison to TM). Pro tip - black or white, don't pick fights, especially with cops.
Finally, as others have noted , it's not fair to equate the looters with the ones seeking justice. The looters are opportunistic animals who probably don't give a crap about this shooting.
Do you ever call white people who do foolish things "animals"?
Did you just make the assumption that all the looters here were black or otherwise non-white? I have no idea what the racial composition was, and I use the term animal without respect to race. The label fits the conduct. Stop tossing around accusations of racism.
So the answer is no?
No, the answer is that you automatically assumed that the looters are 100% black, which seems pretty raaaacist if you ask me. Also lol at describing the looting as "foolish." Not that I can prove it or that you'd believe me, but I've previously referred to George Tiller as a monster and an animal - the same as Gosnell - and I've used the same terminology for that white murderer who raped and buried alive the little girl in Florida while clutching her pink elephant. But good job on the race baiting - you've really advanced the narrative.
So the rioters are as bad as child murderer/rapists in your mind?
From a pure evil standpoint, of course not. From a breakdown of society standpoint, absolutely. These looters have abandoned the restraints we impose upon ourselves to have a civilized society in favor of their baser slash/burn/steal animal impulses. Which is why I call them animals. Because they are, or they're at least behaving that way while looting.
Considering how KSU comes off as a middle aged EMAW, it would be quite special if he participated in the Aggieville riots of the 80s.
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
Animals tearing down goalposts
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
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Clearly the victim here is the black race, not the dead kid or the merchant's whose businesses were destroyed.
Thanks for the levity
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It makes me sad to think they would burn down a QT when there isn't one within 200 miles of me. :frown:
Some people don't realize how good they have it.
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
Well, that's interesting! I guess what I was trying to get at is that plenty of riots happen when lots of people are super angry about something. That is to say that they wouldn't have happened otherwise. Why do the thoughts, intentions, or lack thereof of the rioters matter in these cases? They seem to me to be more side effects than causes.
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
LA Lakers NBA Champy?
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
Well, that's interesting! I guess what I was trying to get at is that plenty of riots happen when lots of people are super angry about something. That is to say that they wouldn't have happened otherwise. Why do the thoughts, intentions, or lack thereof of the rioters matter in these cases? They seem to me to be more side effects than causes.
People don't just decide "Man, I'm really pissed about this and you know what will make me feel better? Stealing a new pair of Air Jordans." Looters take advantage of disruptive events - for example, a hurricane or protest crowds assembling in response to a racially-charged issues - and the diversion of law enforcement resources to manage those events, to start looting. They then hide behind the guise of "I'm just so hurt and angry about police oppression that I gotta steal some stuff!" as an excuse for their lawless thuggery. To be fair to the looters, though, most of them aren't actually saying this - the media paints the narrative for them.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
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Clearly the victim here is the black race, not the dead kid or the merchant's whose businesses were destroyed.
Thanks for the levity
I think the martial law discussion is pretty important. It's much more concerning than a looted Quiktrip. (Granted, they're related)
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I am assuming the delay here is that the police are doing some sort of internal investigation on the shooting, or are they just trying to make sure their stories all match up and have enough vagueness built in before coming forward with any real proclamation?
Also, how do these guys not have dash or on-person cams? KMBZ radio had a stat this morning from a study done on such cams. They said that incidents where excess of force was used by officers went down 50% over a one year period when cams were introduced. First that means, get the rough ridin' cams, but second that means that cops have a work culture problem. Perhaps new regulations/requirements on who can be hired and what training they need?
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
Well, that's interesting! I guess what I was trying to get at is that plenty of riots happen when lots of people are super angry about something. That is to say that they wouldn't have happened otherwise. Why do the thoughts, intentions, or lack thereof of the rioters matter in these cases? They seem to me to be more side effects than causes.
People don't just decide "Man, I'm really pissed about this and you know what will make me feel better? Stealing a new pair of Air Jordans." Looters take advantage of disruptive events - for example, a hurricane or protest crowds assembling in response to a racially-charged issues - and the diversion of law enforcement resources to manage those events, to start looting. They then hide behind the guise of "I'm just so hurt and angry about police oppression that I gotta steal some stuff!" as an excuse for their lawless thuggery. To be fair to the looters, though, most of them aren't actually saying this - the media paints the narrative for them.
Would you say that no riots have been caused by angry people, only opportunists? Do you think that every time there is a disruptive event, there is also a riot? Why do you care about correctly classifying the intentions of the rioters?
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
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Would you say that no riots have been caused by angry people, only opportunists?
You've substituted "riot" for "looting" - I'm not sure if there's a reason for that or if you mean the same thing, but I'll take it to mean looting. In answer to your question, I have no idea. Never say never, I suppose.
Do you think that every time there is a disruptive event, there is also a riot?
Of course not. What's your point?
Why do you care about correctly classifying the intentions of the rioters?
I think it's important to correctly identify the intentions of the looters because attributing the looting to the Brown shooting (1) is making excuses for lawless behaviour, and (2) unfairly tarnishes the lawful protests.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
Yes, this question seems designed to differentiate the alphas and the betas.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
Yes, this question seems designed to differentiate the alphas and the betas.
Is "ransacking a gas station" more or less reckless or irresponsible than driving while drunk? (Not saying drunk driving is a peer pressure thing, but a poor decision making thing.)
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Would you say that no riots have been caused by angry people, only opportunists?
You've substituted "riot" for "looting" - I'm not sure if there's a reason for that or if you mean the same thing, but I'll take it to mean looting. In answer to your question, I have no idea. Never say never, I suppose.
Actually, it looks like you responded to my post about rioting with talk about looting. Why should we exclude things like vandalism or assault?
Do you think that every time there is a disruptive event, there is also a riot?
Of course not. What's your point?
I was wondering about your theory that disruptive events cause people to riot. Do you think that every riot is caused by a disruptive event? At what frequency do you think disruptive events cause riots? What sorts of things account for the difference between situations in which there are both disruptive events and riots and situations in which there are disruptive events but no riots?
Why do you care about correctly classifying the intentions of the rioters?
I think it's important to correctly identify the intentions of the looters because attributing the looting to the Brown shooting (1) is making excuses for lawless behaviour, and (2) unfairly tarnishes the lawful protests.
Why not just say that there is no excuse for lawless behavior?
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Clearly the victim here is the black race, not the dead kid or the merchant's whose businesses were destroyed.
Thanks for the levity
I think the martial law discussion is pretty important. It's much more concerning than a looted Quiktrip. (Granted, they're related)
Yeah, that and the relationship between black people, particularly underprivileged, urban black people and police are the biggest issues here. There isn't much to debate about in terms of the actual shooting. And to that end, the protesting, vigils, and to some extent the rioting have been effective in getting people talking about these things.
We'll see how far it goes.
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
It's not dumb at all.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
Yes, this question seems designed to differentiate the alphas and the betas.
Is "ransacking a gas station" more or less reckless or irresponsible than driving while drunk? (Not saying drunk driving is a peer pressure thing, but a poor decision making thing.)
It is far more reckless and irresponsible than driving while drunk.
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
Yes, this question seems designed to differentiate the alphas and the betas.
Is "ransacking a gas station" more or less reckless or irresponsible than driving while drunk? (Not saying drunk driving is a peer pressure thing, but a poor decision making thing.)
It is far more reckless and irresponsible than driving while drunk.
How so?
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I'm reasonably sure that if I was a teenager growing up in the area and all my buds were looting, I would have joined right in, regardless of how I felt about the shooting. Teenagers are really stupid, and by stupid I mean their brains aren't fully developed and don't properly assess risk.
I probably would have stayed home and found new friends.
That's very easy to say.
It's also very easy to do. I can say with 100% confidence that I wouldn't have helped to ransack a gas station and then set it on fire just because some of my friends were doing it.
Yes, this question seems designed to differentiate the alphas and the betas.
Is "ransacking a gas station" more or less reckless or irresponsible than driving while drunk? (Not saying drunk driving is a peer pressure thing, but a poor decision making thing.)
It is far more reckless and irresponsible than driving while drunk.
How so?
When you drive drunk, odds are you will get home just fine and nobody will be hurt. When you decide to go rob a gas station and light it on fire on your way out, there is a 100% chance that somebody is going to be damaged.
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If I have a friend who has too much to drink and drives home, I just hope to myself that he gets home ok and doesn't kill anyone. Then the next day I call him and tell him he's an idiot and to take a cab.
If I have a friend who robs a gas station and lights it on fire, I turn him in to the police and never speak to him again.
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Why the hell are you guys arguing over stupid trivialities right now?
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Why the hell are you guys arguing over stupid trivialities right now?
It's Michigancat, so there are 500+ minor semi-related details that can affect the outcome.
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If I have a friend who has too much to drink and drives home, I just hope to myself that he gets home ok and doesn't kill anyone. Then the next day I call him and tell him he's an idiot and to take a cab.
If I have a friend who robs a gas station and lights it on fire, I turn him in to the police and never speak to him again.
I think there's a clear distinction between "robbing a gas station and lighting it on fire" solo and being a part of a young, angry mob.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mob-mentality-changes-human-brain-say-scientists-1452657
http://psychcentral.com/news/2008/02/15/herd-mentality-explained/1922.html
I would also argue that other than the fire starters, there was little risk of anyone getting killed in the riots - a single participant definitely created less of a death risk (for themselves and others) than a drunk driver.
Why the hell are you guys arguing over stupid trivialities right now?
I think it's important to understand herd or mob mentality when judging those who participated in the riots/looting/burning down gas stations. It's not an excuse, I just think most people who grew up in the situation those kids grew up in would have acted in the same way. Both alphas and betas. Maybe it's not important.
What should we talk about, nicname?
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Why the hell are you guys arguing over stupid trivialities right now?
I think it's important to understand herd or mob mentality when judging those who participated in the riots/looting/burning down gas stations. It's not an excuse, I just think most people who grew up in the situation those kids grew up in would have acted in the same way. Both alphas and betas. Maybe it's not important.
What should we talk about, nicname?
I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
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Looting is not reckless, it is criminal. There's a huge difference between being a negligent moron and an arsonist thief.
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I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
How people look at the Ferguson mobs vs. kids tearing down goalposts or burning couches or drunk drivers is a pretty big picture discussion IMO.
I've heard the story of KSU fans tear down KU's goalposts many times here and elsewhere, but I've never heard anyone refer to them as "animals" or feel the need to claim they wouldn't have participated had they been there, despite the guarantee of destruction of property and disregard for the law.
And I honestly don't think the folks in Ferguson are all acting that different from those K-state fans - they're just in different situations and are mostly black.
So I guess that's why I think it's a worthy discussion.
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
It's not dumb at all.
I bet it is.
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I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
How people look at the Ferguson mobs vs. kids tearing down goalposts or burning couches or drunk drivers is a pretty big picture discussion IMO.
I've heard the story of KSU fans tear down KU's goalposts many times here and elsewhere, but I've never heard anyone refer to them as "animals" or feel the need to claim they wouldn't have participated had they been there, despite the guarantee of destruction of property and disregard for the law.
And I honestly don't think the folks in Ferguson are all acting that different from those K-state fans - they're just in different situations and are mostly black.
So I guess that's why I think it's a worthy discussion.
You've got to be kidding.
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The rose bowl parade and a mob are basically the same thing. The only different is the parade is mostly white people littering the streets with confetti and the mob is black people robbing and torching a gas station. Littering and robbery/arson are both crimes, ya know.
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I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
How people look at the Ferguson mobs vs. kids tearing down goalposts or burning couches or drunk drivers is a pretty big picture discussion IMO.
I've heard the story of KSU fans tear down KU's goalposts many times here and elsewhere, but I've never heard anyone refer to them as "animals" or feel the need to claim they wouldn't have participated had they been there, despite the guarantee of destruction of property and disregard for the law.
And I honestly don't think the folks in Ferguson are all acting that different from those K-state fans - they're just in different situations and are mostly black.
So I guess that's why I think it's a worthy discussion.
Come on man.
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I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
How people look at the Ferguson mobs vs. kids tearing down goalposts or burning couches or drunk drivers is a pretty big picture discussion IMO.
I've heard the story of KSU fans tear down KU's goalposts many times here and elsewhere, but I've never heard anyone refer to them as "animals" or feel the need to claim they wouldn't have participated had they been there, despite the guarantee of destruction of property and disregard for the law.
And I honestly don't think the folks in Ferguson are all acting that different from those K-state fans - they're just in different situations and are mostly black.
So I guess that's why I think it's a worthy discussion.
Come on man.
Read the articles I linked about herd mentality.
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It's a valid point
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The defining element in determining the difference between celebration and rioting is definitely the racial composition of the crowd. What's the difference between the Ku Klux klan burning a cross in a yard and homeless black guys burning trash in a can for warmth? The homeless guys are viewed as criminals, that's what.
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
It's not dumb at all.
I bet it is.
You don't think that a heavily armed police force, with some members that take a use fear/ force first, ask questions later mentality to their job description has anything to do with this? You don't think that a large group of people wrongly or rightly believing that the police are not there to serve and protect them matters? You don't think that it is because of the actions of a small minority of that group, that police and public opinion of said group tends to lean towards the majority of said group falsely being like the majority? You don't think these things feed each other into a sickening, viscous circular pattern? You don't think any of that matters?
Yeah, it does matter. Because it is a big part of the reason this type of crap continues to happen.
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http://deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913
NSIAP
But yeah, people talking about a lot of non-pertinent crap here.
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Pertinent to what? Why isn't pertinentence to one's own intetests good enough?
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The defining element in determining the difference between celebration and rioting is definitely the racial composition of the crowd. What's the difference between the Ku Klux klan burning a cross in a yard and homeless black guys burning trash in a can for warmth? The homeless guys are viewed as criminals, that's what.
:lol:
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I think most on this board already understand that. McKee included. They're just being dickheads and derailing a discussion. As to your question, I think that this incident, like many things, is a great chance to look at it from a big picture perspective. My posts in this thread, I hope mirror that sentiment. Unfortunately for me, it seems I'm basically the only one who feels that way.
How people look at the Ferguson mobs vs. kids tearing down goalposts or burning couches or drunk drivers is a pretty big picture discussion IMO.
I've heard the story of KSU fans tear down KU's goalposts many times here and elsewhere, but I've never heard anyone refer to them as "animals" or feel the need to claim they wouldn't have participated had they been there, despite the guarantee of destruction of property and disregard for the law.
And I honestly don't think the folks in Ferguson are all acting that different from those K-state fans - they're just in different situations and are mostly black.
So I guess that's why I think it's a worthy discussion.
Great pit bbsn right here. :thumbs:
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Would you say that no riots have been caused by angry people, only opportunists?
You've substituted "riot" for "looting" - I'm not sure if there's a reason for that or if you mean the same thing, but I'll take it to mean looting. In answer to your question, I have no idea. Never say never, I suppose.
Actually, it looks like you responded to my post about rioting with talk about looting. Why should we exclude things like vandalism or assault?
I responded about looting because looting is all I've been talking about.
Do you think that every time there is a disruptive event, there is also a riot?
Of course not. What's your point?
I was wondering about your theory that disruptive events cause people to riot. Do you think that every riot is caused by a disruptive event? At what frequency do you think disruptive events cause riots? What sorts of things account for the difference between situations in which there are both disruptive events and riots and situations in which there are disruptive events but no riots?
it's not my theory that disruptive events cause people to loot. I said that looters take advantage of disruptive events.
Why do you care about correctly classifying the intentions of the rioters?
I think it's important to correctly identify the intentions of the looters because attributing the looting to the Brown shooting (1) is making excuses for lawless behaviour, and (2) unfairly tarnishes the lawful protests.
Why not just say that there is no excuse for lawless behavior?
There is no excuse for lawless behavior.
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http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5998591/hands-up-dont-shoot-photos-ferguson-michael-brown?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=wednesday
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I've never heard of a riot that isn't started out of anger. Or of one that was purely the result of a single incident.
Sports Riots
Well, that's interesting! I guess what I was trying to get at is that plenty of riots happen when lots of people are super angry about something. That is to say that they wouldn't have happened otherwise. Why do the thoughts, intentions, or lack thereof of the rioters matter in these cases? They seem to me to be more side effects than causes.
People don't just decide "Man, I'm really pissed about this and you know what will make me feel better? Stealing a new pair of Air Jordans." Looters take advantage of disruptive events - for example, a hurricane or protest crowds assembling in response to a racially-charged issues - and the diversion of law enforcement resources to manage those events, to start looting. They then hide behind the guise of "I'm just so hurt and angry about police oppression that I gotta steal some stuff!" as an excuse for their lawless thuggery. To be fair to the looters, though, most of them aren't actually saying this - the media paints the narrative for them.
"looters" aren't going into stores to get tv's when the cops aren't looking so they can watch The Bachelor at home on their bunny ears, they loot because they feel powerless. It's no coincidence that looting and riots occur mostly within areas that have been stripped of things that actually give them power - things like a job, decent wage, education. In the 1960's and 1970's the riots in the US occurred almost exclusively in areas of poverty, chronic joblessness, and little educational opportunities.
to look at a looter and judge his situation only by the merchandise in his hand and not the message in his act is idiotic.
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I responded about looting because looting is all I've been talking about.
Why are you excluding things like vandalism or assault? I wasn't.
it's not my theory that disruptive events cause people to loot. I said that looters take advantage of disruptive events.
That's a causal relationship. And a either an insignificant, weak theory or a significantly flawed one.
There is no excuse for lawless behavior.
See, you don't need to make all of those judgments, after all.
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Arresting journalists out here
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Police?
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You would think they would at least be wearing urban camo.
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lol at this ferguson police chief
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i cannot hear the name "ferguson" without giggling.
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Arresting journalists out here
Man, their twitter feeds. WTF
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It makes me sad to think they would burn down a QT when there isn't one within 200 miles of me. :frown:
Some people don't realize how good they have it.
Yes
(Beep boop, I am Steve Dave's robot beep boop.)
Gonna win 'em all!
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So was Brown shot in the back? Was he shot more than once?
Looting a QT is certainly wrong and illegal but so is shooting a man in the back because he is tall and black and won't obey your every command, even if you wear a badge.
Shutting down an entire neighborhood when the residents choose to assemble with a police force that looks like the 101st airborne is illegal.
Arrest the looters, those that choose to peaceably assemble are guaranteed that right. Unconditionally
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If a police officer shot anyone of you in the back, 8-9 times, I'd step up and demand accountability. If I didn't feel like that were going to happen, I'd engage my peers to force it to happen.
That's all in the constitution.
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
It's not dumb at all.
I bet it is.
You don't think that a heavily armed police force, with some members that take a use fear/ force first, ask questions later mentality to their job description has anything to do with this? You don't think that a large group of people wrongly or rightly believing that the police are not there to serve and protect them matters? You don't think that it is because of the actions of a small minority of that group, that police and public opinion of said group tends to lean towards the majority of said group falsely being like the majority? You don't think these things feed each other into a sickening, viscous circular pattern? You don't think any of that matters?
Yeah, it does matter. Because it is a big part of the reason this type of crap continues to happen.
You don't know what Martial Law is.
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The real reason people mob/loot/riot is because their fear of being caught is substantially diminished. That's it. Nothing else. They are criminals. It's a predatory a disposition.
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live cam lukes?
http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/?utm_content=buffer8cff3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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These opportunistic criminals aren't fooling anyone with their phony anger.
https://twitter.com/blackink12/status/499736574355968000
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http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
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http://youtu.be/25BBGnd-JkE
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
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http://youtu.be/25BBGnd-JkE
So every elected official in Missouri is just like "eff it". Seems like a lot of political opportunities are being missed.
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http://youtu.be/25BBGnd-JkE
"Who is too stupid to get into the army now?! Take that!"
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
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It seems like the police could do a lot more to stop these riots by putting the murderer in jail than they are going to do by putting on their army costumes and carrying big guns.
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It seems like the police could do a lot more to stop these riots by putting the murderer in jail than they are going to do by putting on their army costumes and carrying big guns.
Buy those people wrecked a QT. it's time to mount an assault
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
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So was Brown shot in the back? Was he shot more than once?
Looting a QT is certainly wrong and illegal but so is shooting a man in the back because he is tall and black and won't obey your every command, even if you wear a badge.
Shutting down an entire neighborhood when the residents choose to assemble with a police force that looks like the 101st airborne is illegal.
Arrest the looters, those that choose to peaceably assemble are guaranteed that right. Unconditionally
:thumbs:
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peaceful protest = crime
remember that is what the radical right says
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Haven't been following this thread. Is K-S-U-Wildcats just all up in here K-S-U-Wildcatting his brains out like in the Trayvon thread?
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A thought just occurred to me. The cops in this town claim that Brown tried to fight officer while he sat in the car and tried to take his gun. Was this cop wearing his gun on his head, shoulder, or his chest? How in the hell can Brown attempt to take his gun while the cop was in the car?
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A thought just occurred to me. The cops in this town claim that Brown tried to fight officer while he sat in the car and tried to take his gun. Was this cop wearing his gun on his head, shoulder, or his chest? How in the hell can Brown attempt to take his gun while the cop was in the car?
i think they (the police's story) are saying the door was open and they struggled before he could get out.
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So the LAPD shot and killed a mentally handicapped unarmed black man :whistle1:
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A thought just occurred to me. The cops in this town claim that Brown tried to fight officer while he sat in the car and tried to take his gun. Was this cop wearing his gun on his head, shoulder, or his chest? How in the hell can Brown attempt to take his gun while the cop was in the car?
I'm hoping that police are trained how to deal with someone trying to grab their holstered weapon and the training is "if the attacker doesnt currently have your weapon, stay in your car and call for back " not "chase that guy down, shoot him in the leg then finish him by emptying your weapon into his back"
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Why the eff do they have military grade equipment?
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Shouldn't be news to anybody. I was talking about the police state years ago
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well aren't you a trendy little hipster
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
says the white kid who had every advantage
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
Remember that time you blamed goEMAW for being a bad dad?
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
Totally, if you don't have a job you have no rights. Stud post
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
says the white kid who had every advantage
:lol:
I grew up poor and we were lucky to have 4 hot dogs to eat between us most of the nights when I was a kid. Should have just burned the rough ridin' town down in protest
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
jesus, you're a rough ridin' dumbass.
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
says the white kid who had every advantage
:lol:
I grew up poor and we were lucky to have 4 hot dogs to eat between us most of the nights when I was a kid. Should have just burned the rough ridin' town down in protest
It seemed to really humble you. :Ugh:
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I missed the Martial Law discussion. Sounds dumber than the everybody's (society included) racist discussion.
It's not dumb at all.
I bet it is.
You don't think that a heavily armed police force, with some members that take a use fear/ force first, ask questions later mentality to their job description has anything to do with this? You don't think that a large group of people wrongly or rightly believing that the police are not there to serve and protect them matters? You don't think that it is because of the actions of a small minority of that group, that police and public opinion of said group tends to lean towards the majority of said group falsely being like the majority? You don't think these things feed each other into a sickening, viscous circular pattern? You don't think any of that matters?
Yeah, it does matter. Because it is a big part of the reason this type of crap continues to happen.
You don't know what Martial Law is.
You can make whatever assumptions you want about what I do or don't know. A systematic presence of police as enforcers in a given area is not the same thing as using a beefed up force in times of emergency. Unless, of course, you think that these areas are in a constant state of emergency.
We have what seems to have become a mutually adversarial relationship between the police two groups of people that has been brought on by the actions of a minority sub-group within each. The dilemma is how to correct that.
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well aren't you a trendy little hipster
Basically
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Can somebody do a tl;dr on this thing? I know a cop shot a kid, protest, burned down a QT :shakesfist:, but now, WTF is going on? Are cops there under the guise of "protect property", etc?
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
says the white kid who had every advantage
:lol:
I grew up poor and we were lucky to have 4 hot dogs to eat between us most of the nights when I was a kid. Should have just burned the rough ridin' town down in protest
wow, your parents must have been deadbeats to have kids and choose to take it easy and stuff.
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Seems like with all these protests there is going to be a lot of people missing work...oh, wait
jesus, you're a rough ridin' dumbass.
Oh get off your horse and shut the eff up. If it was a bunch of 'necks in Carolina protesting some hillbilly getting shot for having moonshine it would still apply. No rough ridin' point of burning down your own neighborhood or getting arrested or shot just because you want to be a dumbass
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Two LOLable reports from Ferguson.
1. This afternoon Ryan Reilly a white reporter from the Huffington Post and Wesley Lowery a black reporter from the Washington Post were working in a McDonald's when Ferguson cops came in riot gear and told them to leave because the area was unsafe. They apparently didn't leave fast enough for the cops so they were attested. Reilly said his head was slammed on the car after his arrest and Lowery said he was told he was resisting and slammed against the soda machine. They were taken to jail. A reporter for the LA Times called the chief of police for Ferguson and told him that the officers just arrested two journalists and the guys were quickly released. Reilly was given an arrest report number but was told no report would be filed.
2. Elizabeth Matthews of KSDK out of St. Louis reported that right before their 10PM news the Ferguson cops shot a tear gas canister at an Al Jeezera TV truck. Her and the two cameramen heard the sound and left their truck to see what was happening, at that point she saw cops in riot gear guns drawn walking towards them. She said put her hands up but one of their tripods was hit with a fired bean bag. She said there were no protesters at their location and the riot cops yelled at them that this is for their own protection.
I thought there were only like 60 cops in Ferguson, are these just the same dozen bad person cops rough ridin' with everyone? If the whole force is like this perhaps the chief should be charged as well when the cop who started this gets his federal charges.
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Can somebody do a tl;dr on this thing? I know a cop shot a kid, protest, burned down a QT :shakesfist:, but now, WTF is going on? Are cops there under the guise of "protect property", etc?
this is as of today
-two Washington Post reporters get arrested for the crime of illegally assembling in mcdonalds and further breaking the law by ordering mccafes
-ferguson people (mostly black) protest (mostly) peacefully
-STLPD responds with a complete media blackout and orders people to turn off cameras as they kettle protesters in a residential area
-STLPD uses ear-splitting crowd control devices in a neighborhood, fires rubber bullets, tear gas, smoke grenades onto people's lawns
-most updates are now coming through social media and police scanner activity
-multiple councilmembers/aldermen reportedly arrested
-d scott just ordered a roast beef sandwich, tweet imminent
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If it was a bunch of 'necks in Carolina protesting some hillbilly getting shot
Cops would send out maybe 2-3 "community outreach" officers and wish the protesters a nice day
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Why the eff do they have military grade equipment?
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It's disgusting. Also sickening is that we continuously see pics like this, but not ...
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Can somebody do a tl;dr on this thing? I know a cop shot a kid, protest, burned down a QT :shakesfist:, but now, WTF is going on? Are cops there under the guise of "protect property", etc?
this is as of today
-two Washington Post reporters get arrested for the crime of illegally assembling in mcdonalds and further breaking the law by ordering mccafes
-ferguson people (mostly black) protest (mostly) peacefully
-STLPD responds with a complete media blackout and orders people to turn off cameras as they kettle protesters in a residential area
-STLPD uses ear-splitting crowd control devices in a neighborhood, fires rubber bullets, tear gas, smoke grenades onto people's lawns
-most updates are now coming through social media and police scanner activity
-multiple councilmembers/aldermen reportedly arrested
-d scott just ordered a roast beef sandwich, tweet imminent
Thanks....so there has been no reason given for the PD show of force? One night of rioting causing them to show up like this? I've been trying to pick it up via tweets but seems pretty one sided....got to be another side to it that I'm not picking up...right??????
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Why the eff do they have military grade equipment?
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Their answer would be "the criminals do"....the LA bank heist a while back was one of the big ones where the cops were outgunned.....not that it applies here, but that would be their answer I bet.
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Thanks....so there has been no reason given for the PD show of force?
Well when the police chief was contacted about the two WaPo reporters getting arrested he said "Oh God :facepalm:" so that should probably tell you how well things are being managed right now.
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that these cops shouldn't be so heavily armed. Are you and pike making the argument if all the protesters had better weapons the cops wouldn't be trying to suppress them? Because gun control has historically been used to suppress the public?
And this is a very political thread. So what.
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There is some quality Nate Silver douchey tweet backlash going on.
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
This is so simple, and it's a dumb point. Do you guys think this situation would be any better if these protesters had guns? Did you not see the video of protesters who were holding photos of Michael Brown that had a rough ridin' tank pointed at them? What do you think the reaction would be if the 50 year old women holding photos were replaced with Black Panthers legally packing heat? We would have a whole lot of dead black panthers.
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that these cops shouldn't be so heavily armed. Are you and pike making the argument if all the protesters had better weapons the cops wouldn't be trying to suppress them? Because gun control has historically been used to suppress the public?
And this is a very political thread. So what.
If other want to make it political that's fine. I've just tried to avoid it.
As far as gun control, it's just pointing out what a government force can do to a public with no real means of defense against them. That's a tangent though. I think a more important question is why were the vigils, assemblies, etc. met with riot gear? At least from what I've heard that is how it went down. I wasn't there. Maybe the people were riotous from the beginning. :dunno:
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
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Not my point...sorry if I was being unclear. I intended to be a tongue and cheek with that obsevation.
Buy yeah I'm definitely team #fuckthepolice
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
i'm pretty sure #life and FSD are on team be afraid of the scary black people but otherwise we have consensus
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
Terrifying. It looks like they're ready to invade Afghanistan but they're in the suburbs of St Louis rough ridin' Missouri
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people that complain about cops are dumb. being a cop would suck, we should be thanking them.
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that kim carnes is a Chingon-built scraper that analyzes gE consensus and then immediately plays devil's advocate. Oh, that crafty Chingon! That's why you're our friend.
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that kim carnes is a Chingon-built scraper that analyzes gE consensus and then immediately plays devil's advocate. Oh, that crafty Chingon! That's why you're our friend.
i can see why you would think that but chingon and i are sworn enemies
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
This is so simple, and it's a dumb point. Do you guys think this situation would be any better if these protesters had guns? Did you not see the video of protesters who were holding photos of Michael Brown that had a rough ridin' tank pointed at them? What do you think the reaction would be if the 50 year old women holding photos were replaced with Black Panthers legally packing heat? We would have a whole lot of dead black panthers.
In this isolated incident, it would probably be bad news, especially with the adversarial relationship between the police and the public. But if the Panthers were in the neighborhoods the whole time, legally armed, on their citizens' patrols perhaps the police would have a harder time oppressing the citizens of the neighborhoods.
It's pretty relevant that Ron Reagan used the Panthers as a main argument in getting gun control laws implemented in California. It's a helluva lot easier to subdue a public when they have no recourse for defense.
The biggest problem, and this is assumption, because I don't know the facts, is that police weren't protecting the citizens, but were actively engaged with them in antagonistic behavior.
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that kim carnes is a Chingon-built scraper that analyzes gE consensus and then immediately plays devil's advocate. Oh, that crafty Chingon! That's why you're our friend.
i can see why you would think that but chingon and i are sworn enemies
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
Of course.
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
i'm pretty sure #life and FSD are on team be afraid of the scary black people but otherwise we have consensus
There is apparently a black panther in Ferguson and Megyn Kelly wants to "deal with this black panther issue." I've never watched this show with Megyn Kelly before but it is amazing. Two nights in a row she's had a black man calling these looters thugs and low lifes but completely not addressing the other issues at play here.
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how about you guys become cops and cleanup the force? complaining here isn't going to do any good imo. it's clear that you guys care.
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Couple reporters and an appropriately dressed camera guy running from tear gas that the police lobbed in their direction
https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1)
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Felix Rex moves to Ferguson.
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One thing that's amazing to me is that PBS News Hour spent all of 30 seconds on this story tonight. I think they spent a good 7 minutes on a Lauren Bacall tribute.
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Felix Rex moves to Ferguson.
:eye:
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Couple reporters and an appropriately dressed camera guy running from tear gas that the police lobbed in their direction
https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1)
I've never been in a riot, but I've covered a decent number of crime scenes. Only once have I had a policeman get pissed off at me, and I was definitely in the wrong there. Generally you have to respect the perimeters that police, fire, or whatever give you. It'd be weird in this situation. It seems like the cops are treating the entire city as a crime scene (pretty sure not legal to do), and trying to keep out anyone trying to get information to the public out. Pretty disgusting.
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Clearly we need Federal gun control laws for local police departments. Obama should call in the national guard to stop the Ferguson PD.
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Felix Rex moves to Ferguson.
That would be incredible right now.
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
i'm pretty sure #life and FSD are on team be afraid of the scary black people but otherwise we have consensus
There is apparently a black panther in Ferguson and Megyn Kelly wants to "deal with this black panther issue." I've never watched this show with Megyn Kelly before but it is amazing. Two nights in a row she's had a black man calling these looters thugs and low lifes but completely not addressing the other issues at play here.
Megyn Kelly could die in a fire and I would not give a single eff.
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Sitting here catching up on the latest from Ferguson. Awful.
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the real problem here is that we're not paying our police officers enough money and as a result the profession is not attracting quality professionals.
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the real problem here is that we're not paying our police officers enough money and as a result the profession is not attracting quality professionals.
good point
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Couple reporters and an appropriately dressed camera guy running from tear gas that the police lobbed in their direction
https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1)
I've never been in a riot, but I've covered a decent number of crime scenes. Only once have I had a policeman get pissed off at me, and I was definitely in the wrong there. Generally you have to respect the perimeters that police, fire, or whatever give you. It'd be weird in this situation. It seems like the cops are treating the entire city as a crime scene (pretty sure not legal to do), and trying to keep out anyone trying to get information to the public out. Pretty disgusting.
If there is a riot going on no one is reporting it, the entire story is now the police presence. I've watched 3 straight hours of live coverage tonight on three different networks and I haven't heard one report about rioting tonight.
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Mich: in fairness to PBS they are usually a half day to a day behind at times because they actually investigate facts, vet sources, and do the journalisty thing.
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Couple reporters and an appropriately dressed camera guy running from tear gas that the police lobbed in their direction
https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/499774175964192770/photo/1)
I've never been in a riot, but I've covered a decent number of crime scenes. Only once have I had a policeman get pissed off at me, and I was definitely in the wrong there. Generally you have to respect the perimeters that police, fire, or whatever give you. It'd be weird in this situation. It seems like the cops are treating the entire city as a crime scene (pretty sure not legal to do), and trying to keep out anyone trying to get information to the public out. Pretty disgusting.
If there is a riot going on no one is reporting it, the entire story is now the police presence. I've watched 3 straight hours of live coverage tonight on three different networks and I haven't heard one report about rioting tonight.
Sorry, riot wasn't the right word. Was just saying it seems like the police are making the entire town a crime scene, which seems wrong and is probably illegal.
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people in gaza are tweeting citizens of ferguson tips on how to survive tear gas. not kidding.
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Who's calling the shots (:frown:) for these cops now?
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rough ridin' lawless thug-monkeys.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
Good first-hand of lawless police.
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https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench
This guy got arrested.
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Can you guys imagine the crap that RowdyBoyy Daris would be pulling if this was going down in Riley County?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/huffington-post-reporter-arrested-ferguson_n_5676829.html
More on the police arresting journalists.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu-LSwuCcAADNzd.jpg)
Florida plates?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu-LSwuCcAADNzd.jpg)
Florida plates?
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Look like one of the Missouri versions.
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There is no way this ends well for the St. Louis County Police.
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There is no way this ends well for the St. Louis County Police.
The diligent ones will schedule properly to pick up round-the-year jobs as concession workers for the Rams, Blues and Cardinals.
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I :lol:'d
@DangerGuerrero
MSNBC: Police are tear gassing protesters.
FOX: Police are taking action against an unruly crowd.
CNN: Seriously, where is that plane?
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This video is appalling.
Sorry if luke'd
http://gawker.com/here-is-an-archived-live-stream-of-cops-and-protesters-1621336140/all?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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It must be hard work being a libtard, sitting around all day inventing societal problems to solve. The only easy part seems to be the retort when someone challenges the e fatal fallacies in your perverted logic. Racist!!!
"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples. I don't recall a national media story on any of the dead white criminal victim. Maybe poor whites are actually valued even less? Maybe it's just poor people in general nobody cares about? Or maybe society doesn't value criminals much at all? None of it excuses criminal behavior, sorry.
What I do know is that the majority of this thread is one big libtard circle jerk with a bunch of libtards telling each other how thoughtful they are. You aren't smart or insightful. You are blind.
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
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Can we all agree that these rough ridin' cops are completely rough ridin' up and really scary?
i'm pretty sure #life and FSD are on team be afraid of the scary black people but otherwise we have consensus
No, you are
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It must be hard work being a libtard, sitting around all day inventing societal problems to solve. The only easy part seems to be the retort when someone challenges the e fatal fallacies in your perverted logic. Racist!!!
"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples. I don't recall a national media story on any of the dead white criminal victim. Maybe poor whites are actually valued even less? Maybe it's just poor people in general nobody cares about? Or maybe society doesn't value criminals much at all? None of it excuses criminal behavior, sorry.
What I do know is that the majority of this thread is one big libtard circle jerk with a bunch of libtards telling each other how thoughtful they are. You aren't smart or insightful. You are blind.
quit derailing an otherwise good thread.
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Excessive use of force by police is an issue invented by libtards?
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spotted something purple on a CNN video :kstatriot:
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Aren't we all Pro Guns as long as the government only has them here in the Pit?? :confused:
I've been itching to say something about this, but I've held off. It's a good and valid point. One that coincides with (sorry to get political, which I've tried to avoid in this thread) the theory that gun control has historically been used to subdue a public.
yes, thank god these protestors have free access to guns to keep this thing from getting out of control :jerk:
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One "privileged white guy" (libtard) to another "privileged white guy" (non-libtard), you can't understand the mindset of the black community, like I do.
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Libtard: it's disgusting the media is portraying the acts of a few (looters) as the acts of the many (protestors). All cops are power thirsty racist assholes, though.
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Libtard: can't we all agree cops wearing riot gear is fundamentally wrong? Now, back to the issue of whether looting is wrong.
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The department of Homeland Security has been handing out cash so roided up assholes can feel like Navy Seals why they protect us since 2002. No knock raids on the wrong house is almost a daily occurrence. The police have a culture of viewing themselves as warriors, and it is getting worse. I can't imagine what its like to be black in a culture like this.
If you want evidence of how cops view themselves, check this out:
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/how-a-suburban-swat-team-sees-itself (http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/how-a-suburban-swat-team-sees-itself)
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FSD knock it off sheesh
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spotted something purple on a CNN video :kstatriot:
:emawkid:
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Hopefully the FBI figures out who those officers who arrested the reporters were and charges them with kidnapping.
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https://twitter.com/BauceSauce/status/499893045173944321
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St. Louis County has the weird no-sheriff system, a la MHK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_County_Police_Department
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This is a disgusting display of humanity, and I hope that news lady dies in a fire.
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I wonder what B.O. will do when he gets back from Martha ' s Vineyard?
Maybe he doesn't think this is a national emergency and the cops have this under control? Maybe he's right.
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https://twitter.com/BauceSauce/status/499893045173944321
Whoops!
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The department of Homeland Security has been handing out cash so roided up assholes can feel like Navy Seals why they protect us since 2002. No knock raids on the wrong house is almost a daily occurrence. The police have a culture of viewing themselves as warriors, and it is getting worse. I can't imagine what its like to be black in a culture like this.
If you want evidence of how cops view themselves, check this out:
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/how-a-suburban-swat-team-sees-itself (http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/13/how-a-suburban-swat-team-sees-itself)
Ten years ago, there were a lot of these posters hanging in the desk areas of police departments.
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"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples.
Dying to see the statistics you have from multiple reputable sources that back up this claim. :users:
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
Should police departments have armed drones? I say yes, screw you libtards!
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Watching Reilly on cnn now. I'm guessing the cops treat everyone they arrest like they did this guy but unfortunately for them this was a white guy that can get interviewed by cnn.
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
Should police departments have armed drones? I say yes, screw you libtards!
You don't understand the culture of growing up as a drone. Their entire life, they've been exploited by government for use in military strikes, and to spy on and illegally search the citizens of said government.
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
Should police departments have armed drones? I say yes, screw you libtards!
You don't understand the culture of growing up as a drone. Their entire life, they've been exploited by government for use in military strikes, and to spy on and illegally search the citizens of said government.
I never thought you'd be on the side of riot cops gassing assembling Americans. What happened to that snake that doesn't want to be tread on?
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"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples.
Dying to see the statistics you have from multiple reputable sources that back up this claim. :users:
LOL, you're joking right? Do you have any idea how many more poor white people there are than poor black people. I think you live in this nether-world where all white people are rich and all black people are slaves.
Newsflash for the libtards, poor people in every region of the world commit crime at a higher rate than wealthy people, have more run - ins with police and are more likely to distrust police. It's not a "black" thing, it's a poor thing. The real problem is the people profiteering off their plight by perpetuating this culture of victimhood and apathy. That's what is truly sad.
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CNN has a third witness corroborating the story of the original two, it sounds like:
"It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,"
It looked like the two of them were arm wrestling, she said.
Neither woman, who gave their statements to St. Louis County police, say they saw Brown enter the vehicle.
Instead, a shot went off, then the teen broke free, and the officer got out of the vehicle in pursuit, the women said.
"I saw the police chase him ... down the street and shoot him down," Crenshaw said. Brown ran about 20 feet.
"Michael jerks his body, as if he's been hit," Mitchell said.
Then he faced the officer and put his hands in the air, but the officer kept firing, both women said. He sank to the pavement.
Sounds like it's a two cop thing. I mean, if both shot in such a manner, WGAF which bullet actually killed him?
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"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples.
Dying to see the statistics you have from multiple reputable sources that back up this claim. :users:
LOL, you're joking right? Do you have any idea how many more poor white people there are than poor black people. I think you live in this nether-world where all white people are rich and all black people are slaves.
Newsflash for the libtards, poor people in every region of the world commit crime at a higher rate than wealthy people, have more run - ins with police and are more likely to distrust police. It's not a "black" thing, it's a poor thing. The real problem is the people profiteering off their plight by perpetuating this culture of victimhood and apathy. That's what is truly sad.
You didn't say anything about if there were more poor blacks or whites. You said cops shoot more poor whites than black by multiples.
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2 cop thing?
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
Should police departments have armed drones? I say yes, screw you libtards!
You don't understand the culture of growing up as a drone. Their entire life, they've been exploited by government for use in military strikes, and to spy on and illegally search the citizens of said government.
I never thought you'd be on the side of riot cops gassing assembling Americans. What happened to that snake that doesn't want to be tread on?
Where have I taken that position? I'm mostly just making a mockery of the rampant hypocrisy in this thread. Also, pointing out how despicable apologizing for criminal behavior is. I think the riot cops have taken enough of a beating in this thread without me piling on, but if you want I can.
I'm also not a delusional moron who thinks the constitutional right to assemble is without boundary, or that much of this so-called peaceful protest has, in fact, been violent.
Another libtard hypocrisy: the right to assemble shall be unmolested. We need to make a federal crime banning hate speech.
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"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples.
Dying to see the statistics you have from multiple reputable sources that back up this claim. :users:
LOL, you're joking right? Do you have any idea how many more poor white people there are than poor black people. I think you live in this nether-world where all white people are rich and all black people are slaves.
Newsflash for the libtards, poor people in every region of the world commit crime at a higher rate than wealthy people, have more run - ins with police and are more likely to distrust police. It's not a "black" thing, it's a poor thing. The real problem is the people profiteering off their plight by perpetuating this culture of victimhood and apathy. That's what is truly sad.
You didn't say anything about if there were more poor blacks or whites. You said cops shoot more poor whites than black by multiples.
Why don't you show me it's not true. I'll take my chances with the probabilities.
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The best I could find on Google was a 1998 report from the US Dept. Of Justice that showed whites killed by police outnumbered blacks 2:1.
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The best I could find on Google was a 1998 report from the US Dept. Of Justice that showed whites killed by police outnumbered blacks 2:1.
White alone, percent, 2013 (a) 77.7%
Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 (a) 13.2%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
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"We value black lives less than others" based on What? Because a cop shot a black guy and riots/peaceful demonstrations ensued? The number of poor white people shot by cops exceeds the number of black people shot by cops by multiples.
Dying to see the statistics you have from multiple reputable sources that back up this claim. :users:
LOL, you're joking right? Do you have any idea how many more poor white people there are than poor black people. I think you live in this nether-world where all white people are rich and all black people are slaves.
Newsflash for the libtards, poor people in every region of the world commit crime at a higher rate than wealthy people, have more run - ins with police and are more likely to distrust police. It's not a "black" thing, it's a poor thing. The real problem is the people profiteering off their plight by perpetuating this culture of victimhood and apathy. That's what is truly sad.
You didn't say anything about if there were more poor blacks or whites. You said cops shoot more poor whites than black by multiples.
Why don't you show me it's not true. I'll take my chances with the probabilities.
Well here you have one instance of it happening to a black person, 0 white people. FSD loses by infinity.
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Boy, FSD is really FSDing
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Blaming society for criminal behavior is such a libtard move.
You are cool with militarized police action in a US city?
I know you aren't
We need to investigate the psychology of the police force to see if it justifies their criminal behavior before rushing to judgment. These people aren't fat cat ceos. It's the libtard way.
Should police departments have armed drones? I say yes, screw you libtards!
You don't understand the culture of growing up as a drone. Their entire life, they've been exploited by government for use in military strikes, and to spy on and illegally search the citizens of said government.
I never thought you'd be on the side of riot cops gassing assembling Americans. What happened to that snake that doesn't want to be tread on?
Where have I taken that position? I'm mostly just making a mockery of the rampant hypocrisy in this thread. Also, pointing out how despicable apologizing for criminal behavior is. I think the riot cops have taken enough of a beating in this thread without me piling on, but if you want I can.
I'm also not a delusional moron who thinks the constitutional right to assemble is without boundary, or that much of this so-called peaceful protest has, in fact, been violent.
Another libtard hypocrisy: the right to assemble shall be unmolested. We need to make a federal crime banning hate speech.
I'm not apologizing for looting a QT. Throw them in jail right after you throw the murdering cop in jail.
But put away the tanks and tear gas. They have no grounds to break up these protests
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The best I could find on Google was a 1998 report from the US Dept. Of Justice that showed whites killed by police outnumbered blacks 2:1.
White alone, percent, 2013 (a) 77.7%
Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 (a) 13.2%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
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So why didn't these guys get tear gassed?
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So why didn't these guys get tear gassed?
PETA.
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So why didn't these guys get tear gassed?
They're already caged up like animals?
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
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Why the eff do they have military grade equipment?
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Grants from the federal government.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
The ranchers were just armed to the teeth to steal government land. It's no taquito
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
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They were pointing loaded weapons at law enforcement officers.
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Can you imagine if the Ferguson protestors were carrying guns openly?
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
If I'm reading those charts right, there were 98M total arrest, 70% white (68.6M) and 28% black (27.4M). 4813 arrest related deaths, 61.5% by homocide or 2960.
42% of all arrest related deaths were whites and 32% black. Assuming the homocide deaths were proportionately distributed (significant assumption), there were 1243 arrested whites that died by homicide and 1540 blacks.
If I did all the math right:
Out of every 1M whites that were arrested, 1.8 died by homocide.
Out of every 1M blacks that were arrested, 5.6 died by homocide.
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Looks like FSD was
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:cool:
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
If I'm reading those charts right, there were 98M total arrest, 70% white (68.6M) and 28% black (27.4M). 4813 arrest related deaths, 61.5% by homocide or 2960.
42% of all arrest related deaths were whites and 32% black. Assuming the homocide deaths were proportionately distributed (significant assumption), there were 1243 arrested whites that died by homicide and 1540 blacks.
If I did all the math right:
Out of every 1M whites that were arrested, 1.8 died by homocide.
Out of every 1M blacks that were arrested, 5.6 died by homocide.
Have Mocat check this part of your maths.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
If I'm reading those charts right, there were 98M total arrest, 70% white (68.6M) and 28% black (27.4M). 4813 arrest related deaths, 61.5% by homocide or 2960.
42% of all arrest related deaths were whites and 32% black. Assuming the homocide deaths were proportionately distributed (significant assumption), there were 1243 arrested whites that died by homicide and 1540 blacks.
If I did all the math right:
Out of every 1M whites that were arrested, 1.8 died by homocide.
Out of every 1M blacks that were arrested, 5.6 died by homocide.
No, this isn't right. According to their data, 2,026 whites were killed by homicides during arrests and 1,529 blacks.
However, participation in the survey was voluntary - if I'm reading right, there isn't a requirement for law enforcement agencies to report arrest related deaths to some sort of national database.
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
If I'm reading those charts right, there were 98M total arrest, 70% white (68.6M) and 28% black (27.4M). 4813 arrest related deaths, 61.5% by homocide or 2960.
42% of all arrest related deaths were whites and 32% black. Assuming the homocide deaths were proportionately distributed (significant assumption), there were 1243 arrested whites that died by homicide and 1540 blacks.
If I did all the math right:
Out of every 1M whites that were arrested, 1.8 died by homocide.
Out of every 1M blacks that were arrested, 5.6 died by homocide.
No, this isn't right. According to their data, 2,026 whites were killed by homicides during arrests and 1,529 blacks.
However, participation in the survey was voluntary - if I'm reading right, there isn't a requirement for law enforcement agencies to report arrest related deaths to some sort of national database.
Also now that I check further pretty much none of your maths are right.
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Two LOLable reports from Ferguson.
1. This afternoon Ryan Reilly a white reporter from the Huffington Post and Wesley Lowery a black reporter from the Washington Post were working in a McDonald's when Ferguson cops came in riot gear and told them to leave because the area was unsafe. They apparently didn't leave fast enough for the cops so they were attested. Reilly said his head was slammed on the car after his arrest and Lowery said he was told he was resisting and slammed against the soda machine. They were taken to jail. A reporter for the LA Times called the chief of police for Ferguson and told him that the officers just arrested two journalists and the guys were quickly released. Reilly was given an arrest report number but was told no report would be filed.
2. Elizabeth Matthews of KSDK out of St. Louis reported that right before their 10PM news the Ferguson cops shot a tear gas canister at an Al Jeezera TV truck. Her and the two cameramen heard the sound and left their truck to see what was happening, at that point she saw cops in riot gear guns drawn walking towards them. She said put her hands up but one of their tripods was hit with a fired bean bag. She said there were no protesters at their location and the riot cops yelled at them that this is for their own protection.
I thought there were only like 60 cops in Ferguson, are these just the same dozen bad person cops rough ridin' with everyone? If the whole force is like this perhaps the chief should be charged as well when the cop who started this gets his federal charges.
So the Ferguson mayor it's saying that St. Louis County is in charge and not the Ferguson cops.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
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They were pointing loaded weapons at law enforcement officers.
Well that's a problem.
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
more whites get killed than blacks, but not by much
If I'm reading those charts right, there were 98M total arrest, 70% white (68.6M) and 28% black (27.4M). 4813 arrest related deaths, 61.5% by homocide or 2960.
42% of all arrest related deaths were whites and 32% black. Assuming the homocide deaths were proportionately distributed (significant assumption), there were 1243 arrested whites that died by homicide and 1540 blacks.
If I did all the math right:
Out of every 1M whites that were arrested, 1.8 died by homocide.
Out of every 1M blacks that were arrested, 5.6 died by homocide.
men comprised about 76% of reported arrests, they
represented 95% of persons who died during the
process of arrest
Wow! What does this mean!?!?!? Misandry?
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
Right, but let's maybe get all the facts before torching a QT, ok? Sounds like Michael Brown did something really stupid - though that still might not justify him being shot. Again, let's get the facts.
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Can you imagine if the Ferguson protestors were carrying guns openly?
The police would go get their tanks and start shooting.
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Pretty well f'd that up.
2026 whites died by homocide out of 68.6M arrests, or 2.95 per 100k
1529 blacks died by homocide out of 27.4 M arrests, or 5.57 per 100k
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As a group, arrest-related decedents tended to be older than the arrest
population. Those under the age of 25 accounted for
45% of reported arrests but less than a quarter (22%) of
arrest-related deaths.
Wow! what does this mean? Ageism?
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The Ferguson police need to get on twitter and tell us what in the world they are doing. Because everything looks bad, and I don't want to believe that they are just completely rough ridin' up this badly.
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Oh man, :lol:
So we've confirmed 4 different ways more whites have been shot by cops than blacks. How does this effect the value on life analysis? What about the inherent inclination to riot apologetic defense?
Like I said, it's a poor thing. The inclination to riot is due the a reduced fear of getting caught, it's not a deep seated reaction to generations of oppression.
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The Ferguson police need to get on twitter and tell us what in the world they are doing. Because everything looks bad, and I don't want to believe that they are just completely rough ridin' up this badly.
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Well, I'm not about to believe anything they put on twitter.
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The inclination to riot is due the a reduced fear of getting caught, it's not a deep seated reaction to generations of oppression.
Thank you for blowing up the ridiculous myth that there is any kind of correlation between rioting and opression. What a bunch of nonsense that is.
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Oh man, :lol:
So we've confirmed 4 different ways more whites have been shot by cops than blacks. How does this effect the value on life analysis? What about the inherent inclination to riot apologetic defense?
Like I said, it's a poor thing. The inclination to riot is due the a reduced fear of getting caught, it's not a deep seated reaction to generations of oppression.
For the record I'm not ok with Cops shooting whites either.
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I don't think anyone should murder anyone, for the record.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
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They were pointing loaded weapons at law enforcement officers.
Well that's a problem.
They were just defending their buddy's right to steal from the taxpayers.
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Oh man, :lol:
So we've confirmed 4 different ways more whites have been shot by cops than blacks. How does this effect the value on life analysis? What about the inherent inclination to riot apologetic defense?
Like I said, it's a poor thing. The inclination to riot is due the a reduced fear of getting caught, it's not a deep seated reaction to generations of oppression.
You were seriously just stating that more whites are killed than blacks? I mean, no crap. I thought you were implying that a white person is more apt to be shot than a black guy which would be false. Still going with Biggie Smalls though. :D
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Guys, this thread has been extremely entertaining.
You'll laugh, you'll cry . . . two very big thumps up!
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guys, we were pretty mean to black people for awhile. the least we can do is defend them on message boards
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Two LOLable reports from Ferguson.
1. This afternoon Ryan Reilly a white reporter from the Huffington Post and Wesley Lowery a black reporter from the Washington Post were working in a McDonald's when Ferguson cops came in riot gear and told them to leave because the area was unsafe. They apparently didn't leave fast enough for the cops so they were attested. Reilly said his head was slammed on the car after his arrest and Lowery said he was told he was resisting and slammed against the soda machine. They were taken to jail. A reporter for the LA Times called the chief of police for Ferguson and told him that the officers just arrested two journalists and the guys were quickly released. Reilly was given an arrest report number but was told no report would be filed.
2. Elizabeth Matthews of KSDK out of St. Louis reported that right before their 10PM news the Ferguson cops shot a tear gas canister at an Al Jeezera TV truck. Her and the two cameramen heard the sound and left their truck to see what was happening, at that point she saw cops in riot gear guns drawn walking towards them. She said put her hands up but one of their tripods was hit with a fired bean bag. She said there were no protesters at their location and the riot cops yelled at them that this is for their own protection.
I thought there were only like 60 cops in Ferguson, are these just the same dozen bad person cops rough ridin' with everyone? If the whole force is like this perhaps the chief should be charged as well when the cop who started this gets his federal charges.
So the Ferguson mayor it's saying that St. Louis County is in charge and not the Ferguson cops.
I think that's how it's been all week.
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holy rough ridin' crap
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The Klan is now fundraising for the Kop
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How rough ridin' ignorant are people really? Why did fox do that? was it as bad as i imagine?
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Steve King: Ferguson Protesters Are Of A 'Continental Origin' So Racial Profiling Is Not A Factor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/steve-king-ferguson_n_5678677.html
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Continental Origin? What does that even mean? They area all black? Just say that. When you use phrasing like continental origin it makes you seem like a racist to me.
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Continental Origin? What does that even mean? They area all black? Just say that. When you use phrasing like continental origin it makes you seem like a racist to me.
Do you know who normally seem racist? Racists.
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http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000003055806/standoff-with-police-in-ferguson.html?playlistId=100000002797598
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Continental Origin? What does that even mean? They area all black? Just say that. When you use phrasing like continental origin it makes you seem like a racist to me.
Do you know who normally seem racist? Racists.
Agreed. It's just a dead give away when you're awkward about saying something like that. I mean Jesus.
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http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000003055806/standoff-with-police-in-ferguson.html?playlistId=100000002797598
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Wow.
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http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000003055806/standoff-with-police-in-ferguson.html?playlistId=100000002797598
We aren't free.
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The video about the hashtags was interesting too from the NYT link. Didn't know about #iftheygunnedmedown. Great social mediaing there.
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MO state police to take over for STL County and Ferguson Police in security of town.
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The video about the hashtags was interesting too from the NYT link. Didn't know about #iftheygunnedmedown. Great social mediaing there.
If They Gunned Me Down is p. great.
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic%3A2%3ADefault
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I wish that wasn't as spot on as it is. :frown:
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Onion-ran clickhole is always great, but this is also on point:
http://www.clickhole.com/article/police-or-army-who-wore-it-better-777?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook
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I'd missed the raw video of the reporters getting tear gassed:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/08/14/this_video_of_tear_gassed_journalists_is_great_for_foreign_propaganda_outlets.html?wpsrc=fol_tw
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Some of those STL county cops are going to brag to their bros about the past few nights for years.
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Some of those STL county cops are going to brag to their bros about the past few nights for years.
nothin' like havin a cold one and rememberin the time they used the assault rifle (with a light strapped to it!) to protect their bro dismantling reporters' equipment.
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Some of those STL county cops are going to brag to their bros about the past few nights for years.
nothin' like havin a cold one and rememberin the time they used the assault rifle (with a light strapped to it!) to protect their bro dismantling reporters' equipment.
Driving a tank and gassing some unarmed teenagers. I bet they save the empty gas cans for momentos
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'grats FSD, these are your people. :facepalm:
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=173989962&mid=173989962&sid=889&style=2
That thread, woof. Not even in the World Forum.
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Can I get a copy and paste? :pray:
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Can I get a copy and paste? :pray:
It's insanely long. You need to be sure you really want this.
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Can I get a copy and paste? :pray:
It's insanely long. You need to be sure you really want this.
Can I get a copy and paste? :pray:
It's insanely long. You need to be sure you really want this.
Can I get a copy and paste? :pray:
It's insanely long. You need to be sure you really want this.
I want it.
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I do too. Or at least sign info in a pm
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I bet there are several baggy pants/underwear comments
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I mean, really insanely long.
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You're being really mean right now Benja.
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well imagine that,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/)
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STL county police chief taking selfies
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well imagine that,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/)
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STL county police chief taking selfies
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Great read
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Not goEMAW'ing here at all, that article made me a bit emotional
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Thanks. Hard to read with all the quotes. but I get the general sense. :
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Not goEMAW'ing here at all, that article made me a bit emotional
Same
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
Sounds like Michael Brown did something really stupid - though that still might not justify him being shot. Again, let's get the facts.
You keep talking about not passing judgment and for all of the facts but you keep finding ways to assign Brown some fault for getting shot despite eye witnesses starting that he didn't do anything wrong.
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The contrast between the Washington Post article and the GPC quotes are staggering.
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Yeah, made me feel good
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I would vote for Ronald S. Johnson for president. Serious.
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He is live on CNN right now, pretty impressive dude.
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well imagine that,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/)
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STL county police chief taking selfies
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Great read
We need more of this.
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is this the first time a person has ever been murdered in ferguson?
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is this the first time a person has ever been murdered in ferguson?
no.
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Thugs and kisses? Deplorable.
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Trotting out their battle gear was pretty dumb in hindsight. It's getting scrutiny and may stop police departments from getting this crap in the future.
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Trotting out their battle gear was pretty dumb in hindsight. It's getting scrutiny and may stop police departments from getting this crap in the future.
I'd like to believe that.
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Thanks. Hard to read with all the quotes. but I get the general sense. :
It's hard to read because it makes your stomach turn.
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Thugs and kisses? Deplorable.
you are doing great things
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Thanks. Hard to read with all the quotes. but I get the general sense. :
It's hard to read because it makes your stomach turn.
I honestly read none of it.
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They're going to make a movie out of this.
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Spike Lee is going to make a movie out of this.
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Spike Lee is going to make a joint out of this.
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I love how so many on this board just assume the teen was guilty and deserved to be shot. You do realize there are racist cops out there still. Racism still exists... Just yesterday, my father in law stopped in a McDonalds in rural Brookfield, MO on his way back from Chicago. He was wearing a blues tshirt that had an old black musician on it. While ordering a man came up and asked why he had a n***** on his shirt? Then when he was leaving, another family was giving him the bird as he walked out.
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wut
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This whole situation is so mumped. They're just going to be "demilitarized" and pretend the last few nights never happened.
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thank goodness for ronald johnson.
and anyone who tries to contend that this kid did anything to deserve being shot.. much less killed.. doesn't deserve the right to hold an opinion on anything (not so much as whether a cheeseburger tastes good) until they've taken a cold hard look in the mirror and acknowledged that their fellow human beings are of inestimable worth and are to be treated as such.
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:billdance:
This whole situation is so mumped. They're just going to be "demilitarized" and pretend the last few nights never happened.
Fuckers are gonna get away with it
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thank goodness for ronald johnson.
and anyone who tries to contend that this kid did anything to deserve being shot.. much less killed.. doesn't deserve the right to hold an opinion on anything (not so much as whether a cheeseburger tastes good) until they've taken a cold hard look in the mirror and acknowledged that their fellow human beings are of inestimable worth and are to be treated as such.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
Sounds like Michael Brown did something really stupid - though that still might not justify him being shot. Again, let's get the facts.
You keep talking about not passing judgment and for all of the facts but you keep finding ways to assign Brown some fault for getting shot despite eye witnesses starting that he didn't do anything wrong.
I have not said that Brown deserved to be shot. I have simply pointed out that Brown put himself in a bad position. At the very least, there is agreement on both sides that they were walking down the middle of the street, the cop told them to get on the sidewalk, and they refused. That alone is pretty stupid if you ask me. From there, the stories diverge. The cop says Brown shoved him back in his vehicle as he tried to get out. The eye witness (who was Brown's friend) says the cop grabbed Brown and pulled him into the car. So far based in just the two stories, I believe the cop, as why the hell would a cop try pulling a dude named "Big Mike" into the squad car? From there on, I don't know what to believe, but I am certainly skeptical that Brown needed to be shot multiple times nearly 35 feet away from the officer.
So again, I'm not saying the shooting was justified - I'm skeptical of that - but stop pretending Brown didn't do something stupid just because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
I mostly agree with him but this has everything to do with the influence the military has over government - the size of government big, small, or otherwise is of little consequence compared to a military that can assert its will against a sold out congress.
That notwithstanding, is Rand Paul going to run on a platform of decreasing military spending and non-interventionism when push comes to shove? If he is he could come out of this looking pretty good.
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Hackers got the Ferguson police officer's SSN.
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I think one really important question we need to have answered immediately is...what does Joe Montgomery have to say about all this?
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I love how so many on this board just assume the teen was guilty and deserved to be shot. You do realize there are racist cops out there still. Racism still exists... Just yesterday, my father in law stopped in a McDonalds in rural Brookfield, MO on his way back from Chicago. He was wearing a blues tshirt that had an old black musician on it. While ordering a man came up and asked why he had a n***** on his shirt? Then when he was leaving, another family was giving him the bird as he walked out.
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That's SEC country.
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I think one really important question we need to have answered immediately is...what does Joe Montgomery have to say about all this?
If I had to take a guess, he probably thinks all of these animals should just go back to Africa where they belong.
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
Sounds like Michael Brown did something really stupid - though that still might not justify him being shot. Again, let's get the facts.
You keep talking about not passing judgment and for all of the facts but you keep finding ways to assign Brown some fault for getting shot despite eye witnesses starting that he didn't do anything wrong.
I have not said that Brown deserved to be shot. I have simply pointed out that Brown put himself in a bad position. At the very least, there is agreement on both sides that they were walking down the middle of the street, the cop told them to get on the sidewalk, and they refused. That alone is pretty stupid if you ask me. From there, the stories diverge. The cop says Brown shoved him back in his vehicle as he tried to get out. The eye witness (who was Brown's friend) says the cop grabbed Brown and pulled him into the car. So far based in just the two stories, I believe the cop, as why the hell would a cop try pulling a dude named "Big Mike" into the squad car? From there on, I don't know what to believe, but I am certainly skeptical that Brown needed to be shot multiple times nearly 35 feet away from the officer.
So again, I'm not saying the shooting was justified - I'm skeptical of that - but stop pretending Brown didn't do something stupid just because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
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OMG that news conference and timeline :ROFL:
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welp cops name is officially out
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-fergsuon-shooting-police-name-20140815-story.html
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Gilbert Arenas doesn't like Al
http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/14/gilbert-arenas-michael-brown-shot-riots-al-sharpton/
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
Rephrase the question, please.
Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
It also doesn't make sense why you shoot an unarmed assailant multiple times 35 feet away from you. So both stories are in doubt, but without more facts the best I can surmise is that Brown very stupidly attacked the cop, and the cop then very stupidly overreacted and shot a retreating Brown.
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OMG that news conference and timeline :ROFL:
They had it in front of the quiktrip. Really? Really.
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Washington Post piece on the demographic changes of Ferguson
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/14/visualizing-the-rapid-racial-change-in-ferguson-over-the-past-decade/?wpisrc=nl_politics&wpmm=1
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My coworker decided to give her side of the story at this mornings Friday meeting. She said she use to live in the area and she'd get pulled over all the time for her race. She said one time she got a $2000 ticket for no reason. She also said that since St. Louis is mostly a Republican area (pretty sure she was saying republicans are racist) and because of that there's been tension with that community ever since Obama was elected. We all have our opinions and I know we all come from different walks of life, but I was definitely :popcorn: this morning. Mainly cause she was saying she would have looted the QT too to show her respects for the young man who had fallen and that republicans are racist talking point.
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Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
It's interesting that you think this is not as bad as the TM shooting because Brown (likely) attacked a cop, but it's actually just the opposite from a self-defense standpoint.
When it comes to justifiable shooting, the relevant question is not so much the preceding events (outside of illegal preceding events, and GZ was not breaking the law), but whether the shooter had a reasonable belief of imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death at the time of the shooting. In the TM case, the physical evidence (wounds to GZ head) and eyewitness testimony (TM on top) provided much greater support for GZ having such a belief. The cop appears to have a much weaker case due to eye witness testimony and the distance away from Brown at the time of the shooting.
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My coworker decided to give her side of the story at this mornings Friday meeting. She said she use to live in the area and she'd get pulled over all the time for her race. She said one time she got a $2000 ticket for no reason. She also said that since St. Louis is mostly a Republican area (pretty sure she was saying republicans are racist) and because of that there's been tension with that community ever since Obama was elected. We all have our opinions and I know we all come from different walks of life, but I was definitely :popcorn: this morning. Mainly cause she was saying she would have looted the QT too to show her respects for the young man who had fallen and that republicans are racist, talking point.
A $2000 ticket for no reason? Wow - I'd like to hear more about that.
St. Louis is "mostly a Republican area"? Hmmm...
She would have looted the QT too to show her respects for Brown?
Your coworker sounds like a nutjob.
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Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
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Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
It's interesting that you think this is not as bad as the TM shooting because Brown (likely) attacked a cop, but it's actually just the opposite from a self-defense standpoint.
When it comes to justifiable shooting, the relevant question is not so much the preceding events (outside of illegal preceding events, and GZ was not breaking the law), but whether the shooter had a reasonable belief of imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death at the time of the shooting. In the TM case, the physical evidence (wounds to GZ head) and eyewitness testimony (TM on top) provided much greater support for GZ having such a belief. The cop appears to have a much weaker case due to eye witness testimony and the distance away from Brown at the time of the shooting.
I don't really care who has the stronger case. The cop killed a kid in the heat of the moment after being attacked. Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had done absolutely nothing wrong.
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so this was the wrong guy then?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu_8VoyCUAAbmcO.jpg)
so this was the wrong guy then?
Yes, definitely the wrong guy
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Whats this about a robbery?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/08/15/340594634/ferguson-police-release-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown
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OMG that news conference and timeline :ROFL:
They had it in front of the quiktrip. Really? Really.
Missouri should've appointed the good cops to do all this too.
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
Rephrase the question, please.
Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
It also doesn't make sense why you shoot an unarmed assailant multiple times 35 feet away from you. So both stories are in doubt, but without more facts the best I can surmise is that Brown very stupidly attacked the cop, and the cop then very stupidly overreacted and shot a retreating Brown.
Can you honestly say you don't recognize grabbing someone and pulling them into you as a method of intimidation?
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Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
It's interesting that you think this is not as bad as the TM shooting because Brown (likely) attacked a cop, but it's actually just the opposite from a self-defense standpoint.
When it comes to justifiable shooting, the relevant question is not so much the preceding events (outside of illegal preceding events, and GZ was not breaking the law), but whether the shooter had a reasonable belief of imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death at the time of the shooting. In the TM case, the physical evidence (wounds to GZ head) and eyewitness testimony (TM on top) provided much greater support for GZ having such a belief. The cop appears to have a much weaker case due to eye witness testimony and the distance away from Brown at the time of the shooting.
I don't really care who has the stronger case. The cop killed a kid in the heat of the moment after being attacked. Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had done absolutely nothing wrong.
Putting the legal case aside, the Brown shooting is also potentially worse from a "moral" or "justice" standpoint or whatever you want to call it. A cop shooting someone thirty five feet away "in the heat of the moment" isn't right, period. By contrast, saying that "Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had absolutely nothing wrong" leaves out a few very pertinent details - like how that fleeing kid didn't really seem to be trying to flee based on his phone call with his girlfriend, and then jumped GZ and started beating on him.
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
Rephrase the question, please.
Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
It also doesn't make sense why you shoot an unarmed assailant multiple times 35 feet away from you. So both stories are in doubt, but without more facts the best I can surmise is that Brown very stupidly attacked the cop, and the cop then very stupidly overreacted and shot a retreating Brown.
Can you honestly say you don't recognize grabbing someone and pulling them into you as a method of intimidation?
Not from a seated position - that is contrary to natural instinct. If you're trying to assult someone, threaten them, whatever, you get "big," and you get leverage. Even if the officer was behaving irrationally, his instincts ("animal instincts" if you will) don't go out the window. In fact, the instincts take over.
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Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
It's interesting that you think this is not as bad as the TM shooting because Brown (likely) attacked a cop, but it's actually just the opposite from a self-defense standpoint.
When it comes to justifiable shooting, the relevant question is not so much the preceding events (outside of illegal preceding events, and GZ was not breaking the law), but whether the shooter had a reasonable belief of imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death at the time of the shooting. In the TM case, the physical evidence (wounds to GZ head) and eyewitness testimony (TM on top) provided much greater support for GZ having such a belief. The cop appears to have a much weaker case due to eye witness testimony and the distance away from Brown at the time of the shooting.
I don't really care who has the stronger case. The cop killed a kid in the heat of the moment after being attacked. Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had done absolutely nothing wrong.
Putting the legal case aside, the Brown shooting is also potentially worse from a "moral" or "justice" standpoint or whatever you want to call it. A cop shooting someone thirty five feet away "in the heat of the moment" isn't right, period. By contrast, saying that "Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had absolutely nothing wrong" leaves out a few very pertinent details - like how that fleeing kid didn't really seem to be trying to flee based on his phone call with his girlfriend, and then jumped GZ and started beating on him.
If Trayvon wasn't running away, then why did Zimmerman tell the 911 dispatcher that he was? They are both murderers, but Zimmerman poses a greater threat to society than this cop does.
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
Rephrase the question, please.
Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
It also doesn't make sense why you shoot an unarmed assailant multiple times 35 feet away from you. So both stories are in doubt, but without more facts the best I can surmise is that Brown very stupidly attacked the cop, and the cop then very stupidly overreacted and shot a retreating Brown.
Can you honestly say you don't recognize grabbing someone and pulling them into you as a method of intimidation?
Not from a seated position - that is contrary to natural instinct. If you're trying to assult someone, threaten them, whatever, you get "big," and you get leverage.
I would say that it all depends on the situation. Also, being an armed cop is leverage.
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How does outside of a shove someone the back getting out of a car?
Rephrase the question, please.
Again, the friend doesn't deny that Brown and the cop got in a physical struggle while the cop was still seated in his vehicle. So the question is, what's more believable? That Brown shoved the officer back into the vehicle as he was trying to get out, or that the officer decided to latch onto Brown and pull him into the vehicle from a seated position? That just doesn't make any sense. Even if the officer was pissed and behaving irrationally, you don't grab a big dude from a seated position - you get out of your vehicle to assert your authoritay. So up to that point I believe the cop.
It also doesn't make sense why you shoot an unarmed assailant multiple times 35 feet away from you. So both stories are in doubt, but without more facts the best I can surmise is that Brown very stupidly attacked the cop, and the cop then very stupidly overreacted and shot a retreating Brown.
Can you honestly say you don't recognize grabbing someone and pulling them into you as a method of intimidation?
Not from a seated position - that is contrary to natural instinct. If you're trying to assult someone, threaten them, whatever, you get "big," and you get leverage.
I would say that it all depends on the situation. Also, being an armed cop is leverage.
I'm talking about physical leverage and natural instinct. You're talking about rational reaction (though it wouldn't be rational to grab someone from a seated position, either).
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Yeah, we don't know all of the details, but it sure sounds like there was more than 1 officer at the scene and we also know that this same police force arrested a journalist in a McDonalds for taking a photo. It sounds like the kid got violent with a police officer, so it's not as bad as the Trayvon Martin situation, but it's still pretty awful. I would like to see murder charges filed on the cop.
It's interesting that you think this is not as bad as the TM shooting because Brown (likely) attacked a cop, but it's actually just the opposite from a self-defense standpoint.
When it comes to justifiable shooting, the relevant question is not so much the preceding events (outside of illegal preceding events, and GZ was not breaking the law), but whether the shooter had a reasonable belief of imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death at the time of the shooting. In the TM case, the physical evidence (wounds to GZ head) and eyewitness testimony (TM on top) provided much greater support for GZ having such a belief. The cop appears to have a much weaker case due to eye witness testimony and the distance away from Brown at the time of the shooting.
I don't really care who has the stronger case. The cop killed a kid in the heat of the moment after being attacked. Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had done absolutely nothing wrong.
Putting the legal case aside, the Brown shooting is also potentially worse from a "moral" or "justice" standpoint or whatever you want to call it. A cop shooting someone thirty five feet away "in the heat of the moment" isn't right, period. By contrast, saying that "Zimmerman hunted down a fleeing kid who had absolutely nothing wrong" leaves out a few very pertinent details - like how that fleeing kid didn't really seem to be trying to flee based on his phone call with his girlfriend, and then jumped GZ and started beating on him.
If Trayvon wasn't running away, then why did Zimmerman tell the 911 dispatcher that he was? They are both murderers, but Zimmerman poses a greater threat to society than this cop does.
There's a difference between initially trying to evade Zimmerman and "fleeing" like a scared deer. If you really believe that GZ chased Martin down and tackled him, I can't help you.
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I don't think it's rational for a cop to get out of the car to force someone to walk on the sidewalk. I mean, I guess it's their job, but that doesn't make it rational.
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I guess I am irrational as I have done it before. Not in a car, but on a bar stool.
Also, how big is the cop?
A bunch of details matter in suggesting how he would react. Also, I highly doubt the situation started out at 100mph. I would assume it started at something more normal then escalated. Grabbing someone and pulling them to you to get mean with them is something that wouldn't require a full fight/flight reaction as it usually takes place before that happens. All that said, I am not a cop, so throw out some of the thought behind this.
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I don't think it's rational for a cop to get out of the car to force someone to walk on the sidewalk. I mean, I guess it's there job, but that doesn't make it rational.
ummm....did you see the pics posted?
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I don't think it's rational for a cop to get out of the car to force someone to walk on the sidewalk. I mean, I guess it's there job, but that doesn't make it rational.
ummm....did you see the pics posted?
maybe?
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They should have just got out and played catch with them or something. That's what KC cops do. :gocho:
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports
Why haven't they arrested Johnson?
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Whats this about a robbery?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/08/15/340594634/ferguson-police-release-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown
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Where is that photo from and why is it posted with this link? That photo isn't included in the story?
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports
Why haven't they arrested Johnson?
who the hell knows
why didn't the cops get out in front of this by releasing info early?
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So break it down for me. Is that him?
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Whats this about a robbery?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/08/15/340594634/ferguson-police-release-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown
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Where is that photo from and why is it posted with this link? That photo isn't included in the story?
Its from the police reports on the robbery shortly before the shooting. Someone rehosted the color images.
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So break it down for me. Is that him?
police reports make it seem like the cops think so.
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Red hat and flip flops
Image of Brown, dead, in roadway.
http://i.imgur.com/kWd7YPI.jpg
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports
Why haven't they arrested Johnson?
who the hell knows
why didn't the cops get out in front of this by releasing info early?
Talk about throwing fuel on the fire, arresting Johnson would have been a terrible idea imo.
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Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
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I'm not exactly quick to believe the police department that so colossally mumped this situation up.
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Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?
of Brown or the surveillance cams? The cams were from open records requests.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
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Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?
of Brown or the surveillance cams? The cams were from open records requests.
Yeah, I was talking about the brown pic on the ground. I'm sure a bystandar could have shot that up to the cloud immediately.
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Interesting. Also, holy crap, how did that photo leak?
of Brown or the surveillance cams? The cams were from open records requests.
I'm guessing he means of Brown, but I'm sure that isn't anything that leaked but a photo that a bystander took at the scene. It took 10 minutes for him to be covered up.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
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I guess I am irrational as I have done it before. Not in a car, but on a bar stool.
Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).
It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.
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by standard
:D don't change
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right on, I just didn't want to assume I knew which pic you meant.
From the distance and angle I assumed by standard, which surprised me it didn't come out sooner.
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by standard
:D don't change
Haha. Dammit. You caught it. :D
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
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I guess I am irrational as I have done it before. Not in a car, but on a bar stool.
Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).
It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.
Can we like outlaw the word thug, you use alot of credibility when you use that word.
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by standard
:D don't change
auto correct goodness :party:
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
Oh that's rich
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I guess I am irrational as I have done it before. Not in a car, but on a bar stool.
Just curious - were you drunk at the time? It's possible that alcohol impaired your normal fight/flight instincts. The normal instint would be spring off of the bar stool before grabbing the person (or, if you were in a movie, finding the nearest pool cue/beer bottle and breaking it in half).
It's all theoretical at this point now that we video evidence just 10 minutes before the confrontation of Brown being a thug. That makes this a pretty easy call who started the fight. Still doesn't justify the shooting without more information.
Can we like outlaw the word thug, you use alot of credibility when you use that word.
Why?
thug
/TH?g/
noun
noun: thug; plural noun: thugs; noun: Thug
1. a violent person, especially a criminal.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
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By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
police reports
I hope they complete/release the full report for 14-12391 as well as they did for 14-12388. I mean, as riveting as that cigars story was (and we at gE love cigar stories), I think most people are more curious about the shooting.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
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By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
It didn't happen at QT, you illiterate.
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Maybe I read the CNNs wrong, but I thought I read a witness account that had the first shot being fired when Brown was something like 20' away and running?
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
Are you not reaching by believing the other side of that story?
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By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
ok alanis
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
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I see your point MiR
And I wont change just for you :thumbsup:
I do wonder how dramatically things would have changed with this info being released immediately. Its a shame that we can't have an honest discussion about race without a murky story like this as a pretext.
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By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
It didn't happen at QT, you illiterate.
MIR got very prickly all of a sudden. I haven't read the police report yet, just the news story, which didn't ID the convenience store.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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So if it happened this way and there was more than one shot fired then the cop has to be charged with murder, right?
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Maybe I read the CNNs wrong, but I thought I read a witness account that had the first shot being fired when Brown was something like 20' away and running?
I read that the first shot was from within the car. I think the 18 year old probably shoved the cop into the car thinking he was going to try to get away, seeing as how he just robbed a gas station. The cop fired at him from within the car at close range (justified) and then shot him multiple times when he was trying to run away (not justified).
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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So if it happened this way and there was more than one shot fired then the cop has to be charged with murder, right?
If I'm on the jury, I convict him of second degree murder.
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By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
ok alanis
With the renewed popularity of Weird Al, I want K-S-U to do a parody of her song but with all the topical ironic events of today in the lyrics.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
Ok, so we're at least moving away from the "the cop started it" bullshit? You're giving up on at least that part of the narrative, right? If so, I'm happy to move on to the "he went for my gun" part of the story.
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I see your point MiR
And I wont change just for you :thumbsup:
I was quoting fanning's spelling error there
By the way, was Brown stealing and assaulting the worker at the same QT that was torched? Would make the ensuing looting/torching more than a little ironic.
It didn't happen at QT, you illiterate.
MIR got very prickly all of a sudden. I haven't read the police report yet, just the news story, which didn't ID the convenience store.
I had the word thug there but deleted it.
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Maybe I read the CNNs wrong, but I thought I read a witness account that had the first shot being fired when Brown was something like 20' away and running?
I read that the first shot was from within the car. I think the 18 year old probably shoved the cop into the car thinking he was going to try to get away, seeing as how he just robbed a gas station. The cop fired at him from within the car at close range (justified) and then shot him multiple times when he was trying to run away (not justified).
FYI, being shoved by someone who them immediately runs doesn't meet the standard for deadly force.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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So if it happened this way and there was more than one shot fired then the cop has to be charged with murder, right?
Best case scenario is the he gets the least harsh of any manslaughter charge (if that is the case.) Probably nothing will happen to him, though.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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So if it happened this way and there was more than one shot fired then the cop has to be charged with murder, right?
If I'm on the jury, I convict him of second degree murder.
You'd have people on the jury with you along with copies of the statutes which would explain to you why it's 1st.
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i think Trick Daddy would call a strong arm robbery of swisher sweets pretty "thug"-y :dunno:
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Maybe I read the CNNs wrong, but I thought I read a witness account that had the first shot being fired when Brown was something like 20' away and running?
I read that the first shot was from within the car. I think the 18 year old probably shoved the cop into the car thinking he was going to try to get away, seeing as how he just robbed a gas station. The cop fired at him from within the car at close range (justified) and then shot him multiple times when he was trying to run away (not justified).
FYI, being shoved by someone who them immediately runs doesn't meet the standard for deadly force.
The first shot was inside the police car. He didn't run until after the shot was fired. Based upon what the police are saying, I think the first shot was justified, and if he had killed the kid with that shot, it's self defense. It's getting out of the car and shooting him while he's running away that constitutes murder.
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Anybody else feel bad for the poor clerk?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trbimg.com%2Fimg-53ee28af%2Fturbine%2Fla-na-brown-surveillance-20140815%2F750%2F1x1&hash=628b6f678a5b3adf7dca46fb964625d7f3653971)
Also, does a box of Swisher Sweets really cost $50?
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
Ok, so we're at least moving away from the "the cop started it" bullshit? You're giving up on at least that part of the narrative, right? If so, I'm happy to move on to the "he went for my gun" part of the story.
I don't think I was ever on "the cop started it bullshit." This is a trained police officer whose actions took the life of a person, this isn't a sandbox in 3rd grade, who started it isn't important and it never has been. You have latched onto it because that's really the only ground you have to stand on, you have your basis to call the dead kid a thug, congrats. For the rest of us we are much more interested in how it finished. If Brown pushed the cop it still doesn't justify putting multiple slugs in his back. Protesters don't justify turning an American city into a war zone.
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Anybody else feel bad for the poor clerk?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trbimg.com%2Fimg-53ee28af%2Fturbine%2Fla-na-brown-surveillance-20140815%2F750%2F1x1&hash=628b6f678a5b3adf7dca46fb964625d7f3653971)
Also, does a box of Swisher Sweets really cost $50?
Pretty shitty that the thug wrinkled that man's shirt. But since we're in blame the victim mode, he should have kept his ass behind the counter, why confront two dudes over a pack of cheap cigars?
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Also, does a box of Swisher Sweets really cost $50?
i assume it was a box of packs, maybe 10 @ $5 each
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if the clerk was Judge'n none of this would have happened
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Anybody else feel bad for the poor clerk?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trbimg.com%2Fimg-53ee28af%2Fturbine%2Fla-na-brown-surveillance-20140815%2F750%2F1x1&hash=628b6f678a5b3adf7dca46fb964625d7f3653971)
Also, does a box of Swisher Sweets really cost $50?
box(es)
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Has there been any official info on number of hits to Brown and location?
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Based upon what the police are saying, I think the first shot was justified, and if he had killed the kid with that shot, it's self defense. It's getting out of the car and shooting him while he's running away that constitutes murder.
Exclusive picture of Brown running away after the cop killed him.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
Ok, so we're at least moving away from the "the cop started it" bullshit? You're giving up on at least that part of the narrative, right? If so, I'm happy to move on to the "he went for my gun" part of the story.
I don't think I was ever on "the cop started it bullshit." This is a trained police officer whose actions took the life of a person, this isn't a sandbox in 3rd grade, who started it isn't important and it never has been. You have latched onto it because that's really the only ground you have to stand on, you have your basis to call the dead kid a thug, congrats. For the rest of us we are much more interested in how it finished. If Brown pushed the cop it still doesn't justify putting multiple slugs in his back. Protesters don't justify turning an American city into a war zone.
If I was being mean, I'd call you an "illiterate." I have said, repeatedly, that I am skepitcal of the justification for this shooting. I have also said, repeatedly, that Brown very stupidly put himself in a very precarious situation. We should be able to agree on both those points.
The fact that Brown put himself in danger does not excuse the shooting, but it does refute the "black men being hunted in the streets" narrative.
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Dear Chant,
The word "thug" has been used in our society to describe a certain subset of our society, even when their behavior has not been violent. Therefore it has racist overtones.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
Ok, so we're at least moving away from the "the cop started it" bullshit? You're giving up on at least that part of the narrative, right? If so, I'm happy to move on to the "he went for my gun" part of the story.
I don't think I was ever on "the cop started it bullshit." This is a trained police officer whose actions took the life of a person, this isn't a sandbox in 3rd grade, who started it isn't important and it never has been. You have latched onto it because that's really the only ground you have to stand on, you have your basis to call the dead kid a thug, congrats. For the rest of us we are much more interested in how it finished. If Brown pushed the cop it still doesn't justify putting multiple slugs in his back. Protesters don't justify turning an American city into a war zone.
If I was being mean, I'd call you an "illiterate." I have said, repeatedly, that I am skepitcal of the justification for this shooting. I have also said, repeatedly, that Brown very stupidly put himself in a very precarious situation. We should be able to agree on both those points.
The fact that Brown put himself in danger does not excuse the shooting, but it does refute the "black men being hunted in the streets" narrative.
I'll agree NOW that Brown put himself in a position he could have avoided, I wasn't going to make that charge without any evidence. You made an assumption that turned out to be correct, I chose not to make an assumption.
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
square that circle a little more for me. Why do you think its more credible than the cops? After all, isn't it alleged now that these two used physical intimidation to steal? Why can't we make the jump that they used the same physical intimidation to threaten a cop and once the confrontation escalated it went to gun grabbing.
Square what circle, did you stop reading before I said the truth is likely in the middle? How in the hell could anyone take a gun from a cop in a car? Either it is in a holster or it was being pointed at Brown. If it was holstered that cop would have to be dead for Brown to reach into the car and get to his hip while seated. If it were pointed at Brown the cop certainly would have squeezed off a round before any struggle for the gun happened.
I thought they were out of the car and there the confrontation continued. Supposedly Brown was moving away and shot, while the cop maintains the confrontation continued, gun grab, shots etc. Or am I wrong on the narratives?
I'm not completely sure we know. The eyewitness accounts have the first shot being fired from the car so that would mean the supposed struggle happened there as well.
The police side of the story is that they were out of the car, one of the suspects shoved the police back into the car, struggle ensued, gun went off, suspects fleed, gunshots, dead.
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So if it happened this way and there was more than one shot fired then the cop has to be charged with murder, right?
If I'm on the jury, I convict him of second degree murder.
You'd have people on the jury with you along with copies of the statutes which would explain to you why it's 1st.
I couldn't justify this as premeditated murder, regardless of what those statutes say.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
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Dear Chant,
The word "thug" has been used in our society to describe a certain subset of our society, even when their behavior has not been violent. Therefore it has racist overtones.
Oh boy... :rolleyes: Sounds like "thug" is another "dog whistle." It's crazy how if you go looking for racism, you can find it just about anywhere, even in commonly used english words.
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Dear Chant,
The word "thug" has been used in our society to describe a certain subset of our society, even when their behavior has not been violent. Therefore it has racist overtones.
Oh boy... :rolleyes: Sounds like "thug" is another "dog whistle." It's crazy how if you go looking for racism, you can find it just about anywhere, even in commonly used english words.
It isn't that crazy
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Amazing how quickly the story can change as facts come to light. So anyone still believe the friend's "the cop initiated the physical confrontation by grabbing Brown from a seated position in his patrol vehicle" bullshit story?
The only thing this changes is that Dorian Johnson isn't credible but he wasn't the only witness. The cop initiating physical confrontation from inside the vehicle is much more believable than the story that cops told, that Johnson tried to take the cop's gun who was inside of the vehicle. The truth is likely in the middle.
You're reaching now, MIR, really reaching. Stick to the shooting. That's the more questionable act at this point.
I'm reaching by staying the truth lies in the middle of a story told by a police department that hasn't been forthright with anything that happened that day and a story told by a witness who just committed a crime that put these events in motion? Okay, sure :thumbsup:
See bold. That's where you're reaching. Again, stick to the shooting from 35 feet away.
The takeaway line was one you chose not to bold to argue a completely irrelevant point.
Ok, so we're at least moving away from the "the cop started it" bullshit? You're giving up on at least that part of the narrative, right? If so, I'm happy to move on to the "he went for my gun" part of the story.
I don't think I was ever on "the cop started it bullshit." This is a trained police officer whose actions took the life of a person, this isn't a sandbox in 3rd grade, who started it isn't important and it never has been. You have latched onto it because that's really the only ground you have to stand on, you have your basis to call the dead kid a thug, congrats. For the rest of us we are much more interested in how it finished. If Brown pushed the cop it still doesn't justify putting multiple slugs in his back. Protesters don't justify turning an American city into a war zone.
If I was being mean, I'd call you an "illiterate." I have said, repeatedly, that I am skepitcal of the justification for this shooting. I have also said, repeatedly, that Brown very stupidly put himself in a very precarious situation. We should be able to agree on both those points.
The fact that Brown put himself in danger does not excuse the shooting, but it does refute the "black men being hunted in the streets" narrative.
I'll agree NOW that Brown put himself in a position he could have avoided, I wasn't going to make that charge without any evidence. You made an assumption that turned out to be correct, I chose not to make an assumption.
Says the man who accused the cop of "hunting black people in the streets." My assumption "turned out to be correct" because I logically assessed the competing stories (as to who started the fight) without emotional glasses. (Insert Benja "beep boop I am robot")
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I couldn't justify this as premeditated murder, regardless of what those statutes say.
Well, it's good you'd be eliminated from the jury with a predetermined position like that.
Evidence of the cop having Brown in a surrendered state on his knees and with his hands up, and then shooting him until dead would certainly support 1st degree murder.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000020.htm
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
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Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
Mocat, run the numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5qKNlcUwKs
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
:dunno:
https://twitter.com/Collin_MOTimes/status/500282843562795009
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I couldn't justify this as premeditated murder, regardless of what those statutes say.
Well, it's good you'd be eliminated from the jury with a predetermined position like that.
Evidence of the cop having Brown in a surrendered state on his knees and with his hands up, and then shooting him until dead would certainly support 1st degree murder.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000020.htm
I think most juries would give him a not guilty verdict, honestly. At least I am convicting him of something.
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I couldn't justify this as premeditated murder, regardless of what those statutes say.
Well, it's good you'd be eliminated from the jury with a predetermined position like that.
Evidence of the cop having Brown in a surrendered state on his knees and with his hands up, and then shooting him until dead would certainly support 1st degree murder.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000020.htm
I think most juries would give him a not guilty verdict, honestly. At least I am convicting him of something.
^^^ Hero.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
:dunno:
https://twitter.com/Collin_MOTimes/status/500282843562795009
Will @K-S-U-Wildcats! walk anything back?
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
:dunno:
https://twitter.com/Collin_MOTimes/status/500282843562795009
Will @K-S-U-Wildcats! walk anything back?
If it wasn't him, then sure.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
:dunno:
https://twitter.com/Collin_MOTimes/status/500282843562795009
Will @K-S-U-Wildcats! walk anything back?
He was just going with the "facts" in that upstanding police departments documents. I say no.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
Same size, same clothes. What are the odds that it was some other huge guy wearing a red Cardinals baseball cap with tall yellow socks and sandals?
:dunno:
https://twitter.com/Collin_MOTimes/status/500282843562795009
Will @K-S-U-Wildcats! walk anything back?
It should be easy to see, if not whether Brown was the robber, to what extent the cops believed he was and when if we could read the report about the shooting.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
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Has gE closed this case yet, or what? :impatient:
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl2.yimg.com%2Fbt%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FHb3zqwuF7CeIXdEQt1v9Jg--%2FYXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTczMw--%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fos%2Fpublish-images%2Fnews%2F2014-08-14%2Fb0816fc0-23d0-11e4-a67c-11f85ad0904e_RTR42CVK.jpg&hash=b4689bd75697e82430842e6892edcd6b00d465c3)(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd.ibtimes.co.uk%2Fen%2Ffull%2F399573%2Fegypts-riot-police.jpg&hash=aad6e9d53da720705f7a4697e03c0e275e825a2d)
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Has gE closed this case yet, or what? :impatient:
I'm half way there Spracs. Still waiting for the forensics back from the lab. Hang tight.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
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Brown looks like a stand up human being.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
I'm more astonished that in a day and age where apparently every Russian has a dashboard cam, some of our cops still don't.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
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I think everyone can agree the County/City cops really made this into a bigger mess. I'm not sure if some of these contradictions are real, but damn.
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I think everyone can agree the County/City cops really made this into a bigger mess. I'm not sure if some of these contradictions are real, but damn.
Yeah, if anything the packet they handed out simply confirms they're a collection of complete fuckups that should constantly be doubted.
Also, there's this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
whether or not he was the subject of assault and robbery has no bearing on whether or not he was shot? Do you understand how violent felonies work?
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I couldn't justify this as premeditated murder, regardless of what those statutes say.
Well, it's good you'd be eliminated from the jury with a predetermined position like that.
Evidence of the cop having Brown in a surrendered state on his knees and with his hands up, and then shooting him until dead would certainly support 1st degree murder.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000020.htm
I think most juries would give him a not guilty verdict, honestly. At least I am convicting him of something.
^^^ Hero.
I know, right? But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
whether or not he was the subject of assault and robbery has no bearing on whether or not he was shot? Do you understand how violent felonies work?
No, I do not believe that the police should be able to gun down a fleeing man regardless of how many people he pushed. No matter how many cigars he stole. Get in your car, follow on foot, whatever you like and arrest him.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
whether or not he was the subject of assault and robbery has no bearing on whether or not he was shot? Do you understand how violent felonies work?
No, I do not believe that the police should be able to gun down a fleeing man regardless of how many people he pushed. No matter how many cigars he stole. Get in your car, follow on foot, whatever you like and arrest him.
Can you post some details on that info, the whole gunning down a fleeing man?
Also, cops kinda can shoot you while fleeing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
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There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
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There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
reports from????? The accomplice?
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
I can't speak for anyone else but my doubt about whether or not the robber and Brown were the same guy our if the cops thought they were the same guy comes from this, which I'm not sure how you missed.
On Tuesday, Jackson told me #MichaelBrown was not being questioned as a suspect in a crime when he was stopped. So.....yeah....
9:08am - 15 Aug 14
So if they were there and they aren't sure, if it was him, how can you be?
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
whether or not he was the subject of assault and robbery has no bearing on whether or not he was shot? Do you understand how violent felonies work?
No, I do not believe that the police should be able to gun down a fleeing man regardless of how many people he pushed. No matter how many cigars he stole. Get in your car, follow on foot, whatever you like and arrest him.
Can you post some details on that info, the whole gunning down a fleeing man?
Also, cops kinda can shoot you while fleeing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
If he was at the car and then shot at some distance from the car, it's math. I'll as mocat to confirm. That also takes care of that cute link you posted.
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There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
reports from????? The accomplice?
Just what I have gathered from various news outlets online. I'm sure some of it is correct and some of it is wrong. There just aren't a lot of details yet, like how many times the kid was shot, whether they were all into the chest or if some shots were into the back, etc. Regardless, the guy was unarmed, and shooting him multiple times is murder. He is clearly guilty of second degree murder.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
I can't speak for anyone else but my doubt about whether or not the robber and Brown were the same guy our if the cops thought they were the same guy comes from this, which I'm not sure how you missed.
On Tuesday, Jackson told me #MichaelBrown was not being questioned as a suspect in a crime when he was stopped. So.....yeah....
9:08am - 15 Aug 14
So if they were there and they aren't sure, if it was him, how can you be?
who is that twitter source?
and lets play with that a little more. "hey you there stop, you're wanted for robbery!" or "hey, guys, can I talk to you for a second? You (insert piddly crime like jaywalking here) back there and just want to talk for a second."
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
I can't speak for anyone else but my doubt about whether or not the robber and Brown were the same guy our if the cops thought they were the same guy comes from this, which I'm not sure how you missed.
On Tuesday, Jackson told me #MichaelBrown was not being questioned as a suspect in a crime when he was stopped. So.....yeah....
9:08am - 15 Aug 14
So if they were there and they aren't sure, if it was him, how can you be?
who is that twitter source?
and lets play with that a little more. "hey you there stop, you're wanted for robbery!" or "hey, guys, can I talk to you for a second? You (insert piddly crime like jaywalking here) back there and just want to talk for a second."
Play it out a little more. I don't want to assume anything.
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But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
You can't see when and where the deliberation happened?
It's boring, but prosecutors always have to explain that deliberation in the statute isn't the deliberation you think of in a lifetime movie, and make sure the jury instructions explain the meaning in the statute. When done adequately, the jury can understand it.
I got premeditation/deliberation for some point in time between stabbing #1 and stabbing #17, even while acknowledging that the first stabbing wasn't premeditated and that I couldn't say which stabbing was the first premeditated one.
This shooting, if the facts are given to the jury as you laid them out, is easy.
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But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
You can't see when and where the deliberation happened?
It's boring, but prosecutors always have to explain that deliberation in the statute isn't the deliberation you think of in a lifetime movie, and make sure the jury instructions explain the meaning in the statute. When done adequately, the jury can understand it.
I got premeditation/deliberation for some point in time between stabbing #1 and stabbing #17, even while acknowledging that the first stabbing wasn't premeditated and that I couldn't say which stabbing was the first premeditated one.
This shooting, if the facts are given to the jury as you laid them out, is easy.
The police said the suspect was in the hospital receiving treatment for his injuries. If he was beaten up, I think it is somewhat reasonable to believe that he was not in a state of mind to deliberate anything during the short time period in which this happened.
Do you have an example of a killing that would be second degree murder?
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Boom. No correlation between the stop and the burglary.
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Boom. No correlation between the stop and the burglary.
Yea, then why release the info about the burglary today? I cant think of a way the PD hasnt effed this thing up.
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Also these questions are idiotic. Jfc media.
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Boom. No correlation between the stop and the burglary.
Yea, then why release the info about the burglary today? I cant think of a way the PD hasnt effed this thing up.
Because the press kept submitting f.o.i.s?
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I don't know. This whole thing is a fiasco.
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But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
You can't see when and where the deliberation happened?
It's boring, but prosecutors always have to explain that deliberation in the statute isn't the deliberation you think of in a lifetime movie, and make sure the jury instructions explain the meaning in the statute. When done adequately, the jury can understand it.
I got premeditation/deliberation for some point in time between stabbing #1 and stabbing #17, even while acknowledging that the first stabbing wasn't premeditated and that I couldn't say which stabbing was the first premeditated one.
This shooting, if the facts are given to the jury as you laid them out, is easy.
The police said the suspect was in the hospital receiving treatment for his injuries. If he was beaten up, I think it is somewhat reasonable to believe that he was not in a state of mind to deliberate anything during the short time period in which this happened.
Do you have an example of a killing that would be second degree murder?
At this point, I'd just blow a peremptory on you if I couldn't find a cause.
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Boom. No correlation between the stop and the burglary.
Yea, then why release the info about the burglary today? I cant think of a way the PD hasnt effed this thing up.
Because the press kept submitting f.o.i.s?
But the press hasnt been submitting F.O. I.s about the shooting? If youre going to release the burglary do it when you release info on the shooting too.
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Boom. No correlation between the stop and the burglary.
Yea, then why release the info about the burglary today? I cant think of a way the PD hasnt effed this thing up.
Because the press kept submitting f.o.i.s?
But the press hasnt been submitting F.O. I.s about the shooting? If youre going to release the burglary do it when you release info on the shooting too.
I thought that should have been the way it was done as well. Don't call a press conference til you've finished your investigation. Have a prepared statement answering probable questions and call it a day
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A correlation between the robbery and the shooting is only relevant to the cop's state of mind. If he thought Brown had just committed a robbery (and was therefore possibly armed) in addition to attacking him, it provides greater justification for shooting him, even if he was trying to escape. If the cop did not stop Brown on suspicion of the shooting, he can't provide this excuse.
However, Brown's thuggish conduct just minutes does provide evidence that was an aggressor who initiated the fight with the cop.
Also, is anyone else's mind just blown that edna is more deferential to the cop in this case than I am?
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But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
You can't see when and where the deliberation happened?
It's boring, but prosecutors always have to explain that deliberation in the statute isn't the deliberation you think of in a lifetime movie, and make sure the jury instructions explain the meaning in the statute. When done adequately, the jury can understand it.
I got premeditation/deliberation for some point in time between stabbing #1 and stabbing #17, even while acknowledging that the first stabbing wasn't premeditated and that I couldn't say which stabbing was the first premeditated one.
This shooting, if the facts are given to the jury as you laid them out, is easy.
The police said the suspect was in the hospital receiving treatment for his injuries. If he was beaten up, I think it is somewhat reasonable to believe that he was not in a state of mind to deliberate anything during the short time period in which this happened.
Do you have an example of a killing that would be second degree murder?
At this point, I'd just blow a peremptory on you if I couldn't find a cause.
So no example of a second degree murder, then?
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A correlation between the robbery and the shooting is only relevant to the cop's state of mind. If he thought Brown had just committed a robbery (and was therefore possibly armed) in addition to attacking him, it provides greater justification for shooting him, even if he was trying to escape. If the cop did not stop Brown on suspicion of the shooting, he can't provide this excuse.
However, Brown's thuggish conduct just minutes does provide evidence that was an aggressor who initiated the fight with the cop.
Also, is anyone else's mind just blown that edna is more deferential to the cop in this case than I am?
Judging by the description of the robbery, I see no reason to assume the kid was armed.
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Yeah, the robbery is hardly relevant. There just isn't any justification for unloading a gun into an unarmed man.
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
I can't speak for anyone else but my doubt about whether or not the robber and Brown were the same guy our if the cops thought they were the same guy comes from this, which I'm not sure how you missed.
On Tuesday, Jackson told me #MichaelBrown was not being questioned as a suspect in a crime when he was stopped. So.....yeah....
9:08am - 15 Aug 14
So if they were there and they aren't sure, if it was him, how can you be?
who is that twitter source?
and lets play with that a little more. "hey you there stop, you're wanted for robbery!" or "hey, guys, can I talk to you for a second? You (insert piddly crime like jaywalking here) back there and just want to talk for a second."
The source is a journalist in StL, Rusty had it linked like two posts after the twitter link in this conversation strand. Did you and chuck both miss it, you both had posts on that page?
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Well, we know brown was a POS human being.
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Yes on edn.
Mike Brown knew he had just committed a crime and probably acted in such a manner. I have no idea why he was walking down the middle of the street. I'm sure an altercation ensued. Who instigated it, I really don't care. I can't wrap my head around losing a fight and them shooting the crap out of someone. I just can't fathom that mindset. It is beyond me.
A lot of idiots asking questions at the press conference, who the eff are those people? A lot of idiots being interviewed in the town of Ferguson as well.
The police department is idiotic in their handling of releasing information. Giving press conferences, etc. All the way around this situation pisses me off.
It seems to me like they are waiting for things to calm down before they announce their findings and things won't calm down until they do. I seriously don't understand how it takes a week to decide whether charges will be filed or not.
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But seriously, the statute says he has to deliberate upon the matter for it to be first degree murder. A situation like this does not meet that criteria.
There are just an astounding number of conflicting reports, but from what I have gathered, the cop shot him once while he was running away, then he put his hands up and said "I'm unarmed, don't shoot!" before the cop shot him a few more times for good measure.
You can't see when and where the deliberation happened?
It's boring, but prosecutors always have to explain that deliberation in the statute isn't the deliberation you think of in a lifetime movie, and make sure the jury instructions explain the meaning in the statute. When done adequately, the jury can understand it.
I got premeditation/deliberation for some point in time between stabbing #1 and stabbing #17, even while acknowledging that the first stabbing wasn't premeditated and that I couldn't say which stabbing was the first premeditated one.
This shooting, if the facts are given to the jury as you laid them out, is easy.
The police said the suspect was in the hospital receiving treatment for his injuries. If he was beaten up, I think it is somewhat reasonable to believe that he was not in a state of mind to deliberate anything during the short time period in which this happened.
Do you have an example of a killing that would be second degree murder?
At this point, I'd just blow a peremptory on you if I couldn't find a cause.
So no example of a second degree murder, then?
You've already been excused. You can get parking validated in the clerk's office.
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Well, we know brown was a POS human being.
There's only heavyweights here kim, you've tried this like five times, it won't work, we are all KC fans. This stuff is fish in a barrel for you on the football and basketball boards, keep it there and don't damage your brand.
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http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/
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https://twitter.com/kyssthis16/status/500303440891744256
:dunno:
:Wha:
Do you honestly believe that wasn't him?
It looks like the same outfit. Yes. I'm more astonished at my ability to have a 1080p video camera for 150 dollars and how cacky that convenience store video is.
Whether it was him or not has no bearing on gunning him down imo.
Couldnt agree more, just saying the people trying to say it wasnt him are as biased as the cops. But no matter what we are all biased in a situation like this. No matter what you think, you bring inherent biases into a situation like this.
I can't speak for anyone else but my doubt about whether or not the robber and Brown were the same guy our if the cops thought they were the same guy comes from this, which I'm not sure how you missed.
On Tuesday, Jackson told me #MichaelBrown was not being questioned as a suspect in a crime when he was stopped. So.....yeah....
9:08am - 15 Aug 14
So if they were there and they aren't sure, if it was him, how can you be?
who is that twitter source?
and lets play with that a little more. "hey you there stop, you're wanted for robbery!" or "hey, guys, can I talk to you for a second? You (insert piddly crime like jaywalking here) back there and just want to talk for a second."
The source is a journalist in StL, Rusty had it linked like two posts after the twitter link in this conversation strand. Did you and chuck both miss it, you both had posts on that page?
No I saw it. Again I think its quite clear its him. But now that the cops are admitting the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting, its mind blowing that they released the info today. I just assumed they would only release that info because it related to the shooting. But i underestimated the stupidity of the Ferguson PD apparently.
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Yes on edn.
Mike Brown knew he had just committed a crime and probably acted in such a manner. I have no idea why he was walking down the middle of the street. I'm sure an altercation ensued. Who instigated it, I really don't care. I can't wrap my head around losing a fight and them shooting the crap out of someone. I just can't fathom that mindset. It is beyond me.
A lot of idiots asking questions at the press conference, who the eff are those people? A lot of idiots being interviewed in the town of Ferguson as well.
The police department is idiotic in their handling of releasing information. Giving press conferences, etc. All the way around this situation pisses me off.
It seems to me like they are waiting for things to calm down before they announce their findings and things won't calm down until they do. I seriously don't understand how it takes a week to decide whether charges will be filed or not.
It's a federal case, it will/should take a minimum of a couple of weeks. They don't behave like local authorities and charge with even the slightest evidence. When the feds get you, they generally cover their asses and they don't lose.
I don't think they were waiting for things to calm down, well maybe they did the first two days, but not after that. I think they were trying to get him hidden but accessible to the feds and coordinating security for his property and potential family in the area.
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Its like the Ferguson Police Chief was watching Fox News and realized they were running out of talking points so he decided to give them more.
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Yes on edn.
Mike Brown knew he had just committed a crime and probably acted in such a manner. I have no idea why he was walking down the middle of the street. I'm sure an altercation ensued. Who instigated it, I really don't care. I can't wrap my head around losing a fight and them shooting the crap out of someone. I just can't fathom that mindset. It is beyond me.
A lot of idiots asking questions at the press conference, who the eff are those people? A lot of idiots being interviewed in the town of Ferguson as well.
The police department is idiotic in their handling of releasing information. Giving press conferences, etc. All the way around this situation pisses me off.
It seems to me like they are waiting for things to calm down before they announce their findings and things won't calm down until they do. I seriously don't understand how it takes a week to decide whether charges will be filed or not.
It's a federal case, it will/should take a minimum of a couple of weeks. They don't behave like local authorities and charge with even the slightest evidence. When the feds get you, they generally cover their asses and they don't lose.
I don't think they were waiting for things to calm down, well maybe they did the first two days, but not after that. I think they were trying to get him hidden but accessible to the feds and coordinating security for his property and potential family in the area.
Are you sure it will be a federal case??
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Well, we know brown was a POS human being.
There's only heavyweights here kim, you've tried this like five times, it won't work, we are all KC fans. This stuff is fish in a barrel for you on the football and basketball boards, keep it there and don't damage your brand.
:lol:
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Yes on edn.
Mike Brown knew he had just committed a crime and probably acted in such a manner. I have no idea why he was walking down the middle of the street. I'm sure an altercation ensued. Who instigated it, I really don't care. I can't wrap my head around losing a fight and them shooting the crap out of someone. I just can't fathom that mindset. It is beyond me.
A lot of idiots asking questions at the press conference, who the eff are those people? A lot of idiots being interviewed in the town of Ferguson as well.
The police department is idiotic in their handling of releasing information. Giving press conferences, etc. All the way around this situation pisses me off.
It seems to me like they are waiting for things to calm down before they announce their findings and things won't calm down until they do. I seriously don't understand how it takes a week to decide whether charges will be filed or not.
It's a federal case, it will/should take a minimum of a couple of weeks. They don't behave like local authorities and charge with even the slightest evidence. When the feds get you, they generally cover their asses and they don't lose.
I don't think they were waiting for things to calm down, well maybe they did the first two days, but not after that. I think they were trying to get him hidden but accessible to the feds and coordinating security for his property and potential family in the area.
Makes sense and I fear that because of this, the determination will be less about justice and more about w/l and of a political nature. I'm going to have to try and disengage from this story until the determination is made.
I am still placing all of my rage at the SLCPD, and not thinking clearly about it as a whole.
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No I saw it. Again I think its quite clear its him. But now that the cops are admitting the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting, its mind blowing that they released the info today. I just assumed they would only release that info because it related to the shooting. But i underestimated the stupidity of the Ferguson PD apparently.
There's a lot that make absolutely no sense. Michael Brown had no record, it seems like essentially stealing cigars out of a store owners hand and then going hand-to-hand combat with a cop are the actions of someone who is quite comfortable with committing crime.
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so the release of the robbery video has pretty interesting timing. Good lord.
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Yes on edn.
Mike Brown knew he had just committed a crime and probably acted in such a manner. I have no idea why he was walking down the middle of the street. I'm sure an altercation ensued. Who instigated it, I really don't care. I can't wrap my head around losing a fight and them shooting the crap out of someone. I just can't fathom that mindset. It is beyond me.
A lot of idiots asking questions at the press conference, who the eff are those people? A lot of idiots being interviewed in the town of Ferguson as well.
The police department is idiotic in their handling of releasing information. Giving press conferences, etc. All the way around this situation pisses me off.
It seems to me like they are waiting for things to calm down before they announce their findings and things won't calm down until they do. I seriously don't understand how it takes a week to decide whether charges will be filed or not.
It's a federal case, it will/should take a minimum of a couple of weeks. They don't behave like local authorities and charge with even the slightest evidence. When the feds get you, they generally cover their asses and they don't lose.
I don't think they were waiting for things to calm down, well maybe they did the first two days, but not after that. I think they were trying to get him hidden but accessible to the feds and coordinating security for his property and potential family in the area.
Are you sure it will be a federal case??
Trim can chime in here but I don't think it is standard for the feds to investigate a case and then hand it off to someone else if they find charges are necessary.
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https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
Someone live tweeted the shooting. Can this be introduced into evidence? halfway serious question.
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https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
Was just about to luke this.
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It's laughable that you guys are outraged about the timing of the release of that video. Like, you're so biased. It happened, they should release it.
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The Governor campaigned against desegregation in '92? wtf?
This is a completely separate issue but i remember being terrified of being bussed when i was in elementary school.
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That live tweet thing is really interesting to me. I trust that more than witness statements, and it basically backed up what the witnesses are saying.
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That live tweet thing is really interesting to me. I trust that more than witness statements, and it basically backed up what the witnesses are saying.
I'm sure the autopsy will corroborate the witnesses, as well.
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this isn't a good look
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-police-officer-not-aware-of-michael-brown-robbery-suspect
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I feel like this is related, but I just heard about this on 96.5 The Buzz. It's so redic! :bang:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/08/12/westlake-mall-cop-ignores-agitator-maces-african-american-bystander-at-israel-protest
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Man reading those live tweets chilled me. I mean, seems pretty reliable, right?
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I feel like this is related, but I just heard about this on 96.5 The Buzz. It's so redic! :bang:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/08/12/westlake-mall-cop-ignores-agitator-maces-african-american-bystander-at-israel-protest
Listen to the audio. All the ppl are telling the cop what a dumbass he is.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BunpIZkCcAE3RWq.jpg)
I think this is just after the shooting. What kind of message does that send?
Doesn't seem like serving and protecting to me.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119102/what-white-st-louis-thinks-about-ferguson
White people are the worst sometimes.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
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I feel like this is related, but I just heard about this on 96.5 The Buzz. It's so redic! :bang:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/08/12/westlake-mall-cop-ignores-agitator-maces-african-american-bystander-at-israel-protest
Listen to the audio. All the ppl are telling the cop what a dumbass he is.
Fine! I'll start my own thread about it. :buh-bye:
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I feel like this is related, but I just heard about this on 96.5 The Buzz. It's so redic! :bang:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/08/12/westlake-mall-cop-ignores-agitator-maces-african-american-bystander-at-israel-protest
Listen to the audio. All the ppl are telling the cop what a dumbass he is.
Fine! I'll start my own thread about it. :buh-bye:
Good, get the hell out of here
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BunpIZkCcAE3RWq.jpg)
I think this is just after the shooting. What kind of message does that send?
Doesn't seem like serving and protecting to me.
am i missing something?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BunpIZkCcAE3RWq.jpg)
I think this is just after the shooting. What kind of message does that send?
Doesn't seem like serving and protecting to me.
am i missing something?
The assault rifle perhaps
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
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oh
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
Yes, and there's probably an even more definitive point in time here, that being after shot 1 in/around/at the car that seems to have been the product of a struggle (it's clearly up for debate who caused that problem), and once that was complete and Brown was running away or already on his knees with his hands up, and the cop thought to himself (deliberated, if you will) "should I shoot this guy dead?"
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Thanks, Trim. That is very helpful. It's all I was asking for, really, and now I can understand your argument. I bolded the part that makes me still think this might be second degree murder, depending on what evidence comes forth. Is the penalty for 2nd degree just really light or something?
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Thanks, Trim. That is very helpful. It's all I was asking for, really, and now I can understand your argument. I bolded the part that makes me still think this might be second degree murder, depending on what evidence comes forth. Is the penalty for 2nd degree just really light or something?
I'd still have already kicked you off the jury, so it would work out fine.
2nd degree is a class A felony, which has a wide spectrum of 10-30 years or life. 1st degree is also a class A, but has a special rule in the statute that the punishment shall be death or imprisonment for life without parole.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119102/what-white-st-louis-thinks-about-ferguson
White people are the worst sometimes.
A lot of eye rolling moments from both the author and the idiots interviewed
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These guys I swear
The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.
Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.
But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true
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These guys I swear
The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.
Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.
But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true
I heard yackety sax in my head while I was reading that.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
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When was deadly force necessary? Hire a better lawyer, imo.
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When was deadly force necessary? Hire a better lawyer, imo.
Yeah, outside of possibly during a physical altercation, the threat was already done
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
If they are trained that way, they shouldn't be.
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Really, everything that has come out of this story has told me that a lot (possibly all) of the St Louis County Police force, chief included, should be on some sort of federal "no guns" list that prevents them from carrying firearms.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
If they are trained that way, they shouldn't be.
:facepalm:
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
He could.
Remember that we're discussing these charges based on the premise that seems to be generally accepted - that at some point cop had living Mike Brown on his knees with his hands up and shot him 4 or so times until he was dead. That still has to get proven up with evidence and testimony. The local cops - one of whom would be the criminal defendant here - have a lot of the evidence and testimony.
A guy choosing to shoot dead another defenseless guy should be 1st degree murder. I'm skeptical that there'll be a trial here that gets that basic point to the jury.
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
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It doesn't help that all of the potential jurors capable of drawing a conclusion like that are sure to get peremptories blown at them.
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
You keep pushing this execution story with ZERO facts. We've already had a sea change because of the new information. Its totally daft to ignore it and push this one dimensional line of cop + gun = dead black kid.
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
You keep pushing this execution story with ZERO facts. We've already had a sea change because of the new information. Its totally daft to ignore it and push this one dimensional line of cop + gun = dead black kid.
eff, I could've saved a lot of typing by just posting "cop + gun = dead black kid" this whole time. T-Y.
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by only firing half the rounds in his magazine the officer showed admirable restraint IMO
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by only firing half the rounds in his magazine* the officer showed admirable restraint IMO
*probably**
**fact
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
You keep pushing this execution story with ZERO facts. We've already had a sea change because of the new information. Its totally daft to ignore it and push this one dimensional line of cop + gun = dead black kid.
eff, I could've saved a lot of typing by just posting "cop + gun = dead black kid" this whole time. T-Y.
Don't be obtuse. This isn't the same shooting today that it was Saturday.
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
You keep pushing this execution story with ZERO facts. We've already had a sea change because of the new information. Its totally daft to ignore it and push this one dimensional line of cop + gun = dead black kid.
eff, I could've saved a lot of typing by just posting "cop + gun = dead black kid" this whole time. T-Y.
Don't be obtuse. This isn't the same shooting today that it was Saturday.
You get the Trim you deserve.
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Not sure why Trim is tossing out tangential cases when people should be looking at the different interpretations of Tenn V. Garner.
And yes, if there was an altercation it could be reasonable for a cop to assume this guy was a threat to the public and other officers. Obviously we don't know the details yet on how far away the shooting occurred and how many hits were made.
Also 8 shots is absolutely a heart beat of time and it means the cop only fired half of what was in his gun (probably).
Well, I guess the readers here can read what you wrote and read what I wrote and think whatever they want.
You keep pushing this execution story with ZERO facts. We've already had a sea change because of the new information. Its totally daft to ignore it and push this one dimensional line of cop + gun = dead black kid.
eff, I could've saved a lot of typing by just posting "cop + gun = dead black kid" this whole time. T-Y.
Don't be obtuse. This isn't the same shooting today that it was Saturday.
You get the Trim you deserve.
Great point, I'll take that as a tap out.
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you are a gigantic moron edna
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you are a gigantic moron edna
yeah because ignoring information which radically changes the situation and being an obtuse condescending jackass is okay.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
He could.
Remember that we're discussing these charges based on the premise that seems to be generally accepted - that at some point cop had living Mike Brown on his knees with his hands up and shot him 4 or so times until he was dead. That still has to get proven up with evidence and testimony. The local cops - one of whom would be the criminal defendant here - have a lot of the evidence and testimony.
A guy choosing to shoot dead another defenseless guy should be 1st degree murder. I'm skeptical that there'll be a trial here that gets that basic point to the jury.
I don't think anyone has accepted your premise other than you.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
If they are trained that way, they shouldn't be.
Get out of here idiot.
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I enjoy it when Trim explains laws so succinctly. My trust is complete.
Real story here. The relationship between the black community, especially majority black communities and cops needs to get turned around pronto. Requiring police, sheriff, etc. to wear cameras, have dash cams is a good start. It will take more from both sides to really solve the problem.
He didn't explain anything, though. He said "deliberation" doesn't mean what it does on a tv movie and gave no explanation whatsoever as to what it does mean in the eyes of the law.
The dictionary definition of "deliberation" is "long and careful consideration or discussion."
:dunno:
What I got from Trim is that somewhere between the altercation, first shot, and subsequent 8 or so shots, there was a point that the cop deliberated whether to stop pumping this dude full of lead or continue. He obviously chose the latter.
How long does it take to squeeze a trigger 8 times, though? I can see why a prosecutor would want to pursue first degree murder, just not why any reasonable person would look at the law and come to the conclusion that it was. It just seems more like a killing in a fit of rage to me than something the officer really thought about before going through with it.
Maybe the statute defines "deliberation" differently than the dictionary, and that would certainly be worth noting, but if it doesn't, first degree murder seems like a big reach to me.
I already know this is a waste of time, but here:
In State v Miller, Justice Robert Ulrich of the Missouri Court of Appeals provided a summary of the criminal law as regards first degree murder and the necessary element of deliberation:
"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter. Deliberation required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief. The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind. A deliberate act is a free act of the will done in furtherance of a formed design to gratify a feeling of revenge or to accomplish some other unlawful purpose and while not under the influence of violent passion suddenly aroused by some provocation. Deliberation may be inferred from the circumstances surrounding the murder."
I obviously can't give you details, but the stabbing example is real, and upheld on appeal. hatingfrancis' wife can vouch for me.
Couldn't the cop or cop's attorney argue that once deadly force is deemed necessary, he is trained to fire until the threat is ended, ie the subject is down?
He could.
Remember that we're discussing these charges based on the premise that seems to be generally accepted - that at some point cop had living Mike Brown on his knees with his hands up and shot him 4 or so times until he was dead. That still has to get proven up with evidence and testimony. The local cops - one of whom would be the criminal defendant here - have a lot of the evidence and testimony.
A guy choosing to shoot dead another defenseless guy should be 1st degree murder. I'm skeptical that there'll be a trial here that gets that basic point to the jury.
I don't think anyone has accepted your premise other than you.
Bingo. (which is why I asked multiple times for info before being snarky)
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If you're too dumb to understand what trim is saying, then I'm not sure that's trim's fault. at a certain point you can't dumb down information even further
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If you're too dumb to understand what trim is saying, then I'm not sure that's trim's fault. at a certain point you can't dumb down information even further
No I understand exactly what he is saying and it was a valid issue 24 hours ago. Today we find out dramatically new information which radically changes the case law which applies in this case. Trim doesn't want to acknowledge how the paradigm of the case has radically shifted.
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If you're too dumb to understand what trim is saying, then I'm not sure that's trim's fault. at a certain point you can't dumb down information even further
No I understand exactly what he is saying and it was a valid issue 24 hours ago. Today we find out dramatically new information which radically changes the case law which applies in this case. Trim doesn't want to acknowledge how the paradigm of the case has radically shifted.
I didn't watch the news past 3 or so. What changed?
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If you're too dumb to understand what trim is saying, then I'm not sure that's trim's fault. at a certain point you can't dumb down information even further
No I understand exactly what he is saying and it was a valid issue 24 hours ago. Today we find out dramatically new information which radically changes the case law which applies in this case. Trim doesn't want to acknowledge how the paradigm of the case has radically shifted.
I didn't watch the news past 3 or so. What changed?
oh sorry, didn't realize the felony issue was a non-issue, carry on.
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:lol:
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Why the :lol: Trim?
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson.
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Why the :lol: Trim?
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson.
It was the emoticon that represented what I did in real life when I read your post.
It's fine for you to have your position that Brown's theft of cigarillos from the convenience store justifies the cop shooting him dead. Go nut with it.
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Why the :lol: Trim?
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson.
It was the emoticon that represented what I did in real life when I read your post.
It's fine for you to have your position that Brown's theft of cigarillos from the convenience store justifies the cop shooting him dead. Go nut with it.
Gee Trim, I never thought of couching my argument there. Tell me, how violent of a felony has to be committed before the fleeing felon rule kicks in? Or maybe you can educate me on how far away the cop was when gunning down this young man, how many hits, or anything useful which prosecutor might use, that we KNOW for sure happened? Because, its almost like I asked you for your opinion on this (or anyone else) pages ago, because it sure seems more and more like this guy thought he was going down for a strong arm robbery, tried to attack and cop, and ended up dead. But I'll let you finish on the whole choir boy thing.
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois).
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois).
i guess it makes sense, but still.
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I've never heard of a fleeing felon rule. You can shoot felons that are running away in MO?
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Bread, thoughts on Trim's deliberation analysis? Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?
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Bread, thoughts on Trim's deliberation analysis? Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?
No
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Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?
No
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That's too bad.
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I've never heard of a fleeing felon rule. You can shoot felons that are running away in MO?
Just the ones with deadly cigarillos.
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois).
i guess it makes sense, but still.
robbery in the 2nd degree.
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Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?
No
That's too bad.
[/quote]people should be more concerned with distance and number of hits.
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
He assaulted the shopkeeper, too. He clearly was a bad person. He didn't deserve to die, though.
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is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony? it shouldn't be if it is.
He assaulted the shopkeeper, too. He clearly was a bad person. He didn't deserve to die, though.
Yes, the guy is clearly a rough ridin' a-hole and honestly, ferguson is better off without him. that argument won't hold up in court though.
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Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?
No
That's too bad.
people should be more concerned with distance and number of hits.
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If he has wounds in the front and back, that will support all of the witness testimony. I don't know how you could support the cop at that point.
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Edn, did you miss the chief say that cop that shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery? I'm very confused why you keep bringing it up. How is the felony (even though it isn't one, certainly wouldn't have been one if Brown got arrested that day) a factor if the cop didn't know if he committed the crime? The only change in act 2 of this play is the credibility Johnson, and that really hasn't changed if he was forthright with the feds when he talked to them.
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Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?
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Earlier today we wondered why Dorian Johnson was not charged, after seeing the video do we all agree that he shouldn't have been charged? All he did on the video was put the swisher sweets back on the counter. Also as to his credibility, his attorney said Johnson did tell the FBI and DOJ about Brown committing theft.
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Yes.
Too me the most damning thing so far is that guy that tweeted about it from his patio. Granted, I know nothing about his character and whether or not that could be shredded on the stand. But seemed to be an unbiased witness.
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Earlier today we wondered why Dorian Johnson was not charged, after seeing the video do we all agree that he shouldn't have been charged? All he did on the video was put the swisher sweets back on the counter. Also as to his credibility, his attorney said Johnson did tell the FBI and DOJ about Brown committing theft.
Well, the guy who robbed that old man with his pregnant girlfriend that got shot by the old man was charged with murder sooooo...
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Edn, did you miss the chief say that cop that shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery? I'm very confused why you keep bringing it up. How is the felony (even though it isn't one, certainly wouldn't have been one if Brown got arrested that day) a factor if the cop didn't know if he committed the crime? The only change in act 2 of this play is the credibility Johnson, and that really hasn't changed if he was forthright with the feds when he talked to them.
The problem is that Brown knew he was a suspect in a felony. Not sure why you are even debating whether or not its a felony, because its a class C. Brown didn't know if the cop was "approaching" him for j walking or the felony he JUST committed. Now those are the facts of the interaction, in addition to the fact that the cop didn't know about the other crime. But lets take that info and look at it logically. We have a suspect, who knows he just committed a crime. Would it be logical for the suspect to assume the cop is approaching him about that felony or about j walking? Would the reaction of a criminal be different if they could reasonable infer the cop was stopping them for a felony or for a bullshit ticket?
link for statue in case you wanted to double check:
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5690000170.htm
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Dudes, that video came out of Brown shoving a store clerk, or that he may have stolen some blunt wraps doesn't really matter. It wouldn't matter if Brown had stolen the cigs, shoved the clerk, rubbed his junk on some kid on the way out, and then ran over a gas pump on his way out. Once -- regardless of a scuffle with the cop -- the first shot was fired, when he ran then knelt and raised his hands, then the cop pumped him full of more lead the situation is the same.
The cop still decided to continue to empty bullets into the dude's body.
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Dudes, that video came out of Brown shoving a store clerk, or that he may have stolen some blunt wraps doesn't really matter. It wouldn't matter if Brown had stolen the cigs, shoved the clerk, rubbed his junk on some kid on the way out, and then ran over a gas pump on his way out. Once -- regardless of a scuffle with the cop -- the first shot was fired, when he ran then knelt and raised his hands, then the cop pumped him full of more lead the situation is the same.
The cop still decided to continue to empty bullets into the dude's body.
I'll ask again, where is anyone getting that from? His accomplice? Has there been any reputable news agency reporting this as fact and not conjecture from the crowd? Any "leaks" or source?
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For a thread which continuously says they are dealing in facts and not conjecture, we sure are willing to jump to the moon to support the cop as executioner theory.
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I'm going with eyewitness twitter bro.
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For a thread which continuously says they are dealing in facts and not conjecture, we sure are willing to jump to the moon to support the cop as executioner theory.
Nobody speaks for the thread idiot (except for me obviously and I haven't spoken)
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For a thread which continuously says they are dealing in facts and not conjecture, we sure are willing to jump to the moon to support the cop as executioner theory.
Nobody speaks for the thread idiot (except for me obviously and I haven't spoken)
than why do people keep bringing up the cop killed an unarmed, non-aggressive teen talking point? MiR has been the most level about holding back on conjecture from what I've seen. Everyone else's square one is cop killed unarmed teen who was surrendering or didn't pose an immediate threat.
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Ask them, or point out their flaws, whatever. Don't blame the thread or board for your inability to convince them though.
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Ask them, or point out their flaws, whatever. Don't blame the thread or board for your inability to convince them though.
Would you like me to point out all the requests? I'm not blaming the thread for anything, I just don't like being attacked for stuff which people are saying they aren't doing (jumping to conclusions). But I'll....tone it down I guess? I would just like to see people frame stuff as their opinion and not get mad when its questioned with legitimate facts.
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I think they got into a physical confrontation. No idea who started it. Kid gets shot once during the scuffle, breaks away, cop guns him down from 35 feet away. On his knees or not is irrelevant to me.
I do take some stock in twitter bros account.
I'm guessing the cop got his ass whooped and killed Brown because of it. I think that is wrong. I think that is terrible, as I said earlier in this thread. I can't imagine losing a fight and then gunning a guy down. I can't imagine that mindset. I just can't.
I'll wait for more facts before I decide whether the cop should be convicted or not of something. Regardless, the cop murdered Brown in my eyes because Brown beat his ass. I'd be a terrible juror, I know this.
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I think they got into a physical confrontation. No idea who started it. Kid gets shot once during the scuffle, breaks away, cop guns him down from 35 feet away. On his knees or not is irrelevant to me.
I do take some stock in twitter bros account.
I'm guessing the cop got his ass whooped and killed Brown because of it. I think that is wrong. I think that is terrible, as I said earlier in this thread. I can't imagine losing a fight and then gunning a guy down. I can't imagine that mindset. I just can't.
I'll wait for more facts before I decide whether the cop should be convicted or not of something. Regardless, the cop murdered Brown in my eyes because Brown beat his ass. I'd be a terrible juror, I know this.
I think you would be a fine juror. The only thing that would change my mind would be an autopsy that shows that none of the shots were in the back and that all of them were at close range. That would refute most of what we have been led to believe. Otherwise, the important facts are all out there.
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I think they got into a physical confrontation. No idea who started it. Kid gets shot once during the scuffle, breaks away, cop guns him down from 35 feet away. On his knees or not is irrelevant to me.
I do take some stock in twitter bros account.
I'm guessing the cop got his ass whooped and killed Brown because of it. I think that is wrong. I think that is terrible, as I said earlier in this thread. I can't imagine losing a fight and then gunning a guy down. I can't imagine that mindset. I just can't.
I'll wait for more facts before I decide whether the cop should be convicted or not of something. Regardless, the cop murdered Brown in my eyes because Brown beat his ass. I'd be a terrible juror, I know this.
Which could very well be how it happened. I would only like to see the timeline of events. I would like to know if the cop has any injuries and how severe. The necessary info, which I've mentioned before, is the placement of shots.
For argument's sake, what if they cop has a broken face from an altercation, leaning against his car and the Brown backs off to 10 ft. Multiple shots, hit front, and some hit in the back as the guy falls. Does that sound like murder to people? I just don't like the rush to judgement that this was a murder with so few facts available.
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I think they got into a physical confrontation. No idea who started it. Kid gets shot once during the scuffle, breaks away, cop guns him down from 35 feet away. On his knees or not is irrelevant to me.
I do take some stock in twitter bros account.
I'm guessing the cop got his ass whooped and killed Brown because of it. I think that is wrong. I think that is terrible, as I said earlier in this thread. I can't imagine losing a fight and then gunning a guy down. I can't imagine that mindset. I just can't.
I'll wait for more facts before I decide whether the cop should be convicted or not of something. Regardless, the cop murdered Brown in my eyes because Brown beat his ass. I'd be a terrible juror, I know this.
Which could very well be how it happened. I would only like to see the timeline of events. I would like to know if the cop has any injuries and how severe. The necessary info, which I've mentioned before, is the placement of shots.
For argument's sake, what if they cop has a broken face from an altercation, leaning against his car and the Brown backs off to 10 ft. Multiple shots, hit front, and some hit in the back as the guy falls. Does that sound like murder to people? I just don't like the rush to judgement that this was a murder with so few facts available.
It's too late for me to get into this, I'm tired. That's a brief summation of my views at this moment. Perhaps tomorrow, we can continue our dialogue.
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I think they got into a physical confrontation. No idea who started it. Kid gets shot once during the scuffle, breaks away, cop guns him down from 35 feet away. On his knees or not is irrelevant to me.
I do take some stock in twitter bros account.
I'm guessing the cop got his ass whooped and killed Brown because of it. I think that is wrong. I think that is terrible, as I said earlier in this thread. I can't imagine losing a fight and then gunning a guy down. I can't imagine that mindset. I just can't.
I'll wait for more facts before I decide whether the cop should be convicted or not of something. Regardless, the cop murdered Brown in my eyes because Brown beat his ass. I'd be a terrible juror, I know this.
I think you would be a fine juror. The only thing that would change my mind would be an autopsy that shows that none of the shots were in the back and that all of them were at close range. That would refute most of what we have been led to believe. Otherwise, the important facts are all out there.
I'm just saying if it did go down the way I said and the law says the cop was justified because he felt the lives of others or himself were still in danger at 35 feet away, I'd still convict because I'd think that cop was an idiot.
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General question here, if i wrestle for a cops gun in his car and then get spooked and run away while he shouts stop or i'll shoot, am I good to go?
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Dudes, that video came out of Brown shoving a store clerk, or that he may have stolen some blunt wraps doesn't really matter. It wouldn't matter if Brown had stolen the cigs, shoved the clerk, rubbed his junk on some kid on the way out, and then ran over a gas pump on his way out. Once -- regardless of a scuffle with the cop -- the first shot was fired, when he ran then knelt and raised his hands, then the cop pumped him full of more lead the situation is the same.
The cop still decided to continue to empty bullets into the dude's body.
I'll ask again, where is anyone getting that from? His accomplice? Has there been any reputable news agency reporting this as fact and not conjecture from the crowd? Any "leaks" or source?
Nearly everyone has alluded to this as the generally agreed upon chain of events, and said as much. They've also said that if this chain of events comes out as false that it would change things considerably. No one is arguing that we know these things as fact, but using the law on the assumption that this chain of events is true.
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How many feet do i have to get away from the cop to be ollie oxen free?
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Is there some deal where I have to wait for the cop to switch to rubber bullets, and then resume running
'Cuz I want this to be fair where I don't die and the cop doesn't go to prison.
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This thread needs some heinballz, then we can really pit it up.
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None of these questions are toward you Trim, 'cuz God knows I don't want Steve dave coming
down on me.
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This thread needs some heinballz, then we can really pit it up.
what does the heinballz signal look like? a broken mig weld?
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Looks like the SWAT teams are back!
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Reilly is a pretty good follow right now.
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly
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This thread needs some heinballz, then we can really pit it up.
what does the heinballz signal look like? a broken mig weld?
shame yourself thread, but i don't get it
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General question here, if i wrestle for a cops gun in his car and then get spooked and run away while he shouts stop or i'll shoot, am I good to go?
Nope, you get death by firing squad in the street.
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None of these questions are toward you Trim, 'cuz God knows I don't want Steve dave coming
down on me.
Never heard of you, while edn is 1) the guy I remember as hating Pullen or Beasley or both and 2) this thread.
It sounds like you're asking about the fleeing felon stuff.
Here's the case along with a really brief synopsis.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=471&invol=1
http://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/criminal-law/criminal-law-keyed-to-lafave/justification-and-excuse/tennessee-v-garner-4/
It's not so much a "capture the bad guy who's running away by shooting him" thing, but a "prevent a known or reasonably believed danger" thing.
So in the scenario that's been presented, with Brown down and defeated and not a danger, and then shot dead, I don't see the fleeing felon concept applying.
Obviously if the facts aren't that, things change. Realize that the debate about murder and degrees stemmed from RATM saying the presented scenario wouldn't be 1st degree murder and me and others pointing out why it would. That's been spun to us saying that this is 1st degree murder right now no matter what facts are given to a jury, even though I've made it pretty clear that everything is contingent on what's presented to a jury and how, and that I don't think that will happen sufficiently no matter what the facts actually were.
But for current argument's sake and the court of public opinion, you can infer a lot from how the Ferguson cops are trying to get over on everyone, as if a bunch of $30K/year cops who've already demonstrated a lot of stupidity are gonna outwit anyone.
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General question here, if i wrestle for a cops gun in his car and then get spooked and run away while he shouts stop or i'll shoot, am I good to go?
Nope, you get death by firing squad in the street.
Yes, we should let anyone eff with law enforcement however they want with no reprocussions whatsoever. You know you're a major contributer to society when the only thing you have to do all day is light buildings on fire and loot neighborhood stores. Personally I think they should just open fire and get rid of some more worthless rough ridin' mouthbreathers.
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Welp, it wasn't heinballz, but that should do it.
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General question here, if i wrestle for a cops gun in his car and then get spooked and run away while he shouts stop or i'll shoot, am I good to go?
Nope, you get death by firing squad in the street.
Yes, we should let anyone eff with law enforcement however they want with no reprocussions whatsoever. You know you're a major contributer to society when the only thing you have to do all day is light buildings on fire and loot neighborhood stores. Personally I think they should just open fire and get rid of some more worthless rough ridin' mouthbreathers.
Are you responding to my post? Because you can't read if so.
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The cop is doing time and I'll bet he enters a plea.
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General question here, if i wrestle for a cops gun in his car and then get spooked and run away while he shouts stop or i'll shoot, am I good to go?
Nope, you get death by firing squad in the street.
Yes, we should let anyone eff with law enforcement however they want with no reprocussions whatsoever. You know you're a major contributer to society when the only thing you have to do all day is light buildings on fire and loot neighborhood stores. Personally I think they should just open fire and get rid of some more worthless rough ridin' mouthbreathers.
You're either an awful Kim carnes wannabe or you are as awful a person as you are a Royals fan
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By the end of this the "peaceful protestors" will have vindicated/validated the actions of the Ferguson PD
Pathetic.
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By the end of this the "peaceful protestors" will have vindicated/validated the actions of the Ferguson PD
Pathetic.
How do you vindicate murder?
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By the end of this the "peaceful protestors" will have vindicated/validated the actions of the Ferguson PD
Pathetic.
How do you vindicate murder?
I was referring to the "martial law".
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Chicken v egg IMO
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I don't understand why these huge stud cops who like to play army don't stop the looting?
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
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http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
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http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/
damn dude.
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
Yeah, maybe he could have asked pretty please, but saying "get the eff on the sidewalk" doesn't seem that terrible to me, and I could easily see a cop saying the same to me. That's a police culture problem, not a profiling issue. Attributing things like that to profiling undermines when actual profiling occurs (like the article you shared)
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What a clusterfuck this is gonna be.
Wilson has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting. St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch said it could be weeks before the investigation wraps up.
St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley asked Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster on Friday to take over the case, saying he did not believe McCulloch could be objective. Koster said Missouri law does not allow it unless McCulloch opts out, and McCulloch spokesman Ed Magee said the prosecutor has no plans to surrender the case.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article1238184.html#storylink=cpy
Dooley seeks special prosecutor in Ferguson case
St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley will lead an effort to appoint a special prosecutor to handle the case involving an officer who shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown.
Dooley spoke with Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster today and asked the process to remove St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch from the case. Tension has mounted over the county's handling of the situation. McCulloch fought back on Thursday, criticizing a state effort that replaced county police handling protests in Ferguson.
"The county executive believes Bob McCulloch is biased and shouldn't handle this case," said Pat Washington, Dooley's spokeswoman.
The process isn't easy. Dooley doesn't have the power to remove McCulloch. Washington said he must obtain signatures and petition a judge for the removal.
Attorney General Chris Koster said Friday that he had received a request from Dooley to assume responsibility for the Ferguson case. But, Koster said, "state law provides no authority for the attorney general or the governor to remove or transfer a criminal case from an elected county prosecutor."
By law, a court can appoint a special prosecutor when the county prosecutor is related to the defendant or has another conflict of interest, such as by having represented someone involved in the case.
A prosecutor also can ask the state for help handling the case. The governor then could appoint the attorney general to provide investigative and prosecutorial assistance. But the local prosecutor would retain decision-making authority over the case, Koster said.
Dooley and McCulloch have been at odds. McCulloch pulled his support for Dooley's re-election effort last year and campaigned heavily for his opponent, Steve Stenger. For most of this summer, Stenger ran television ads prominently featuring McCulloch criticizing Dooley's leadership and alleging corruption in the county.
- Nick Pistor and Virginia Young, 2:45 p.m.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-stopped-michael-brown-for-walking-in-street-but/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html?mobile_touch=true
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It's pretty amazing that incidents like this aren't handled by different institutions
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
Yeah, maybe he could have asked pretty please, but saying "get the eff on the sidewalk" doesn't seem that terrible to me, and I could easily see a cop saying the same to me. That's a police culture problem, not a profiling issue. Attributing things like that to profiling undermines when actual profiling occurs (like the article you shared)
cops in leawood aren't going to be telling blue valley kids to "get the eff on the sidewalk"...
perhaps i shouldn't have used the word "profiling" in that case. but just as in the article, the same attitude toward black youth was present.
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Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
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Ferguson should allocate some of their tank money to having a good post-tank spokesperson. This is not what this guy went to police academy with tackleberry for.
http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/08/ferguson-police-chief-officers-who
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
Yeah, maybe he could have asked pretty please, but saying "get the eff on the sidewalk" doesn't seem that terrible to me, and I could easily see a cop saying the same to me. That's a police culture problem, not a profiling issue. Attributing things like that to profiling undermines when actual profiling occurs (like the article you shared)
cops in leawood aren't going to be telling blue valley kids to "get the eff on the sidewalk"...
perhaps i shouldn't have used the word "profiling" in that case. but just as in the article, the same attitude toward black youth was present.
Correct, they wouldn't be saying it to kids of any color in leawood. Leawood has a much different police culture than say kck. Some of that can be attributed to the horrible crap lower income areas see everyday compared to the leawoods. Kck cops are jaded, leawood cops are bored.
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None of these questions are toward you Trim, 'cuz God knows I don't want Steve dave coming
down on me.
Never heard of you, while edn is 1) the guy I remember as hating Pullen or Beasley or both and 2) this thread.
It sounds like you're asking about the fleeing felon stuff.
Here's the case along with a really brief synopsis.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=471&invol=1
http://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/criminal-law/criminal-law-keyed-to-lafave/justification-and-excuse/tennessee-v-garner-4/
It's not so much a "capture the bad guy who's running away by shooting him" thing, but a "prevent a known or reasonably believed danger" thing.
So in the scenario that's been presented, with Brown down and defeated and not a danger, and then shot dead, I don't see the fleeing felon concept applying.
Obviously if the facts aren't that, things change. Realize that the debate about murder and degrees stemmed from RATM saying the presented scenario wouldn't be 1st degree murder and me and others pointing out why it would. That's been spun to us saying that this is 1st degree murder right now no matter what facts are given to a jury, even though I've made it pretty clear that everything is contingent on what's presented to a jury and how, and that I don't think that will happen sufficiently no matter what the facts actually were.
But for current argument's sake and the court of public opinion, you can infer a lot from how the Ferguson cops are trying to get over on everyone, as if a bunch of $30K/year cops who've already demonstrated a lot of stupidity are gonna outwit anyone.
Nice cop out since you know you're wrong. Way to catch up a day or two after you've convicted the cop based on accomplice accounts.
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:lol:
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
Yeah, maybe he could have asked pretty please, but saying "get the eff on the sidewalk" doesn't seem that terrible to me, and I could easily see a cop saying the same to me. That's a police culture problem, not a profiling issue. Attributing things like that to profiling undermines when actual profiling occurs (like the article you shared)
cops in leawood aren't going to be telling blue valley kids to "get the eff on the sidewalk"...
perhaps i shouldn't have used the word "profiling" in that case. but just as in the article, the same attitude toward black youth was present.
Correct, they wouldn't be saying it to kids of any color in leawood. Leawood has a much different police culture than say kck. Some of that can be attributed to the horrible crap lower income areas see everyday compared to the leawoods. Kck cops are jaded, leawood cops are bored.
Unfortunately in too many neighborhoods there is a viscous cycle of fear and stereotyping between police forces and the communities they are supposed to protect. Add some poor leadership to those police forces and a few really bad (or corrupted) officers and it becomes a ticking time bomb for just what we've seen this past week. Then when something bad does happen, the first reaction from the police is some sort of poorly communicated attempt at self preservation which only makes things worse.
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Hey guys can we get back to the real crime of jaywalking here?
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/ (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/16/nfl-player-david-bass-ferguson-racial-profiling/)
this is a great read.
and i think it speaks volumes that the cop apparently did not consider them suspects when he ordered them onto the sidewalk. it seems like basic profiling and bullying imo. i worked and coached in kck schools for 5 years and in low income areas it's beyond commonplace for people of all ages, especially kids, to walk in the street.
No offense j-dubfriend, but that's just stupid. Walking in the street is a safety issue. Telling a kid to get on the sidewalk (one of my only "run in's" with police was for something similar) isn't profiling in the least, no matter how common the practice might be in certain areas.
it wasn't that he told them to get on the sidewalk, it was the manner in which he did it..
Yeah, maybe he could have asked pretty please, but saying "get the eff on the sidewalk" doesn't seem that terrible to me, and I could easily see a cop saying the same to me. That's a police culture problem, not a profiling issue. Attributing things like that to profiling undermines when actual profiling occurs (like the article you shared)
cops in leawood aren't going to be telling blue valley kids to "get the eff on the sidewalk"...
perhaps i shouldn't have used the word "profiling" in that case. but just as in the article, the same attitude toward black youth was present.
Correct, they wouldn't be saying it to kids of any color in leawood. Leawood has a much different police culture than say kck. Some of that can be attributed to the horrible crap lower income areas see everyday compared to the leawoods. Kck cops are jaded, leawood cops are bored.
Unfortunately in too many neighborhoods there is a viscous cycle of fear and stereotyping between police forces and the communities they are supposed to protect. Add some poor leadership to those police forces and a few really bad (or corrupted) officers and it becomes a ticking time bomb for just what we've seen this past week. Then when something bad does happen, the first reaction from the police is some sort of poorly communicated attempt at self preservation which only makes things worse.
Very well stated
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
I'll convict Wilson off that
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
I'll convict Wilson off that
I thought we had moved on to sentencing already?
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:lol:
:lol:
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My feelz tell me Trim should seek to be legal council for ISIS. It really is the best way to ensure law and order.....mmmmmm feeeeelllllzzzzzz
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My feelz tell me Trim should seek to be legal council for ISIS. It really is the best way to ensure law and order.....mmmmmm feeeeelllllzzzzzz
It's counsel, Joe Davis.
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My feelz tell me Trim should seek to be legal council for ISIS. It really is the best way to ensure law and order.....mmmmmm feeeeelllllzzzzzz
It's counsel, Joe Davis.
oh no my entire point is invalidated!!!! :sdeek: you're so tricky with your legal technicalities.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fx2.fjcdn.com%2Fcomments%2Fquot%2BGameYield%2Bquot%2B_db28bf419114594051ce2dc0ec5ed7fb.jpg&hash=f6919460e879079d99f747cb483479af742c981e)
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the live tweeting neighbor said 2 shots as he was running away and 7 after he turned with his hands up if i remember correctly.
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
I'll convict Wilson off that
I thought we had moved on to sentencing already?
Sentencing will be handled in St. Louis county lockup
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the live tweeting neighbor said 2 shots as he was running away and 7 after he turned with his hands up if i remember correctly.
which lines up pretty well with the officer's reported side of the story. Shot(s), guy runs, is ordered to stop, turns and goes at the cop.
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Has the long cut of the surveillance video been posted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbsiFFPPdW4&feature=youtu.be
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So he shot him twice in the back. Will he actually try a self defense theory? I guess he has to
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
I'll convict Wilson off that
I thought we had moved on to sentencing already?
Sentencing will be handled in St. Louis county lockup
I heard OBAMA was forcing a change of venue to Compton to ensure a fair sentencing.
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So how many of the wounds were in the back?
All of them minus the head shot /trim
I'll convict Wilson off that
I thought we had moved on to sentencing already?
Sentencing will be handled in St. Louis county lockup
I heard OBAMA was forcing a change of venue to Compton to ensure a fair sentencing.
Man, Obama is a huge stud
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the live tweeting neighbor said 2 shots as he was running away and 7 after he turned with his hands up if i remember correctly.
which lines up pretty well with the officer's reported side of the story. Shot(s), guy runs, is ordered to stop, turns and goes at the cop.
um. no.
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I will absolutely laugh in anyone's face that suggests a kid who is shot at while running away is going to turn around and go after the shooter
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the live tweeting neighbor said 2 shots as he was running away and 7 after he turned with his hands up if i remember correctly.
which lines up pretty well with the officer's reported side of the story. Shot(s), guy runs, is ordered to stop, turns and goes at the cop.
um. no.
oh sorry, we inly believe the assistant to the robbery. My bad.
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
for reals that this cop shot Brown 37 times in the back +1 head shot while he was kneeling, yeah totally. Twitter said so.
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Always thought Edna was an ultra liberal piece of crap, to find out he is also a bloodthirsty piece of crap is kind of disappointing, but dax and K-S-U! have to feel like kings now
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
He is just obviously close to a cop or something and has lost all ability to comprehend any situation in which the cop was in the wrong when shooting an unarmed teenager.
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Always thought Edna was an ultra liberal piece of crap, to find out he is also a bloodthirsty piece of crap is kind of disappointing, but dax and K-S-U! have to feel like kings now
Huh. I think I've been pretty fair to Brown / skeptical of the officer's shooting in this thread. I'd like to see more evidence before convicting the guy, but I'm skeptical.
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Always thought Edna was an ultra liberal piece of crap, to find out he is also a bloodthirsty piece of crap is kind of disappointing, but dax and K-S-U! have to feel like kings now
Huh. I think I've been pretty fair to Brown / skeptical of the officer's shooting in this thread. I'd like to see more evidence before convicting the guy, but I'm skeptical.
You're very good/consistent. I just meant typical Pit enemies...
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
He is just obviously close to a cop or something and has lost all ability to comprehend any situation in which the cop was in the wrong when shooting an unarmed teenager.
sooo wanting more info (really any info) before convicting this cop means I'm bias? Tell me how many punches need to be landed before a cop can use force of any kind?
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A piece with a very interesting account of the racial issues in the area, enhancement, and expression of frustration.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119106/ferguson-missouris-complicated-history-poverty-and-racial-tension
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
He is just obviously close to a cop or something and has lost all ability to comprehend any situation in which the cop was in the wrong when shooting an unarmed teenager.
sooo wanting more info (really any info) before convicting this cop means I'm bias? Tell me how many punches need to be landed before a cop can use force of any kind?
1. None of us can convict the cop so don't act like we are making life or death calls on here
2. No one said anywhere police can't protect themselves so that poorly stated portion of your post can be ignored. Just how much force needs to be used as the kid runs the other direction? Hint: its not deadly force
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Curfew outta work great
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
:dunno:
No, everyone will remember ednksu's dumbassery in this thread every time he posts in another thread. Best for him to just delete his account and start over.
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Is this ednksu guy for real, bruhs?
He is just obviously close to a cop or something and has lost all ability to comprehend any situation in which the cop was in the wrong when shooting an unarmed teenager.
sooo wanting more info (really any info) before convicting this cop means I'm bias? Tell me how many punches need to be landed before a cop can use force of any kind?
1. None of us can convict the cop so don't act like we are making life or death calls on here
2. No one said anywhere police can't protect themselves so that poorly stated portion of your post can be ignored. Just how much force needs to be used as the kid runs the other direction? Hint: its not deadly force
1) oh I was under the impression that goEMAW was the arbiter of guilt and innocence. Or I was poking at the absurdity of people debating betweeen the various manslaughters and murder charges which this cop would surely be convicted of before seeing ANY credible evidence. Really settle down with the parochial words of caution since I think most people realize we're just discussing things, although some could use a bit more perspective when advocating their side.
2) my point here is that this story has seen a dramatic change in a very short time. Instead of backing off the choir boy routine people are doubling down on the over use of force instead of focusing on the SES issues in this community and the number of negative police interactions after the shooting. These are the real issues in this story, for me, at this point. Because we cannot know how justified the use of force was until we have evidence rather than conjecture. Ill try to make these points a bit more clearly instead of my obviously facetious posting.
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
Son of a bitch may have stole some cigars too!
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
Son of a bitch may have stole some cigars too!
only a rube takes that stance. Be better than that.
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
Son of a bitch may have stole some cigars too!
only a rube takes that stance. Be better than that.
After your jaywalking quip I thought it was time to say dumb crap
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How about you just wait til all the facts come out then, edn? Come back and post in here when they do...
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
Son of a bitch may have stole some cigars too!
only a rube takes that stance. Be better than that.
After your jaywalking quip I thought it was time to say dumb crap
obviously facetious posts versus real posts, be better in rasing the discourses.
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Find the word choirboy anywhere in this thread
you'll only find that phrase from me. But id be willing to bet many have talked about brown being an unarmed youth who was only trying to surrender for his j walking ticket when he was viciously gunned down.
Son of a bitch may have stole some cigars too!
only a rube takes that stance. Be better than that.
After your jaywalking quip I thought it was time to say dumb crap
obviously facetious posts versus real posts, be better in rasing the discourses.
:facepalm:
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Call people out for rough ridin' around. Wait for legit reponse and eff around....
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Call people out for rough ridin' around. Wait for legit reponse and eff around....
Going to need more information
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Did you read my last article? If you haven't you should.
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crap gonna go down again tonight?
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How about you just wait til all the facts come out then, edn? Come back and post in here when they do...
:frown: I rather enjoyed your comments last night, especially since you weren't rushing to judgement.
Plus I hate :impatient:
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Did you read my last article? If you haven't you should.
Just did. Well written but not sure what the takeaway is. There are Fergusons in every major metro in America.
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Did you read my last article? If you haven't you should.
Just did. Well written but not sure what the takeaway is. There are Fergusons in every major metro in America.
First I would say that not everyone is that well educated. People miss the SES situation that many urban youths face. I would also note the suspicion which the one woman approached a benevolent candidate. One thing which stuck out to me is how living memories are working in towns like this. Where a generation or two older looks at the white middle class families that stayed with caution. Its an interesting dichotomy. One parallel which sparked in my head was Hurricane Katrina and the rumors that the gov had flooded the lower wards intentionally because those rumors were built on living memories of the government flooding the lower wards in previous emergencies to save the white/affluent parts of town.
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How about you just wait til all the facts come out then, edn? Come back and post in here when they do...
:frown: I rather enjoyed your comments last night, especially since you weren't rushing to judgement.
Plus I hate :impatient:
And I think most people itt have views similar to mine on the situation. I think most are past the burglary, so you can throw that out if you want to continue itt. Most agree there was an altercation. Most agree Brown assaulted the police officer and that the officer responded in kind or vice versa depending upon who started it. Most are ok with the officer shooting him once, which is what the police are saying happened at close range. Brown is still alive. I THINK most agree with this or are ok with this scenario. Where it changes is the shots fired after and the events that lead to it. I'll let others speak for themselves.
I feel that there was no reason for additional gun fire. "I don't fault him for that initial shot." Of course I will change my mind if evidence shows that the cop started the physical interaction.
The officer killed a guy guilty of stealing cigars and assaulting a police officer (I don't give five fucks about the law, the cop is a man is a man). So the officer killed a guy that stole cigars, pushed someone, and beat him up. As a man, I can't fathom any of that as evidence to shoot someone til they are dead. It takes someone with an inferiority complex or someone who feels they are responsible for carrying out justice on their own. His job is to arrest and submit evidence. The DA, etc, is responsible for justice.
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Also the amount of shots fired (more than 1 that land) leads me to believe that the cop was one or all of these: a giant bad person dick, a man who had his pride ruined, and a man with thoughts of carrying out justice on his own.
The cops own story involves a shot at close range and more at 35 feet. That's all I need to know.
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White people on facebook are loving the crap out of this guy:
http://alfonzorachel.com/2057/want-justice-gin-juice-hair-extensions-rims-democrats#sthash.WkilvkPI.gbpl
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:emawkid:
Also the amount of shots fired (more than 1 that land) leads me to believe that the cop was one or all of these: a giant bad person dick, a man who had his pride ruined, and a man with thoughts of carrying out justice on his own.
The cops own story involves a shot at close range and more at 35 feet. That's all I need to know.
I have issue with people complaining about shots fired in many cases. Ive offered to let people shoot my weapons to just to see how quickly 8 rounds can be fired. Most radically underestimate it. I my issue here is out of being a bit of a responsible gun advocate.
To the majority of your last two posts, I've tried to reserve judgement on the overshoot issue, hits front or back, etc till we get official word. I mean its a night and day difference between the alleged cop's account and the witness accounts, honestly the difference between a legitimate taking of life and something much more nefarious. You've presented your views succinctly with honest opinion without the hyperbole of others and I appreciate that.
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:cheers:
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:emawkid:Also the amount of shots fired (more than 1 that land) leads me to believe that the cop was one or all of these: a giant bad person dick, a man who had his pride ruined, and a man with thoughts of carrying out justice on his own.
The cops own story involves a shot at close range and more at 35 feet. That's all I need to know.
I have issue with people complaining about shots fired in many cases. Ive offered to let people shoot my weapons to just to see how quickly 8 rounds can be fired. Most radically underestimate it. I my issue here is out of being a bit of a responsible gun advocate.
You don't sound like a very responsible gun advocate.
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And I think most people itt have views similar to mine on the situation. I think most are past the burglary, so you can throw that out if you want to continue itt. Most agree there was an altercation. Most agree Brown assaulted the police officer and that the officer responded in kind or vice versa depending upon who started it. Most are ok with the officer shooting him once, which is what the police are saying happened at close range. Brown is still alive. I THINK most agree with this or are ok with this scenario. Where it changes is the shots fired after and the events that lead to it. I'll let others speak for themselves.
I feel that there was no reason for additional gun fire. "I don't fault him for that initial shot." Of course I will change my mind if evidence shows that the cop started the physical interaction.
The officer killed a guy guilty of stealing cigars and assaulting a police officer (I don't give five fucks about the law, the cop is a man is a man). So the officer killed a guy that stole cigars, pushed someone, and beat him up. As a man, I can't fathom any of that as evidence to shoot someone til they are dead. It takes someone with an inferiority complex or someone who feels they are responsible for carrying out justice on their own. His job is to arrest and submit evidence. The DA, etc, is responsible for justice.
You may very well be right, but you also need to recognize that it's very easy for you to offer this critique as a guy who wasn't just violently assaulted. Even the eye witnesses were passive observers, and you can't discount the notion that it's possible they viewed things through somewhat anti-cop glasses. So far, it appears that one of the witnesses was, to put it politely, fibbing about how the altercation started (though that's probably more due to friendship than any other bias).
To determine whether the officer's actions were reasonable - and that's the amorphous standard that counts - you must put yourself in the shoes of the officer. That doesn't mean you adopt any of his prejudices, irrational emotions, etc., but you do have to view the situation in the context of what he just experienced. You also need to appreciate that this probably happened very fast - I'd guess less than 15 seconds from the first shot being fired in the car to the last.
We need to hear the cop's side of the story, and whether that is supported by the physical evidence (distance and orientation of body, wound forensics, etc.) I'm also curious whether the cop/vehicle made an audio recording of the confrontation. Has it already been confirmed that there is no recording?
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Can we just all say that I won? I mean MIR already said this was a thread of heavyweights and I'm in it. I cannot think of a higher compliment. So I bow. I love you all. :D
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@wackycat08 get in here and close this case.
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You were very thoughtful and measured, but show some decorum. One person is dead, and another's life is irreparably damaged. Good God, man.
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Can we just all say that I won? I mean MIR already said this was a thread of heavyweights and I'm in it. I cannot think of a higher compliment. So I bow. I love you all. :D
this is a thread of heavyweight dumbasses
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Can we just all say that I won? I mean MIR already said this was a thread of heavyweights and I'm in it. I cannot think of a higher compliment. So I bow. I love you all. :D
this is a thread of heavyweight dumbasses
:thumbs:
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White people on facebook are loving the crap out of this guy:
http://alfonzorachel.com/2057/want-justice-gin-juice-hair-extensions-rims-democrats#sthash.WkilvkPI.gbpl
Seems pretty neo-connie to me. It's cool that he thinks for himself though.
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Can we just all say that I won? I mean MIR already said this was a thread of heavyweights and I'm in it. I cannot think of a higher compliment. So I bow. I love you all. :D
this is a thread of heavyweight dumbasses
:ROFL: I love kim carnes
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Incredible dumbassery on the part of the cops to even put themselves in a position to have this picture taken.
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http://www.ustream.tv/RealAlexJones/theater (http://www.ustream.tv/RealAlexJones/theater)
crap's about to go down.
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
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Police lying about "smoke canisters" being shot when it's actually tear gas.
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If a cop is somehow surprised or caught off guard about how quickly his gone can shoot 8 rounds he shouldn't be a cop. It's a semi-auto weapon, each shot takes a trigger squeeze.
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
There were absolutely protesters there after curfew, not all protesters have the same agenda our are cut from the same cloth.
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If a cop is somehow surprised or caught off guard about how quickly his gone can shoot 8 rounds he shouldn't be a cop. It's a semi-auto weapon, each shot takes a trigger squeeze.
That wasn't my point. My point was that it can (but not necessarily was) difficult to judge whether a perpetrator is attacking or surrendering in such a short period of time, particularly when you've just been attacked by the perpetrator. This thing happened fast in real time, and it seems like a lot of posters are judging based on a slow motion reel in their head of something they didn't even witness. Not saying the cop's innocent - just saying it's probably not nearly as clear as people on here seem to think.
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
There were absolutely protesters there after curfew, not all protesters have the same agenda our are cut from the same cloth.
If you decide to "protest" during a curfew imposed due to looting and rioting, you're asking for trouble. I have no sympathy. The curfew is valid.
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
There were absolutely protesters there after curfew, not all protesters have the same agenda our are cut from the same cloth.
If you decide to "protest" during a curfew imposed due to looting and rioting, you're asking for trouble. I have no sympathy. The curfew is valid.
Let's not judge the curfew just yet.
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
There were absolutely protesters there after curfew, not all protesters have the same agenda our are cut from the same cloth.
If you decide to "protest" during a curfew imposed due to looting and rioting, you're asking for trouble. I have no sympathy. The curfew is valid.
Why did you quote my post? Your post has nothing to do with what I typed, get bent.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUgcCDANk4
You gotta let your nuts hang...
BOOM BOOM BOOM on your black ass, bitch!
Here's another hit from my crap
I made a couple of moves and five-oh were outsmarted
Here's part two of how I started
Slangin them thangs on a dope cut
Five-ohs are ridin my dick, but so WHAT?
What can you do to a nigga like Face?
And why you sweatin Ak in the the first place?
That's the motherfuckin problem
See a young nigga rollin a Beemer and gotta stop him
But I'm a tell you like this, heh
All lawmen suck dick!
Sneaky as hell and try to bust ya
But you can die motherfuckers, cause bitch I don't love ya
You're makin it harder, on my fellas
These dopefiend bitches, and the big drug sellers
How can you preach to the fiends that they should quit
While Barry's up in Washington smokin that crap!
You need to get yourself a life or keep tryin
Or more and more cops'll be dyin, cause I am
Sick of seein niggaz bein shortstopped
By a buck-oh-five dick and a booty-ass cop
You figure you're hard cause you're a cop see
eff WITH ME! I'm a put that ass in a box G
Cause I don't give two fucks about ya punk
You may carry a 45 but yo I pack a pump
And you can step up if you want, bitch
I ain't askin no questions, I'm goin for my crap
I'm runnin up I ain't afraid
I'm from the land of the heartless, the home of the paid
And if you want a gang no thang
I get my ass taxed, but I'm a STILL let my nuts hang!
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The media should stop calling these people protesters. The protesters went home hours ago.
There were absolutely protesters there after curfew, not all protesters have the same agenda our are cut from the same cloth.
Yeah, they were. I saw that later. Figured they were the same idiots causing trouble from earlier nights. Some prob were, but many of the 150 or so were actually still protesting.
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I have always wondered where the hell the govt legally gets off imposing a curfew. Outside of the Martial Law stuff, that will never happen, how do they have the right to do such a thing constitutionally?
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I have always wondered where the hell the govt legally gets off imposing a curfew. Outside of the Martial Law stuff, that will never happen, how do they have the right to do such a thing constitutionally?
Seems very close to violation of the first but I assume has been upheld when public safety involved.
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Can we just all say that I won? I mean MIR already said this was a thread of heavyweights and I'm in it. I cannot think of a higher compliment. So I bow. I love you all. :D
this is a thread of heavyweight dumbasses
:ROFL:
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Great post KC
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Incredible dumbassery on the part of the cops to even put themselves in a position to have this picture taken.
I found one where they posed for a better angle.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.washingtonpost.com%2Frf%2Fimage_908w%2F2010-2019%2FWires%2FImages%2F2014-08-12%2FAP%2FAPTOPIX_Police_Shooting_Missouri-0e5fb.jpg&hash=3e1d0590b58259867f54745e3ee92a54781e5881)
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Incredible dumbassery on the part of the cops to even put themselves in a position to have this picture taken.
I found one where they posed for a better angle.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.washingtonpost.com%2Frf%2Fimage_908w%2F2010-2019%2FWires%2FImages%2F2014-08-12%2FAP%2FAPTOPIX_Police_Shooting_Missouri-0e5fb.jpg&hash=3e1d0590b58259867f54745e3ee92a54781e5881)
On the smart phone of every cop in st louis right now. Cop wet dream stuff.
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk
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The conservative treehouse is on the case: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
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Conservatives basically cheering against black folks is not a good look.
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I think you missed the video where one black guy was cutting down other black people. It's OK. They have a black friend.
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Conservatives basically cheering against black folks is not a good look.
Continentals
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Is there a group of weirdos who run out and scour the web to find scary looking photos of black shooting victims?
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Is there a group of weirdos who run out and scour the web to find scary looking photos of black shooting victims?
breaking!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
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Apparently I'm in a gang so are the KSU Cats.
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Apparently I'm in a gang so are the KSU Cats.
I bet you are high on angel dust right now and I'd have to shoot you many times to keep you from beating me to death.
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We're lucky our SpradlessCats made it out of St. Louis alive last March.
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Apparently I'm in a gang so are the KSU Cats.
What's up blood?
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Apparently I'm in a gang so are the KSU Cats.
I bet you are high on angel dust right now and I'd have to shoot you many times to keep you from beating me to death.
Yep. rolled up my pcp in a hollowed out phillies. I'm an animal.
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Apparently I'm in a gang so are the KSU Cats.
What's up blood?
Just spilling others'
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Wait, the scissor hand sign is the bloods? Do the crips do duck lips? How many gangs is Paris Hilton in?
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Beasts. Dogs. Motherfucking problems. I hope you're not a goon, because they're goblins.
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KSU is for big government when it is telling black people the hours they can be seen in public, color me shocked at that one
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KSU is for big government when it is telling black people the hours they can be seen in public, color me shocked at that one
pretty great racist trolling here
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KSU is for big government when it is telling black people the hours they can be seen in public, color me shocked at that one
Curfews are as unamerican as it gets, imo.
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
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:lol:
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Is there a group of weirdos who run out and scour the web to find scary looking photos of black shooting victims?
breaking!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
Well now the shooting is justified - CASE CLOSED!
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
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capt. johnson's speech today was outstanding.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/17/6028883/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-riveting-speech-at-ferguson-rally (http://www.vox.com/2014/8/17/6028883/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-riveting-speech-at-ferguson-rally)
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
This forum gets more and more worthless everyday with bullshit like this.
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:lol:
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hurrrr hurrrrr hurrrr guys, I should just post dumbass things like :lol: and join the circle jerk. who needs to have a reasonable discussion when we can all :emawkid:
get out of high school
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:lol:
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:lol:
:lol:
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what does ses mean
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who needs to have a reasonable discussion when we can all :emawkid:
exactly
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
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what does ses mean
my guess is socio-economic status, but yeah, not a very common acronym
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Police have moved up the curfew to 9:30 apparently.
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
How many bullets to the back are you thinking? Because 1 is too many.
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But what if brown was all soccer flop :whistle1: and accidentally caught one in the back. Surely the cop can be :gocho:. Then skate on the charge like a stud :billdance: jk lol goEMAW.com
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0&referrer=
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0&referrer=
darren wilson is going away for a long time
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None in the back which at least changes the running away story. Still looks like overkill for someone unarmed
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Murder
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Gas masks are relatively cheap on amazon, but also seem complicated.
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Gas masks are relatively cheap on amazon, but also seem complicated.
i have one. no canisters tho
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so what can be done to calm this situation now? The cops call off the curfew and just sit off to the side and watch?
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
How many bullets to the back are you thinking? Because 1 is too many.
The linked preliminary report did not find a single shot to the back, further supporting the cop's story - and refuting the "he was shot in the back" narrative.
It's starting to look like most of the narrative was wrong, and I guess that should have been expected. Meanwhile the riots and looting continue.
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so... the witness is a liar?
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0&referrer=
Only 2 of those shots would slow a charging person down.
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None in the back which at least changes the running away story. Still looks like overkill for someone unarmed
It's not overkill if a 6'4", 250lb+ dude that just attacked you is running towards you.
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None in the back which at least changes the running away story. Still looks like overkill for someone unarmed
It's not overkill if a 6'4", 250lb+ dude that just attacked you is running towards you.
wut?
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It sure didn't take long for some to make excuses as to why this kid was shot.
"Saint Louis area cop from police department with a documented history of racism shoots and kills unarmed black teen."
"Well I heard that the so called teen was a really big man and someone said he was standing in the way of the cop car trying to go somewhere?"
"Well couldn't the cop have used a tazer or pepper spray or something?"
"Didn't you hear me say he was a big black man, what if the tazer didn't work, what if he had a gun? The officer couldn't risk any of that, that boy was dangerous. Oh did I mention they are looting now, they never learn."
I didn't make any of those excuses and, in fact, said that the initial facts do not justify the shooting. I simply pointed out that some (including you, apparently) are ignoring the fact that the guy put himself in a very bad situation by attacking a cop.
Eye witnesses said he didn't attack anyone and was shot in the back, we're ignoring that?
I'm not ignoring that he may have been shot in the back. That's what I've read, too, and that's why I question whether the shooting was justified. All the media reports I've read also indicate that Brown attacked the officer. I'm skeptical that the officer just decided to gun down a black guy totally unprovoked. You should be, too.
:lol:
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None in the back which at least changes the running away story. Still looks like overkill for someone unarmed
It's not overkill if a 6'4", 250lb+ dude that just attacked you is running towards you.
maybe a little bit considering he is unarmed.
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A thought just occurred to me. The cops in this town claim that Brown tried to fight officer while he sat in the car and tried to take his gun. Was this cop wearing his gun on his head, shoulder, or his chest? How in the hell can Brown attempt to take his gun while the cop was in the car?
I'm hoping that police are trained how to deal with someone trying to grab their holstered weapon and the training is "if the attacker doesnt currently have your weapon, stay in your car and call for back " not "chase that guy down, shoot him in the leg then finish him by emptying your weapon into his back"
:lol:
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Shouldn't be news to anybody. I was talking about the police state years ago
:lol:
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
How many bullets to the back are you thinking? Because 1 is too many.
The linked preliminary report did not find a single shot to the back, further supporting the cop's story - and refuting the "he was shot in the back" narrative.
It's starting to look like most of the narrative was wrong, and I guess that should have been expected. Meanwhile the riots and looting continue.
So does the gassing and threats to media.
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Serious: lots of reports of violence, ambulances needing armed escorts, might be more deaths from this night.
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
How many bullets to the back are you thinking? Because 1 is too many.
The linked preliminary report did not find a single shot to the back, further supporting the cop's story - and refuting the "he was shot in the back" narrative.
It's starting to look like most of the narrative was wrong, and I guess that should have been expected. Meanwhile the riots and looting continue.
Where is the cop's story you refer to? Link?
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The conservative treehouse is on the case: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
supposedly the cops side
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Wait - were the ranchers looting and burning stores? I did not hear about that.
I think the Ferguson police need to try their best to not harass, detain, or harm the peaceful protestors - but I suspect that's sometimes easier said than done when the vandals and looters are intermixed among the protests. If I were a protestor, I'd probably go down to city hall and protest there - not in the middle of the violence. Seems like a bad to place to be if I don't want to get tear gassed.
Actually that's what started this whole thing. The police harassing and shooting someone
Sounds like Michael Brown did something really stupid - though that still might not justify him being shot. Again, let's get the facts.
You keep talking about not passing judgment and for all of the facts but you keep finding ways to assign Brown some fault for getting shot despite eye witnesses starting that he didn't do anything wrong.
:lol:
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thank goodness for ronald johnson.
and anyone who tries to contend that this kid did anything to deserve being shot.. much less killed.. doesn't deserve the right to hold an opinion on anything (not so much as whether a cheeseburger tastes good) until they've taken a cold hard look in the mirror and acknowledged that their fellow human beings are of inestimable worth and are to be treated as such.
:lol:
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Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
oh and this, my bad on the other link
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The conservative treehouse is on the case: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/
supposedly the cops side
No, I asked where is the cop's side. KsuW said there was one that he was aware of.
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Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
oh and this, my bad on the other link
Is this the cop?
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Gas masks are relatively cheap on amazon, but also seem complicated.
i have one. no canisters tho
What do you recommend?
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:Lurk:
Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
oh and this, my bad on the other link
Is this the cop?
as it clearly says in the audio it's someone who claims to know the cop and his side. I havent been issued an official brief on department letter head.
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Gas masks are relatively cheap on amazon, but also seem complicated.
i have one. no canisters tho
What do you recommend?
It was a gift, so I don't feel qualified to weigh in
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Cops threatened to shoot a journalist with "this". No idea if this weapon was a LTL weapon or firearm.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/17/police-threaten-reporters-ferguson_n_5686674.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
Seems pretty well-reasoned to me. Then again, I'm an admitted dumbass.
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
Seems pretty well-reasoned to me. Then again, I'm an admitted dumbass.
Do you fall neatly into one of the two camps he created? Do you think cops killing an unarmed teenager isn't a big story? I think you're too smart for that.
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
Seems pretty well-reasoned to me. Then again, I'm an admitted dumbass.
Do you fall neatly into one of the two camps he created? Do you think cops killing an unarmed teenager isn't a big story? I think you're too smart for that.
You give the average American way to much credit. And I didnt say it wasn't a big story, I said the resulting debacles have overshadowed it. Try reading, its fun, idiot.
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Oh Mich if.you dont believe me, msnbc's Goldie Taylor has said the autopsy proves the kid was surrending, Chris Hayes is pushing that only rest will come with charges. Im sure fox isnt going to show the pics of Brown throwing up the big B, because that wouldnt be fair and balanced.
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Sad thing about the direction of this case is how the average American will not approach the middle ground. If you think it was a justifiable shoot than you're a neo-con bad person who thinks America has no issues with race and SES. If you think its a bad shoot you're a bleeding heart lib who thinks all blacks are disadvantaged by the system and not responsible for their own actions. For me the biggest things about this story are the heavy handed response by the police in the 48 hours afterwords, the SES issues in urban areas with a high pop % of minorities, and the speed at which all sides allowed this shooting to get out of hand, convicting or exonerating before any official word is out. Honestly the shooting itself has almost become secondary at this point because of the lack of facts and the other issues which have erupted around it.
Only complete dumbasses think like this. (All of it).
Seems pretty well-reasoned to me. Then again, I'm an admitted dumbass.
Do you fall neatly into one of the two camps he created? Do you think cops killing an unarmed teenager isn't a big story? I think you're too smart for that.
I don't feel I do, but I read it as he was being tongue-in-cheek with the two groups thing. I do think the story is big, but the situation and reality surrounding it are bigger. I would take it a step further and say, though a tragedy, the actually shooting should have always been secondary to the conversation from a big-picture perspective.
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Nic nailed it. Sory youre associated with one of my posts now. I was merely trying to get at the way stories like this are glossed over and re-trenched into absurd positions which destroy the value and moral lessons which they contain. Instead people should be studying the multitude of nuances which push and pull these communities, stories, and narratives.
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National Guard being called in.
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What is the endgame here? Does it stop when the Officer is charged? What if he isn't charged? Or what if he found not guilty?
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What is the endgame here? Does it stop when the Officer is charged? What if he isn't charged? Or what if he found not guilty?
I'm sure a lot of the unrest currently is based on the expectations of how it will play out.
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What is the endgame here? Does it stop when the Officer is charged? What if he isn't charged? Or what if he found not guilty?
I'm sure a lot of the unrest currently is based on the expectations of how it will play out.
I don't think you're saying or implying that the cop should be charged based on whether or not it will appease the mob.
Thus, because you're clearly not saying that, which would be crazy, I'll seperately note in a completely unrelated comment that the cop should be charged based on whether there is a liklihood of conviction, not whether it will appease the mob. I am skeptical that will be a strong factor in the decisionmaking process. I have no doubt he will be charged. I have growing doubt, though I'm still on the fence, that he should be.
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How will jury selection go down?
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What is the endgame here? Does it stop when the Officer is charged? What if he isn't charged? Or what if he found not guilty?
I'm sure a lot of the unrest currently is based on the expectations of how it will play out.
I don't think you're saying or implying this, but the cop should not be charged based on whether or not it will appease the mob - he should be charged based on whether there is a liklihood of conviction. I am skeptical that will be a strong factor in the decisionmaking process. I have no doubt he will be charged. I have growing doubt, though I'm still on the fence, that he should be.
You were right at the outset, and could still edit your post so that yours doesn't have any relation to mine.
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If none of the bullet wounds are in the back, then basically none of the witness testimony that has come forth thus far has been credible. I would lean toward not charging the cop.
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K-S-U is party rocking his ass off
He was born for this thread.
Not sure why I keep getting singled out, but thanks? :dunno:
I think I've been pretty reasonable here. I didn't buy the bullshit "the cop started it" story - I was right. I didn't jump on the "the cop is clearly guilty" train, and it's looking more and more like I was right to not do that either.
Michael Brown is looking worse and worse, and it's lending credence to the cop's apparent story. Brown's actions don't make sense unless he was heavily intoxicated with something. He steals a box of cigars in broad daylight, and then instead if making a quick getaway, he decides to just take a stroll down the middle of the street. And then when a cop tells him to get on the sidewalk, after he's just committed a robbery, he says "nah, I'm almost to where I'm going." And the he decides to attack said cop. Is it that much of a jump from there to believing, as the one witness appears to say, that he first ran and then turned to charge the cop? It's simply bizarre behavior.
If the forensics show he was mostly shot in the back, that's another matter.
How many bullets to the back are you thinking? Because 1 is too many.
The linked preliminary report did not find a single shot to the back, further supporting the cop's story - and refuting the "he was shot in the back" narrative.
It's starting to look like most of the narrative was wrong, and I guess that should have been expected. Meanwhile the riots and looting continue.
Where is the cop's story you refer to? Link?
Sorry, that's why I used the word "purported" in at least one of my prior posts. I don't think we've seen the officer's actual statement yet. So far, I've only heard the officer's story second hand from the purported "friend" - so it take that for what it's worth (not very much).
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so... the witness is a liar?
Eye witnesses are always the worst witnesses. Forensics will carry the day.
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What is the endgame here? Does it stop when the Officer is charged? What if he isn't charged? Or what if he found not guilty?
I'm sure a lot of the unrest currently is based on the expectations of how it will play out.
I don't think you're saying or implying this, but the cop should not be charged based on whether or not it will appease the mob - he should be charged based on whether there is a liklihood of conviction. I am skeptical that will be a strong factor in the decisionmaking process. I have no doubt he will be charged. I have growing doubt, though I'm still on the fence, that he should be.
You were right at the outset, and could still edit your post so that yours doesn't have any relation to mine.
Edited. Hope I made that clearer now.
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so what can be done to calm this situation now? The cops call off the curfew and just sit off to the side and watch?
If there are truly FBI agents there investigating the shooting, maybe set up a 1-stop spot where Ferguson'rs who claim to have info on the shooting can show up and tell their tale to someone who appears to care about that aspect of all this.
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You know guys, he may have been running away backwards.
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You know guys, he may have been running away backwards.
Forensics says no.
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Why do you say this? What did they say?
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Why do you say this? What did they say?
The autopsy dudes have been better, but the attorneys are basically pointing at the picture of a torso with all the holes in the front and saying it plainly proves he got shot from behind.
Also:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2F4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg&hash=d02780a07d9d223546f7af1f01b6f8cbc1a9f036) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg.html)
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Always seemed crazy to me that a guy could get shot in the back and have the presence of mind to turn around with his hands up and beg for mercy. Isn't it totes possible that the cop just missed two shots at a moving target but was pretty dece at unloading into a stationary one? :dunno:
Can someone photoshop the autopsy diagram with hands slightly above head?
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Also:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2F4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg&hash=d02780a07d9d223546f7af1f01b6f8cbc1a9f036) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg.html)
this was also good:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvHM3OtCEAADJXp.jpg:large)
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.
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Also:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi709.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fww92%2FTommyRoanoke%2F4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg&hash=d02780a07d9d223546f7af1f01b6f8cbc1a9f036) (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/TommyRoanoke/media/4952f4c71421ad816e001eb731bb7c6a_zpsae78f98d.jpg.html)
this was also good:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvHM3OtCEAADJXp.jpg:large)
What are we supposed to see here?
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Darren Wilson might have the best PR strategy of everyone involved so far.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvVgjGrIQAA1q7P.png)
!!!
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You knew that was coming
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she was dressed like a slut anyways
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:buh-bye:
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gah
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god damnit
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.
Is every single n-word who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
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If none of the bullet wounds are in the back, then basically none of the witness testimony that has come forth thus far has been credible. I would lean toward not charging the cop.
The forensic evidence doesn't mesh with what the cops leaked either about a struggle at the car. If Brown was at the car the entire time how in the hell was he shot six times? Was there a struggle at the car, then Brown saw the gun and then ran away, then ran back with a weapon trained at him? How much contradictory crap do we have to see before conclusion jumping stops?
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
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invention to fix american police that i am now patenting:
cops dont want to have full time body cams or dash cams because they think it hinders there ability to network with their neighborhoods and do police stuff properly.
i propose a camera mounted to their guns that begins recording video and sound when their guns are drawn. the gun's-eye view will give instant feedback as to whether a shooting is justified or not. this tech should be pretty easy to implement and should be mandatory. much better than a dash or shoulder cam that must record constantly and have a good chance of being pointed away from the action.
this post is legally me patenting this idea. lawyer mods will confirm.
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Why does not being shot in the back prove that he wasn't facing away from the officer when he was shot?
Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells, who assisted former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden during the autopsy, said a bullet graze wound on Brown's right arm could have occurred in several ways. The teen may have had his back to the shooter, or he could have been facing the shooter with his hands above his head or in a defensive position across his face or chest, Parcells said.
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might have been posted already but here's a q&a the witness did with local media
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A (http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A)
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
That's gold coming from you :lol:
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
I don't think the weed in his system had any significance. I think just walking into a store and robbing it in broad daylight made my mind up on the type of person Brown was. Still doesn't justify being executed but I can't say that this Johnson kid would be the most reliable and trustworthy witness either. Someone is full of crap here... There is likely some truth to both sides of the story but I'm not sure anything short of a major prison stint for this cop is going to keep major riots from erupting.
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.
Is every single ****** who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.
Coming from the man who bleats racism. Just really, really terrible MIR.
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Why does not being shot in the back prove that he wasn't facing away from the officer when he was shot?
Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells, who assisted former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden during the autopsy, said a bullet graze wound on Brown's right arm could have occurred in several ways. The teen may have had his back to the shooter, or he could have been facing the shooter with his hands above his head or in a defensive position across his face or chest, Parcells said.
It doesn't prove that he wasn't facing away, but it doesn't prove that he was, either. It's going to make a murder conviction very difficult to come by because the forensic evidence is going to support whatever story the officer comes forward with, and the key witness was a party to an assault and robbery with the victim just 10 minutes earlier.
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A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:
The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)
wow, white people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
So I made up my mind before the evidence started coming out? Maybe go back and re-read my posts in this thread. Never mind - you're too busy tossing around the n-word while accusing other people of bigotry.
You're clearly emotional and not thinking rationally about this, but I'll give it another shot. The question is whether the officer had a reasonable belief of eminent death or serious bodily harm when he shot Brown. We don't have video of the fight, so we look to other evidence.
In the minutes just prior to the shooting, Brown (1) stole a box of cigars from a convenience store in broad daylight, (2) attacked the store owner, (3) rather than fleeing after his robbery, casually walked down the middle of the street with his friend, (4) refused to comply with a police officer's command that he get on the sidewalk, saying words to the effect of "no, I'm also to where I'm going," and (5) likely assaulted the officer in his car. These are not the actions of a rational, peaceful person, and now we learn that he was indeed intoxicated.
These are not attempts to assassinate his character - they provide an indication that he was the aggressor, and provide some support to the cop's "he made a run at me" story (if that's what it is). Meanwhile, the frontal wounds noted in autopsy also call into question the eyewitness testimony that Brown was shot in the back while running away from the officer.
This is all stuff to be taken into account.
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A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:
The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)
wow, white people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/
:sdeek:
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The forensic evidence doesn't mesh with what the cops leaked either about a struggle at the car. If Brown was at the car the entire time how in the hell was he shot six times?
I don't think the cops contend, or have ever contended, that Brown was at the car the entire time. I think you may be confused.
Was there a struggle at the car, then Brown saw the gun and then ran away, then ran back with a weapon trained at him? How much contradictory crap do we have to see before conclusion jumping stops?
Maybe. You're the one jumping to conclusions - you reached a conclusion that Brown was just a black man "hunted down in the street" from the get go. Some of us just want more information.
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I think everyone should be able to agree that congress needs to pass a law requiring all law enforcement to install dash cams on their vehicles.
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A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:
The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)
wow, white people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/
Interesting how nearly the same exact percentage of blacks agree with the first and third propositions, but only 65% agree that the "police have gone too far in response to the shooting." It's especially interesting because the question is so horribly loaded - the police weren't responding to the shooting, but to the looting and rioting that ensued.
Also interesting that nearly 80% of blacks believe there will not be a sufficient investigation into the shooting, despite Eric Holder's DoJ stepping in and the assignment of 40 FBI agents to the case. 40.
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40? :opcat:
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A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:
The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)
wow, white people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/
Interesting how nearly the same exact percentage of blacks agree with the first and third propositions, but only 65% agree that the "police have gone too far in response to the shooting." It's especially interesting because the question is so horribly loaded - the police weren't responding to the shooting, but to the looting and rioting that ensued.
Also interesting that nearly 80% of blacks believe there will not be a sufficient investigation into the shooting, despite Eric Holder's DoJ stepping in and the assignment of 40 FBI agents to the case. 40.
whites were consistent
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It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated. We don't know that yet.
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Mods, put the same poll up here on gE.
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It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated. We don't know that yet.
Also very Reefer Madness-esque to suggest that pot made him violent.
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It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated. We don't know that yet.
Also very Reefer Madness-esque to suggest that pot made him violent.
On the contrary, it was the lack of pot that made him violent. He had just stolen those blunt sticks and was on his way to go roll a :fatty:. He was jonesin. Nothing was going to stand in his way - laws, morality, police - nothing.
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Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.
Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.
Is every single n-word who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.
:lol:
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So do you guys think the cop shot him because he was black?
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
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So do you guys think the cop shot him because he was black?
I'll say this... I would bet money he would still be alive if he weren't.
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It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated. We don't know that yet.
Also very Reefer Madness-esque to suggest that pot made him violent.
Clearly intoxicated
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected)
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected)
I appreciate the sentiment but I tire of people acting like any of the problems that have been covered have simple solutions. It's a complex world.
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We should set up a federal resort where housing food and drugs of all kinds are provided free of
Charge. All the people that want to do drugs can go to drug disneyland, leaving virtually no demand
For drugs on the outside, and all the problems that go with them.
Problem solved, your welcome.
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We should set up a federal resort where housing food and drugs of all kinds are provided free of
Charge. All the people that want to do drugs can go to drug disneyland, leaving virtually no demand
For drugs on the outside, and all the problems that go with them.
Problem solved, your welcome.
This is almost exactly a season 3 plot line of The Wire.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected)
I appreciate the sentiment but I tire of people acting like any of the problems that have been covered have simple solutions. It's a complex world.
I don't think that's what the author was suggesting, instead only that ending the war on drugs could reduce the probability of this kind of interaction in the future. Plus, let's be honest - the war on drugs is one of the major reasons for the dramatic rise in police militarization.
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Drug Disneyland sounds pretty boss
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Drug Disneyland sounds pretty boss
Right? This place would be nice like a vegas hotel, after about 5-10 years dudes will have od'd, the
Cartels will have lost their biggest market, kids won't have grown up watching and learning the drug
game and we all live happily ever after!
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119121/ferguson-missouri-and-war-drugs-how-two-are-connected)
I appreciate the sentiment but I tire of people acting like any of the problems that have been covered have simple solutions. It's a complex world.
I don't think that's what the author was suggesting, instead only that ending the war on drugs could reduce the probability of this kind of interaction in the future. Plus, let's be honest - the war on drugs is one of the major reasons for the dramatic rise in police militarization.
You're right and I'll admit I didn't read it.
Jeff Smith's commentary in the nyt today or yesterday also had a some nice insight into why Furgeson politics also play a major role.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
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Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
You get what you don't pay for.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
I didn't see it myself so can't confirm, but I saw a lot of twitter outrage whenever Jesse Jackson first arrived on the scene about him immediately asking for donations to his church. :dunno:
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@hosienation: Here's the guy y'all want to bring charges against Darren Wilson. Good luck with that... http://www.laduenews.com/society/charities-nonprofits/persons-of-interest-bob-mcculloch/article_eee9cc68-8a2a-11e1-9517-0019bb30f31a.html
It was also in the ’60s that his life changed forever. McCulloch grew up on the border between St. Louis and Pine Lawn in the shadow of the old ammunitions plant just off Goodfellow Boulevard. His dad was a city cop, one of the first K-9 officers in the department. “July 2, 1964: My dad was 37 years old, I was 12.” It was the day his father was killed in the line of duty trying to arrest a kidnapper. “He was in his police car and heard a call for an officer in need of aid at the old Pruett-Igoe housing project. He wasn’t far from there, and when he arrived, he saw one officer was down and another officer was chasing a guy,” he explains. “They went around a building, my dad went around the other way and they got into a shootout—my father got shot.” Officer Paul McCulloch left behind a wife and four children. Bob McCulloch, the future prosecutor, was now a crime victim. “It had a huge impact on me in the long run. In the short term, at that age, it’s hard to comprehend the finality of death and so that took some time to sink in. My mother was a great woman, very strong and made sure we all toed the line.”
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
That's gold coming from you :lol:
Yes, that's point you stupid [redacted], it's why I said "isn't going to change anyone's mind." We know you're mouthbreathing dip crap, but are you so stupid that you don't know what the word anyone means?
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
Wow, that was a predictable response. You dropped that into a conversation about ksuw calling Crump an opportunist. If you decided to drop a non-sequitur in the conversation (you didn't) then you can deal with people not knowing what the hell you're talking about (I didn't).
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
So I made up my mind before the evidence started coming out? Maybe go back and re-read my posts in this thread. Never mind - you're too busy tossing around the n-word while accusing other people of bigotry.
You're clearly emotional and not thinking rationally about this, but I'll give it another shot. The question is whether the officer had a reasonable belief of eminent death or serious bodily harm when he shot Brown. We don't have video of the fight, so we look to other evidence.
In the minutes just prior to the shooting, Brown (1) stole a box of cigars from a convenience store in broad daylight, (2) attacked the store owner, (3) rather than fleeing after his robbery, casually walked down the middle of the street with his friend, (4) refused to comply with a police officer's command that he get on the sidewalk, saying words to the effect of "no, I'm also to where I'm going," and (5) likely assaulted the officer in his car. These are not the actions of a rational, peaceful person, and now we learn that he was indeed intoxicated.
These are not attempts to assassinate his character - they provide an indication that he was the aggressor, and provide some support to the cop's "he made a run at me" story (if that's what it is). Meanwhile, the frontal wounds noted in autopsy also call into question the eyewitness testimony that Brown was shot in the back while running away from the officer.
This is all stuff to be taken into account.
No rough ridin' way I'm reading all of that, I read the first paragraph and knew you were full of crap so I didn't need to continue. Your first post, about the 8th in the thread, said Brown did something stupid. You didn't know what happened. You dismissed the eyewitness accounts and assumed he did something stupid, you turned out to be correct but that doesn't change the fact you made an assumption. I can admit that I made assumptions, why can't you? Despite all of your skepticism you never called the cop stupid.
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
the guy that took many of these photos was arrested today. Along with a 90 year-old Holocaust survivor.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/obama-ferguson_n_5688455.html?ir=Politics&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
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"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
Wow, that was a predictable response. You dropped that into a conversation about ksuw calling Crump an opportunist. If you decided to drop a non-sequitur in the conversation (you didn't) then you can deal with people not knowing what the hell you're talking about (I didn't).
No, I think I was thinking more along the lines of Sharpton and Jackson MIR. But there's no use getting into that with you, because you've already made up your mind as always.
Again, you decided to post what you posted when you posted it, I didn't make your post ambiguous, you did.
Did you even hear what Sharpton's message was when he had his press conference? If you're going to be critical of him in this instance I'd suggest you find what he said. I bet everything you'd agree with what he said.
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Some posters just enjoy being very vague
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
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Did you guys see where they arrested the guy that took that photo? Let's see him drive an agenda now, bitch!
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
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I called Crump an opportunist because he is. He fans the flames by publicly characterizing this shooting as an "execution" - to take just one example - which is highly inappropriate for an attorney and officer of the court.
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I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.
There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.
So I made up my mind before the evidence started coming out? Maybe go back and re-read my posts in this thread. Never mind - you're too busy tossing around the n-word while accusing other people of bigotry.
You're clearly emotional and not thinking rationally about this, but I'll give it another shot. The question is whether the officer had a reasonable belief of eminent death or serious bodily harm when he shot Brown. We don't have video of the fight, so we look to other evidence.
In the minutes just prior to the shooting, Brown (1) stole a box of cigars from a convenience store in broad daylight, (2) attacked the store owner, (3) rather than fleeing after his robbery, casually walked down the middle of the street with his friend, (4) refused to comply with a police officer's command that he get on the sidewalk, saying words to the effect of "no, I'm also to where I'm going," and (5) likely assaulted the officer in his car. These are not the actions of a rational, peaceful person, and now we learn that he was indeed intoxicated.
These are not attempts to assassinate his character - they provide an indication that he was the aggressor, and provide some support to the cop's "he made a run at me" story (if that's what it is). Meanwhile, the frontal wounds noted in autopsy also call into question the eyewitness testimony that Brown was shot in the back while running away from the officer.
This is all stuff to be taken into account.
No rough ridin' way I'm reading all of that, I read the first paragraph and knew you were full of crap so I didn't need to continue. Your first post, about the 8th in the thread, said Brown did something stupid. You didn't know what happened. You dismissed the eyewitness accounts and assumed he did something stupid, you turned out to be correct but that doesn't change the fact you made an assumption. I can admit that I made assumptions, why can't you? Despite all of your skepticism you never called the cop stupid.
Ok well I can't make you read it. I was right, btw, when I said that Brown probably did something stupid to put himself in this position. And I still maintain that that alone doesn't justify his death - but you don't care about that. You and the rest of the mob won't be satisfied until you get your pound of flesh, facts be damned.
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
At what point do you call it a riot? Road blocks, Molotov cocktails, shots around civilians, shots at police, and destruction of property (via fires) all seem pretty riot-y to me.
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
At what point do you call it a riot? Road blocks, Molotov cocktails, shots around civilians, shots at police, and destruction of property (via fires) all seem pretty riot-y to me.
One of those things is not like the other - namely 4/5 are violent acts that cause harm to others around them. A road block is not an act of violence.
Also, you should take serious caution knowing that the only news sources who seem comfortable using the term "rioters" interchangeably with protestor or in some cases exclusively are breitbart and the daily news.
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I called Crump an opportunist because he is. He fans the flames by publicly characterizing this shooting as an "execution" - to take just one example - which is highly inappropriate for an attorney and officer of the court.
What? :ROFL: man, shut yo ass up, lol
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
At what point do you call it a riot? Road blocks, Molotov cocktails, shots around civilians, shots at police, and destruction of property (via fires) all seem pretty riot-y to me.
One of those things is not like the other - namely 4/5 are violent acts that cause harm to others around them. A road block is not an act of violence.
Also, you should take serious caution knowing that the only news sources who seem comfortable using the term "rioters" interchangeably with protestor or in some cases exclusively are breitbart and the daily news.
Actually obstructing the free flow of people through physical means is an act of violence. But lets not get into that too much because its absurd to argue whether or not roadblocks are legitimate part of marching in protest.
Also add telegraph uk, politico, and Wash Po to your list of sources. Keep in mind I'm not saying that all of these protests are riots (like I'm sure Daily and Breitbart are), but these specific clashes in specific areas.
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Remember when I said this was going to get retrenched to bleeding heart libs versus neo-con assholes in the mainstream discourse? Foxnew's Mygyn Kylly is running with MARK rough ridin' FUHRMAN to be an expert on the shooting now that the "other side" (cops side) is getting play. Also they intro the story with 6 year cop vet getting accommodation versus dark grainy footage of black kid strong arm robbing people.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
Wow, that was a predictable response. You dropped that into a conversation about ksuw calling Crump an opportunist. If you decided to drop a non-sequitur in the conversation (you didn't) then you can deal with people not knowing what the hell you're talking about (I didn't).
No, I think I was thinking more along the lines of Sharpton and Jackson MIR. But there's no use getting into that with you, because you've already made up your mind as always.
Again, you decided to post what you posted when you posted it, I didn't make your post ambiguous, you did.
Did you even hear what Sharpton's message was when he had his press conference? If you're going to be critical of him in this instance I'd suggest you find what he said. I bet everything you'd agree with what he said.
Yeah, Al went off on the release of the video of the guy robbing the store, when media made countless requests for the video.
Nah, I'm not going to buy into Al's shtick. It's old, tired and played out.
Just curious, because I haven't seen it. But has anyone here read or heard any indication that this incident in Ferguson would be covered up, and wouldn't be investigated to the fullest extent by local and state authorities?
The greatest was the BBC doing street interviews and a woman requesting that McCullouch be pulled from the case because there is no way he will do a fair, thorough, investigation. When asked why the woman flat out said she didn't know much about him.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
Wow, that was a predictable response. You dropped that into a conversation about ksuw calling Crump an opportunist. If you decided to drop a non-sequitur in the conversation (you didn't) then you can deal with people not knowing what the hell you're talking about (I didn't).
No, I think I was thinking more along the lines of Sharpton and Jackson MIR. But there's no use getting into that with you, because you've already made up your mind as always.
Again, you decided to post what you posted when you posted it, I didn't make your post ambiguous, you did.
Did you even hear what Sharpton's message was when he had his press conference? If you're going to be critical of him in this instance I'd suggest you find what he said. I bet everything you'd agree with what he said.
Yeah, Al went off on the release of the video of the guy robbing the store, when media made countless requests for the video.
Nah, I'm not going to buy into Al's shtick. It's old, tired and played out.
Just curious, because I haven't seen it. But has anyone here read or heard any indication that this incident in Ferguson would be covered up, and wouldn't be investigated to the fullest extent by local and state authorities?
The greatest was the BBC doing street interviews and a woman requesting that McCullouch be pulled from the case because there is no way he will do a fair, thorough, investigation. When asked why the woman flat out said she didn't know much about him.
wow, that sounds like the greatest :thumbsup:
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
At what point do you call it a riot? Road blocks, Molotov cocktails, shots around civilians, shots at police, and destruction of property (via fires) all seem pretty riot-y to me.
One of those things is not like the other - namely 4/5 are violent acts that cause harm to others around them. A road block is not an act of violence.
Also, you should take serious caution knowing that the only news sources who seem comfortable using the term "rioters" interchangeably with protestor or in some cases exclusively are breitbart and the daily news.
Actually obstructing the free flow of people through physical means is an act of violence. But lets not get into that too much because its absurd to argue whether or not roadblocks are legitimate part of marching in protest.
The argument is not about occupying the streets as a legitimate protesting tactic but whether or not it constitutes the label "rioting" which you applied, not me. Show me one source that has referred to non-violent demonstrators in streets as rioters.
Also add telegraph uk, politico, and Wash Po to your list of sources. Keep in mind I'm not saying that all of these protests are riots (like I'm sure Daily and Breitbart are), but these specific clashes in specific areas.
Not all protests are riots but all persons who occupied a street that once may have held a riot must be referred to as rioters, got it.
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I think police shooting at people running away in the middle of a neighborhood should be against policy. Chase the guy down.
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The usual suspects who show up every time something like this happens are much in-line to have their motives questioned, particularly as their own personal behavior and handling of money that has flowed through their various organizations have come to light over the years.
How the eff is this relevant to Benjamin Crump, an attorney doing pro-bono work?
I didn't say it was.
Yep, I looked again, didn't say Crump.
Wow, that was a predictable response. You dropped that into a conversation about ksuw calling Crump an opportunist. If you decided to drop a non-sequitur in the conversation (you didn't) then you can deal with people not knowing what the hell you're talking about (I didn't).
No, I think I was thinking more along the lines of Sharpton and Jackson MIR. But there's no use getting into that with you, because you've already made up your mind as always.
Again, you decided to post what you posted when you posted it, I didn't make your post ambiguous, you did.
Did you even hear what Sharpton's message was when he had his press conference? If you're going to be critical of him in this instance I'd suggest you find what he said. I bet everything you'd agree with what he said.
Yeah, Al went off on the release of the video of the guy robbing the store, when media made countless requests for the video.
Nah, I'm not going to buy into Al's shtick. It's old, tired and played out.
Just curious, because I haven't seen it. But has anyone here read or heard any indication that this incident in Ferguson would be covered up, and wouldn't be investigated to the fullest extent by local and state authorities?
What? When he got there he spoke with Brown's parents behind him and spoke to the looters and told them that this is not what his parents want, they are ruining what the message should be.
http://youtu.be/ENMOPtjMvO0?t=11s
Also worth noting that shitbag opportunist scum, Al Sharpton, is paying for the funeral. rough ridin' jerk.
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http://www.vox.com/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-mo/2014/8/18/6031679/ferguson-missouri-mo-protests-michael-brown-police-military
jesus
I despise agenda driven reporting.
"A cleared street in Ferguson after protests that lasted until very early August 18. (Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)"
Many other images describe the plight of protesters or the militarized police force. Yet this pic is described as a street cleared when it still has the derbies that "protesters" attempted to use to block the streets to police traffic as the riots were occurring.
Cleared of protestors, genius. And its actually implied from the photo that the debris is left over from the people who previously occupied the street. I get what you're trying to imply but you whiffed.
Yeah you totally missed the point, but thanks for trying. It wasn't that the street was "cleared" but not cleared. Its that they said protesters were cleared instead of rioters, thus the "" around protesters.
A group of people protesting and blocking the street while doing so is not rioting.
At what point do you call it a riot? Road blocks, Molotov cocktails, shots around civilians, shots at police, and destruction of property (via fires) all seem pretty riot-y to me.
One of those things is not like the other - namely 4/5 are violent acts that cause harm to others around them. A road block is not an act of violence.
Also, you should take serious caution knowing that the only news sources who seem comfortable using the term "rioters" interchangeably with protestor or in some cases exclusively are breitbart and the daily news.
Actually obstructing the free flow of people through physical means is an act of violence. But lets not get into that too much because its absurd to argue whether or not roadblocks are legitimate part of marching in protest.
The argument is not about occupying the streets as a legitimate protesting tactic but whether or not it constitutes the label "rioting" which you applied, not me. Show me one source that has referred to non-violent demonstrators in streets as rioters.
Also add telegraph uk, politico, and Wash Po to your list of sources. Keep in mind I'm not saying that all of these protests are riots (like I'm sure Daily and Breitbart are), but these specific clashes in specific areas.
Not all protests are riots but all persons who occupied a street that once may have held a riot must be referred to as rioters, got it.
Paul the problem is that I highlighted a specific night, with a specific event, captured with a specific picture to make my point. A point which every major news outlet said there was riotous behavior. You keep applying your own biases to my point to paint all critiques of these protests with a broad brush. I agree non-violent demonstrators are, by definition, not participating in a riot (once again much to the chagrin of Breitbart). Don't apply your own reflections of frustration to my comments about specific detrimental acts when everyone, from the Brown family to Captain Johnson, agree that this kind of behavior is a setback to the legitimate protests.
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It's 10pm, time for the cops to LRAD then gas a peaceful assembly.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson/what-it-was-like-in-the-streets-on-fergusons-worst-night
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/08/armed-police
HE shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old African-American, by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, is a reminder that civilians—innocent or guilty—are far more likely to be shot by police in America than in any other rich country. In 2012, according to data compiled by the FBI, 410 Americans were “justifiably” killed by police—409 with guns. That figure may well be an underestimate. Not only is it limited to the number of people who were shot while committing a crime, but also, amazingly, reporting the data is voluntary.
Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero.
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Anyone still investigating the shooting?
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If he has any pull at all, Al should just own it and encourage snitching and maybe get some witnesses out.
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Also worth noting that shitbag opportunist scum, Al Sharpton, is paying for the funeral. rough ridin' jerk.
It will be a nice marketing expense deduction for Al Sharpton, LLC.
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/08/armed-police
HE shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old African-American, by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, is a reminder that civilians—innocent or guilty—are far more likely to be shot by police in America than in any other rich country. In 2012, according to data compiled by the FBI, 410 Americans were “justifiably” killed by police—409 with guns. That figure may well be an underestimate. Not only is it limited to the number of people who were shot while committing a crime, but also, amazingly, reporting the data is voluntary.
Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero.
this is amazing.
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I called Crump an opportunist because he is. He fans the flames by publicly characterizing this shooting as an "execution" - to take just one example - which is highly inappropriate for an attorney and officer of the court.
What? :ROFL: man, shut yo ass up, lol
Good answer. Not that you care, but Crump is likely violating MRPC 3.6(a) with his over the top rhetoric.
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WELP
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/501583973085380608
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CNN is pretty much openly questioning/mocking the police right now.
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Put on CNN right now.
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/cnn-anchor-on-police-in-ferguson-monday-night-this-doesn-t-make-any-sense-20140818 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/cnn-anchor-on-police-in-ferguson-monday-night-this-doesn-t-make-any-sense-20140818)
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Shoutout to the YOLO! BOUTIQUE for their sign getting some free national press as a dude gets arrested right underneath it.
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JFC.
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Put on CNN right now.
on
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"we probably shot someone, please clear the area"
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At least 2 cops have said this declaration of an unsafe area is because there was a gunshot victim. Will be interesting to see if that's true. Should be easily verifiable.
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I have the day off tomorrow, thinking about a fergusonPAK. Will need a pakhead for the protest though.
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I have the day off tomorrow, thinking about a fergusonPAK. Will need a pakhead for the protest though.
PAK head gas mask.
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This is so absurd. I keep vacillating between horrified and LOL.
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
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I keep thinking about my total confusion when felix rex talks about the military running egypt and how can that be when they're just government employees. Who the eff is in charge here?
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I keep thinking about my total confusion when felix rex talks about the military running egypt and how can that be when they're just government employees. Who the eff is in charge here?
that's what i keep wondering. when will this end? how?
i'm afraid to think of the possibilities, honestly..
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Arresting the murderer cop would end all of this.
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good job by police to prevent violence/looting
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Arresting the murderer cop would end all of this.
He's not going to be arrested for days or weeks, if at all.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/report-grand-jury-hear-evidence-michael-brown-case
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Some of these cops were so thirsty for some hot gun action, they didn't even bother to put on their cop pants before heading out.
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is that real?
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is that real?
for realz
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Don't the Cops have to like take an oath to protect the constitution or is that just in the armed forces. Reasonably surprised a cop hasn't resigned yet.
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is that real?
First thing you see right now: http://www.stltoday.com/
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far right bro, amirite
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far right bro, amirite
U rite! :lol:
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compared to how LA cops looked during the rodney king riots:
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so like 20 years from now it'll just be robocop?
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abbey road cover was four daris' as well
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The front cops on the left and center are absolutely using this pic for their facebook profile too.
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compared to how LA cops looked during the rodney king riots:
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so like 20 years from now it'll just be robocop?
are you trying to alter the historical record to make a point or just using a bit of hyperbole?
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are you trying to alter the historical record to make a point or just using a bit of hyperbole?
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These cops are even doing the "hands up, don't shoot" thing!
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no, its a mocking deal. these are the cops and NG who have successfully completed their "execute a black youth and cover it up because all cops are racists test."
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
What the eff is this? I see Benjamin Crump as an attorney donating his time, thousands of lawyers do it everyday. Why the eff are we talking about this?
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
What the eff is this? I see Benjamin Crump as an attorney donating his time, thousands of lawyers do it everyday. Why the eff are we talking about this?
kinda out of context at this point. better set in the 'is he or isn't he an opportunist' deal. and the questions are pretty benign and just meant to find out how you feel about this guy.
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
What the eff is this? I see Benjamin Crump as an attorney donating his time, thousands of lawyers do it everyday. Why the eff are we talking about this?
kinda out of context at this point. better set in the 'is he or isn't he an opportunist' deal. and the questions are pretty benign and just meant to find out how you feel about this guy.
I think of him the same way I think of any professional that's donating their time. Feel free to let me know why anyone should think otherwise. I'm interested to know why he is a discussion point, I didn't bring him up.
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
What the eff is this? I see Benjamin Crump as an attorney donating his time, thousands of lawyers do it everyday. Why the eff are we talking about this?
kinda out of context at this point. better set in the 'is he or isn't he an opportunist' deal. and the questions are pretty benign and just meant to find out how you feel about this guy.
I think of him the same way I think of any professional that's donating their time. Feel free to let me know why anyone should think otherwise. I'm interested to know why he is a discussion point, I didn't bring him up.
Never said you brought him up. It did seem like you were defending him pretty vivaciously in my opinion. More to my question's point, I was trying to find out if you think he is doing this out of altruistic value to the under represented groups in the US, agree that it was professional self promotion, or purely an ambulance chaser of a lawyer.
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MiR do you see the family's lawyer as a good Samaritan helping under represented groups? Do you see him as an honest and plain dealer?
What the eff is this? I see Benjamin Crump as an attorney donating his time, thousands of lawyers do it everyday. Why the eff are we talking about this?
kinda out of context at this point. better set in the 'is he or isn't he an opportunist' deal. and the questions are pretty benign and just meant to find out how you feel about this guy.
I think of him the same way I think of any professional that's donating their time. Feel free to let me know why anyone should think otherwise. I'm interested to know why he is a discussion point, I didn't bring him up.
Never said you brought him up. It did seem like you were defending him pretty vivaciously in my opinion. More to my question's point, I was trying to find out if you think he is doing this out of altruistic value to the under represented groups in the US, agree that it was professional self promotion, or purely an ambulance chaser of a lawyer.
I make it a point not to question the motives of someone who provides thousands of dollars of goods or services to someone for free that generally wouldn't be able to get these services. I don't care if he's doing it for publicity for his practice or not, nor should anyone else.
Post-racial America, a black man is asked to justify the motives of another black man making the choice to help other black people :thumbs: I am absolutely sure that this is the first and last conversation on this board with posters openly questioning the motives of an attorney doing pro-bono work, amazing.
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Some of these cops were so thirsty for some hot gun action, they didn't even bother to put on their cop pants before heading out.
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I think they probably got told to stop wearing the paramilitary camo and the only non camo pants this guy owned were jeans from 15 years ago.
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
Uh, in the context of what we were watching live at the time of that post with people throwing crap at the cops, and then the cops throwing gas back at them, yes, they are both assholes. Do you really think this is a one sided affair? Good grief mir
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Why in the hell does it matter why Crump took this case
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
Uh, in the context of what we were watching live at the time of that post with people throwing crap at the cops, and then the cops throwing gas back at them, yes, they are both assholes. Do you really think this is a one sided affair? Good grief mir
No I think this is like a seven sided affair. There aren't just cops and rioters, there were peaceful protesters, angry protesters, media, gawkers, smokers, jamochers, and midnight tokers among these groups. Good grief seven.
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
Uh, in the context of what we were watching live at the time of that post with people throwing crap at the cops, and then the cops throwing gas back at them, yes, they are both assholes. Do you really think this is a one sided affair? Good grief mir
No I think this is like a seven sided affair. There aren't just cops and rioters, there were peaceful protesters, angry protesters, media, gawkers, smokers, jamochers, and midnight tokers among these groups. Good grief seven.
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Review and understanding of motives in situations such as this is not a racial thing.
You don't think Gloria Allred's (one example) motives aren't questioned whenever she intervenes or shows up in front of the cameras MIR?
You still haven't established why Benjamin Crump should be questioned and compared to Gloria Allred. Are we wondering if he's an opportunist because he had the gall to represent the parents of one other black kid that was shot? You don't even know whether or not he is licenced in Missouri or if Brown's parents asked him to help or if he just showed up. All we know is that this dude helped Trayvon Martin's parents and it's helping these people, so I'll ask again, why do we need to question this man's motives?
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Hey look another opportunist crap bag.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/08/18/trayvon-martin-mom-letter-michael-brown-ferguson/14270421/
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
Uh, in the context of what we were watching live at the time of that post with people throwing crap at the cops, and then the cops throwing gas back at them, yes, they are both assholes. Do you really think this is a one sided affair? Good grief mir
No I think this is like a seven sided affair. There aren't just cops and rioters, there were peaceful protesters, angry protesters, media, gawkers, smokers, jamochers, and midnight tokers among these groups. Good grief seven.
Also, there aren't just cops, there's Ferguson city cops, St. Louis county cops, highway patrol, and national guard. And probably more.
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http://www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6043247/ferguson-police-media-harassment?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_name=share-button&utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=article-share-top
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Omg @FelixRex
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5N0QP1QR20140819
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Review and understanding of motives in situations such as this is not a racial thing.
You don't think Gloria Allred's (one example) motives aren't questioned whenever she intervenes or shows up in front of the cameras MIR?
You still haven't established why Benjamin Crump should be questioned and compared to Gloria Allred. Are we wondering if he's an opportunist because he had the gall to represent the parents of one other black kid that was shot? You don't even know whether or not he is licenced in Missouri or if Brown's parents asked him to help or if he just showed up. All we know is that this dude helped Trayvon Martin's parents and it's helping these people, so I'll ask again, why do we need to question this man's motives?
So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
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Why in the hell does it matter why Crump took this case
It doesn't. What matters is that he's hurling around inflamatory accusations like "execution" whenever he can get in front of a microphone. He shouldn't be doing that, both because it violates his duties as an attorney and whips up the mob.
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Christine ByersVerified account
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Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
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I thought Crump was a style of dancing?
Also the only time I heard him speak, it was as if he was reading it and could only remember two words at a time. 2 words pause 2 words pause. Hella annoying.
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Arresting the murderer cop would end all of this.
Yes, the mob must be fed, and that's exactly how out justice system is supposed to work. Don't worry, Wilson will be indicted by week's end, and then in a couple more years we'll have a trial where he'll likely be acquitted. Rinse/repeat.
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Christine ByersVerified account
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Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
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I'm also interested with MiR's remark about living in a post racial America, serious or hyperbole to make a point?
assuming this definition: Post-racial America is a theoretical environment where the United States is devoid of racial preference, discrimination, and prejudice.
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Christine ByersVerified account
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Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
Twitter's not the problem - I'd avoid unnamed "police sources" as a possible source. It's concerning to me that we still don't even have an official police report yet - that seems suspicious to me, but I'm not a cop.
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Christine ByersVerified account
?@ChristineDByers
Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
Legitimate sources on twitter never reported that. As much as I think the media is totally failing this story, I would trust StL Post Dispatch reporters over national media and other random dudes.
edit: Slight *, since I know reporters did talk about the shot in the back, but only to report the narrative, not as a position in fact that Brown was shot from behind.
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Christine ByersVerified account
?@ChristineDByers
Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
Legitimate sources on twitter never reported that. As much as I think the media is totally failing this story, I would trust StL Post Dispatch reporters over national media and other random dudes.
edit: Slight *, since I know reporters did talk about the shot in the back, but only to report the narrative, not as a position in fact that Brown was shot from behind.
That's like if they cited Brown's mother as a source. I bet she can find multiple eye witnesses who support the version that her son was murdered.
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Christine ByersVerified account
?@ChristineDByers
Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
Legitimate sources on twitter never reported that. As much as I think the media is totally failing this story, I would trust StL Post Dispatch reporters over national media and other random dudes.
edit: Slight *, since I know reporters did talk about the shot in the back, but only to report the narrative, not as a position in fact that Brown was shot from behind.
That's like if they cited Brown's mother as a source. I bet she can find multiple eye witnesses who support the version that her son was murdered.
This post just doesn't make sense.
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Christine ByersVerified account
?@ChristineDByers
Police sources tell me more than a dozen white witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
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So do you guys think this guy just went rogue and shot this guy thinking he would get away with it?
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
Return? If you could solve this mystery for me I would appreciate.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
Return? If you could solve this mystery for me I would appreciate.
Wtf
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
Return? If you could solve this mystery for me I would appreciate.
Wtf
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Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson
twitter said he was shot in the back multiple times. I'd avoid twitter as as source.
Legitimate sources on twitter never reported that. As much as I think the media is totally failing this story, I would trust StL Post Dispatch reporters over national media and other random dudes.
edit: Slight *, since I know reporters did talk about the shot in the back, but only to report the narrative, not as a position in fact that Brown was shot from behind.
That's like if they cited Brown's mother as a source. I bet she can find multiple eye witnesses who support the version that her son was murdered.
This post just doesn't make sense.
You think the police department is a good source to cite in justifying one of their officers use of deadly force? They didn't interview the guy who was walking with the dead kid, that's how thorough their investigation is.
I will assume you understood my plainly worded post and were just being pissy.
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like, neither side understands they are total assholes
Neither side? No offense but what are you paying attention to? Do you really think this is a two-sided affair?
Uh, in the context of what we were watching live at the time of that post with people throwing crap at the cops, and then the cops throwing gas back at them, yes, they are both assholes. Do you really think this is a one sided affair? Good grief mir
No I think this is like a seven sided affair. There aren't just cops and rioters, there were peaceful protesters, angry protesters, media, gawkers, smokers, jamochers, and midnight tokers among these groups. Good grief seven.
We agree :cheers:
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Jake Tapper had better watch his back. He was openly mocking all those wannabe soldier cops to their faces and they all just sat there with their mustaches quivering angrily.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
Return? If you could solve this mystery for me I would appreciate.
Wtf
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It is return on my ipad, and i do hit it at the end of a line like an old typewriter, so i guess i shouldn't do that.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
I'm not sure how anyone could suggest with any certainty that it was an issue in the shooting.
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Police are supposed to shoot to kill so the number of shots is irrelevant IMO.
Why he pulled a gun in the first place is the biggest question.
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Police are supposed to shoot to kill so the number of shots is irrelevant IMO.
Why he pulled a gun in the first place is the biggest question.
Really? I thought they tried to knock a perp down sometimes. I could be wrong though.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
I'm not sure how anyone could suggest with any certainty that it was an issue in the shooting.
Well, under mir's assumptions, this was just another card-carrying klan member cop out cruising the streets looking to fill his quota of :ck: for the month
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
I'm not sure how anyone could suggest with any certainty that it was an issue in the shooting.
Of course not, but there's a pretty good chance it was an issue. We're humans, we're all influenced by appearances and can't really help it.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
Do you hit enter at the end of every line or something?
Return? If you could solve this mystery for me I would appreciate.
Wtf
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It is return on my ipad, and i do hit it at the end of a line like an old typewriter, so i guess i shouldn't do that.
I don't think this is getting enough attention ITT.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
I'm not sure how anyone could suggest with any certainty that it was an issue in the shooting.
Of course not, but there's a pretty good chance it was an issue. We're humans, we're all influenced by appearances and can't really help it.
I agree with your second statement that we're all influenced by appearance, but you're making a bit of a stretch from there to "a pretty good chance" race played a factor in the cop's decision to pull the trigger. You simply can't know that or assume it with even reasonable probability. Blacks have a much greater chance of being killed by other blacks, but I wouldn't attribute that to some deep-seated inherent racial prejudice.
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Has anybody had a crazy friend that 90% of the time is just fine but every now and then just goes
Off the rails on the crazytrain? Well i have had a few, people i really liked despite their craziness but
what happens is they get all wound up about something, start being irrational, paranoid etc. and I want
to be their friend, calm them down, walk them through reality step by step and after alot of effort
they still don't really get it. The first time this happens with someone I'm ok with it, 2nd time I might
tolerate it, after that I just avoid being around them.
I shoot them the first time. (6 times, you don't realize how easy it is to fire six shots quickly.)
Either way this situation gets miss-diagnosed as racism alot.
Yeah, clearly race is not an issue in the Mike Brown shooting and subsequent events.
I'm not sure how anyone could suggest with any certainty that it was an issue in the shooting.
Of course not, but there's a pretty good chance it was an issue. We're humans, we're all influenced by appearances and can't really help it.
I agree with your second statement that we're all influenced by appearance, but you're making a bit of a stretch from there to "a pretty good chance" race played a factor in the cop's decision to pull the trigger. You simply can't know that or assume it with even reasonable probability.
Looking at the traffic stop rates in Ferguson by race and the data regarding the higher rate cops kill blacks during arrests and the fact that the cop was a human, one can assume with reasonable probability that race was a factor in the interaction between Brown and the cop. Perhaps not at the precise moment he pulled the trigger, but in the way the two initiated contact and subsequently escalated.
Race was likely a factor for Brown, as well - if Ferguson had any black cops on staff he may have a better impression of the mission of the local police and perhaps not have been so hostile. Unfortunately I don't have data on the attitude of youth to police with similar demographics like I do with the rate at which cops kill black people.
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
Now you're just being daft to duck the valid point. If you don't think that Jackson and Sharpton promote themselves as black community leadership you are lying now or lying to yourself. I mean eff dude:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WJhPLGMhRuQ/hqdefault.jpg)
That episode happened for a reason. A very complex reason, but a very valid one.
And the point about Curmp is what value he has in representing two civil rights/questionable shootings of black youths. You are ducking the point about this guy in order to expand you bullshit critique about how people over generalize and treat the black community with suspicion.
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Of course, my cops killing blacks data may be skewed, because nobody's really sure how many people cops kill annually(!)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-the-police-kill-each-year/
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Well, under mir's assumptions, this was just another card-carrying klan member cop out cruising the streets looking to fill his quota of :ck: for the month
Yeah, that's exactly what I said, you stupid eff. You didn't get enough before when I was forced to point out that you didn't understand the word anyone? Link one post where I said anything about the cop's motivation for shooting Brown, I'll wait.
I didn't think so. Were you a FAS baby? Shut the eff up. I purposefully didn't say anything about the cop because I knew one of you rough ridin' morons who doesn't understand nuance would just make some crap up.
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Should probably qualify this post with *** possible shennanigans***
The gateway pundit is reporting that the officer suffered a blowout fracture of the orbital bone over his left eye. It includes a stock sagittal image of a CT scan showing what these fractures look like. At first, I thought it was the CT scan of the officer involved. But it's not.
If this is indeed true, the officer is going to look really beat up on any images taken after the incident. These fractures result in swelling and bruising. Like any black eye, it lasts for weeks.
This is just becoming more tragic. I watched the family in an interview today. I cannot fathom burying my son under these circumstances.
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Looking at the traffic stop rates in Ferguson by race and the data regarding the higher rate cops kill blacks during arrests and the fact that the cop was a human, one can assume with reasonable probability that race was a factor in the interaction between Brown and the cop.
Not sure if your claims are correct that Ferguson police subject blacks to a disproportionate number of traffic stops, or that police kill a disproportionate number of blacks during arrest, but I don't think either of those things proves overt or inherent racism.
Perhaps not at the precise moment he pulled the trigger, but in the way the two initiated contact and subsequently escalated.
The way Brown and Wilson "initiated contact" seems pretty well uncontroverted. Brown had just finished robbing a store, was walking down the middle of the street, and the officer told him to get on the sidewalk. That doesn't sound very racist.
As for how the conflict "subsequently escalated," it seems most likely that Brown assaulted Wilson, given Wilson's seated position in the vehicle and Brown's assault of the shopkeeper just 10 minutes prior and otherwise deranged behavior (rob a store, assualt the shopkeeper, then stroll down the street and refuse to obey an officer). Again, not seeing racism here on the part of Wilson.
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This whole thing is making everybody stupid. I mean, like, all sides are looking really dumb in this whole thing.
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This whole thing is making everybody stupid. I mean, like, all sides are looking really dumb in this whole thing.
And don't get me started with the dumbasses on Facebook posting about it. I mean, woof! One had statistics about black on black crime vs white on black crime, one wanted to let everyone know how racist we all are, etc. I'm over it. What a shitty thing. :frown:
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople.
http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/ (http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/) :dunno:
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
Now you're just being daft to duck the valid point. If you don't think that Jackson and Sharpton promote themselves as black community leadership you are lying now or lying to yourself. I mean eff dude:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WJhPLGMhRuQ/hqdefault.jpg)
That episode happened for a reason. A very complex reason, but a very valid one.
And the point about Curmp is what value he has in representing two civil rights/questionable shootings of black youths. You are ducking the point about this guy in order to expand you bullshit critique about how people over generalize and treat the black community with suspicion.
So to recap, ednksu asked me how black people feel about Sharpton and Jackson. I, me, a real life black person told him what I and others I know think of them. Then the dude essentially called me a liar because I didn't confirm what he thought was true and used a cartoon about white people written by two white people who live in Boulder, Colorado as proof that I'm lying. Simply fantastic.
now give me a second while I yell to make a point about the second thing he addresses.
WHAT rough ridin' VALUE DOES HE STAND TO GAIN, HE TAKES THESE CASES FOR FREE!!! HE HAS A PRACTICE IN TALLAHASSEE WHERE HE MAKES HIS MONEY, HE ISN'T MAKING A rough ridin' CENT OFF OF THIS. WHEN THE MARTIN/ZIMMERMAN CASE WAS SETTLED HE ASKED THAT THE SETTLEMENT REMAIN SEALED. NOT DISCLOSING HOW MUCH MONEY ONE OF HIS CLIENTS MADE IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
Dear rough ridin' god man.
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Should probably qualify this post with *** possible shennanigans***
The gateway pundit is reporting that the officer suffered a blowout fracture of the orbital bone over his left eye. It includes a stock sagittal image of a CT scan showing what these fractures look like. At first, I thought it was the CT scan of the officer involved. But it's not.
If this is indeed true, the officer is going to look really beat up on any images taken after the incident. These fractures result in swelling and bruising. Like any black eye, it lasts for weeks.
This is just becoming more tragic. I watched the family in an interview today. I cannot fathom burying my son under these circumstances.
The Ferguson Police Chief said on CNN last week that the officer was treated with a swollen face and had no further injuries.
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Looking at the traffic stop rates in Ferguson by race and the data regarding the higher rate cops kill blacks during arrests and the fact that the cop was a human, one can assume with reasonable probability that race was a factor in the interaction between Brown and the cop.
Not sure if your claims are correct that Ferguson police subject blacks to a disproportionate number of traffic stops, or that police kill a disproportionate number of blacks during arrest, but I don't think either of those things proves overt or inherent racism.
Ferguson police are much more likely to stop, search and arrest African-American drivers than white ones. Last year, blacks, who make up a little less than two-thirds of the driving-age population in the North County city, accounted for 86 percent of all stops. When stopped, they were almost twice as likely to be searched as whites and twice as likely to be arrested, though police were less likely to find contraband on them.
Last year, Ferguson police searched 12.1 percent of black drivers they stopped, compared to 6.9 percent for whites. Contraband was found 22 percent of the time when the driver was black and 34 percent when the driver was white.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-stops-in-ferguson-what-are-the-numbers/article_012cf751-9cec-5733-8025-09e03abb9d86.html
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/reports/161.pdf
If it isn't racism, what is your explanation?
The cop killing death is here:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf
Again, this data is inconclusive because we don't have an accurate count of how many people policemen kill each year.
Perhaps not at the precise moment he pulled the trigger, but in the way the two initiated contact and subsequently escalated.
The way Brown and Wilson "initiated contact" seems pretty well uncontroverted. Brown had just finished robbing a store, was walking down the middle of the street, and the officer told him to get on the sidewalk. That doesn't sound very racist.
As for how the conflict "subsequently escalated," it seems most likely that Brown assaulted Wilson, given Wilson's seated position in the vehicle and Brown's assault of the shopkeeper just 10 minutes prior and otherwise deranged behavior (rob a store, assualt the shopkeeper, then stroll down the street and refuse to obey an officer). Again, not seeing racism here on the part of Wilson.
I don't think any human interaction is as simple as you seem to think this interaction that resulted with a dead unarmed teenager was.
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Review and understanding of motives in situations such as this is not a racial thing.
You don't think Gloria Allred's (one example) motives aren't questioned whenever she intervenes or shows up in front of the cameras MIR?
You still haven't established why Benjamin Crump should be questioned and compared to Gloria Allred. Are we wondering if he's an opportunist because he had the gall to represent the parents of one other black kid that was shot? You don't even know whether or not he is licenced in Missouri or if Brown's parents asked him to help or if he just showed up. All we know is that this dude helped Trayvon Martin's parents and it's helping these people, so I'll ask again, why do we need to question this man's motives?
Who is using any of the words you constantly pull out, "Crap bag" etc. etc.
Like I've said before, there's no use in even discussing this with you, because you're extremely hyper-defensive about it. The track record for some of the personalities that have injected themselves into this situation speaks for itself. There's no doubt in my mind there's many in that area who wish they never would have shown up and would just go away.
You still have not established why Crump should fit here, and its clear that you won't so you go ahead and have the last word not addressing why Crump is an opportunist.
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople.
http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/ (http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/) :dunno:
Did you watch that video? I am not being facetious when I state that it literally has nothing to do with that sentence that you clipped from my post. He could have been talking about Al Sharpton's weight loss and it would have been more relevant. I'm confused with the point you're trying to make.
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The Ferguson Police Chief said on CNN last week that the officer was treated with a swollen face and had no further injuries.
I recall reading something similar now that you mention it. If he had a blowout fx the PD would have released images I'm sure.
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople.
http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/ (http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/) :dunno:
Did you watch that video? I am not being facetious when I state that it literally has nothing to do with that sentence that you clipped from my post. He could have been talking about Al Sharpton's weight loss and it would have been more relevant. I'm confused with the point you're trying to make.
I guess I was just curious why that guy was discussing something that "white people" just "made up".
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Watching KMOV feed and there was another officer involved killing today in North STL. Apparently the suspect was brandishing a knife.
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can we get these fuckers some goddam tasers or pepper spray or something?
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
Now you're just being daft to duck the valid point. If you don't think that Jackson and Sharpton promote themselves as black community leadership you are lying now or lying to yourself. I mean eff dude:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WJhPLGMhRuQ/hqdefault.jpg)
That episode happened for a reason. A very complex reason, but a very valid one.
And the point about Curmp is what value he has in representing two civil rights/questionable shootings of black youths. You are ducking the point about this guy in order to expand you bullshit critique about how people over generalize and treat the black community with suspicion.
So to recap, ednksu asked me how black people feel about Sharpton and Jackson. I, me, a real life black person told him what I and others I know think of them. Then the dude essentially called me a liar because I didn't confirm what he thought was true and used a cartoon about white people written by two white people who live in Boulder, Colorado as proof that I'm lying. Simply fantastic.
now give me a second while I yell to make a point about the second thing he addresses.
WHAT rough ridin' VALUE DOES HE STAND TO GAIN, HE TAKES THESE CASES FOR FREE!!! HE HAS A PRACTICE IN TALLAHASSEE WHERE HE MAKES HIS MONEY, HE ISN'T MAKING A rough ridin' CENT OFF OF THIS. WHEN THE MARTIN/ZIMMERMAN CASE WAS SETTLED HE ASKED THAT THE SETTLEMENT REMAIN SEALED. NOT DISCLOSING HOW MUCH MONEY ONE OF HIS CLIENTS MADE IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
Dear rough ridin' god man.
starkly and profoundly wtong at every level.
First I asked you about the lawyer directly and you diflected with a it does matter he is a pro quip no way black dudes would be self promoters. When asked about you diflected with a racist remark about how white people all think blacks have elected leadership and group meetings. Totally offensive response which promoted nothing but ignorance and was only subterfuge to duck the serious issues with exploiters like Jackson (who rightly so are being booed by the black comminity because these men see these events as fundraisers.) Which leads to the final note that thesr situatuons can lead to alot of money via speaking fees, fundraising for foundations, future clients (wrong about sealed settlements) and a number of other avenues.
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So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople.
http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/ (http://blackcommunitynews.com/watch-dr-ben-carson-role-black-leaders-ferguson/) :dunno:
Did you watch that video? I am not being facetious when I state that it literally has nothing to do with that sentence that you clipped from my post. He could have been talking about Al Sharpton's weight loss and it would have been more relevant. I'm confused with the point you're trying to make.
I guess I was just curious why that guy was discussing something that "white people" just "made up".
So you didn't watch it. He never called Sharpton a leader in the black community nor discussed Sharpton as a leader. Maybe write an email to whomever runs that website and ask him why the made the url say that :dunno:
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can we get these fuckers some goddam tasers or pepper spray or something?
No other details. But this will make folks even more edgy.
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The Ferguson Police Chief said on CNN last week that the officer was treated with a swollen face and had no further injuries.
I recall reading something similar now that you mention it. If he had a blowout fx the PD would have released images I'm sure.
It takes time to hit yourself in the face and for the swelling to go down. Be patient
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
from the same people that brought us the "michael brown made gang signs" breaking news
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
from the same people that brought us the "michael brown made gang signs" breaking news
from the comments:
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The next revelation will be there is Brown's DNA on the gun.
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starkly and profoundly wtong at every level.
First I asked you about the lawyer directly and you diflected with a it does matter he is a pro quip no way black dudes would be self promoters. When asked about you diflected with a racist remark about how white people all think blacks have elected leadership and group meetings. Totally offensive response which promoted nothing but ignorance and was only subterfuge to duck the serious issues with exploiters like Jackson (who rightly so are being booed by the black comminity because these men see these events as fundraisers.) Which leads to the final note that thesr situatuons can lead to alot of money via speaking fees, fundraising for foundations, future clients (wrong about sealed settlements) and a number of other avenues.
Dude, I answered every question you asked, you just didn't like the answer.
So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
No, the "black community" did not boo Jesse Jackson, some people at that press conference booed Jesse Jackson. Why do you keep on insisting on putting us in groupings? In essence this entire conversation is you trying to put us in groups, when I tell you not to do it, you get mad and tell me that either I'm wrong or are ducking your hard hitting questions. I asked you several questions as it pertains to this that you didn't answer, who are the while leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? What is a "black community?" Are you talking about the people of Ferguson, if so why are you asking me how they feel about people, I haven't taken a poll? If you are referring to the people of Ferguson why are you splitting out the black component?
Also I'm wrong about Crump asking about the Martin/Zimmerman civil settlement remain sealed? Okay buddy.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-04-15/news/os-trayvon-hoa-settlement-crump-argument-20130415_1_sybrina-fulton-trayvon-martin-benjamin-crump
I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel's also wrong.
All of those reasons you listed that Crump has to gain for doing pro bono work could be transferred to every attorney ever.
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I had no idea how much white dudes hated Jesse and Al.
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Serious question here.... What happens on a national level if it's announced that this cop won't be charged? I'm not saying he won't or even guessing one way or the other... just "what if"? I mean... it's going to be rough ridin' insane right? Like lots of broken crap.
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starkly and profoundly wtong at every level.
First I asked you about the lawyer directly and you diflected with a it does matter he is a pro quip no way black dudes would be self promoters. When asked about you diflected with a racist remark about how white people all think blacks have elected leadership and group meetings. Totally offensive response which promoted nothing but ignorance and was only subterfuge to duck the serious issues with exploiters like Jackson (who rightly so are being booed by the black comminity because these men see these events as fundraisers.) Which leads to the final note that thesr situatuons can lead to alot of money via speaking fees, fundraising for foundations, future clients (wrong about sealed settlements) and a number of other avenues.
Dude, I answered every question you asked, you just didn't like the answer.
So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
No, the "black community" did not boo Jesse Jackson, some people at that press conference booed Jesse Jackson. Why do you keep on insisting on putting us in groupings? In essence this entire conversation is you trying to put us in groups, when I tell you not to do it, you get mad and tell me that either I'm wrong or are ducking your hard hitting questions. I asked you several questions as it pertains to this that you didn't answer, who are the while leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? What is a "black community?" Are you talking about the people of Ferguson, if so why are you asking me how they feel about people, I haven't taken a poll? If you are referring to the people of Ferguson why are you splitting out the black component?
Also I'm wrong about Crump asking about the Martin/Zimmerman civil settlement remain sealed? Okay buddy.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-04-15/news/os-trayvon-hoa-settlement-crump-argument-20130415_1_sybrina-fulton-trayvon-martin-benjamin-crump
I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel's also wrong.
All of those reasons you listed that Crump has to gain for doing pro bono work could be transferred to every attorney ever.
more racism from MiR bug surprise. I never put black people into groupings. But its absurd to say that. Certain leaders in the black community havent generated an enormous amounty of gravity through their groups and activism. I never asked you about what blacks thought. I asked about your views on those centers of gravity and how they interact positively and negatively. Your racism, based on facts you assume im sure, has attempted to deflect self evaluation through red herrings like "who are the white or hispanic leaders". The questions were designed to ask questions of members here to further discourse to find personal views.
And the point about the sealed settlements was that silence isnt bad, not the status of one case.
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Police are supposed to shoot to kill so the number of shots is irrelevant IMO.
Why he pulled a gun in the first place is the biggest question.
Really? I thought they tried to knock a perp down sometimes. I could be wrong though.
I could be mistaken. I am remembering my DARE officer talking about it. I'm pretty that when they are trained they shoot to kill when they shoot though.
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Serious question here.... What happens on a national level if it's announced that this cop won't be charged? I'm not saying he won't or even guessing one way or the other... just "what if"? I mean... it's going to be rough ridin' insane right? Like lots of broken crap.
Why do you think that?
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Police are supposed to shoot to kill so the number of shots is irrelevant IMO.
Why he pulled a gun in the first place is the biggest question.
Really? I thought they tried to knock a perp down sometimes. I could be wrong though.
I could be mistaken. I am remembering my DARE officer talking about it. I'm pretty that when they are trained they shoot to kill when they shoot though.
cops are trained to shoot center mass. It is the highest force on the continuum of force available to a LEO and has fairly strict standards. Its important to remember the escalation of force isnt a chess match and force is employed to overcome a threat, not to equal it.
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I love clickhole
http://www.clickhole.com/article/10-beautiful-interracial-arrests-798?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook
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Serious question here.... What happens on a national level if it's announced that this cop won't be charged? I'm not saying he won't or even guessing one way or the other... just "what if"? I mean... it's going to be rough ridin' insane right? Like lots of broken crap.
Why do you think that?
Because basically the entire world is convinced this guy is guilty and needs to be put away. It's going to extend well beyond Ferguson if this guy somehow walks due to lack of supporting evidence.
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Serious question here.... What happens on a national level if it's announced that this cop won't be charged? I'm not saying he won't or even guessing one way or the other... just "what if"? I mean... it's going to be rough ridin' insane right? Like lots of broken crap.
Why do you think that?
Because basically the entire world is convinced this guy is guilty and needs to be put away. It's going to extend well beyond Ferguson if this guy somehow walks due to lack of supporting evidence.
No
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This thread is too long to read, but did you guys know they just killed another guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html
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This thread is too long to read, but did you guys know they just killed another guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html
yeah its almost like he had a knife and was threatening the cops. Such bullshit.
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Good grief.
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Isn't the #1 rule to never bring a knife to a gun fight?
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This thread is too long to read, but did you guys know they just killed another guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html
Sounds like this guy was just asking to get shot.
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This thread is too long to read, but did you guys know they just killed another guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-live-updates-day-10-130710733.html
Sounds like this guy was just asking to get shot.
martyr
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Isn't the #1 rule to never bring a knife to a gun fight?
The first rule is "You don't talk about Fight Club", but that's probably the second rule.
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Isn't the #1 rule to never bring a knife to a gun fight?
The first rule is "You don't talk about Fight Club", but that's probably the second rule.
:thumbs:
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Why didn't these racist pigs just give him a puppy dog for the knife!
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The knife guy sounds like "suicide by cop." He wanted to get killed. Totally different situation, and I hope it doesn't get wrapped into this.
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Welp...
Brad Essex?@BradEssex·20s
Al Sharpton is a racist and hate black people!
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Police are supposed to shoot to kill so the number of shots is irrelevant IMO.
Why he pulled a gun in the first place is the biggest question.
Really? I thought they tried to knock a perp down sometimes. I could be wrong though.
I could be mistaken. I am remembering my DARE officer talking about it. I'm pretty that when they are trained they shoot to kill when they shoot though.
cops are trained to shoot center mass. It is the highest force on the continuum of force available to a LEO and has fairly strict standards. Its important to remember the escalation of force isnt a chess match and force is employed to overcome a threat, not to equal it.
And the head is not center mass.
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The knife guy sounds like "suicide by cop." He wanted to get killed. Totally different situation, and I hope it doesn't get wrapped into this.
Actually it sounds like "murder by cop".
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Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
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I'd think clubbing a guy would be more gratifying.
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All the talk earlier about opportunists, someone should have used the UPS slogan in their responses.
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Rubber bullet right to the face.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
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Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
:confused:
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/)
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If all the officers are good for is verbal commands and killing people. I'd rather they weren't cops. I've been stabbed. It's not that bad. Sack up fellas.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/)
Eye for eye, you think then?
P.S. he didn't get his socket blown out.
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PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
http://gizmodo.com/ferguson-police-will-finally-get-the-one-device-they-re-1623312960/+laceydonohue (http://gizmodo.com/ferguson-police-will-finally-get-the-one-device-they-re-1623312960/+laceydonohue)
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
yeah no one said it was the same thing. I mean, the guy is just as dead as Brown and the guys that killed him were also cops, but everyone recognizes differences between the cases.
That being said, I think every time a cop kills a citizen (knife-wielding or otherwise) it deserves serious scrutiny.
Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
I'm fine with rubber bullets or tasers, too, I was just curious about baton use, that's all.
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starkly and profoundly wtong at every level.
First I asked you about the lawyer directly and you diflected with a it does matter he is a pro quip no way black dudes would be self promoters. When asked about you diflected with a racist remark about how white people all think blacks have elected leadership and group meetings. Totally offensive response which promoted nothing but ignorance and was only subterfuge to duck the serious issues with exploiters like Jackson (who rightly so are being booed by the black comminity because these men see these events as fundraisers.) Which leads to the final note that thesr situatuons can lead to alot of money via speaking fees, fundraising for foundations, future clients (wrong about sealed settlements) and a number of other avenues.
Dude, I answered every question you asked, you just didn't like the answer.
So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
No, the "black community" did not boo Jesse Jackson, some people at that press conference booed Jesse Jackson. Why do you keep on insisting on putting us in groupings? In essence this entire conversation is you trying to put us in groups, when I tell you not to do it, you get mad and tell me that either I'm wrong or are ducking your hard hitting questions. I asked you several questions as it pertains to this that you didn't answer, who are the while leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? What is a "black community?" Are you talking about the people of Ferguson, if so why are you asking me how they feel about people, I haven't taken a poll? If you are referring to the people of Ferguson why are you splitting out the black component?
Also I'm wrong about Crump asking about the Martin/Zimmerman civil settlement remain sealed? Okay buddy.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-04-15/news/os-trayvon-hoa-settlement-crump-argument-20130415_1_sybrina-fulton-trayvon-martin-benjamin-crump
I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel's also wrong.
All of those reasons you listed that Crump has to gain for doing pro bono work could be transferred to every attorney ever.
more racism from MiR bug surprise. I never put black people into groupings. But its absurd to say that. Certain leaders in the black community havent generated an enormous amounty of gravity through their groups and activism. I never asked you about what blacks thought. I asked about your views on those centers of gravity and how they interact positively and negatively. Your racism, based on facts you assume im sure, has attempted to deflect self evaluation through red herrings like "who are the white or hispanic leaders". The questions were designed to ask questions of members here to further discourse to find personal views.
And the point about the sealed settlements was that silence isnt bad, not the status of one case.
I don't think you know what racism is, you should look it up. You said that you aren't grouping black people and then in the very next sentence once again used the term "black community." I will ask again, what is the black community and how do you get a community without placing black people into groups. I'm also certain you don't know what the term red herring means. Asking you who the white leaders, hispanic leaders, and asian leaders were used to back up my point that using the phrase black leaders and assigning them to anyone is ridiculous. The fact that their isn't "leaders" of those other groups is evidence that assigning black leaders is a ridiculous exercise. I'm willing to bet that literally everyone else reading this understands this point but you refuse to give in.
A black person is telling you that himself and every other black person he knows personally don't see these dudes as leaders and to stop placing us in a community as if we all think the same but you continue to argue with me. Of all of the :surprised: and :ROFL: moments you've had on this board, this one is the most unbelievable to me.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
yeah no one said it was the same thing. I mean, the guy is just as dead as Brown and the guys that killed him were also cops, but everyone recognizes differences between the cases.
That being said, I think every time a cop kills a citizen (knife-wielding or otherwise) it deserves serious scrutiny.
Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
I'm fine with rubber bullets or tasers, too, I was just curious about baton use, that's all.
If a crazy person with a knife wouldn't stop coming after me and I had a gun and I had a baton, I don't think I'd resort to the baton first. I mean assuming I'm clearly telling the guy stop coming at me with that knife or I'm going to rough ridin' shoot you. I would think like one shot in the leg would probably do the trick. Never shot anyone though so cannot confirm.
I mean why not just keep shooting at his legs until he drops if it gets that far? Seems less likely to be lethal and just as effective at stopping.
I know with those tasers if both probes don't stick then they don't do crap. I wouldn't risk a stabbing on one of those. Same with rubber bullets. If they don't do the trick, you're not going to get the chance to swap in the real ones. Wouldn't risk it personally. The knife wielder needs to take some ownership of the situation too. He doesn't have to keep chasing after me when I have my gun out.
Seems like I've got this situ all sorted.
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If anything this situation is worse than Michael brown. These officers knew the threat was coming and had time to make a more informed decision. They could have easily shot him in the legs. In browns case, the cop was being attacked and was in the heat of the moment.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
yeah no one said it was the same thing. I mean, the guy is just as dead as Brown and the guys that killed him were also cops, but everyone recognizes differences between the cases.
That being said, I think every time a cop kills a citizen (knife-wielding or otherwise) it deserves serious scrutiny.
Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
I'm fine with rubber bullets or tasers, too, I was just curious about baton use, that's all.
If a crazy person with a knife wouldn't stop coming after me and I had a gun and I had a baton, I don't think I'd resort to the baton first. I mean assuming I'm clearly telling the guy stop coming at me with that knife or I'm going to rough ridin' shoot you. I would think like one shot in the leg would probably do the trick. Never shot anyone though so cannot confirm.
I mean why not just keep shooting at his legs until he drops if it gets that far? Seems less likely to be lethal and just as effective at stopping.
I know with those tasers if both probes don't stick then they don't do crap. I wouldn't risk a stabbing on one of those. Same with rubber bullets. If they don't do the trick, you're not going to get the chance to swap in the real ones. Wouldn't risk it personally. The knife wielder needs to take some ownership of the situation too. He doesn't have to keep chasing after me when I have my gun out.
Seems like I've got this situ all sorted.
Well I would think someone trained in baton use could pretty well beat the crap out of someone with a knife and not kill them.
Of course, it's possible I'm overestimating the ability of these cops.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
yeah no one said it was the same thing. I mean, the guy is just as dead as Brown and the guys that killed him were also cops, but everyone recognizes differences between the cases.
That being said, I think every time a cop kills a citizen (knife-wielding or otherwise) it deserves serious scrutiny.
Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
I'm fine with rubber bullets or tasers, too, I was just curious about baton use, that's all.
If a crazy person with a knife wouldn't stop coming after me and I had a gun and I had a baton, I don't think I'd resort to the baton first. I mean assuming I'm clearly telling the guy stop coming at me with that knife or I'm going to rough ridin' shoot you. I would think like one shot in the leg would probably do the trick. Never shot anyone though so cannot confirm.
I mean why not just keep shooting at his legs until he drops if it gets that far? Seems less likely to be lethal and just as effective at stopping.
I know with those tasers if both probes don't stick then they don't do crap. I wouldn't risk a stabbing on one of those. Same with rubber bullets. If they don't do the trick, you're not going to get the chance to swap in the real ones. Wouldn't risk it personally. The knife wielder needs to take some ownership of the situation too. He doesn't have to keep chasing after me when I have my gun out.
Seems like I've got this situ all sorted.
Well I would think someone trained in baton use could pretty well beat the crap out of someone with a knife and not kill them.
Of course, it's possible I'm overestimating the ability of these cops.
It depends on who is wielding the knife, really.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
yeah no one said it was the same thing. I mean, the guy is just as dead as Brown and the guys that killed him were also cops, but everyone recognizes differences between the cases.
That being said, I think every time a cop kills a citizen (knife-wielding or otherwise) it deserves serious scrutiny.
Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
I'm not all that comfortable asking police officers to risk their lives against somebody wielding a knife by using their batons. Why not just arm the cops with rubber bullets and tazers? They can carry lethal ammunition in their back pocket, but should have to physically load it into the gun to use it.
I'm fine with rubber bullets or tasers, too, I was just curious about baton use, that's all.
If a crazy person with a knife wouldn't stop coming after me and I had a gun and I had a baton, I don't think I'd resort to the baton first. I mean assuming I'm clearly telling the guy stop coming at me with that knife or I'm going to rough ridin' shoot you. I would think like one shot in the leg would probably do the trick. Never shot anyone though so cannot confirm.
I mean why not just keep shooting at his legs until he drops if it gets that far? Seems less likely to be lethal and just as effective at stopping.
I know with those tasers if both probes don't stick then they don't do crap. I wouldn't risk a stabbing on one of those. Same with rubber bullets. If they don't do the trick, you're not going to get the chance to swap in the real ones. Wouldn't risk it personally. The knife wielder needs to take some ownership of the situation too. He doesn't have to keep chasing after me when I have my gun out.
Seems like I've got this situ all sorted.
Well I would think someone trained in baton use could pretty well beat the crap out of someone with a knife and not kill them.
Of course, it's possible I'm overestimating the ability of these cops.
You really, really are.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
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my side will keep k-state 'cuz you're side will outlaw football anyway ok.
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Yeah, you complete bungled your explanation.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
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As long as my side gets Kansas and Wyoming, then I say Trim 3:16.
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Big boss man used to really work the baton
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
when the viewpoints are abortion vs. adoption, right to bear arms or not, seal the border or not, amnesty or not, go to war or not, socialistic policies or not, hate the police or not, global warming or not, God or not. These are not small differences in point of view, you deserve to live amongst like minded people and govern yourselves according to your beliefs without me and people that agree with me stopping you, and vice versa, the dysfunction
of the current state of affairs is hurting and frustrating most people in my view.
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Tube sock: You sound like a huge wimp.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
when the viewpoints are abortion vs. adoption, right to bear arms or not, seal the border or not, amnesty or not, go to war or not, socialistic policies or not, hate the police or not, global warming or not, God or not. These are not small differences in point of view, you deserve to live amongst like minded people and govern yourselves according to your beliefs without me and people that agree with me stopping you, and vice versa, the dysfunction
of the current state of affairs is hurting and frustrating most people in my view.
None of the issues you listed are simple black/white right/wrong issues. Have a real dialogue with real people and you'll see.
And you always have a right to try to change things if you don't like them. Unfortunately we haven't gotten to a point in world society where you can live/work/govern exactly how and where you want to, so you're probably stuck here with trying to influence people you don't always agree with.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
when the viewpoints are abortion vs. adoption, right to bear arms or not, seal the border or not, amnesty or not, go to war or not, socialistic policies or not, hate the police or not, global warming or not, God or not. These are not small differences in point of view, you deserve to live amongst like minded people and govern yourselves according to your beliefs without me and people that agree with me stopping you, and vice versa, the dysfunction
of the current state of affairs is hurting and frustrating most people in my view.
If we group all dumbasses with other like minded dumbasses then how will they ever become non-dumbasses?
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I don't think that's dysfunction. The presence of opposing viewpoints is a good thing. Extremity in all forms is a bad thing. Dysfunction would be if no one were there to tell you you're being a dumbass. Dysfunction would be everyone agreeing with you.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
Wouldn't shooting the idiot in the knee-caps be just as effective?
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And I honestly don't know which side of the fence tubesock lies, but either way it wouldn't be difficult to find a like-minded community where he rarely had to interact with people that disagreed with his worldview. I would guess he already does, honestly.
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
when the viewpoints are abortion vs. adoption, right to bear arms or not, seal the border or not, amnesty or not, go to war or not, socialistic policies or not, hate the police or not, global warming or not, God or not. These are not small differences in point of view, you deserve to live amongst like minded people and govern yourselves according to your beliefs without me and people that agree with me stopping you, and vice versa, the dysfunction
of the current state of affairs is hurting and frustrating most people in my view.
None of the issues you listed are simple black/white right/wrong issues. Have a real dialogue with real people and you'll see.
And you always have a right to try to change things if you don't like them. Unfortunately we haven't gotten to a point in world society where you can live/work/govern exactly how and where you want to, so you're probably stuck here with trying to influence people you don't always agree with.
people will always have disagreements even in my scenario, but the idea that Hamas and Isreal live together would be silly right? To your point, I am
currently trying to influence people on this board to consider a political divorce.
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I don't think that's dysfunction. The presence of opposing viewpoints is a good thing. Extremity in all forms is a bad thing. Dysfunction would be if no one were there to tell you you're being a dumbass. Dysfunction would be everyone agreeing with you.
Yes, one of the best (and most frustrating) things about the US is how hard it is to change things, it really levels most things out to the middle
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America is just too polarized left and right, it's probably time for a divorce and separation, each majority way of thinking deserves its opportunity to govern themselves their way. Is anyone on the right or the left opposed to something like this.
I don't think people are as extreme as the internet makes it seem.
I do, me and half the country rarely agree with you, and you and half the country rarely agree with me. So what is the point of driving each other nuts
with each others "bullshit".
So you just don't like opposing viewpoints?
when the viewpoints are abortion vs. adoption, right to bear arms or not, seal the border or not, amnesty or not, go to war or not, socialistic policies or not, hate the police or not, global warming or not, God or not. These are not small differences in point of view, you deserve to live amongst like minded people and govern yourselves according to your beliefs without me and people that agree with me stopping you, and vice versa, the dysfunction
of the current state of affairs is hurting and frustrating most people in my view.
None of the issues you listed are simple black/white right/wrong issues. Have a real dialogue with real people and you'll see.
And you always have a right to try to change things if you don't like them. Unfortunately we haven't gotten to a point in world society where you can live/work/govern exactly how and where you want to, so you're probably stuck here with trying to influence people you don't always agree with.
people will always have disagreements even in my scenario, but the idea that Hamas and Isreal live together would be silly right? To your point, I am
currently trying to influence people on this board to consider a political divorce.
I think under the right circumstances Jews and Muslims could live in relative harmony in Palestine/Israel. It would take a long time, but I mean there were Jews living among Muslims in Palestine in relative peace before Zionism, so it's possible that it could happen again.
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I don't think that's dysfunction. The presence of opposing viewpoints is a good thing. Extremity in all forms is a bad thing. Dysfunction would be if no one were there to tell you you're being a dumbass. Dysfunction would be everyone agreeing with you.
I disagree that extremity is always a bad thing. Not long ago you were an extremist if you thought gays should be allowed to marry and women should be allowed to vote. Sometimes great ideas become mainstream via extremism.
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I assume police are trained to use the baton on an unarmed person acting threateningly. (Mike Brown?)
This is what happened with the knife guy, and what "suicide by cop" looks like:
When two officers stopped him, the suspect shouted, "Shoot me! Kill me now!" The suspect refused verbal commands to stop and approached the officers holding a knife in an "overhand grip," getting within three or four feet of them, police said. Both officers fired at the suspect, killing him.
Come on, this ain't the same thing as Ferguson. I feel bad for those two cops who were put in that position to have to shoot someone.
Wouldn't shooting the idiot in the knee-caps be just as effective?
You would think so. Some of my gun-totin friends though, I don't own a gun fwiw, say if you're going to shoot somebody you have to blow their insides out because shooting them in the arm or the leg means you weren't in fear of your life and could end up in court and in jail. I have no idea what they are talking about so I just change the subject :users:
I would think cops would use better judgment than the average civilian though and just blow a kneecap or 2 off, but that's just my opinion
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I don't think that's dysfunction. The presence of opposing viewpoints is a good thing. Extremity in all forms is a bad thing. Dysfunction would be if no one were there to tell you you're being a dumbass. Dysfunction would be everyone agreeing with you.
I disagree that extremity is always a bad thing. Not long ago you were an extremist if you thought gays should be allowed to marry and women should be allowed to vote. Sometimes great ideas become mainstream via extremism.
Thank you for proving my point. :horrorsurprise:
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If anything this situation is worse than Michael brown. These officers knew the threat was coming and had time to make a more informed decision. They could have easily shot him in the legs. In browns case, the cop was being attacked and was in the heat of the moment.
Agreed
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Sounds like something gun nuts would say
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Do cops ever use batons for anything other than beating the crap out of black people other than the ground? 2 cops with batons should be able to take a knife wielding dude. And he was coming at them overhand, I've seen 12 Angry Men, he's not gonna do much damage. (IIRC)
:thumbs:
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starkly and profoundly wtong at every level.
First I asked you about the lawyer directly and you diflected with a it does matter he is a pro quip no way black dudes would be self promoters. When asked about you diflected with a racist remark about how white people all think blacks have elected leadership and group meetings. Totally offensive response which promoted nothing but ignorance and was only subterfuge to duck the serious issues with exploiters like Jackson (who rightly so are being booed by the black comminity because these men see these events as fundraisers.) Which leads to the final note that thesr situatuons can lead to alot of money via speaking fees, fundraising for foundations, future clients (wrong about sealed settlements) and a number of other avenues.
Dude, I answered every question you asked, you just didn't like the answer.
So do you disagree that there is a divide, and possibly a growing one, between black leaders (like A Jackson/Sharpton), and black communities? That maybe their, the leader's, motives don't always coincide with the goals of the community they rush to represent? Do you find any of the resentment of leaders like Jackson or Sharpton from the right to carry any weight or is it a total slander operation to discredit movements from disadvantaged communities which are agitating for more enfranchisement?
I don't even know what/who "black leaders" are, that's some crap that white people made up as a means to feel like we need spokespeople. Who are white leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are individuals who make individual decisions to sometimes speak out or act about things that sometimes get the attention of mass media, sometimes not. We don't have meetings where they tell us what they are going to say and do. Any agreements, disagreements, games of backgammon, etc. are decisions of individuals, I cannot speak as any collective. I don't know any black people that give much thought to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, so I can't tell you about any divide in "black communities" (also a completely ambitious term, doesn't really mean anything, I'm black, very black, and I have no idea which black community I'm a member of). I know a lot of people made fun of Al Sharpton for being a snitch, but I mostly saw that on social media. I think the only person I had a conversation about it with was a white dude.
What the hell does this have to do with Benjamin Crump?
No, the "black community" did not boo Jesse Jackson, some people at that press conference booed Jesse Jackson. Why do you keep on insisting on putting us in groupings? In essence this entire conversation is you trying to put us in groups, when I tell you not to do it, you get mad and tell me that either I'm wrong or are ducking your hard hitting questions. I asked you several questions as it pertains to this that you didn't answer, who are the while leaders, hispanic leaders, asian leaders? What is a "black community?" Are you talking about the people of Ferguson, if so why are you asking me how they feel about people, I haven't taken a poll? If you are referring to the people of Ferguson why are you splitting out the black component?
Also I'm wrong about Crump asking about the Martin/Zimmerman civil settlement remain sealed? Okay buddy.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-04-15/news/os-trayvon-hoa-settlement-crump-argument-20130415_1_sybrina-fulton-trayvon-martin-benjamin-crump
I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel's also wrong.
All of those reasons you listed that Crump has to gain for doing pro bono work could be transferred to every attorney ever.
more racism from MiR bug surprise. I never put black people into groupings. But its absurd to say that. Certain leaders in the black community havent generated an enormous amounty of gravity through their groups and activism. I never asked you about what blacks thought. I asked about your views on those centers of gravity and how they interact positively and negatively. Your racism, based on facts you assume im sure, has attempted to deflect self evaluation through red herrings like "who are the white or hispanic leaders". The questions were designed to ask questions of members here to further discourse to find personal views.
And the point about the sealed settlements was that silence isnt bad, not the status of one case.
I don't think you know what racism is, you should look it up. You said that you aren't grouping black people and then in the very next sentence once again used the term "black community." I will ask again, what is the black community and how do you get a community without placing black people into groups. I'm also certain you don't know what the term red herring means. Asking you who the white leaders, hispanic leaders, and asian leaders were used to back up my point that using the phrase black leaders and assigning them to anyone is ridiculous. The fact that their isn't "leaders" of those other groups is evidence that assigning black leaders is a ridiculous exercise. I'm willing to bet that literally everyone else reading this understands this point but you refuse to give in.
A black person is telling you that himself and every other black person he knows personally don't see these dudes as leaders and to stop placing us in a community as if we all think the same but you continue to argue with me. Of all of the :surprised: and :ROFL: moments you've had on this board, this one is the most unbelievable to me.
Duck, dodge, and weave MiR on full display. When you can't make it about the facts, invent an issue to draw attention away. You are absurdly ignorant or intellectually dishonest if you are telling me that Jackson, Sharpton, and a number of other black people don't have huge centers of gravity. You might claim to not feel their pull, but you can't tell me in these situations their words don't carry weight with a number of people. Because you can't square you defending the altruism of Sharpton paying for the funereal and his marches and everything else the National Action Network does and say that he doesn't have political and social power.
And yes I know exactly what racism is, and you are. Lets be real, we all are to a degree because we live in a racialized America. You're the first to react with a pompous attitude to tell poster you perceive to be white what their place is and how race really works in America. But the reality is you're an ignorant man who presses his own prejudices and complaints into situations. The "community" issue is just another reflection of that. Instead of giving honest commentary on the situation you obscure your own biases by making these deflections about how I'm trying to box the black community into one homogeneous group when that couldn't be further from the truth. Instead of discussing the nuances you distill complex issues into let me, MiR, a black man, tell people I think are not black how it is in America. Yet you seem to also miss that when you do it in the manner you have done, you are no better than the Jackson of South Park receiving the apology. By the way, if you cared to not be racist, and actually examined that South Park episode, you'd see that it is HUGELY critical of whites who think they can seek out Jackson or Sharpton to be a stand in for the black community to apologize to. But you didn't see that, you only saw "a cartoon about white people written by two white people who live in Boulder, Colorado".....yeah way to group all whites into one category there, but you also lost the point that a black staff writer had one of the best lines of commentary: "(Jackson) is not the ambassador of black people." So way to assume stuff about race yet again, make broad generalizations about race, and fail intellectually to believe that "two white people" could produce something with insightful commentary about racial issues in America.
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Nope
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Next person to quote all of that crap is getting their ass kicked.
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:lol:
tldnr
:gocho:
goEMAW.com
dumbass
(do I have that out of the way?)
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:lol:
tldnr
:gocho:
goEMAW.com
dumbass
(do I have that out of the way?)
tl;dr
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you are looking silly here edna. i used to have a similar opinon though
i agree that sharpton/jackson are mostly not genuine people (imho), but mir changed my mind in a different thread a while ago about calling them "black leaders". it's a silly thing to do.
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you are looking silly here edna. i used to have a similar opinon though
i agree that sharpton/jackson are mostly not genuine people (imho), but mir changed my mind in a different thread a while ago about calling them "black leaders". it's a silly thing to do.
if he feels that strongly about an obvious short hand generalization he can post his thoughts in a mature way, id like to hear it. Discourse is enlightening wjen done with rational emphasis.
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what party to black people vote? What party would Jackson/Sharpton want them to vote? coincidence or leadership :dunno:
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you are looking silly here edna. i used to have a similar opinon though
i agree that sharpton/jackson are mostly not genuine people (imho), but mir changed my mind in a different thread a while ago about calling them "black leaders". it's a silly thing to do.
if he feels that strongly about an obvious short hand generalization he can post his thoughts in a mature way, id like to hear it. Discourse is enlightening wjen done with rational emphasis.
he's only said it rationally like 14 times in this thread (directly to you no less). you're just too stupid to understand it i guess.
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what party to black people vote? What party would Jackson/Sharpton want them to vote? coincidence or leadership :dunno:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm black and I vote my conscience. It's not always Democratic.
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what party to black people vote? What party would Jackson/Sharpton want them to vote? coincidence or leadership :dunno:
yup, two people get an entire race to vote the same way, that's how gullible THOSE people are
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you are looking silly here edna. i used to have a similar opinon though
i agree that sharpton/jackson are mostly not genuine people (imho), but mir changed my mind in a different thread a while ago about calling them "black leaders". it's a silly thing to do.
if he feels that strongly about an obvious short hand generalization he can post his thoughts in a mature way, id like to hear it. Discourse is enlightening wjen done with rational emphasis.
he's only said it rationally like 14 times in this thread (directly to you no less). you're just too stupid to understand it i guess.
if thats what you think is going....dumbass....also if that kind of analysis dissuades you from a point of view I have a bridge to sell you.
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I don't see how ed can see that entire giant quote box and only get "....dumbass...." out of it
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I don't see how ed can see that entire giant quote box and only get "....dumbass...." out of it
it's masterful trolling, or he has timhawk levels of comprehension
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I don't see how ed can see that entire giant quote box and only get "....dumbass...." out of it
the irony of this post could break this forum
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Let's reel back the animosity a bit, fellahs. We don't need to attack each other. We're all white, here, let's act like it.
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Let's reel back the animosity a bit, fellahs. We don't need to attack each other. We're all white, here, let's act like it.
speak for yourself, i'm like 1/128th redman :gocho:
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Let's reel back the animosity a bit, fellahs. We don't need to attack each other. We're all white, here, let's act like it.
speak for yourself, i'm like 99.003% dumbass
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Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and numerous white folks with a considerable amount of influence don't speak for me just because I'm white...er, part of the "white community".
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I don't see how ed can see that entire giant quote box and only get "....dumbass...." out of it
the irony of this post could break this forum
This post is an absolute homerun.
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
yup, just take it out of teachers pay, they make WAY too much
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you are looking silly here edna. i used to have a similar opinon though
i agree that sharpton/jackson are mostly not genuine people (imho), but mir changed my mind in a different thread a while ago about calling them "black leaders". it's a silly thing to do.
if he feels that strongly about an obvious short hand generalization he can post his thoughts in a mature way, id like to hear it. Discourse is enlightening wjen done with rational emphasis.
he's only said it rationally like 14 times in this thread (directly to you no less). you're just too stupid to understand it i guess.
if thats what you think is going....dumbass....also if that kind of analysis dissuades you from a point of view I have a bridge to sell you.
This post makes no sense.
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Not to further inflame an irrelevant debate, and it's probably just a matter of semantics, but if race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson don't have influence among blacks, how is it that they keep finding microphones? Seems like they draw pretty big crowds of mostly black people to hear them speak.
I can understand how it is offensive to be characterized as belonging to a homogenous "black community" with "black leaders" based on skin color - I get that (though voting 90% for one party doesn't help) - but I also think we shouldn't deny that these clowns have an unfortunate amount of influence among blacks.
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
yup, just take it out of teachers pay, they make WAY too much
Teachers have no measurable expectations other than don't sex students.
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
yup, just take it out of teachers pay, they make WAY too much
Teachers have no measurable expectations other than don't sex students.
but cops shouldn't have an expectation of not murdering people?
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Anyone that thinks Crump is taking this pro Bono and/or derives no benefit from this, is an unimaginable sort of naive Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Like flies a tide flag over their garage and denies that nascar gets corporate money type of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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So it's been determined that in the Ferguson case the cop did indeed "murder" the guy?
Sounds like a bunch bullshit political discussion to me seven.
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So it's been determined that in the Ferguson case the cop did indeed "murder" the guy?
Sounds like a bunch bullshit political discussion to me seven.
did i say anything about the ferguson case? neocon
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So it's been determined that in the Ferguson case the cop did indeed "murder" the guy?
Sounds like a bunch bullshit political discussion to me seven.
did i say anything about the ferguson case? neocon
Well, I guess I was so taken aback by someone who is simply tired of all the bullshit continually interjecting himself in this forum and specifically this thread which is essentially about the Ferguson case . . . to consider that you were painting in such broad bullshit political strokes.
Mea Culpa
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
yup, just take it out of teachers pay, they make WAY too much
Teachers have no measurable expectations other than don't sex students.
but cops shouldn't have an expectation of not murdering people?
Are we comparing teachers and cops now? I know libtards view public education as corralling the unwashed masses for indoctrination, reeducation and redistribution. I didn't realize they viewed it as a police/perp type of thing.
Education is mumped throw more money at it. Law enforcement is mumped, defund it.
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so no, cops should not be expected to not murder people?
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Cops - guilty until proven innocent. Racists and spaghetti western sharpshooters upon being deputized.
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Cops - guilty until proven innocent. Racists and spaghetti western sharpshooters upon being deputized.
you're the idiot spewing some limbaughesqe line about how we shouldn't investigate police when they kill someone, seems you think they are innocent even when possibly guilty
police killing actual alive human beings is just dandy (encouraged even!) but don't wear a condom, that's genocide. you're a one of kind WONK fsd
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Cops - guilty until proven innocent. Racists and spaghetti western sharpshooters upon being deputized.
you're the idiot spewing some limbaughesqe line about how we shouldn't investigate police when they kill someone, seems you think they are innocent even when possibly guilty
police killing actual alive human beings is just dandy (encouraged even!) but don't wear a condom, that's genocide. you're a one of kind WONK fsd
Seven, NO! Your power comes from not getting all wor(n)ked up :cry:
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Cops - guilty until proven innocent. Racists and spaghetti western sharpshooters upon being deputized.
you're the idiot spewing some limbaughesqe line about how we shouldn't investigate police when they kill someone, seems you think they are innocent even when possibly guilty
police killing actual alive human beings is just dandy (encouraged even!) but don't wear a condom, that's genocide. you're a one of kind WONK fsd
Seven, NO! Your power comes from not getting all wor(n)ked up :cry:
trust the process ;)
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
I agree cops should be better trained and paid.
I also think they should be used more effectively. Like, they shouldn't be bothering jaywalkers on residential side
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So back to square one: Is this murder?
A cop sees two youths walking down the middle of the street. he asks them to move out of the road and some verbal altercation occurs. During that altercation a call comes over the radio about a strong arm robbery where the suspects match the description of these two youths. The verbal altercation continues and the parties approach. There are punches and hits exchanged. An attempt is made for the officer's weapon. During the exchange the officer is punch in the face which fractured the orbital bone. The two parties retract to feet away. The officer orders them to freeze. The largest suspect charges the officer. The officer opens fire, striking the rushing suspect with multiple rounds including 2 potentially fatal shots in the front of the suspects body.
This is the most advantageous narrative of the police side in my opinion. IF it occurred this way, is it legally "murder".
Murder 1st:
565.020. 1. A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter.
2. Murder in the first degree is a class A felony, and the punishment shall be either death or imprisonment for life without eligibility for probation or parole, or release except by act of the governor; except that, if a person has not reached his sixteenth birthday at the time of the commission of the crime, the punishment shall be imprisonment for life without eligibility for probation or parole, or release except by act of the governor.
Murder 2nd:
565.021. 1. A person commits the crime of murder in the second degree if he:
(1) Knowingly causes the death of another person or, with the purpose of causing serious physical injury to another person, causes the death of another person; or
(2) Commits or attempts to commit any felony, and, in the perpetration or the attempted perpetration of such felony or in the flight from the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony, another person is killed as a result of the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony or immediate flight from the perpetration of such felony or attempted perpetration of such felony.
2. Murder in the second degree is a class A felony, and the punishment for second degree murder shall be in addition to the punishment for commission of a related felony or attempted felony, other than murder or manslaughter.
3. Notwithstanding section 556.046 and section 565.025, in any charge of murder in the second degree, the jury shall be instructed on, or, in a jury-waived trial, the judge shall consider, any and all of the subdivisions in subsection 1 of this section which are supported by the evidence and requested by one of the parties or the court.
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Cops - guilty until proven innocent. Racists and spaghetti western sharpshooters upon being deputized.
you're the idiot spewing some limbaughesqe line about how we shouldn't investigate police when they kill someone, seems you think they are innocent even when possibly guilty
police killing actual alive human beings is just dandy (encouraged even!) but don't wear a condom, that's genocide. you're a one of kind WONK fsd
I never said any of those things you rough ridin' weirdo.
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I don't understand how people don't understand that cops have families too, and that they get paid Dick to put themselves in danger all rough ridin' day. Like they're supposed to just allow themselves to be attacked, assume the risk, give every scumbag piece of crap the benefit of that doubt, and if they get scared there's no excuse.
If you want a rock star crew of progressive police that can shoot out knee caps with a pistol from 30 yards, you're gonna have to start them at more than $28k per year. Particularly if you're going to investigate every single one of them for racism and murder every time they kill a crack head who attacks them.
I also don't understand how it's okay to stereotype cops, but nobody else.
I agree cops should be better trained and paid.
I also think they should be used more effectively. Like, they shouldn't be bothering jaywalkers on residential side
Yeah, jaywalking is a really stupid law. I don't get why I can't drive on sidewalks either.
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Guys, MIR isn't racist.
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Guys, MIR isn't racist.
no more than most people probably
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Guys, MIR isn't racist.
no more than most people probably
well, everybody's prejudiced. that's nature. I'm prejudiced about basically every person I come across, animals too!
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If Harry Truman were alive, he'd atomic bomb the Ferguson problem. #showme
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hands up! don't nuke!
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hands up! don't nuke!
#showme
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BTW, there needs to be a Facebook/twitter thread for the nonsense surrounding this crap show. The few things I've seen have been more than worthy.
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You guys do know that they drove/flew in a bunch of idiots to inflame this crap right? Most of the people that actually live there aren't all about burning their neighborhood to the ground. Thanks Al
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You are absurdly ignorant or intellectually dishonest if you are telling me that Jackson, Sharpton, and a number of other black people don't have huge centers of gravity.
There's a joke about formerly fat Al Sharpton and his now disproportionately large head in here somewhere.
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Not to further inflame an irrelevant debate, and it's probably just a matter of semantics, but if race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson don't have influence among blacks, how is it that they keep finding microphones? Seems like they draw pretty big crowds of mostly black people to hear them speak.
I can understand how it is offensive to be characterized as belonging to a homogenous "black community" with "black leaders" based on skin color - I get that (though voting 90% for one party doesn't help) - but I also think we shouldn't deny that these clowns have an unfortunate amount of influence among blacks.
Why
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I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
It's extremely complicated, but it largely stems form our history of racism going back to the European settlers arriving here.
It's very unfair that this is the case, what can we do as a country to put a higher value on black people.
Yeah, it is unfair. Again it's really complicated, but I think we should start by investing in better education opportunities for poor black communities. Like radically more and differently than we do now.
I can only infer that better education oppys for poor black communities is needed because you don't believe they can achieve within in the normal public school systems. :nono:
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I am so hurt for Michael Brown's parents, but I'm done being outraged over black men being hunted in the streets. We don't value black lives the way we do others, that's fact.
Fact? Who is "we"? I think there's a lot of people that are outraged by the murder.
"we" is American society in general. Which is sadly true.
Why don't we?
It's extremely complicated, but it largely stems form our history of racism going back to the European settlers arriving here.
It's very unfair that this is the case, what can we do as a country to put a higher value on black people.
Yeah, it is unfair. Again it's really complicated, but I think we should start by investing in better education opportunities for poor black communities. Like radically more and differently than we do now.
I can only infer that better education oppys for poor black communities is needed because you don't believe they can achieve within in the normal public school systems. :nono:
I definitely think the "normal public school system" gives blacks an inferior education compared to whites. Not sure if you realize this, but not all public schools are equal.
When blacks are given a TRUE equal chance, I have no doubt they can "achieve".
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whatever problems black America has will need to be solved by you because you are so smart :facepalm: so informed :facepalm: so perceptive to the inequities :facepalm:. Wait til they hear all their problems will be solved, it could be a platform for a political campaign.......oh wait.
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf)
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whatever problems black America has will need to be solved by you because you are so smart :facepalm: so informed :facepalm: so perceptive to the inequities :facepalm:. Wait til they hear all their problems will be solved, it could be a platform for a political campaign.......oh wait.
good grief
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Pretty telling that this thread is already longer than the global climate change thread. :facepalm:
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Not to further inflame an irrelevant debate, and it's probably just a matter of semantics, but if race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson don't have influence among blacks, how is it that they keep finding microphones? Seems like they draw pretty big crowds of mostly black people to hear them speak.
I can understand how it is offensive to be characterized as belonging to a homogenous "black community" with "black leaders" based on skin color - I get that (though voting 90% for one party doesn't help) - but I also think we shouldn't deny that these clowns have an unfortunate amount of influence among blacks.
Why
OK, so I guess we're just going to ignore the question and instead impute racism to the use of the word "blacks." Really glad we can have this "responsible dialogue about race." Better not let me catch you talking about "whites" though. :shakesfist:
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Not to further inflame an irrelevant debate, and it's probably just a matter of semantics, but if race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson don't have influence among blacks, how is it that they keep finding microphones? Seems like they draw pretty big crowds of mostly black people to hear them speak.
I can understand how it is offensive to be characterized as belonging to a homogenous "black community" with "black leaders" based on skin color - I get that (though voting 90% for one party doesn't help) - but I also think we shouldn't deny that these clowns have an unfortunate amount of influence among blacks.
Why
OK, so I guess we're just going to ignore the question and instead impute racism to the use of the word "blacks." Really glad we can have this "responsible dialogue about race." Better not let me catch you talking about "whites" though. :shakesfist:
I didn't read the question because the post lost any credibility when you started talking about the "blacks"
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
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Education fixes this. That may require money, it may require change. That all depends on what is the barrier to the education now.
Also, for those that think racism is the issue, education fixes that too, but ed from parents. Ppl, all ppl, need to quit passing hate down to the next gen.
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So back to square one: Is this murder?
A cop sees two youths walking down the middle of the street. he asks them to move out of the road and some verbal altercation occurs. During that altercation a call comes over the radio about a strong arm robbery where the suspects match the description of these two youths. The verbal altercation continues and the parties approach. There are punches and hits exchanged. An attempt is made for the officer's weapon. During the exchange the officer is punch in the face which fractured the orbital bone. The two parties retract to feet away. The officer orders them to freeze. The largest suspect charges the officer. The officer opens fire, striking the rushing suspect with multiple rounds including 2 potentially fatal shots in the front of the suspects body.
This is the most advantageous narrative of the police side in my opinion. IF it occurred this way, is it legally "murder".
Murder 1st:
565.020. 1. A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter.
2. Murder in the first degree is a class A felony, and the punishment shall be either death or imprisonment for life without eligibility for probation or parole, or release except by act of the governor; except that, if a person has not reached his sixteenth birthday at the time of the commission of the crime, the punishment shall be imprisonment for life without eligibility for probation or parole, or release except by act of the governor.
Murder 2nd:
565.021. 1. A person commits the crime of murder in the second degree if he:
(1) Knowingly causes the death of another person or, with the purpose of causing serious physical injury to another person, causes the death of another person; or
(2) Commits or attempts to commit any felony, and, in the perpetration or the attempted perpetration of such felony or in the flight from the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony, another person is killed as a result of the perpetration or attempted perpetration of such felony or immediate flight from the perpetration of such felony or attempted perpetration of such felony.
2. Murder in the second degree is a class A felony, and the punishment for second degree murder shall be in addition to the punishment for commission of a related felony or attempted felony, other than murder or manslaughter.
3. Notwithstanding section 556.046 and section 565.025, in any charge of murder in the second degree, the jury shall be instructed on, or, in a jury-waived trial, the judge shall consider, any and all of the subdivisions in subsection 1 of this section which are supported by the evidence and requested by one of the parties or the court.
I think you gotta weave in the self defense defense or yes, the cop committed 2nd degree.
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I think you gotta weave in the self defense defense or yes, the cop committed 2nd degree.
There are punches and hits exchanged. An attempt is made for the officer's weapon. During the exchange the officer is punch in the face which fractured the orbital bone.
The officer orders them to freeze. The largest suspect charges the officer.
Now this is the most favorable piecing together of pro cop info I put together. Do you see this as a self defense shooting? I guess I'm wondering IF all this is true, with the above comments being the most reasonable way to form the "attack", does this rise to your(your being any poster) level?
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Do we know if the dude was shot while running towards the officer or away?
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Do we know if the dude was shot while running towards the officer or away?
No.
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Do we know if the dude was shot while running towards the officer or away?
No.
Emphatically, yes. Unless there was a second cop on the grassy knoll.
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Not to further inflame an irrelevant debate, and it's probably just a matter of semantics, but if race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson don't have influence among blacks, how is it that they keep finding microphones? Seems like they draw pretty big crowds of mostly black people to hear them speak.
I can understand how it is offensive to be characterized as belonging to a homogenous "black community" with "black leaders" based on skin color - I get that (though voting 90% for one party doesn't help) - but I also think we shouldn't deny that these clowns have an unfortunate amount of influence among blacks.
Why
OK, so I guess we're just going to ignore the question and instead impute racism to the use of the word "blacks." Really glad we can have this "responsible dialogue about race." Better not let me catch you talking about "whites" though. :shakesfist:
I didn't read the question because the post lost any credibility when you started talking about the "blacks"
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Exactly my point. Racism everywhere. You can use the term "whites" but not "blacks", there's a whole rule book floating around there somewhere...
If I edit my post to say "black people," does that fix the racism, or do I need to go with the full blown "African Americans" just to be on the safe side?
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist but,
Al and Jesse: race hustlers.
I see no color.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
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Those are very good points, MIR.
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
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Do we know if the dude was shot while running towards the officer or away?
No.
Emphatically, yes. Unless there was a second cop on the grassy knoll.
No, the entry wounds on the arms could have come when the victim was either facing the shooter or facing away. There is no definitive proof, either way. That is why barring eyewitness testimony from a credible source, the cop should walk. The autopsy doesn't prove guilt.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
Yes. 3 and 6 are kind of fuzzy still, or at least were yesterday. I'm not completely up to date. There were also one or two witnesses that said the victim was running away when he got shot. The autopsy shows no shots in the back, though, and one of the witnesses was a friend of the victim who was with him when he robbed the liquor store 10 minutes earlier.
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
I forgot out of the country doesn't have news or internet access. It's scary out there.
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6 isn't fuzzy at all, the Ferguson Chief of Police said the officer was treated for only a swollen face
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
You will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
I forgot out of the country doesn't have news or internet access. It's scary out there.
I'm more of a "live in the moment" kind of person. Also tough to catch the facts walking by a TV monitor in an airport. Also, to me, issues like this are less important than actual real issues.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
RE#5
The incident took place in a neighborhood. In a matter of minutes, there were 50-60 people out of their homes to see what happened.
The cops (freaked) called in 60 or more cops to secure area. The body lay unattended because 5oh was worried about crowd control. This seemed to upset the folks gathered more. At one point the father of the unarmed kid came through the crime scene tape to see his son but was escorted back.
I don't think the cops left the body unattended intentionally, but were freaked out by the number of folks who came upon the scene. They were concerned about contamination of the crime scene.
That's just my guess.
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
There being really, really rich people that crap all over the majority poor people has been going on for millennia.
Also, getting worse? Worse than what exactly? I'd like to know the halcyon days for African Americans that have come and gone.
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What public office does Al Sharpton hold?
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
Are seriously suggesting a redistribution of wealth as a solution to racial inequity? I thought your post was a joke. I brought a set of custom fit Callaway irons and a new Callaway driver on Saturday, far from waiting for government crumbs, and I can't stop people from assigning me a community and assigning me leaders because I'm black.
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What public office does Al Sharpton hold?
Chancellor of the black community
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What public office does Al Sharpton hold?
Who said Al Sharpton holds a public office?
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
I forgot out of the country doesn't have news or internet access. It's scary out there.
I'm more of a "live in the moment" kind of person. Also tough to catch the facts walking by a TV monitor in an airport. Also, to me, issues like this are less important than actual real issues.
I forgot hayseeds don't have really amazing smart phones with super internet access all over the world. I also forgot that even if they have them they are really technology dumb and hayseedy and can't use them properly. I also forgot that you are more of a doer and not a knower. I also forgot your issue hierarchy.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
I think I agree with all of this. I'll stop referring to the "black community" and "black leaders" (though that won't stop many in the media from doing so). I will continue to refer to them as race hustlers, and it would be nice if they didn't draw such sizeable crowds. :cheers:
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6 isn't fuzzy at all, the Ferguson Chief of Police said the officer was treated for only a swollen face
Hey racist,
That isn't what he said at all. There are a number of reasons why they could only treat swelling and it doesn't mean that was the officer's only injury.
http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-police-chief-says-officer-involved-shooting-was-injured-264511
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/darren-wilson-michael-brown_n_5681340.html
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.
You can quit quoting me I'm done replying to you, the conversation with you is over. Not gE'ing here but you are literally too stupid to have this conversation with. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of conversation you're trying to have but you won't listen, whether I have a black leader isn't subject to opinion.
:buh-bye:
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.
What was the impetus for the confrontation?
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.
You can quit quoting me I'm done replying to you, the conversation with you is over. Not gE'ing here but you are literally too stupid to have this conversation with. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of conversation you're trying to have but you won't listen, whether I have a black leader isn't subject to opinion.
:buh-bye:
Yeah except that isn't what I said at all. You're making broad sweeping generalizations, misquotes, and being intellectually dishonest in order to duck a question. You can make this about me as much as you like, but the problem is you, your posting style, and your constant ability to bite your own critiques. That is where your dishonestly really comes into play since you refuse to have an open and honest conversation about issues. Instead you make up points for the other person and argue only against those positions.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.
I'll just wait for this to clear up.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.
What was the impetus for the confrontation?
jaywalking
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I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone. It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture. If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.
What was the impetus for the confrontation?
The time line is at issue. The officer supposedly first interacted with them about walking down the middle of the road. There was a description released on the police radio which matched Brown and the second interaction occurred.
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I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone. It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture. If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?
I think any sort of documentable injury is relevant, fractures, bruising, swelling, etc.
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I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone. It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture. If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?
Laws at play if he did hit the cop. I would say it really changes the entire scenario when we have two hefty felonies from one series of events.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000081.htm
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000082.htm
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2. Is confronted by cop(s)?
3. There is a physical scruffle.
4. Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5. His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6. Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)
Is that right?
the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.
What was the impetus for the confrontation?
The time line is at issue. The officer supposedly first interacted with them about walking down the middle of the road. There was a description released on the police radio which matched Brown and the second interaction occurred.
KC radio covered this last week and said that a second cop was indeed on his way to that area in response to robbery, but that the shooter had no clue at the time. I guess a friend of the shooter cop did a radio interview and said the shooter cop did know. so, more :dunno:
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
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I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone. It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture. If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?
Laws at play if he did hit the cop. I would say it really changes the entire scenario when we have two hefty felonies from one series of events.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000081.htm
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000082.htm
I agree he was in trouble if he hit the cop. It seems the PD is thrilled to release video of someone stealing a box of cigars but insanely tight lipped about the purported injuries to the officer. I wonder why?
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EMO, fwiw there is a distinction between a public official and a government official.
public official
Web definitions
An official is someone who holds an office in an organization or government and participates in the exercise of authority. A government official or functionary is an official who is involved in public administration or government, through either election, appointment, selection, or employment. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Official
That being said, I could have typed public figure. We can drop this now, as it has nothing to do with any point at all, right?
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Hypothetically, could it be because officer was given a concussion and they want a statement that is taken after concussion effects are medically excluded as possibly messing with the statement's facts?
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So, we're all public officials?
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Brown, an unarmed big black dude, steals cigars from c-store, then physically assaults shopkeeper
2. About 10 minutes later, Wilson, not responding to the robbery, drives up on Brown and a friend who are walking down the middle of the street some distance from the robbery.
3. Wilson, from his vehicle, tells Brown and Friend to get onto the sidewalk.
4. Brown or Friend (do we know?) says words to the effect of "no, we're almost to where we're going."
5. "A confrontation ensues." Wilson purportedly (second hand, we don't have police report) claims that he attempted to exit his vehicle to confront them, and Brown shoved him back into the car, attacking him, during which time Brown went for the gun and it fired once, hitting no one. One shell casing was found in Wilson's car. Brown's Friend claims that Wilson grabbed Brown to pull him into the vehicle, and brown was just trying to get away. This story isn't logical, doesn't mesh with Brown's violent assault of the shopkeeper, and Brown's Friend's account is also called into question by his claims that Brown was shot repeatedly in the back (see below).
6. Wilson gets out of the car and fires a number of shots at Brown, hitting him 6 times. Autopsy seems to confirm that most, if not all of the shots, were to Brown's front. The shot that killed him entered from the top of his head towards his jaw, indicating that Brown's head was either bent forward at the time (consistent with Wilson's second hand account that Brown was rushing him) or that Wilson shot Brown "execution style" from above him (does not appear to be consistent with any purported eye witness accounts).
7. A number of eye witnesses claim that Brown was shot in the back and/or after turning towards Wilson with his hands up. "Police sources" claim other eye witnesses support Wilson's purported claims.
8. Wilson suffered "a swollen face" and an "orbital blowout fracture" from the physical struggle.
Couple additions/edits to the list. I think this all we know so far.
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EMO, fwiw there is a distinction between a public official and a government official.
public official
Web definitions
An official is someone who holds an office in an organization or government and participates in the exercise of authority. A government official or functionary is an official who is involved in public administration or government, through either election, appointment, selection, or employment. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Official
That being said, I could have typed public figure. We can drop this now, as it has nothing to do with any point at all, right?
If dropping it is directed at me, yes.
I will also yield that my first posts were over generalized and built with little clarity which could have been attempted with more forethought. I tried to explain my thoughts a bit more clearly later, and obviously I failed by passion or ignorance of message to explain myself the way I wanted to in that part of the thread. No one speaks for all.
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Hypothetically, could it be because officer was given a concussion and they want a statement that is taken after concussion effects are medically excluded as possibly messing with the statement's facts?
The officer probably realizes that he is being investigated for murder and is exercising his Miranda rights. Really, outside of him incriminating himself, I see little to no chance that he gets found guilty of anything here.
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Hypothetically, could it be because officer was given a concussion and they want a statement that is taken after concussion effects are medically excluded as possibly messing with the statement's facts?
The officer probably realizes that he is being investigated for murder and is exercising his Miranda rights. Really, outside of him incriminating himself, I see little to no chance that he gets found guilty of anything here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but anytime an officer is involved in a situation like this, doesn't his or her union usually swoop in to provide protection and advocacy? The silence could be union mandated.
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So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down. Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them? For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?
1. Brown, an unarmed big black dude, steals cigars from c-store, then physically assaults shopkeeper
2. About 10 minutes later, Wilson, not responding to the robbery, drives up on Brown and a friend who are walking down the middle of the street some distance from the robbery.
3. Wilson, from his vehicle, tells Brown and Friend to get onto the sidewalk.
4. Brown or Friend (do we know?) says words to the effect of "no, we're almost to where we're going."
5. "A confrontation ensues." Wilson purportedly (second hand, we don't have police report) claims that he attempted to exit his vehicle to confront them, and Brown shoved him back into the car, attacking him, during which time Brown went for the gun and it fired once, hitting no one. One shell casing was found in Wilson's car. Brown's Friend claims that Wilson grabbed Brown to pull him into the vehicle, and brown was just trying to get away. This story isn't logical, doesn't mesh with Brown's violent assault of the shopkeeper, and Brown's Friend's account is also called into question by his claims that Brown was shot repeatedly in the back (see below).
6. Wilson gets out of the car and fires a number of shots at Brown, hitting him 6 times. Autopsy seems to confirm that most, if not all of the shots, were to Brown's front. The shot that killed him entered from the top of his head towards his jaw, indicating that Brown's head was either bent forward at the time (consistent with Wilson's second hand account that Brown was rushing him) or that Wilson shot Brown "execution style" from above him (does not appear to be consistent with any purported eye witness accounts).
7. A number of eye witnesses claim that Brown was shot in the back and/or after turning towards Wilson with his hands up. "Police sources" claim other eye witnesses support Wilson's purported claims.
8. Wilson suffered "a swollen face" and an "orbital blowout fracture" from the physical struggle.
Couple additions/edits to the list. I think this all we know so far.
Not a very good edit, at least bold it so we know what you added, but you state somethings as facts (favorable info for the cop) which are not released info, but only 'sources' or assumptions.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but anytime an officer is involved in a situation like this, doesn't his or her union usually swoop in to provide protection and advocacy? The silence could be union mandated.[\quote]
If I'm the officers attorney, he says nothing. He has nothing to gain by being anything but silent.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but anytime an officer is involved in a situation like this, doesn't his or her union usually swoop in to provide protection and advocacy? The silence could be union mandated.
If I'm the officers attorney, he says nothing. He has nothing to gain by being anything but silent.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
I'd say, Limbaugh 20 million listeners, Bill O has quite an audience, and Barack Obama got like 57% of the white vote, so they are the leaders of the white man.
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I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks
@katkid
I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.
I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist :confused:
So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?
KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?
I'd say, Limbaugh 20 million listeners, Bill O has quite an audience, and Barack Obama got like 57% of the white vote, so they are the leaders of the white man.
sauce?
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So when did this blowout fracture develop? Even the world's worst doctor X-rays that. Unless it doesn't exist
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So when did this blowout fracture develop? Even the world's worst doctor X-rays that. Unless it doesn't exist
I thought that one of the x-rays which was reported was a fake.
as far as xrays missing stuff, ask Hosmer about swelling obscuring results.
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So when did this blowout fracture develop? Even the world's worst doctor X-rays that. Unless it doesn't exist
I thought that one of the x-rays which was reported was a fake.
as far as xrays missing stuff, ask Hosmer about swelling obscuring results.
How about I ask anyone who isn't a clown about swelling obscuring a blowout fracture of the orbital socket?
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So when did this blowout fracture develop? Even the world's worst doctor X-rays that. Unless it doesn't exist
I thought that one of the x-rays which was reported was a fake.
as far as xrays missing stuff, ask Hosmer about swelling obscuring results.
Pfffft :lol:
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Why is everyone fixating on whether there is a fracture or not? The shooting will not be deemed justified based on the presence or absence of a facial fracture.
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
Are seriously suggesting a redistribution of wealth as a solution to racial inequity? I thought your post was a joke. I brought a set of custom fit Callaway irons and a new Callaway driver on Saturday, far from waiting for government crumbs, and I can't stop people from assigning me a community and assigning me leaders because I'm black.
LOL... come on man. I didn't say that the gov't needed to re-distribute the wealth to black people. I said.. "anyone". The income/wealth gap is greater than ever and crap WILL hit the fan if something isn't done about it.
Also, nice clubs and :fanningbrag: buddy.
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Why is everyone fixating on whether there is a fracture or not? The shooting will not be deemed justified based on the presence or absence of a facial fracture.
Ask Hosmer why it matters.
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So when did this blowout fracture develop? Even the world's worst doctor X-rays that. Unless it doesn't exist
I thought that one of the x-rays which was reported was a fake.
as far as xrays missing stuff, ask Hosmer about swelling obscuring results.
How about I ask anyone who isn't a clown about swelling obscuring a blowout fracture of the orbital socket?
Fine be a dick.
Anyways:
http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/injuries_and_poisoning/fractures/overview_of_fractures.html
Most fractures are diagnosed by x-rays, although some require repeat x-rays in 7 to 10 days or computed tomography or magnetic resonance imaging.
http://www.mddus.com/mddus/resource-library/2012/summons---autumn-issue/missed-fractures.aspx
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Zygomatic-Arch-and-Orbital-Fractures.htm
A plain X-ray of the skull is basic - standard views are facial, occiptomental and submento-vertical. Interpretation may be difficult - systematically check for:[9]
The orbital outline - the droplet sign shows soft tissue prolapsing into the maxillary sinus in an orbital floor fracture.
The sinus outline - any opacification or fluid level in the maxillary sinus is suggestive of a fracture.
An 'elephant's trunk' - follow the zygomatic line laterally and the maxillary line medially.
The coronoid processes which should be equidistant from the maxillary line bilaterally.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
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Pretty telling that this thread is already longer than the global climate change thread. :facepalm:
Well yeah, it's not 1985.
Gonna win 'em all!
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This cop is going to walk unless he's assassinated before the acquittal. chowder keg is about to go off.
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This cop is going to walk unless he's assassinated before the acquittal.
Yep
chowder keg is about to go off.
Highly unlikely
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Yes
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Yes
I'm not sure any fracture really justifies two gunshots to the head.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Yes
I'm not sure any fracture really justifies two gunshots to the head.
No, but if you just had your face caved in, it is more reasonable to think that you might interpret the situation to be life or death than if you just got pushed or something.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
Can't tell if serious, but :lol:
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
Correct.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
Correct.
No, seriously, :lol:. Whether the officer knew of the exact nature of his injury is irrelevant - any person is well aware of the pain/trauma/disorientation of an injury - some scratching versus punches to the face, for example - and that is absoluty relevant.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
Not saying he was innocent by any means but this is quite the assumption to make
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
Correct.
No, seriously, :lol:. Whether the officer knew of the exact nature of his injury is irrelevant - any person is well aware of the pain/trauma/disorientation of an injury - some scratching versus punches to the face, for example - and that is absoluty relevant.
Thanks for agreeing with me. What are you talking about scratches for? Sure, in some hypothetical example of a cop getting his face scratched and then blowing that person away would be pretty bad but that's not what happened here. Any fractures, or lack thereof, have no relevance to the cop's actions.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
The police's release of information is intentionally shoddy (and totally nonexistent except for the robbery video) as they wait to see which narrative can best be supported and will lead to the best outcome for Wilson and their department.
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
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I'm with Dickstone.
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SD is also with Dickstone.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
The police's release of information is intentionally shoddy (and totally nonexistent except for the robbery video) as they wait to see which narrative can best be supported and will lead to the best outcome for Wilson and their department.
I'll disagree with the nefarious nature of these releases, I just see incompetence. I think its supported by the fact the cops were slow to release very damaging info for the Brown story.
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A fracture provides evidence of more significant injury, which provides greater - though not conclusive - justification for deadly force. It's just one more thing to take into account when determining whether the officer had a reasonable belief of imminent serious bodily harm or death.
Sorry but this is absurd. There's no way the cop would have immediately known he had a fracture and acted differently.
Correct.
Incorrect.
https://www2.aofoundation.org/wps/portal/surgery/?showPage=redfix&bone=CMF&segment=Midface&classification=92-Orbit,+Orbital+floor+fracture&treatment=&method=Open+treatment&implantstype=Orbital+reconstruction&redfix_url=1285234139892
I take it none of you have had or known anyone with a facial injury. Even if its a small fracture your body doesn't just 'walk off' that injury.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
The police's release of information is intentionally shoddy (and totally nonexistent except for the robbery video) as they wait to see which narrative can best be supported and will lead to the best outcome for Wilson and their department.
I'll disagree with the nefarious nature of these releases, I just see incompetence. I think its supported by the fact the cops were slow to release very damaging info for the Brown story.
So you think cops are complete idiots. I agree in that the job is usually filled by those who cannot even make it into the infantry but I still think at the higher levels of a major metro PD they know how to control the release of info and the robbery video being intentionally provided almost immediately shows they are trying to control the flow of info. It's cool to disagree though.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
The police's release of information is intentionally shoddy (and totally nonexistent except for the robbery video) as they wait to see which narrative can best be supported and will lead to the best outcome for Wilson and their department.
I'll disagree with the nefarious nature of these releases, I just see incompetence. I think its supported by the fact the cops were slow to release very damaging info for the Brown story.
I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
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CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser. in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline. The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred.
Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.
KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.
The issue which has been raised, and rightly so because of the terribly unorganized release of info, is what the officer knew and when. The most favorable accounts agree that the initial stop was NOT because of the robbery as you note. That the conversation between Brown and Wilson ended/lulled and the radio released new info with a description which matched Brown which re-intensified the conversation/interaction into an altercation. But I yield again, that is the most favorable way of forming the events to Wilson, and built on the horribly shoddy release of info by the police.
The police's release of information is intentionally shoddy (and totally nonexistent except for the robbery video) as they wait to see which narrative can best be supported and will lead to the best outcome for Wilson and their department.
I'll disagree with the nefarious nature of these releases, I just see incompetence. I think its supported by the fact the cops were slow to release very damaging info for the Brown story.
I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
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The unwillingness to acknowledge that Brown did something more than just cross the street at an unmarked intersection is a stunning indictment of how close-minded and uninformed many of the Pit posters are.
A cop tells you to get out of the street, you get the eff out of the street. You don't crack his skull with your fist.
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
Seriously, how madly do you need to get beaten before its justified?
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KC cop goes to facebook
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.nydailynews.com%2Fpolopoly_fs%2F1.1909020.1408470875%21%2Fimg%2FhttpImage%2Fimage.jpg_gen%2Fderivatives%2Farticle_970%2Ffacebook20n-2-web.jpg&hash=5807469a9a7ede5defcbd3c49935e2f3ec483c0f)
oh wait it's not actually brown
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021#bmb=1
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You sure? Looks like him to me.
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KC cop goes to facebook
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.nydailynews.com%2Fpolopoly_fs%2F1.1909020.1408470875%21%2Fimg%2FhttpImage%2Fimage.jpg_gen%2Fderivatives%2Farticle_970%2Ffacebook20n-2-web.jpg&hash=5807469a9a7ede5defcbd3c49935e2f3ec483c0f)
oh wait it's not actually brown
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-city-review-posting-fake-michael-brown-pic-facebook-report-article-1.1909021#bmb=1
GAH
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You sure? Looks like him to me.
That's Eddie Murphy
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
Seriously, how madly do you need to get beaten before its justified?
I think putting himself into position to be beaten was a clear sign of incompetence. The officer definitely didn't deserve to be beaten, and the shooting could be entirely justified, but that doesn't mean the overall situation was handled competently. (It obviously wasn't)
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
Not saying he was innocent by any means but this is quite the assumption to make
Did you forget about the whole robbing the convenience store by violently assaulting the shopkeeper thing? That's what I was refering to.
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
Seriously, how madly do you need to get beaten before its justified?
I think putting himself into position to be beaten was a clear sign of incompetence. The officer definitely didn't deserve to be beaten, and the shooting could be entirely justified, but that doesn't mean the overall situation was handled competently. (It obviously wasn't)
Maybe. He was trying to get a couple of kids to stop jaywalking, though. I wouldn't expect or want him to have his nightstick out in case one of them decides to beat him up for that.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
Not saying he was innocent by any means but this is quite the assumption to make
Did you forget about the whole robbing the convenience store by violently assaulting the shopkeeper thing? That's what I was refering to.
Violent assault might be a stretch. Did the kid steal the cigars? Looks like it. Did the shopkeeper make an attempt to stop the shoplifting, ugh, kind of. Were weapons brandished? Does not appear so. Were punches thrown? No.
It looked like the guy saw someone (the now murdered kid) not so secretly taking swisher sweets. Tried to step in to prevent kids from leaving, and got pushed/threatened. Looked more like how a bigger kid intimidates a smaller kid.
Cross post-on the Royals game last night the kid that got the ball signed by Hud; his grandma/older woman sitting next to him was clutching a pack of swisher sweets.
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
Seriously, how madly do you need to get beaten before its justified?
I think putting himself into position to be beaten was a clear sign of incompetence. The officer definitely didn't deserve to be beaten, and the shooting could be entirely justified, but that doesn't mean the overall situation was handled competently. (It obviously wasn't)
This is a much more valid point, I missed that in your previous posting. But the problem that I see is that you are assuming two rational actors in the scenarios. There is a lot of training that goes into police work about how to control a situation so that it doesn't escalate. This cop obviously failed as do MANY cops across the country.
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
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I think having an officer killing an unarmed teenager who was jaywalking is also pretty good evidence of department incompetence.
yeah because more facts haven't changed that narrative.
the facts still point to incompetence
Seriously, how madly do you need to get beaten before its justified?
I think putting himself into position to be beaten was a clear sign of incompetence. The officer definitely didn't deserve to be beaten, and the shooting could be entirely justified, but that doesn't mean the overall situation was handled competently. (It obviously wasn't)
Maybe. He was trying to get a couple of kids to stop jaywalking, though. I wouldn't expect or want him to have his nightstick out in case one of them decides to beat him up for that.
yes, but it's impossible to know his tone, mannerisms, approach, etc that led up to him getting beat up (allegedly). It seems highly probable he was being overly aggressive given the "crime" he was trying to prevent. I mean yeah ask them to move but if they don't, is it really worth getting out of the car? I don't know what most PDs' SOP for stopping jaywalkers is. Does the Ferguson PD even have such an SOP?
All of this is really hard to determine w/o a police report.
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I've dealt with hundreds of orbital fractures in my day. They are painful and in Polaroids submitted as evidence will look very bad.
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
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I've dealt with hundreds of orbital fractures in my day. They are painful and in Polaroids submitted as evidence will look very bad.
Yes, if he actually had the kind of fracture now alleged any photos taken a few hours after the event will clearly show a blow'd up eye.
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The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money. The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually. They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. :buh-bye:
:flush:
So what's the alternative? What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.
Are seriously suggesting a redistribution of wealth as a solution to racial inequity? I thought your post was a joke. I brought a set of custom fit Callaway irons and a new Callaway driver on Saturday, far from waiting for government crumbs, and I can't stop people from assigning me a community and assigning me leaders because I'm black.
LOL... come on man. I didn't say that the gov't needed to re-distribute the wealth to black people. I said.. "anyone". The income/wealth gap is greater than ever and crap WILL hit the fan if something isn't done about it.
Also, nice clubs and :fanningbrag: buddy.
Sorry for misunderstanding you, I agree that we cannot continue to lose the middle class
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Violently assault? He pushed the guy pretty hard but that wasn't really all that violent imo.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
Not saying he was innocent by any means but this is quite the assumption to make
Did you forget about the whole robbing the convenience store by violently assaulting the shopkeeper thing? That's what I was refering to.
Violent assault might be a stretch. Did the kid steal the cigars? Looks like it. Did the shopkeeper make an attempt to stop the shoplifting, ugh, kind of. Were weapons brandished? Does not appear so. Were punches thrown? No.
It looked like the guy saw someone (the now murdered kid) not so secretly taking swisher sweets. Tried to step in to prevent kids from leaving, and got pushed/threatened. Looked more like how a bigger kid intimidates a smaller kid.
Yeah, that wasn't a "violent assault." He only stole cigars and then grabbed the shopkeeper and shoved him back into a display. Only.
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Violently assault? He pushed the guy pretty hard but that wasn't really all that violent imo.
I mean yeah you can technically say he was a violent criminal but his actions in the liquor store were about the weakest violent crimes in history.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
I think that people who attack police deserve a taser to the face and/or nutsack - not so sure about being shot to death. I do agree with the overall sentiment that we're down one more violent criminal, but our society has rules that everyone, even law enforcement, needs to abide by.
Not saying he was innocent by any means but this is quite the assumption to make
Did you forget about the whole robbing the convenience store by violently assaulting the shopkeeper thing? That's what I was refering to.
Violent assault might be a stretch. Did the kid steal the cigars? Looks like it. Did the shopkeeper make an attempt to stop the shoplifting, ugh, kind of. Were weapons brandished? Does not appear so. Were punches thrown? No.
It looked like the guy saw someone (the now murdered kid) not so secretly taking swisher sweets. Tried to step in to prevent kids from leaving, and got pushed/threatened. Looked more like how a bigger kid intimidates a smaller kid.
Yeah, that wasn't a "violent assault." He only stole cigars and then grabbed the shopkeeper and shoved him back into a display. Only.
It was an assault. He scared the guy into giving up the swisher sweets under threat of physical violence.
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
This is what happened when I clciked on the link:
Boing Boing
404: Nope
:curse:
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
This is what happened when I clciked on the link:
Boing Boing
404: Nope
:curse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU
https://twitter.com/aclu_mo/status/502181704493432833
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Thanks and holy crap!
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
This is what happened when I clciked on the link:
Boing Boing
404: Nope
:curse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU
https://twitter.com/aclu_mo/status/502181704493432833
Yeah cops like that should be charged.
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People that attack police deserve to be shot. Just like people who play with fire deserved to be burned, and people who mess with a bull get the horns, and people that stand on the tracks when the train is coming through get flattened.
One less stupid mother rough rider stupid mother fuckering our country.
Well I agree with the general premise of this without it being all FSDed up. I really don't know why people mess with cops, I can give you about a million reasons why you shouldn't resist, lash out against, or talk back to cops. Can't really think of a good reason for getting chesty with 5-0.
Now I don't think I have posted what I think happened, so here goes. I think Brown was high or drunk or both and I don't mean just a little of weed in his system. Just walking into a store, stealing a handful of swisher sweets, physically engaging the shop keeper, and getting into some sort of altercation with the cop before getting shot seems like an amazingly bold series of crimes for someone without no previous criminal history. No, I do not think that he had a history of committing crimes and not getting caught, he was 6'4" 300 lbs; guys that big don't normally get away with hiding while committing crimes. And obviously, no, with the information we currently have I don't think killing him was justified. Even if he simply got arrested that day, there is no way he would have served time for strong armed robbery, even KSUW could have gotten that pleaded down if he was charged with that in the first place which isn't a slam dunk either.
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That is so awesome, go eff yourself wormy little youtuber camera man!
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
I'm willing to bet that both of those lawsuits are for events after the shooting, I'd guarantee that the ACLU one is.
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
I'm willing to bet that both of those lawsuits are for events after the shooting, I'd guarantee that the ACLU one is.
Where does the city get its money?
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
I'm willing to bet that both of those lawsuits are for events after the shooting, I'd guarantee that the ACLU one is.
Where does the city get its money?
self insured in many places
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Violently assault? He pushed the guy pretty hard but that wasn't really all that violent imo.
I mean yeah you can technically say he was a violent criminal but his actions in the liquor store were about the weakest violent crimes in history.
Technically. :lol:
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
This is what happened when I clciked on the link:
Boing Boing
404: Nope
:curse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU
https://twitter.com/aclu_mo/status/502181704493432833
I can't believe that guy wasn't ninja wielding his night stick. He looked to be a supreme physical specimen and not at all a dumpy fat rough ridin' pud. Still, reassuring that those kinds of Americans are out there risking it all to protect and serve. You can tell he got into law enforcement because he really wanted to help people out. Not like a power trip or overcompensating for his insecurities.
I guess kudos to a lot of folks though for seeing fit to put that gun in his hand in that situation. Good eye(s).
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Even if he simply got arrested that day, there is no way he would have served time for strong armed robbery, even KSUW could have gotten that pleaded down if he was charged with that in the first place which isn't a slam dunk either.
He was caught on video. It would have been pled down, but I'm still guessing 30 days in jail.
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I know, I know, it's (gasp) Fox, but the "badly beaten" story is gaining legs. Obviously significant if true.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/)
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I know, I know, it's (gasp) Fox, but the "badly beaten" story is gaining legs. Obviously significant if true.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/)
I don't understand why police don't release his picture from the ER, which was undoubtedly taken, and once again totally later the paradigm of the story.
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Officer "Go F Thyself" is suspended indefinitely.
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
I'm willing to bet that both of those lawsuits are for events after the shooting, I'd guarantee that the ACLU one is.
yes for ACLU one. Other one is assault that is either from the altercations following or plaintiff is the king of perfect timing
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Regardless whether wilson goes to jail, he is going to be wrongful-death sued into nothingness, right?
I don't know many city cops with enough assets to care about this type of thing. the dept. should be more worried about it.
The City is getting sued regardless. I noticed 2 suits filed against Ferguson today, one by the ACLU
I'm willing to bet that both of those lawsuits are for events after the shooting, I'd guarantee that the ACLU one is.
Where does the city get its money?
the taxpayers. :frown:
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
This is what happened when I clciked on the link:
Boing Boing
404: Nope
:curse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU
https://twitter.com/aclu_mo/status/502181704493432833
I can't believe that guy wasn't ninja wielding his night stick. He looked to be a supreme physical specimen and not at all a dumpy fat rough ridin' pud. Still, reassuring that those kinds of Americans are out there risking it all to protect and serve. You can tell he got into law enforcement because he really wanted to help people out. Not like a power trip or overcompensating for his insecurities.
I guess kudos to a lot of folks though for seeing fit to put that gun in his hand in that situation. Good eye(s).
I wonder how much training it takes to be in that kind of shape and not at all a fat bald annoying loser?
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Guys: Water Cannons! :facepalm:
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Guys: Water Cannons! :facepalm:
DOBERMANS
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Those are very good points, MIR.
Yes.
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and numerous white folks with a considerable amount of influence don't speak for me just because I'm white...er, part of the "white community".
I get no love!
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It's hot outside
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hhahahahahahaha lib seven times!
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Before we get to pre-crime, we'll have to come up with a "Violent-crime-o-meter" that will gauge the severity of the violent crime.
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http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-eff-yourself-says.html
When this is how the Ferguson PD acts IN FRONT OF CAMERAS WITH THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING, how do you think they act toward their citizens? Jesus Christ.
If that's how Brown acts in a store with security cameras imagine how he acts on the streets.
Sent using Tapatalk Elite on iPhone 6
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Jesus christ :surprised:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU)
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GAH
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Link to his Instagram? FB?
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holy crap, they released that to show the shooting was justified.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-release-video-audio-of-deadly-police-shooting/article_9326e02a-2a60-5baa-b63a-9c77b8b81bab.html?mobile_touch=true
Well, at least they were following protocol, (they can kill an attacker with a knife that comes within 21 feet), but still.
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If you try to defend the cops committing that murder you're a rough ridin' sociopath and deserve to die along with those piece of crap scum pigs.
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The people on the sidewalk were laughing at him for goodness sake. When they first pulled their guns I was worried they would hit a bystander.
They should get charged with something, shouldn't they?
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The people on the sidewalk were laughing at him for goodness sake. When they first pulled their guns I was worried they would hit a bystander.
They should get charged with something, shouldn't they?
They weren't laughing when he started walking at the cops and yelling at them to kill him.
If they have a policy in place saying that they can do what they did, then what on earth would they get charged with? The PD/city will get sued because they explicitly sanctioned it. At the end of the day if you don't want crap like this to go on you sure as hell can't officially tell them they're allowed to do it. I mean 21 rough ridin' feet? Unreal.
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The people on the sidewalk were laughing at him for goodness sake. When they first pulled their guns I was worried they would hit a bystander.
They should get charged with something, shouldn't they?
They weren't laughing when he started walking at the cops and yelling at them to kill him.
If they have a policy in place saying that they can do what they did, then what on earth would they get charged with? The PD/city will get sued because they explicitly sanctioned it. At the end of the day if you don't want crap like this to go on you sure as hell can't officially tell them they're allowed to do it. I mean 21 rough ridin' feet? Unreal.
Yeah, good points. I suppose you could also argue some sort of negligence as they don't try to mend his wounds but instead made sure he was I'm handcuffs(!) That wouldn't necessarily get them charged, but should get them kicked out of the force or something.
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The people on the sidewalk were laughing at him for goodness sake. When they first pulled their guns I was worried they would hit a bystander.
They should get charged with something, shouldn't they?
They weren't laughing when he started walking at the cops and yelling at them to kill him.
If they have a policy in place saying that they can do what they did, then what on earth would they get charged with? The PD/city will get sued because they explicitly sanctioned it. At the end of the day if you don't want crap like this to go on you sure as hell can't officially tell them they're allowed to do it. I mean 21 rough ridin' feet? Unreal.
Yeah, good points. I suppose you could also argue some sort of negligence as they don't try to mend his wounds but instead made sure he was I'm handcuffs(!) That wouldn't necessarily get them charged, but should get them kicked out of the force or something.
They should've pulled some forceps out of their batbelts, removed the bullets and then sutured up the wounds, after disinfecting them (of course).
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The people on the sidewalk were laughing at him for goodness sake. When they first pulled their guns I was worried they would hit a bystander.
They should get charged with something, shouldn't they?
They weren't laughing when he started walking at the cops and yelling at them to kill him.
If they have a policy in place saying that they can do what they did, then what on earth would they get charged with? The PD/city will get sued because they explicitly sanctioned it. At the end of the day if you don't want crap like this to go on you sure as hell can't officially tell them they're allowed to do it. I mean 21 rough ridin' feet? Unreal.
Yeah, good points. I suppose you could also argue some sort of negligence as they don't try to mend his wounds but instead made sure he was I'm handcuffs(!) That wouldn't necessarily get them charged, but should get them kicked out of the force or something.
They should've pulled some forceps out of their batbelts, removed the bullets and then sutured up the wounds, after disinfecting them (of course).
I mean crap, maybe they could have put pressure on them to try to stop the bleeding or something. Do cops not know how to administer basic first aid without a bat belt?
Again, I think I'm giving cops too much credit here. Oh well.
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I bet they have a policy stating they're supposed to cuff violent suspects even if shot/severely injured. Would be shocked if they didn't. Safety first.
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I bet they have a policy stating they're supposed to cuff violent suspects even if shot/severely injured. Would be shocked if they didn't. Safety first.
You're probably right
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jesus christ that looks bad. like i don't even. i mean, i counted nine shots. :frown:
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cRusty, you shouldn't rest until you're out there on the streets of Feguson telling THE MAN he's dumb and did wrong.
Let us know when you're going, I want to set the DVR.
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Even the Russians are taunting us (again) . . . The Russians!
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140820/192185875/US-Should-Pay-More-Attention-to-Internal-Race-Related-Issues-.html
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cRusty, you shouldn't rest until you're out there on the streets of Feguson telling THE MAN he's dumb and did wrong.
Let us know when you're going, I want to set the DVR.
what on earth are you talking about you loveable old coot
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jesus christ that looks bad. like i don't even. i mean, i counted nine shots. :frown:
The news reports say the police confirmed that each officer fired six times. You missed three somewhere in there apparently.
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cRusty, you shouldn't rest until you're out there on the streets of Feguson telling THE MAN he's dumb and did wrong.
Let us know when you're going, I want to set the DVR.
what on earth are you talking about you loveable old coot
You seem pretty fired up about this, and I thought if you got out there on the streets it my help your angst, verve and zeal regarding the situation.
Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
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jesus christ that looks bad. like i don't even. i mean, i counted nine shots. :frown:
The news reports say the police confirmed that each officer fired six times. You missed three somewhere in there apparently.
it begs the question that if their guns held ten bullets each, would they have shot him twenty times? twenty gun bullet then he would have been shot forty? i mean honestly what is the protocol here? just keep shooting until you can't shoot anymore? seemed excessive. like, overly.
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cRusty, you shouldn't rest until you're out there on the streets of Feguson telling THE MAN he's dumb and did wrong.
Let us know when you're going, I want to set the DVR.
what on earth are you talking about you loveable old coot
You seem pretty fired up about this, and I thought if you got out there on the streets it my help your angst, verve and zeal regarding the situation.
LOL
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"black man shot 54 times after brandishing a pocket knife within 21 feet of 9 st. louis police officers at downtown music festival."
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Mich is just totally divorced from reality at this point. Consider putting the keyboard up for the night.
This was textbook suicide by cop. Feel sorry for the cops put in that position and that the suspect wasnt getting the mental help he needed. This is just the ultimate in shitty sutuations for everyone around.
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Mich is just totally divorced from reality at this point. Consider putting the keyboard up for the night.
This was textbook suicide by cop. Feel sorry for the cops put in that position and that the suspect wasnt getting the mental help he needed. This is just the ultimate in shitty sutuations for everyone around.
if true, then the cops should really be commended for really holding up their end. i'm half surprise they didn't both reload and then shoot him twelve more times just to be, like you know, really really sure they got him.
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Obvs you've never fired a gun and know very little about them. But keep on expertin'.
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Isn't Rick like one of the Little Apple's Finest?
If so, shouldn't you be out rousting some college kids Rick, or telling the SAE's to keep the music down or something?
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Obvs you've never fired a gun and know very little about them. But keep on expertin'.
automatic handguns for st louis police? pull the trigger once and it fires all six shots?
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jesus christ that looks bad. like i don't even. i mean, i counted nine shots. :frown:
The news reports say the police confirmed that each officer fired six times. You missed three somewhere in there apparently.
it begs the question that if their guns held ten bullets each, would they have shot him twenty times? twenty gun bullet then he would have been shot forty? i mean honestly what is the protocol here? just keep shooting until you can't shoot anymore? seemed excessive. like, overly.
It wasn't question begging. However, this post does beg the question.
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Mich is just totally divorced from reality at this point. Consider putting the keyboard up for the night.
This was textbook suicide by cop. Feel sorry for the cops put in that position and that the suspect wasnt getting the mental help he needed. This is just the ultimate in shitty sutuations for everyone around.
man I think we may need a new textbook for cops when it comes to dealing suicidal people walking with steak knives. Did you watch the video?
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For all of you on this blog that have attacked a cop and survived, what do you think you did differently than these guys to avoid being killed?
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For all of you on this blog that have attacked a cop and survived, what do you think you did differently than these guys to avoid being killed?
did you watch the video?
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For all of you on this blog that have attacked a cop and survived, what do you think you did differently than these guys to avoid being killed?
have never attacked one, but i'll sure think twice about going to st louis and ordering a steak if i'm seated within 21 feet of one from now on.
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If Mich has or eventually has kids, I feel or will feel bad for them, poor little guys will never do anything right in daddys eyes.
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maybe he properly trains them to be competent :dunno:
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For all of you on this blog that have attacked a cop and survived, what do you think you did differently than these guys to avoid being killed?
did you watch the video?
I couldn't tell if he was looking one of them in the eyes or not, but it looked like he was trying to be killed by the cop on the left.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/police-evacuate-pro-wilson-supporters-for-safety-clergy-makes-up/article_240a2e9c-a160-5d69-8a7b-c98e04d027d1.html
trollin
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For all of you on this blog that have attacked a cop and survived, what do you think you did differently than these guys to avoid being killed?
have never attacked one, but i'll sure think twice about going to st louis and ordering a steak if i'm seated within 21 feet of one from now on.
Holy crap :ROFL:
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I'm sure this is a luke, but reposting anyway. It's the knife dude the cops shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBPtWUJqPM#t=11
Necessary deadly force? Questionable to me. Obvious suicide by cop tho.
also :barf
Edit to add: I'm no legal expert, but one would think that these cops get off easy or scot (Scott?) free in court. I just think it seems a little excessive, especially cuffing a dead guy.
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I'm sure this is a luke, but reposting anyway. It's the knife dude the cops shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBPtWUJqPM#t=11
Necessary deadly force? Questionable to me.
also :barf
Those cops are absolutely murderers
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We need to give these cops guns that only hold one bullet at a time. Nobody would be dead right now and there would be no riots.
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We need to give these cops guns that only hold one bullet at a time. Nobody would be dead right now and there would be no riots.
That's silly, but isn't there a pretty good chance that if that guy only had one or two bullets in him, he could have been prevented from harming the police, yet also be prevented from losing his life?
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We need to give these cops guns that only hold one bullet at a time. Nobody would be dead right now and there would be no riots.
That's silly, but isn't there a pretty good chance that if that guy only had one or two bullets in him, he could have been prevented from harming the police, yet also be prevented from losing his life?
A much better chance than getting shot 12 times, anyway. Plus, he wouldn't have been shot at all if Brown had only been shot once in the arm and arrested.
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I'm sure this is a luke, but reposting anyway. It's the knife dude the cops shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBPtWUJqPM#t=11
Necessary deadly force? Questionable to me. Obvious suicide by cop tho.
also :barf
Edit to add: I'm no legal expert, but one would think that these cops get off easy or scot (Scott?) free in court. I just think it seems a little excessive, especially cuffing a dead guy.
We discussed this, but they are trained to kill someone with a knife if they are within 21 feet of the cop. So I don't think they did anything they weren't supposed to. Which is a big problem IMO - the institution's training and protocol are much more of a worry than the individual cops.
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Wait a rough ridin' minute. The Chief of Police said that the man came at the officers with a knife in a downward thrusting motion and was within 7 feet when shot. Cops aren't racist they are rough ridin' blind and shitty at judging distance.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
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Wait a rough ridin' minute. The Chief of Police said that the man came at the officers with a knife in a downward thrusting motion and was within 7 feet when shot. Cops aren't racist they are rough ridin' blind and shitty at judging distance.
They can still be racist and terrible at judging distance. The blind part would be a difficult combo with being racist, though.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
I'm just messing with you and your insane boner for Obama.
PS. Holder isn't investigating this, his office is, probably the US Atty's office in STL. Who are insanely competent and qualified lawyers with lots of experience.
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LOL
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
I'm just messing with you and your insane boner for Obama.
PS. Holder isn't investigating this, his office is, probably the US Atty's office in STL. Who are insanely competent and qualified lawyers with lots of experience.
. . . with Eric Holder looking over their shoulder (yep, I just did that) every step of the way seeking to get the most politically expeditious outcome for the current administration as possible (never let a "crisis" go to waste).
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
I'm just messing with you and your insane boner for Obama.
PS. Holder isn't investigating this, his office is, probably the US Atty's office in STL. Who are insanely competent and qualified lawyers with lots of experience.
. . . with Eric Holder looking over their shoulder (yep, I just did that) every step of the way seeking to get the most politically expeditious outcome for the current administration as possible (never let a "crisis" go to waste).
Correct. You cannot seperate Holder from this - he's the boss, and I think it is unfortunately quite likely that the outcome of this investigation will be politically skewed.
By the way, here are the resumes of the attorneys who work in the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, which is investigating the Brown shooting. Every single one is a hardcore liberal.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true)
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More conservatives should get involved with civil rights law.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
I'm just messing with you and your insane boner for Obama.
PS. Holder isn't investigating this, his office is, probably the US Atty's office in STL. Who are insanely competent and qualified lawyers with lots of experience.
. . . with Eric Holder looking over their shoulder (yep, I just did that) every step of the way seeking to get the most politically expeditious outcome for the current administration as possible (never let a "crisis" go to waste).
Correct. You cannot seperate Holder from this - he's the boss, and I think it is unfortunately quite likely that the outcome of this investigation will be politically skewed.
By the way, here are the resumes of the attorneys who work in the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, which is investigating the Brown shooting. Every single one is a hardcore liberal.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true)
Are you saying that conservatives don't go into the civil rights field? :Wha:
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What does any of this have to do with civil rights?
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
He and Obama should be indicted, am I right bro? I mean they are just insane criminals and obviously muslims.
I didn't say any of that. I said that he has just admitted that this case is "personal" for him, and he is therefore not qualified to investigate it impartially.
I'm just messing with you and your insane boner for Obama.
PS. Holder isn't investigating this, his office is, probably the US Atty's office in STL. Who are insanely competent and qualified lawyers with lots of experience.
. . . with Eric Holder looking over their shoulder (yep, I just did that) every step of the way seeking to get the most politically expeditious outcome for the current administration as possible (never let a "crisis" go to waste).
Correct. You cannot seperate Holder from this - he's the boss, and I think it is unfortunately quite likely that the outcome of this investigation will be politically skewed.
By the way, here are the resumes of the attorneys who work in the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, which is investigating the Brown shooting. Every single one is a hardcore liberal.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/every-single-one-the-politicized-hiring-of-eric-holder%e2%80%99s-criminal-section/?singlepage=true)
LOL at that website.
when is the book signing for "Injustice"?
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https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184 (https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184)
Posted this on twitter. Killing a black teenager sure is lucrative. I mean Zimmerman raised a ton too. Step 1. Get a conceal and carry license, Step 2 shoot a suspicious black teenager. Step 3 PROFIT!!!!!!!!
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https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184 (https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184)
Posted this on twitter. Killing a black teenager sure is lucrative. I mean Zimmerman raised a ton too. Step 1. Get a conceal and carry license, Step 2 shoot a suspicious black teenager. Step 3 PROFIT!!!!!!!!
:sdeek:
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https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184 (https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184)
Posted this on twitter. Killing a black teenager sure is lucrative. I mean Zimmerman raised a ton too. Step 1. Get a conceal and carry license, Step 2 shoot a suspicious black teenager. Step 3 PROFIT!!!!!!!!
:sdeek:
wait a sec, this came from @fart, who although is a genius, is a bit ornery and could have made it up. I will research.
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https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184 (https://twitter.com/bastardkeith/status/502472644131037184)
Posted this on twitter. Killing a black teenager sure is lucrative. I mean Zimmerman raised a ton too. Step 1. Get a conceal and carry license, Step 2 shoot a suspicious black teenager. Step 3 PROFIT!!!!!!!!
:sdeek:
wait a sec, this came from @fart, who although is a genius, is a bit ornery and could have made it up. I will research.
@fart is a great follow.
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OK, I think this is likely legit:
$20
Jim Crow
51 mins ago
I would have donated double this amount, but you missed his accomplice.
http://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson
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I assume Wilson will decline this racist blood money.
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I assume Wilson will decline this racist blood money.
Obviously since he isn't a racist.
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holy crap the comments with the donations :sdeek:
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$5
Polis Right
22 mins ago
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-Racism is code word for Anti-white.
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$5
Polis Right
22 mins ago
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-Racism is code word for Anti-white.
That's a five dollar comment if I've ever seen one
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"so, one thing that concerns me is the fact that there were four of you on the scene and the man was shot a startling 23 times. can any of you give me an explanation for this?"
"I can, chief. my gun jammed after my third shot. sorry."
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
Hmmmm, I don't recall Holder saying this is personal because Brown was black, fantastic observation though, guys. Seems like K-S-U-Wildcats!, he whom never makes assumptions, just made another race based assumption. SURPRISE! It's a highly negative assumption about a black person.
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Holder backed up his "its personal" stance with several anecdotal stories about being racially profiled.
Hopefully "its personal" in the sense that Mr. Holder will truly get to the bottom of this case, where strong indicators are that the alleged perp/victim violently attacked a law enforcement officer.
I am also sensing a mindset by some that if a non African American attacked (allegedly) a law enforcement in a similar fashion that the response would be substantially less, which is laughable.
To make matters worse is that you have Van Jones' of the world on CNN essentially spewing forth a story line that in so many words paints a picture of white law enforcement officers rolling up on African American males and blowing them away all across the country. Which is absurd and that's taking into full account the unnecessary profiling that does go on in this country.
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Cops killed a black dude in Chicago yesterday. He did have a gun though.
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I am also sensing a mindset by some that if a non African American attacked (allegedly) a law enforcement in a similar fashion that the response would be substantially less, which is laughable.
Personally, I think the cop would have been less aggressive to a white person and therefore less likely to be attacked.* But I agree that a cop probably would have used similar force on a white person once it escalated to the alleged point it did.
*Yes, I know that you shouldn't attack a cop and this doesn't excuse Brown if he did attack the cop as has been alleged.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
Hmmmm, I don't recall Holder saying this is personal because Brown was black, fantastic observation though, guys. Seems like K-S-U-Wildcats!, he whom never makes assumptions, just made another race based assumption. SURPRISE! It's a highly negative assumption about a black person.
As dax noted, Holder specifically referred to times when he felt racially profiled. So, per usual, you're full of crap.
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I really expected gE to have more to say on this. Was really looking forward to reading the commentary.
LOL.... what do you think now?
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ha ha
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Crazy older white guy was in Platte County yesterday on a bridge overlooking I-29, pointing a gun at a bunch of vehicles as they drove by. Cops simply tazed him.
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Did Eric Holder call this case "personal". American's murdered every day, but this case, which may or may not have been murder, is "personal" for our AG? Fascinating if so.
Yes, he did, and he should be removed from the investigation immediately based on his comments. Once again, Eric Holder proves that he is more interested in pursuing a racial agenda than justice under the law.
Hmmmm, I don't recall Holder saying this is personal because Brown was black, fantastic observation though, guys. Seems like K-S-U-Wildcats!, he whom never makes assumptions, just made another race based assumption. SURPRISE! It's a highly negative assumption about a black person.
As dax noted, Holder specifically referred to times when he felt racially profiled. So, per usual, you're full of crap.
Should he not use his experiences in life in his job? A black person admitted to being profiled. How on Earth can he do his job now?
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But who else wants to join me as I walk around "Stand Your Ground" states with a concealed gun and shoot suspicious black teens. Very very lucrative business idea you guys!!!!
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Crazy older white guy was in Platte County yesterday on a bridge overlooking I-29, pointing a gun at a bunch of vehicles as they drove by. Cops simply tazed him.
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/idaho-man-arrested-after-pointing-gun-at-missouri-interstate-traffic/article_1fb1e238-2874-11e4-b2a8-0019bb2963f4.html
PLATTE CITY, Mo. (AP) — The Platte County Sheriff's Office and the Missouri State Highway Patrol say they arrested an Idaho man who witnesses said was pointing a gun at traffic along Interstate 29 north of Kansas City.
Authorities say they have not received any reports of the man firing shots at traffic. Several witnesses reported seeing the man walking along the interstate with a rifle.
KMBC-TV reports the 46-year-old man was arrested Tuesday afternoon near the Tracy-Weston exit close to Platte City.
Deputies used a stun gun on William R. Elders to take him into custody.
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Crazy older white guy was in Platte County yesterday on a bridge overlooking I-29, pointing a gun at a bunch of vehicles as they drove by. Cops simply tazed him.
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/idaho-man-arrested-after-pointing-gun-at-missouri-interstate-traffic/article_1fb1e238-2874-11e4-b2a8-0019bb2963f4.html
PLATTE CITY, Mo. (AP) — The Platte County Sheriff's Office and the Missouri State Highway Patrol say they arrested an Idaho man who witnesses said was pointing a gun at traffic along Interstate 29 north of Kansas City.
Authorities say they have not received any reports of the man firing shots at traffic. Several witnesses reported seeing the man walking along the interstate with a rifle.
KMBC-TV reports the 46-year-old man was arrested Tuesday afternoon near the Tracy-Weston exit close to Platte City.
Deputies used a stun gun on William R. Elders to take him into custody.
He must not have been committing textbook "suicide by cop", therefore the cops weren't required to unload their clips into him.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-d2Bm3Eh65AU%2FTj05AJ4MMfI%2FAAAAAAAABKY%2F6GerBlj-930%2Fs1600%2FTwins_handshake2.gif&hash=f7e89d4d5ecb4665a17dc3a3fc5e43167622d57a)
(The old timey twins logo is pretty great.)
Hiya there. I see we're just a coupla big cities within close proximity to each other. What say instead of gettin after each other we decide to just be friendly, eh?
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Oops!
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Crazy older white guy was in Platte County yesterday on a bridge overlooking I-29, pointing a gun at a bunch of vehicles as they drove by. Cops simply tazed him.
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/idaho-man-arrested-after-pointing-gun-at-missouri-interstate-traffic/article_1fb1e238-2874-11e4-b2a8-0019bb2963f4.html
PLATTE CITY, Mo. (AP) — The Platte County Sheriff's Office and the Missouri State Highway Patrol say they arrested an Idaho man who witnesses said was pointing a gun at traffic along Interstate 29 north of Kansas City.
Authorities say they have not received any reports of the man firing shots at traffic. Several witnesses reported seeing the man walking along the interstate with a rifle.
KMBC-TV reports the 46-year-old man was arrested Tuesday afternoon near the Tracy-Weston exit close to Platte City.
Deputies used a stun gun on William R. Elders to take him into custody.
He must not have been committing textbook "suicide by cop", therefore the cops weren't required to unload their clips into him.
Platte Co: Soft on crime!
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Maybe he actually put down the gun and complied with the officers' demands??? :dunno:
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Maybe he actually put down the gun and complied with the officers' demands??? :dunno:
Why would they taze him if he did that?
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My super insidery source says that wasn't how it went down.
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My super insidery source says that wasn't how it went down.
You mean he didn't get tazed, or he didn't surrender peacefully?
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Needed to be tazed. Was batshit crazy. Didn't drop gun willingly.
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Tazers seem like a good response here! West MO cops FTW
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Tazers seem like a good response here! West MO cops FTW
Yup. They are the real heros
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:Carl:
More conservatives should get involved with civil rights law.
Like yesterday.
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Remember when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act as a democrat and after he did remarks, "there goes the south" and everyone lolz?
:frown:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/20/missouri-highway-patrol-capt-ron-johnson-is-not-a-gang-member-hes-just-a-kappa/
:lol:
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http://youtu.be/SzTQWBjbvbI
:sdeek:
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I'm disappointed somebody here didn't make a gE Pit version.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvfcalBCYAAVbCY.jpg)
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LOL
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omg
(though that pretty much is the pit version)
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Looks like mir made himself a female profile to rant on
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2F0418-KARON-wright-plus-comment.jpg&hash=ff00f4c8f13e46d342c1c2e14450275924457b24)
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Oh man. Some random person on social media was racist?
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:surprised:
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Looks like mir made himself a female profile to rant on
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2F0418-KARON-wright-plus-comment.jpg&hash=ff00f4c8f13e46d342c1c2e14450275924457b24)
Only 3 likes?
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You haven't observed racist MIR until you see him "10" a jewish girl with a cross necklace.
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You haven't observed racist MIR until you see him "10" a jewish girl with a cross necklace.
:lol:
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10540911_10152625058793189_5935954590253697964_n.jpg?oh=d9470bf8b67a68fbc8c9a5a6f9a51b55&oe=5480CE77&__gda__=1415912289_6096c68b5bcb44fbc5b52d178bae9725)
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:lol:
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:D
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ha
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that's good. get that guy to post here.
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Ferguson pd confirmed Wilson shot at Brown as he ran away.
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Ferguson pd confirmed Wilson shot at Brown as he ran away.
So murderer then?
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Ferguson pd confirmed Wilson shot at Brown as he ran away.
So murderer then?
Definitely supports witness statements
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Ferguson pd confirmed Wilson shot at Brown as he ran away.
Link?
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Ferguson pd confirmed Wilson shot at Brown as he ran away.
Link?
Someone should reply to this with a link back to this page. T'would be hilario.
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Ferguson tonight(assuming the info just came out today):
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Saw on twitter, it's from NYT article
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Saw on twitter, it's from NYT article
liberal rag
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?ref=us&_r=2)
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I hope it went down as stated in the article. I was beginning to lose faith.
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Wow. Very interesting. If the police are saying that Brown was running away when Wilson started to shoot, I'm inclined to believe them.
If Brown attacked Wilson (he probably did), seriously injured Wilson (he probably did), and went for Wilson's gun (no idea), then I still think Wilson had reasonable cause to fire at a fleeing Brown (the "fleeing felon rule"). But, if Wilson was shooting at a fleeing Brown, it's also possible that Wilson shot Brown even as he tried to surrender.
I still think the cop likely walks based on the prior robbery, aggressive behavior, and autopsy results, but an indictment might at least be appropriate based on these facts, if true.
The two wounds to the head are hard to square up. Both would have killed Brown almost immediately, and the only way the cop could have hit the top of Brown's head with the trajectory of the bullet towards his chin is if (1) the cop was standing over him - nobody is saying that - or (2) Brown's head was inclined towards Wilson. That suggests Brown was moving towards Wilson, unless he was already falling forward dead from the shot to the eye, which would make the shot to the head extremely difficult.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-admit-accidentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/
#HandsUp
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The fleeing felon rule should be renamed the piece of crap lazy cop rule.
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Wow. Very interesting. If the police are saying that Brown was running away when Wilson started to shoot, I'm inclined to believe them.
If Brown attacked Wilson (he probably did), seriously injured Wilson (he probably did), and went for Wilson's gun (no idea), then I still think Wilson had reasonable cause to fire at a fleeing Brown (the "fleeing felon rule"). But, if Wilson was shooting at a fleeing Brown, it's also possible that Wilson shot Brown even as he tried to surrender.
I still think the cop likely walks based on the prior robbery, aggressive behavior, and autopsy results, but an indictment might at least be appropriate based on these facts, if true.
The two wounds to the head are hard to square up. Both would have killed Brown almost immediately, and the only way the cop could have hit the top of Brown's head with the trajectory of the bullet towards his chin is if (1) the cop was standing over him - nobody is saying that - or (2) Brown's head was inclined towards Wilson. That suggests Brown was moving towards Wilson, unless he was already falling forward dead from the shot to the eye, which would make the shot to the head extremely difficult.
I'm inclined to believe the shot to the top of the head was coincidental. Brown was falling forward, and the bullet just happened to hit him there.
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I'm pretty sure the real-life fleeing felon rule is in this thread somewhere.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-admit-accidentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/
#HandsUp
Yes, this is definitely a bingo square
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slightly related
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvarNtzIUAAWhPD.png:large)
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6044573/half-of-black-men-have-been-arrested-by-age-23?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=voxdotcom&utm_content=tuesday
:sdeek:
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All of those seem really high
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Facebook thread post
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@chingon Hawaiian punch!!
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this guy is a cop that allegedly shoved Don Lemon. Just start at 1:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jFtXG4fC5A&feature=youtu.be
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/officer-who-pushed-don-lemon-relieved-of-duty-after-racist-rant-emerges/
OK, so that was a pretty weak "push" but yeah no evidence of racism or incompetence in the area
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just playing this in the background, he tries to claim Missouri is a sovereign nation at about the 7:00 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0jFtXG4fC5A#t=393
:lol:
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oh man, then he goes on a rant about getting a copy of his birth certificate that says "White Male" instead of "Caucasian Male" like the original did.
THEY'RE TAKING AWAY YOUR IDENTITY
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-admit-accidentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/
#HandsUp
Yes, this is definitely a bingo square
:lol:
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assaulting an officer isn't a death sentence. cop should rot
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The fleeing felon rule should be renamed the piece of crap lazy cop rule.
Redundant
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If I get killed, I hope they don't find some of my pics on FB. They'll think I had it coming. :ohno:
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this all reminds me of the southpark epi when they were shooting everything after yelling "it's coming right at us"
#pikepost
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http://www.upworthy.com/here-are-10-images-by-the-time-i-reached-the-third-one-i-was-crying-by-the-10th-i-was-furious?c=ufb1
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http://www.upworthy.com/here-are-10-images-by-the-time-i-reached-the-third-one-i-was-crying-by-the-10th-i-was-furious?c=ufb1
I really appreciate it when they use these stories, because nothing makes a point about race when the attorney for one example said its not about race, another story the kid had a gun, and in another there was a violent confrontation initiated by the kid who died.
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I never click upworthy
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I never click upworthy
Idea to improve goEMAW: Do not allow people to link upworthy, buzzfeed, et al
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I think this one was the Red Sox manager. Who knew?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupw-prod-images.global.ssl.fastly.net%2Fnugget%2F53f4bf6c70e33789b5000038%2Fattachments%2Fcopy-1e7e6af74cd47cd9510608d43573aa53.jpg&hash=cd1600e5ce2292ad3ff69d26ade3207c035daada)
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Wow. Very interesting. If the police are saying that Brown was running away when Wilson started to shoot, I'm inclined to believe them.
If Brown attacked Wilson (he probably did), seriously injured Wilson (he probably did), and went for Wilson's gun (no idea), then I still think Wilson had reasonable cause to fire at a fleeing Brown (the "fleeing felon rule"). But, if Wilson was shooting at a fleeing Brown, it's also possible that Wilson shot Brown even as he tried to surrender.
I still think the cop likely walks based on the prior robbery, aggressive behavior, and autopsy results, but an indictment might at least be appropriate based on these facts, if true.
The two wounds to the head are hard to square up. Both would have killed Brown almost immediately, and the only way the cop could have hit the top of Brown's head with the trajectory of the bullet towards his chin is if (1) the cop was standing over him - nobody is saying that - or (2) Brown's head was inclined towards Wilson. That suggests Brown was moving towards Wilson, unless he was already falling forward dead from the shot to the eye, which would make the shot to the head extremely difficult.
You're a real piece of crap if you think the "fleeing felon" rule was justified.
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Wow. Very interesting. If the police are saying that Brown was running away when Wilson started to shoot, I'm inclined to believe them.
If Brown attacked Wilson (he probably did), seriously injured Wilson (he probably did), and went for Wilson's gun (no idea), then I still think Wilson had reasonable cause to fire at a fleeing Brown (the "fleeing felon rule"). But, if Wilson was shooting at a fleeing Brown, it's also possible that Wilson shot Brown even as he tried to surrender.
I still think the cop likely walks based on the prior robbery, aggressive behavior, and autopsy results, but an indictment might at least be appropriate based on these facts, if true.
The two wounds to the head are hard to square up. Both would have killed Brown almost immediately, and the only way the cop could have hit the top of Brown's head with the trajectory of the bullet towards his chin is if (1) the cop was standing over him - nobody is saying that - or (2) Brown's head was inclined towards Wilson. That suggests Brown was moving towards Wilson, unless he was already falling forward dead from the shot to the eye, which would make the shot to the head extremely difficult.
You're a real piece of crap if you think the "fleeing felon" rule was justified.
It isn't about whether it is a good rule. It is about whether the rule will apply to this case. Obviously KSU! thinks the cop is a piece of shot murderer for killing a guy that was running away, but this is about the law, not KSU!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
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Article doesn't tell much except Wilson doesn't take his wedding vows seriously.
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this all reminds me of the southpark epi when they were shooting everything after yelling "it's coming right at us"
#pikepost
Haha. Shoot 'em Ned!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
what a smear piece
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At least he called in sick after wasting a kid.
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http://huff.to/VN7Q1w
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http://huff.to/VN7Q1w
Hey look a weasely little dork who became a cop and beat up a 12 year old. :horrorsurprise:
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http://huff.to/VN7Q1w
Hey look a weasely little dork who became a cop and beat up a 12 year old. :horrorsurprise:
Did you get to where they recapped what they've found about other Fergie cops? There's a theme re: 12-year-olds, including 12-year-old girls.
Cosma isn't the only officer whose past has received new attention in the wake of the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown and the subsequent protests in Ferguson. Eddie Boyd III, an officer who faced allegations of hitting children while serving under the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department, quietly resigned and sought employment with the Ferguson Police Department. Boyd faced three complaints of physical abuse against children between 2004 and 2006, two of which were dropped. Internal affairs sustained the third complaint against Boyd, saying there was sufficient evidence to support the allegation that he struck a 12-year-old girl in the head with a pistol, and recommended Boyd be fired. The St. Louis police chose to demote him.
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How does this profession end up with so many weaklings?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
what a smear piece
I think its important that a police force is made up of officers who live within the community in which they serve.
I also believe that a police department that was disbanded for disproportionately and over aggressively targeting minorities - who had working for it an officer that has then then since been in an incident in which the suggestion of minority targeting has again been raised is relevant to any story that's come since then.
What is it then, specifically, in the article that leads you to believe its a "smear job" purposefully designed by the washington post writer and its editors?
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How does this profession end up with so many weaklings?
Easy path to "power," how much the cop exercises it is probably dependent on how weak they are.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
what a smear piece
I think its important that a police force is made up of officers who live within the community in which they serve.
I also believe that a police department that was disbanded for disproportionately and over aggressively targeting minorities - who had working for it an officer that has then then since been in an incident in which the suggestion of minority targeting has again been raised is relevant to any story that's come since then.
What is it then, specifically, in the article that leads you to believe its a "smear job" purposefully designed by the washington post writer and its editors?
Everybody knows that the Post has been out to get Ferguson police officer Wilson forever.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
what a smear piece
I think its important that a police force is made up of officers who live within the community in which they serve.
I also believe that a police department that was disbanded for disproportionately and over aggressively targeting minorities - who had working for it an officer that has then then since been in an incident in which the suggestion of minority targeting has again been raised is relevant to any story that's come since then.
What is it then, specifically, in the article that leads you to believe its a "smear job" purposefully designed by the washington post writer and its editors?
Dorian Johnson was wanted for other theft crimes.
Dorian Johnson has lied to police before.
Dorian Johnson has made false police reports before.
Since we know that both had no respect for the law, they are guilty of assaulting the cop since they have a track record of repeatedly breaking the law.
Or
Maybe the actions of related individuals don't have a bearing on this case and we shouldn't convict people based on their prior associations. Its an absurd thing to bring up when Wilson doesn't have a negative police record (that I've seen to this point). If he was part of a small group of officers who were fired that would be an issue. If Wilson had a history of specific complaints that would be an issue. But since none of this directly relates to Wilson and his conduct its just as absurd to bring up as the criminal history of Johnson or anyone else from Brown's circle of friends.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html
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1st 15 minutes is good. some of the rest is ok too.
http://www.onthemedia.org/story/on-the-media-2014-08-22/?utm_source=local&utm_media=treatment&utm_campaign=daMost&utm_content=damostviewed
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http://assholeoftheday.us/post/95765370440/linda-chavez-bad person-of-the-day-for-august-25
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html)
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html)
Please let this be real.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html)
no lie, I want to hear everything leading up to that moment in his chat.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html (http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/26/ctn-intv-brown-shoot-new-audio.cnn.html)
no lie, I want to hear everything leading up to that moment in his chat.
lol
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I loved how they didn't warn you that there was going to be sexy time talk before they played it. Would have ruined the moment for me.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
what a smear piece
I think its important that a police force is made up of officers who live within the community in which they serve.
I also believe that a police department that was disbanded for disproportionately and over aggressively targeting minorities - who had working for it an officer that has then then since been in an incident in which the suggestion of minority targeting has again been raised is relevant to any story that's come since then.
What is it then, specifically, in the article that leads you to believe its a "smear job" purposefully designed by the washington post writer and its editors?
Dorian Johnson was wanted for other theft crimes.
Dorian Johnson has lied to police before.
Dorian Johnson has made false police reports before.
Since we know that both had no respect for the law, they are guilty of assaulting the cop since they have a track record of repeatedly breaking the law.
Or
Maybe the actions of related individuals don't have a bearing on this case and we shouldn't convict people based on their prior associations. Its an absurd thing to bring up when Wilson doesn't have a negative police record (that I've seen to this point). If he was part of a small group of officers who were fired that would be an issue. If Wilson had a history of specific complaints that would be an issue. But since none of this directly relates to Wilson and his conduct its just as absurd to bring up as the criminal history of Johnson or anyone else from Brown's circle of friends.
I think they are both pretty relevant to this case.
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Yeah. Somebody is effing with CNN there.
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I loved how they didn't warn you that there was going to be sexy time talk before they played it. Would have ruined the moment for me.
Completely ignoring it in the discussion of the audio afterwards was great too.
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I loved how they didn't warn you that there was going to be sexy time talk before they played it. Would have ruined the moment for me.
Completely ignoring it in the discussion of the audio afterwards was great too.
#acting
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Yeah. Somebody is effing with CNN there.
Did CNN find that plane yet?
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For some reason this story hasn't made it out of Salt Lake. Unarmed 20 year old is shot dead by police. No mention of the race of the cop.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp)
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For some reason this story hasn't made it out of Salt Lake. Unarmed 20 year old is shot dead by police. No mention of the race of the cop.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp)
oh no another suicide by cop
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article1287028.html
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I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
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I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
Wow, not a hate crime?!
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I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
Wow, not a hate crime?!
Nope. Keep looking for an article that gives you that confirmation bias you're so desperate for
"This does not appear to be a hate crime," he said in the press release. "We are investigating this as an aggravated assault. It's very early in this investigation but thus far the evidence and statements suggest that a verbal altercation turned physical and somebody got hurt."
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/08/report_of_black_mob_beating_wh.html (http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/08/report_of_black_mob_beating_wh.html)
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I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
Wow, not a hate crime?!
Nope. Keep looking for an article that gives you that confirmation bias you're so desperate for
"This does not appear to be a hate crime," he said in the press release. "We are investigating this as an aggravated assault. It's very early in this investigation but thus far the evidence and statements suggest that a verbal altercation turned physical and somebody got hurt."
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/08/report_of_black_mob_beating_wh.html (http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/08/report_of_black_mob_beating_wh.html)
You didn't read the Daily Mail article?
He said a black man waved him over outside the restaurant and told him politely that people were upset by the killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and it wasn't a safe place for whites.
On the way to Weems' house, Knighten said, they went into a Huddle House restaurant with a nearly vacant parking lot.
However, he said, they apparently had been followed by a group of more than 20 black men.
Knighten, who said he had served with the Air Force in Afghanistan, said he came out of the restroom to find Weems surrounded.
'I was trying to defuse the situation,' he said.
After some shoving, he said, the security guard told everyone to leave.
Knighten said some people blocked him from leaving with Weems.
When he got out, he said, Weems was down and people were kicking him.
Knighten said others attacked him, adding 'I do remember racial slurs being yelled from the crowd.'
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It's tough being a white male in America. I've been dealing with these issues my entire life. :cry:
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For some reason this story hasn't made it out of Salt Lake. Unarmed 20 year old is shot dead by police. No mention of the race of the cop.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp)
of course there was no mention of race, everyone in Utah is white.
But yeah, police are killing to many kids.
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happened nearby too. if you google 'shot by police' a ton of stuff comes up.
http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article1286215.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/state/article1286215.html)
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For some reason this story hasn't made it out of Salt Lake. Unarmed 20 year old is shot dead by police. No mention of the race of the cop.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp)
of course there was no mention of race, everyone in Utah is white.
But yeah, police are killing to many kids.
Uh oh.
Mr. Taylor wasn’t black — he’s been described as white and Hispanic — and the officer who shot him Aug. 11 outside a 7-Eleven in South Salt Lake wasn’t white.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/#ixzz3BXjf47V9
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For some reason this story hasn't made it out of Salt Lake. Unarmed 20 year old is shot dead by police. No mention of the race of the cop.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58304981-78/police-taylor-lake-salt.html.csp)
of course there was no mention of race, everyone in Utah is white.
But yeah, police are killing to many kids.
Uh oh.
Mr. Taylor wasn’t black — he’s been described as white and Hispanic — and the officer who shot him Aug. 11 outside a 7-Eleven in South Salt Lake wasn’t white.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/#ixzz3BXjf47V9
Uh oh! :surprised:
Also:
Salt Lake Police Chief Chris Burbank said at an Aug. 19 press conference that the officer, whom he described as “not a white officer,” was wearing a body camera. He said the video would be released after the investigation into the shooting had been completed.
I hope they throw the book at this not white person. It seems like a relatively competent police force compared to Furgeson/StL County.
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I'd complain about a double-standard in the media when it comes to allegations of racism, but why bother? There's a lot of libtards out there that don't believe black against white prejudice meets the definition of "racism." Whatever, arguing that point is futile.
This whole thread has become a nauseating bitchfest about perceived racism. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that sometimes black people are unfairly targeted/treated by cops. I also think a legitimate argument can be made that whites and black alike place less value on black lives. But in this particular case, none of this results in a dead teenager if that teenage doesn't behave like a thug and attack a cop. That's the part Brown had control over - his own conduct.
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I'd complain about a double-standard in the media when it comes to allegations of racism, but why bother? There's a lot of libtards out there that don't believe black against white prejudice meets the definition of "racism." Whatever, arguing that point is futile.
way to take the high road
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I'd complain about a double-standard in the media when it comes to allegations of racism, but why bother? There's a lot of libtards out there that don't believe black against white prejudice meets the definition of "racism." Whatever, arguing that point is futile.
This whole thread has become a nauseating bitchfest about perceived racism. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that sometimes black people are unfairly targeted/treated by cops. I also think a legitimate argument can be made that whites and black alike place less value on black lives. But in this particular case, none of this results in a dead teenager if that teenage doesn't behave like a thug and attack a cop. That's the part Brown had control over - his own conduct.
K-S-U when you heard about the Michael Brown shooting and anticipated this thread did your boner touch the moon?
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Do you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."
I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
I can't believe I'm engaging you again, this won't end well. Anyway, two questions;
1. What is there for "we" to talk about? I don't think anyone is going to make excuses for this man being beaten. No one made excuses for looting in Ferguson, no one will make excuses for me driving 20 MPH over the speed limit earlier today. Plenty of excuses given though for a cop shooting an unarmed citizen though.
2. Why are you posting that in here, it has nothing to do what we're talking about. Is this now a catch-all-thread for crime? Is this a plea for whites who are victim of crime to get equal billing? I'm reading you placing this link here like you did, with whatever getting all foxnews-y means, essentially the same thing as saying this
I'd complain about a double-standard in the media when it comes to allegations of racism, but why bother? There's a lot of libtards out there that don't believe black against white prejudice meets the definition of "racism." Whatever, arguing that point is futile.
This whole thread has become a nauseating bitchfest about perceived racism. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that sometimes black people are unfairly targeted/treated by cops. I also think a legitimate argument can be made that whites and black alike place less value on black lives. But in this particular case, none of this results in a dead teenager if that teenage doesn't behave like a thug and attack a cop. That's the part Brown had control over - his own conduct.
The bolded portion of this post is just utterly hilarious bullshit and you know it. I have never in my life heard anyone worth listening to, that black people can't be racist against white people. That is comically dumb, and an unnecessary diversion to the conversation you are attempting to have. I've heard that once in my life and it was Kevin telling Julie that on the first season of the real world, since then he's said he was wrong about that.
Why, when talking about race, can't you just say that racism exists, it's prevalent, and white privilege is real? Your second paragraph starts to address it but then it is parsed and suddenly jumps back into Brown being a thug. Your post reads like, "yeah there's racism and it isn't right, but racism won't stop until they can stop being thugs."
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Guys, people are free to be racists.
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Do you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."
This is a great point. I've mentioned a couple times how there is no one officially tracking cops killing people. There's this unofficial site that started last May that has found almost 1500 (which averages to about 1100/year).
https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/
good for the people of Ferguson for drawing attention to this.
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I am glad that the militarization of the police in this country is being discussed at the highest levels now. I fully agree that police should have powerful weapons but those weapons need only be brought out when facing the most dangerous of criminals and only operated by the most highly trained and competently led personnel . . . which includes psychological stability. Just to many Baney Fife's with a bullet chomping at the bit to play with their new toys.
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off duty cop walks up to kid in car with his gun drawn, kid takes off, he guns him down, no charges.
http://abc13.com/news/navasota-officer-wont-face-charges-for-fatally-shooting-teen/281936/
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off duty cop walks up to kid in car with his gun drawn, kid takes off, he guns him down, no charges.
http://abc13.com/news/navasota-officer-wont-face-charges-for-fatally-shooting-teen/281936/
I was going to say that getting off is much easier when you kill the witness but nope, there was someone in the car with him. :sdeek:
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I am glad that the militarization of the police in this country is being discussed at the highest levels now. I fully agree that police should have powerful weapons but those weapons need only be brought out when facing the most dangerous of criminals and only operated by the most highly trained and competently led personnel . . . which includes psychological stability. Just to many Baney Fife's with a bullet chomping at the bit to play with their new toys.
100% truth.
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off duty cop walks up to kid in car with his gun drawn, kid takes off, he guns him down, no charges.
http://abc13.com/news/navasota-officer-wont-face-charges-for-fatally-shooting-teen/281936/
Off Duty Cop, with a premise similar to what sounds like happened here, would be a very popular video game.
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I mean, it could basically be like the Grand Theft Auto games but without ever being chased by the police.
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I am glad that the militarization of the police in this country is being discussed at the highest levels now. I fully agree that police should have powerful weapons but those weapons need only be brought out when facing the most dangerous of criminals and only operated by the most highly trained and competently led personnel . . . which includes psychological stability. Just to many Baney Fife's with a bullet chomping at the bit to play with their new toys.
Yeah, SWAT used to be a special unit with highly trained, best of the best, officers. Now they just throw the stuff to any local beat cop and call it good.
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I mean, it could basically be like the Grand Theft Auto games but without ever being chased by the police.
no negative consequences
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
I think people were referencing the fact that the Ferguson police rolled a moron perched atop a bearcat with a sniper rifle.
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
I think people were referencing the fact that the Ferguson police rolled a moron perched atop a bearcat with a sniper rifle.
Did he kill anyone? I missed it if he did.
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
I think people were referencing the fact that the Ferguson police rolled a moron perched atop a bearcat with a sniper rifle.
Did he kill anyone? I missed it if he did.
No.
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Well, okay then. I'm fine with sniper rifles or whatever, they're basically the same as hunting rifles. I'll admit I don't like the big armored vehicles, but mostly because they seem like a waste of money. And obviously if a police force is putting it's officers on the streets with deadly weapons everyday it would behoove them to mitigate risk by regularly verifying their mental state (they probably do?), and mandating frequent training (I'm sure they do).
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The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs, not go up against guys with body armor and machine guns. They are conducting no knock raids daily. And the idea that small town cops need a swat is laughable.
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Well, okay then. I'm fine with sniper rifles or whatever, they're basically the same as hunting rifles. I'll admit I don't like the big armored vehicles, but mostly because they seem like a waste of money. And obviously if a police force is putting it's officers on the streets with deadly weapons everyday it would behoove them to mitigate risk by regularly verifying their mental state (they probably do?), and mandating frequent training (I'm sure they do).
This is actually one of the biggest complaints with the military grade equipment. There is not currently any requirement by the grants that are providing this gear that the local police provide any training, just that they use the equipment within a year.
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I am fine with them having said sniper rifle. not ok with it being pointed at a non violent demonstration. I mean, if a cop walked up to my car with his pistol out and aimed at me to initiate a traffic stop, it would it matter even if I didn't end up getting shot.
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Load up on guns, bring your friends. Cops know they won't face any consequences for shooting people.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcloudfront-media.reason.com%2Fmc%2F2014_08%2Fwaronthestreets_swat.png%3Fh%3D2053%26amp%3Bw%3D482&hash=e83065dc7d182cb4c4844c21edf99aeeb9b29033)
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The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs, not go up against guys with body armor and machine guns. They are conducting no knock raids daily. And the idea that small town cops need a swat is laughable.
The danger of no knock raids for both police and drug dealers seems to clearly outweigh any possible advantage to serving the warrant with a knock.
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The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs
That's risk mitigation, so what?
They are conducting no knock raids daily.
Well ya that's not cool.
And the idea that small town cops need a swat is laughable.
Generally speaking I agree.
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Do you guys think the NASA SWAT team has laser beams?
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Well, okay then. I'm fine with sniper rifles or whatever, they're basically the same as hunting rifles. I'll admit I don't like the big armored vehicles, but mostly because they seem like a waste of money. And obviously if a police force is putting it's officers on the streets with deadly weapons everyday it would behoove them to mitigate risk by regularly verifying their mental state (they probably do?), and mandating frequent training (I'm sure they do).
This is actually one of the biggest complaints with the military grade equipment. There is not currently any requirement by the grants that are providing this gear that the local police provide any training, just that they use the equipment within a year.
That is concerning.
At least in Joco I witness local cops training with military style equipment all the time. Of course I can't say if it's adequate or not, but they go through a crap ton of ammo.
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The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs
That's risk mitigation, so what?
http://www.wsvn.com/story/26228053/swat-raid-that-left-2-children-hurt-investigated (http://www.wsvn.com/story/26228053/swat-raid-that-left-2-children-hurt-investigated)
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I am fine with them having said sniper rifle. not ok with it being pointed at a non violent demonstration. I mean, if a cop walked up to my car with his pistol out and aimed at me to initiate a traffic stop, it would it matter even if I didn't end up getting shot.
Agree.
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The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs
That's risk mitigation, so what?
http://www.wsvn.com/story/26228053/swat-raid-that-left-2-children-hurt-investigated (http://www.wsvn.com/story/26228053/swat-raid-that-left-2-children-hurt-investigated)
1) That's Miami. Not a small town. Probably one of the most dangerous municipalities in the US.
2) The kids weren't shot, they were beaten (right or wrong). Same could have been done with a billy club or whatever they call it. This is a poor example to cite.
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Yeah those little bastards had it coming
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It's not like they went in spraying. :dunno: It really is a poor example to cite based on the argument you're trying (failing) to make.
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/ (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/)
How's this example. Swat/No Knock Raids have no reason to be used in drug searches.
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/ (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/)
How's this example. Swat/No Knock Raids have no reason to be used in drug searches.
:sdeek:
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That's a much better (pretty mumped up) example. :cheers: I agree they shouldn't toss a flash bang into a room with young children. :D
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Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
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Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
That is refreshing MC.
I like this quote:
"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
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"Let's say you have neighbors complaining about a drug house on the corner," he says. "They don't feel safe. It's a menace. Now, you could do a long investigation, culminating in a big raid. But in the meantime, the neighbors still have to live with the menace. Why not just send two uniformed cops to the house that same afternoon? They knock. They say, 'Hey. Knock it off.' The drug dealers pick up and leave. No guns drawn, no raid. Which approach will have a more immediate effect on the neighborhood?"
He adds that the latter approach is also less likely to get someone killed -- whether a cop, a drug suspect or a bystander.
Burbank worries that police today get too much training in how to use different types of force, but too little training in conflict resolution.
I like this dude.
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Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
That is refreshing MC.
I like this quote:
"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
Wait wait wait, so the cops show up in riot gear, the citizens throw rocks at them, and it's the polices' fault? :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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Do you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."
This is a great point. I've mentioned a couple times how there is no one officially tracking cops killing people. There's this unofficial site that started last May that has found almost 1500 (which averages to about 1100/year).
https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/
good for the people of Ferguson for drawing attention to this.
pffft, the Bada Bing thread on Shaggybevo has been cataloging these cases for years - any thread title with Bernard in it is a situation like this. Bernard is/was a poster that had a lot in common with sys w/regard to the police.
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Which escalates a situation more, showing up with tanks and guns drawn, or a more reasonable approach?
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Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
That is refreshing MC.
I like this quote:
"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
Wait wait wait, so the cops show up in riot gear, the citizens throw rocks at them, and it's the polices' fault? :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
I think the point is that there are ways to defuse the situations and prevent violence, and showing up looking like a bunch of storm troopers isn't one of them.
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Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.html
http://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
That is refreshing MC.
I like this quote:
"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
Wait wait wait, so the cops show up in riot gear, the citizens throw rocks at them, and it's the polices' fault? :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
yeah because that's totally what he said.
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the pro gun, anti militarized police state people are as confused by all this as the racists who also hate the police
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
What if they shot your neighbor and then told you to deal with it?
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
What if their guns are pointed at you while you are peacefully assembled with a group of like-minded people?
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In my limited experience, most small town mayors are complete dumbasses.
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A couple weeks ago, Chicago had snipers set up on downtown buildings because an Israel-Palestine related protest was scheduled... What the eff is that all about?
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A couple weeks ago, Chicago had snipers set up on downtown buildings because an Israel-Palestine related protest was scheduled... What the eff is that all about?
An ounce of sniper riffles is worth a pound of racial tension.
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
What if they shot your neighbor and then told you to deal with it?
Then I'd move. I sure as crap wouldn't escalate the violence.
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no one is buying the house next to where ppl get shot by cops all willy nilly, tho.
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
What if their guns are pointed at you while you are peacefully assembled with a group of like-minded people?
I'd go home. Not worth getting shot over. I mean I'd probably take some cell phone pics or whatever and try to get them distributed. Again call mayor, complain, and move if I have to.
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
Also, I looked this up and 2 people died. (the shooters). So what a dumb rough ridin' reason to militarize cops.
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I'm going to make a point I hate to make, but many of you are (perhaps) overlooking...
The impetus for police forces arming themselves was that North Hollywood shootout back in 1997. LAPD had to "loot" local gun shops to access firearms powerful enough to confront two heavily armed and armored bank robbers. After that incident every LAPD cruiser was fitted with M-16's in the trunk, and other police forces followed suit. If police are going to be asked to confront dangerous people armed with military style weapons, then they must also be similarly armed. I agree that they should be trained to use them, for sure. But, also, in all of the links posted (that I looked at) officers killed someone using their service pistol, not military style weaponry.
Also, I looked this up and 2 people died. (the shooters). So what a dumb rough ridin' reason to militarize cops.
Well that's California for ya. Bleeding edge. :ROFL:
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attn Steve Dave
http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_xldcnjtz/ (http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_xldcnjtz/)
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
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Just saw this posted on FB:
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ottawa-police-shoot-unarmed-teen-16-times-family-begs/#kJrzpjdys589r6pm.99
Long gone are the days of your friendly neighborhood cop showing up to talk a person down who has hit a low point in life. Now the mentally ill are seemingly serving as target practice for these heavily militarized police forces across the country.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ottawa-police-shoot-unarmed-teen-16-times-family-begs/#GVsTWPy3xQ61OK6V.99
It's just stupid writing. There are no details released about the shooting, which was likely with service pistols, not military style weapons.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/ (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/)
How's this example. Swat/No Knock Raids have no reason to be used in drug searches.
Seems to be two issues really. They don't have to throw explosive or incendiary devices into homes to conduct no knock warrants. So issue one is don't use grenades and then issue two would be should they knock.
Also there is a reason to conduct them and that is obviously that if given the chance drug dealers do try very, very hard to dispose of the drugs before the police find them.
I can understand the position that it isn't worth the risk of harm to everyone, but to say they don't have a reason is incorrect.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
I agree it's related. I think we ought to look more at statistics though (so I need to go back and look at that graphic posted earlier). We live in a big populous country, and bad crap is going to happen pretty much err day even in a perfect world. I hate these knee-jerky reactions people have whenever something newsworthy happens.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
It wasn't initially. It's just that when people start to notice how often that actually occurs they start to become uncomfortable with the notion that those same police officers have even bigger guns and body armor and tanks at their disposal.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
I agree it's related. I think we ought to look more at statistics though (so I need to go back and look at that graphic posted earlier). We live in a big populous country, and bad crap is going to happen pretty much err day even in a perfect world. I hate these knee-jerky reactions people have whenever something newsworthy happens.
like when you tried to justify nationwide militarization of police based on a shooting that ended with only the criminals being killed?
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But in all seriousness, we have been looking at stats available. The stats show that US cops kill shitloads of people every year. And the UK police fired their weapons something like three times last year. Stats.
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Were the guns and armor and stuff that LA guy(s) used legal to own?
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
I agree it's related. I think we ought to look more at statistics though (so I need to go back and look at that graphic posted earlier). We live in a big populous country, and bad crap is going to happen pretty much err day even in a perfect world. I hate these knee-jerky reactions people have whenever something newsworthy happens.
like when you tried to justify nationwide militarization of police based on a shooting that ended with only the criminals being killed?
I wasn't justifying it, just explaining that's why it happened. Isolated incident aside, citizens do have a crap ton of military style weapons though, so I think it's okay for cops to have some, too.
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Were the guns and armor and stuff that LA guy(s) used legal to own?
I think some yes and some no. Obviously they weren't hard to get, anyway.
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Were the guns and armor and stuff that LA guy(s) used legal to own?
I think some yes and some no. Obviously they weren't hard to get, anyway.
Well I think one guy was technically a felon so he shouldn't have been possessing any weapons anyway.
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Were the guns and armor and stuff that LA guy(s) used legal to own?
Legally for purchase (if you aren't a felon like he was), illegally modified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
It was speculated that Phillips had legally purchased two of the AK-47s and then illegally converted them to full automatic. However, as Phillips was a convicted felon it was not possible for him to legally purchase firearms.[15][30][31]
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
I feel my attention is adequately focused on both. Or more accurately, I'll treat them equally, (as in do nothing but talk about it). But I agree that the use of excessive force is a bigger problem.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
I feel my attention is adequately focused on both. Or more accurately, I'll treat them equally, (as in do nothing but talk about it). But I agree that the use of excessive force is a bigger problem.
There would't be investgations and such without the attention.
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I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
What if their guns are pointed at you while you are peacefully assembled with a group of like-minded people?
I'd go home. Not worth getting shot over. I mean I'd probably take some cell phone pics or whatever and try to get them distributed. Again call mayor, complain, and move if I have to.
The lie down and take it crowd.
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Are the crackers out looting and burning crap down yet protesting the marine being beat? Rumblings that Holder and Obama have personally called to congratulate this group of great American heroes.
Why do these pussies always have to get like 8 people to attack one pasty ass cracker :lol:
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lol
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lol
You don't know how hard and fast I clicked this thread when I saw life posted in it again
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
I feel my attention is adequately focused on both. Or more accurately, I'll treat them equally, (as in do nothing but talk about it). But I agree that the use of excessive force is a bigger problem.
There would't be investgations and such without the attention.
Well, this is going to be like the tenth time I've mentioned that no one in the US accurately knows how many people cops kill every year (other than some guy on shaggy bevo), so I hope that gets someone started on that. Like, to start I think any department that wants any money should have to report how many people their officers kill annually.
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FFS, I didn't say give the cops a pew-pew Barney Fife pistol.
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FFS, I didn't say give the cops a pew-pew Barney Fife pistol.
No one is saying that. But they don't need MRAPs
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
I feel my attention is adequately focused on both. Or more accurately, I'll treat them equally, (as in do nothing but talk about it). But I agree that the use of excessive force is a bigger problem.
There would't be investgations and such without the attention.
Well, this is going to be like the tenth time I've mentioned that no one in the US accurately knows how many people cops kill every year (other than some guy on shaggy bevo), so I hope that gets someone started on that. Like, to start I think any department that wants any money should have to report how many people their officers kill annually.
Yeah, the voluntary reporting is insane.
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I agree with EMO that the subject largely got changed from police using excessive force and shooting people to police equipment, which don't seem all that closely related.
It was closely related in Ferguson. And I think it's closely related overall because it deals with two big problems with law enforcement in the country that probably need widespread change.
They're two different problems with two different solutions. Focusing on the latter, more tangible, easier to fix problem takes attention away from the former, which seems like a much worse problem to me.
I feel my attention is adequately focused on both. Or more accurately, I'll treat them equally, (as in do nothing but talk about it). But I agree that the use of excessive force is a bigger problem.
There would't be investgations and such without the attention.
Well, this is going to be like the tenth time I've mentioned that no one in the US accurately knows how many people cops kill every year (other than some guy on shaggy bevo), so I hope that gets someone started on that. Like, to start I think any department that wants any money should have to report how many people their officers kill annually.
What I'm saying is that this is less likely due to attention being diverted to military equipment. There is a finite amount of attention that these people are able to give.
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Is the "I hate cops" crowd the gen-y version of the gen-x's "I hate corporations" crowd. Because they seem to be equally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Also FWIW cops have been well armed and too aggressive for a loooooong time. Since the 1800's at least.
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Do you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."
I'm going to get all foxnews-y for a second.....are we going to talk about stuff like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734860/Ex-Marine-left-brain-injury-pal-told-Waffle-House-wasn-t-safe-following-Ferguson-case-attacked-mob-20-people-parking-lot.html
I can't believe I'm engaging you again, this won't end well. Anyway, two questions;
1. What is there for "we" to talk about? I don't think anyone is going to make excuses for this man being beaten. No one made excuses for looting in Ferguson, no one will make excuses for me driving 20 MPH over the speed limit earlier today. Plenty of excuses given though for a cop shooting an unarmed citizen though.
2. Why are you posting that in here, it has nothing to do what we're talking about. Is this now a catch-all-thread for crime? Is this a plea for whites who are victim of crime to get equal billing? I'm reading you placing this link here like you did, with whatever getting all foxnews-y means, essentially the same thing as saying this
I'd complain about a double-standard in the media when it comes to allegations of racism, but why bother? There's a lot of libtards out there that don't believe black against white prejudice meets the definition of "racism." Whatever, arguing that point is futile.
This whole thread has become a nauseating bitchfest about perceived racism. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that sometimes black people are unfairly targeted/treated by cops. I also think a legitimate argument can be made that whites and black alike place less value on black lives. But in this particular case, none of this results in a dead teenager if that teenage doesn't behave like a thug and attack a cop. That's the part Brown had control over - his own conduct.
The bolded portion of this post is just utterly hilarious bullshit and you know it. I have never in my life heard anyone worth listening to, that black people can't be racist against white people. That is comically dumb, and an unnecessary diversion to the conversation you are attempting to have. I've heard that once in my life and it was Kevin telling Julie that on the first season of the real world, since then he's said he was wrong about that.
Why, when talking about race, can't you just say that racism exists, it's prevalent, and white privilege is real? Your second paragraph starts to address it but then it is parsed and suddenly jumps back into Brown being a thug. Your post reads like, "yeah there's racism and it isn't right, but racism won't stop until they can stop being thugs."
Much projection
Your number one is...well, I'm not sure what it supposed to be. Your number one completely misses the point of the post, that race is a complex issue in American society and impacts all sectors. You attempt to obscure that by making a quip about oh is this a crime catch all thread? when its clearly not placed in that context. Your second is just false on face. This thread doesn't pertain to race and policing? It doesn't pertain to race and media coverage? It doesn't pertain to race reactions and how narratives are constructed? I guess you missed the part where you were dropping N bombs to make a point about race.....which now isn't an issue in this thread. Now its nice that pretty much everyone agrees that police have been using heavy handed tactics and *some* of their tech and use isn't appropriate in certain places, specifically public protests. But a large part of this thread has been about racial constructions in the United States. That construction is influenced by the media, the police, police interactions with the community, and a number of other factors. You dismiss KSUW's point about personal responsibility with the same deflection used to obscure real, critical, evaluations of race in the U.S. Yes there are real issues with white privilege which a large part of America ignores or simply doesn't believe in (note the foxnews-y point here.). But that doesn't we shouldn't point out directly related race issues and we shouldn't ignore or dismiss them them because it makes people uncomfortable or hurts their agenda. So no, the post isn't about whites getting "equal billing" its about people ignoring racism in all of America's policing, how the media displays or distorts a story, and the failure of our society to say this is wrong on face, without putting a racial qualifier on an incident as you did.
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http://assholeoftheday.us/post/95932570845/bill-oreilly-bad person-of-the-day-for-august-27
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http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off?xrs=synd_facebook_082714_tds_16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQDvYOt_iA :D
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Your number one is...well, I'm not sure what it supposed to be. Your number one completely misses the point of the post, that race is a complex issue in American society and impacts all sectors. You attempt to obscure that by making a quip about oh is this a crime catch all thread? when its clearly not placed in that context. Your second is just false on face. This thread doesn't pertain to race and policing? It doesn't pertain to race and media coverage? It doesn't pertain to race reactions and how narratives are constructed? I guess you missed the part where you were dropping N bombs to make a point about race.....which now isn't an issue in this thread. Now its nice that pretty much everyone agrees that police have been using heavy handed tactics and *some* of their tech and use isn't appropriate in certain places, specifically public protests. But a large part of this thread has been about racial constructions in the United States. That construction is influenced by the media, the police, police interactions with the community, and a number of other factors. You dismiss KSUW's point about personal responsibility with the same deflection used to obscure real, critical, evaluations of race in the U.S. Yes there are real issues with white privilege which a large part of America ignores or simply doesn't believe in (note the foxnews-y point here.). But that doesn't we shouldn't point out directly related race issues and we shouldn't ignore or dismiss them them because it makes people uncomfortable or hurts their agenda. So no, the post isn't about whites getting "equal billing" its about people ignoring racism in all of America's policing, how the media displays or distorts a story, and the failure of our society to say this is wrong on face, without putting a racial qualifier on an incident as you did.
So your problem is that the media doesn't equally report that black people are racist too? Isn't the link you posted about a white dude getting beat up from the media? I randomly saw a Reginald Denny video on CNN Tuesday. The mass media doesn't routinely report about black people being racist because that is a conversation about an individual or a small group or individuals being racist. When race gets interjected into a national story it is about an institution or a system that may or may not be racist. Frankly there's no institutional racism harming white people. If the media reported with zeal every time someone got beaten up by a racist or racists that would be all that we talk about because it happens everyday.
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Your number one is...well, I'm not sure what it supposed to be. Your number one completely misses the point of the post, that race is a complex issue in American society and impacts all sectors. You attempt to obscure that by making a quip about oh is this a crime catch all thread? when its clearly not placed in that context. Your second is just false on face. This thread doesn't pertain to race and policing? It doesn't pertain to race and media coverage? It doesn't pertain to race reactions and how narratives are constructed? I guess you missed the part where you were dropping N bombs to make a point about race.....which now isn't an issue in this thread. Now its nice that pretty much everyone agrees that police have been using heavy handed tactics and *some* of their tech and use isn't appropriate in certain places, specifically public protests. But a large part of this thread has been about racial constructions in the United States. That construction is influenced by the media, the police, police interactions with the community, and a number of other factors. You dismiss KSUW's point about personal responsibility with the same deflection used to obscure real, critical, evaluations of race in the U.S. Yes there are real issues with white privilege which a large part of America ignores or simply doesn't believe in (note the foxnews-y point here.). But that doesn't we shouldn't point out directly related race issues and we shouldn't ignore or dismiss them them because it makes people uncomfortable or hurts their agenda. So no, the post isn't about whites getting "equal billing" its about people ignoring racism in all of America's policing, how the media displays or distorts a story, and the failure of our society to say this is wrong on face, without putting a racial qualifier on an incident as you did.
So your problem is that the media doesn't equally report that black people are racist too? Isn't the link you posted about a white dude getting beat up from the media? I randomly saw a Reginald Denny video on CNN Tuesday. The mass media doesn't routinely report about black people being racist because that is a conversation about an individual or a small group or individuals being racist. When race gets interjected into a national story it is about an institution or a system that may or may not be racist. Frankly there's no institutional racism harming white people. If the media reported with zeal every time someone got beaten up by a racist or racists that would be all that we talk about because it happens everyday.
People have argued that affirmative action harms white people.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
Elizabeth Warren had to lie about her race to get into Harvard.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
I'm fine with this. We crap on their people for years and still kind of do so if it's a tie or even if the black guy is merely competent I say give it to the black guy.
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Your number one is...well, I'm not sure what it supposed to be. Your number one completely misses the point of the post, that race is a complex issue in American society and impacts all sectors. You attempt to obscure that by making a quip about oh is this a crime catch all thread? when its clearly not placed in that context. Your second is just false on face. This thread doesn't pertain to race and policing? It doesn't pertain to race and media coverage? It doesn't pertain to race reactions and how narratives are constructed? I guess you missed the part where you were dropping N bombs to make a point about race.....which now isn't an issue in this thread. Now its nice that pretty much everyone agrees that police have been using heavy handed tactics and *some* of their tech and use isn't appropriate in certain places, specifically public protests. But a large part of this thread has been about racial constructions in the United States. That construction is influenced by the media, the police, police interactions with the community, and a number of other factors. You dismiss KSUW's point about personal responsibility with the same deflection used to obscure real, critical, evaluations of race in the U.S. Yes there are real issues with white privilege which a large part of America ignores or simply doesn't believe in (note the foxnews-y point here.). But that doesn't we shouldn't point out directly related race issues and we shouldn't ignore or dismiss them them because it makes people uncomfortable or hurts their agenda. So no, the post isn't about whites getting "equal billing" its about people ignoring racism in all of America's policing, how the media displays or distorts a story, and the failure of our society to say this is wrong on face, without putting a racial qualifier on an incident as you did.
So your problem is that the media doesn't equally report that black people are racist too? Isn't the link you posted about a white dude getting beat up from the media? I randomly saw a Reginald Denny video on CNN Tuesday. The mass media doesn't routinely report about black people being racist because that is a conversation about an individual or a small group or individuals being racist. When race gets interjected into a national story it is about an institution or a system that may or may not be racist. Frankly there's no institutional racism harming white people. If the media reported with zeal every time someone got beaten up by a racist or racists that would be all that we talk about because it happens everyday.
I think part of my issue is that we need to watch and see how race is being socially constructed in America. That construction occurs from many parts of society, I think we all agree to that. I think we need to recognize all of racism, whether it be a black on white hate crime or white privileged. I think we need to talk about race a lot so jackasses like Bill O don't get away with saying white privilege doesn't exist and so that old white affluent foxnews viewers feel uncomfortable because their segment of society is built on the backs of so many others.
To the point about institutional racism hurting white, yes its few and far between, but does occur. But having real racism institutionalized until the 80s, I have no problem with a finger of some kind on the scales, but we should recognize it does have a negative impact on some (rather than a wholesale group.).
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
I'm fine with this. We crap on their people for years and still kind of do so if it's a tie or even if the black guy is merely competent I say give it to the black guy.
For every job out there or just firefighters?
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
I'm fine with this. We crap on their people for years and still kind of do so if it's a tie or even if the black guy is merely competent I say give it to the black guy.
For every job out there or just firefighters?
It definitely depends on the job. But I think there are other examples of jobs that are overwhelmed with qualified applicants that would all perform equally well given the opportunity.
I know there was a study on the performance of black applicants admitted to Michigan Law school, I believe, that were qualified for admittance but likely would have been denied if they had been white. The black students performed just as well as the "more qualified" white applicants. I'm away from a computer or I'd look it up for you.
But firefighters are a perfect example. It's overflowing with qualified applicants who could all perform the job equally well - give a black guy the job if he's qualified.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
I'm fine with this. We crap on their people for years and still kind of do so if it's a tie or even if the black guy is merely competent I say give it to the black guy.
Yeah and I think most of the time, this isn't how it works anyway. Plus like I said, the white dude just went and worked somewhere else
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Well "we" just crossed the border we aren't responsible for your gringo crimes. :shakesfist:
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
Elizabeth Warren had to lie about her race to get into Harvard.
That isn't true at all.
To the larger point about affirmative action; CF3's buddy didn't not get the job because they had to hire black guys, if what RAtM said about Warren were true it isn't because of native americans. I'm sure that firehouse still has an overwhelming majority of white firefighters, I know that a majority of Harvard students are white. Affirmative Action programs simply put safeguards in place to make sure that underrepresented groups are getting a fair shake. There are no cases of affirmative action forcing universities or employers to take underqualified minorities in lieu of qualified whites, that's illegal. Saying "I would have gotten that if they didn't give it to that equally qualified mexican" isn't institutional racism, it's like the opposite.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
Elizabeth Warren had to lie about her race to get into Harvard.
That isn't true at all.
To the larger point about affirmative action; CF3's buddy didn't not get the job because they had to hire black guys, if what RAtM said about Warren were true it isn't because of native americans. I'm sure that firehouse still has an overwhelming majority of white firefighters, I know that a majority of Harvard students are white. Affirmative Action programs simply put safeguards in place to make sure that underrepresented groups are getting a fair shake. There are no cases of affirmative action forcing universities or employers to take underqualified minorities in lieu of qualified whites, that's illegal. Saying "I would have gotten that if they didn't give it to that equally qualified mexican" isn't institutional racism, it's like the opposite.
Sorry, it should have said "get a job at Harvard." It's true that she might have gotten the job if she had not lied about her race, but it's doubtful she believed that. Otherwise, why lie about her race?
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its true that i did not lie about my race and i did not get into harvard
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My grandpa has said something about there being some Indian blood in my family, so if I were applying for a job at Harvard, I would check the Native American box. I mean, I want to give myself every advantage.
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My buddy who's half Mexican, last name is similar to like Rodriguez or something, applying to firms after law school, is the whitest looking half Mexican you've ever seen. Anyway he applies to some top firm and to his surprise gets an interview. They pretty much in-and-outed him after they saw how white he looked. :lol:
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There are no cases of affirmative action forcing universities or employers to take underqualified minorities in lieu of qualified whites, that's illegal.
Universities aren't legally forced to take a quota of minorities or anything. But on their own, they do take minorities who, relative to white counterparts, are underqualified. They do this to create a diverse learning environment.
I think the "diverse learning environment" rationale is bogus. But at least in law school admissions, I have no problem with the system on the grounds that facilitating minorities to become well-educated attorneys is an important end.
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I know there was a study on the performance of black applicants admitted to Michigan Law school, I believe, that were qualified for admittance but likely would have been denied if they had been white. The black students performed just as well as the "more qualified" white applicants. I'm away from a computer or I'd look it up for you.
I searched for that and I found this Stanford Law Review guy. I couldn't find yours. You might be aware of him. I hadn't really ever looked into it.
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/rubinfeldd/SanderFINAL.pdf (http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/rubinfeldd/SanderFINAL.pdf)
Black students as a whole are at a substantial academic disadvantage when they attend schools that used preferences to admit them. As a consequence, they perform poorly as a group throughout law school. The median GPA of all black students at the end of the first year of law school lies roughly at the sixth percentile of the white grade distribution. Put differently, close to half of black students end up in the bottom tenth of their classes. This performance gap is entirely attributable to preferences; none of it seems to be attributable to race per se.
The clustering of black students near the bottom of the grade distribution produces substantially higher attrition rates. Entering black law students are 135% more likely than white students to not get a law degree. Part of this is the effect of low grades on academically strong black students who would have easily graduated from less competitive schools; part of this is the effect of high attrition among the five or six hundred academically weak black students admitted to the low-prestige law schools. But again, virtually all of the black-white gap seems attributable to preferences; virtually none of it seems attributable to race or to any correlate of race (such as income).
Generally low grades among blacks have even larger effects on bar performance. Blacks are nearly six times as likely as whites to not pass state bar exams after multiple attempts (blacks in this cohort were four times as likely to fail on their first attempt as whites). The difference, again, is mostly attributable to preferences. Half of the black-white bar passage gap is traceable to the effects of blacks with good credentials getting low grades at higher-prestige schools; nearly a quarter is due to low-prestige schools admitting blacks with lower credentials than almost any of the other students in the system.
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I know there was a study on the performance of black applicants admitted to Michigan Law school, I believe, that were qualified for admittance but likely would have been denied if they had been white. The black students performed just as well as the "more qualified" white applicants. I'm away from a computer or I'd look it up for you.
I searched for that and I found this Stanford Law Review guy. I couldn't find yours. You might be aware of him. I hadn't really ever looked into it.
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/rubinfeldd/SanderFINAL.pdf (http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/rubinfeldd/SanderFINAL.pdf)
Black students as a whole are at a substantial academic disadvantage when they attend schools that used preferences to admit them. As a consequence, they perform poorly as a group throughout law school. The median GPA of all black students at the end of the first year of law school lies roughly at the sixth percentile of the white grade distribution. Put differently, close to half of black students end up in the bottom tenth of their classes. This performance gap is entirely attributable to preferences; none of it seems to be attributable to race per se.
The clustering of black students near the bottom of the grade distribution produces substantially higher attrition rates. Entering black law students are 135% more likely than white students to not get a law degree. Part of this is the effect of low grades on academically strong black students who would have easily graduated from less competitive schools; part of this is the effect of high attrition among the five or six hundred academically weak black students admitted to the low-prestige law schools. But again, virtually all of the black-white gap seems attributable to preferences; virtually none of it seems attributable to race or to any correlate of race (such as income).
Generally low grades among blacks have even larger effects on bar performance. Blacks are nearly six times as likely as whites to not pass state bar exams after multiple attempts (blacks in this cohort were four times as likely to fail on their first attempt as whites). The difference, again, is mostly attributable to preferences. Half of the black-white bar passage gap is traceable to the effects of blacks with good credentials getting low grades at higher-prestige schools; nearly a quarter is due to low-prestige schools admitting blacks with lower credentials than almost any of the other students in the system.
Yeah, I went back and looked and that study I mentioned was cited in a Gladwell book (Outliers). I'd look for the study, but I'm kinda busy right now. So I may want to pump the brakes for now since I generally think Gladwell is full of crap.
In probably one of the best validations of affirmative action, he talks about a study in which law students accepted to the University of Michigan through affirmative action got lower grades while in school, yet, when the students were evaluated later in life, (in Gladwell's words, "the only metric that counts") they were equally as successful as their supposedly smarter counterparts. Disadvantaged students may not start out at the same level as their culturally advantaged counterparts, but they are just as likely to succeed once given the opportunity to do so.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/09/17/902625/-Book-Report-How-Malcolm-Gladwell-s-OUTLIERS-Validates-the-Values-We-Hold-Most-Dear
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:'bye cruel world:
My grandpa has said something about there being some Indian blood in my family, so if I were applying for a job at Harvard, I would check the Native American box. I mean, I want to give myself every advantage.
Do you have high cheekbones? Gotta have high cheekbones for that to work.
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Only time I've ever heard of institutional racism hurting a white person I knew in real life was when a dude was trying to become a firefighter, and they were hiring black guys ahead of him because the dept. wanted more diversity. Then he went and got another job and was fine anyway. I'm sure there's some, but I've never really seen or experienced it like, ever.
Elizabeth Warren had to lie about her race to get into Harvard.
That isn't true at all.
To the larger point about affirmative action; CF3's buddy didn't not get the job because they had to hire black guys, if what RAtM said about Warren were true it isn't because of native americans. I'm sure that firehouse still has an overwhelming majority of white firefighters, I know that a majority of Harvard students are white. Affirmative Action programs simply put safeguards in place to make sure that underrepresented groups are getting a fair shake. There are no cases of affirmative action forcing universities or employers to take underqualified minorities in lieu of qualified whites, that's illegal. Saying "I would have gotten that if they didn't give it to that equally qualified mexican" isn't institutional racism, it's like the opposite.
Sorry, it should have said "get a job at Harvard." It's true that she might have gotten the job if she had not lied about her race, but it's doubtful she believed that. Otherwise, why lie about her race?
But it wasn't proven that she lied about her race. She said she thought she was Cherokee because her mother told her that she was. It is not at all for Oklahoma natives to have native lineage that they lost touch with. I was told that my grandfather was Cherokee, and I thought so for years. A couple of years ago I started a project to find out what my lineage is because all four of my grandparents died either before I was born or when I was very young. What I found out was that my grandfather wasn't Cherokee, but was Muscogee Creek (Carrie Underwood is also Muscogee but her family is from a different nation than mine). Anyway I'm inclined to believe her because in Oklahoma her story isn't at all unusual.
:'bye cruel world:My grandpa has said something about there being some Indian blood in my family, so if I were applying for a job at Harvard, I would check the Native American box. I mean, I want to give myself every advantage.
Do you have high cheekbones? Gotta have high cheekbones for that to work.
hur hur hur
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What I found out was that my grandfather wasn't Cherokee, but was Muscogee Creek (Carrie Underwood is also Muscogee but her family is from a different nation than mine). Anyway I'm inclined to believe her because in Oklahoma her story isn't at all unusual.
I really enjoyed this.
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I'm going to uppercut punch the next bad person who talks bad about Elizabeth Warren.
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What I found out was that my grandfather wasn't Cherokee, but was Muscogee Creek (Carrie Underwood is also Muscogee but her family is from a different nation than mine). Anyway I'm inclined to believe her because in Oklahoma her story isn't at all unusual.
I really enjoyed this.
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I shouldn't have said different nations, but jurisdiction would have been misleading. Reservation would have been less confusing but native tribes in Oklahoma don't have reservations.
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I'm going to uppercut punch the next bad person who talks bad about Elizabeth Warren.
Who talked bad about her?
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/29/minnesota_taser_video_christopher_lollie_of_st_paul_tased_in_front_of_children.html
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/29/minnesota_taser_video_christopher_lollie_of_st_paul_tased_in_front_of_children.html
Reminds me of the dude who was arrested in the Israel/Pal protest at a mall because the private security personnel escalated the situation. Clearly we need some sort of mechanism to deal with that aspect, you shouldn't have to ID yourself to a rough ridin' rent a cop. And it would be nice to have some sort of citizens arrest for abusive cops.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/29/minnesota_taser_video_christopher_lollie_of_st_paul_tased_in_front_of_children.html
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I would have shown them my ID.
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Did anyone see this? I had some facebook friends pretty pumped up about it.
http://youngcons.com/explosive-new-lawsuit-filed-in-st-louis-claims-michael-brown-was-a-suspect-for-second-degree/
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I would have shown them my ID.
You wouldn't have been asked to show ID or even talked to at all.
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cRusty's school of dealing with law enforcement in 'Merica: Free White Paper on overhaulin law enforcement
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I would have shown them my ID.
You wouldn't have been asked to show ID or even talked to at all.
It would obviously depend on the skin color of the cop, no doubt about it.
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
Because he wouldn't be frustrated by constantly being hassled by the police. How one deals with police officers likely has something to do with past experiences. If you don't have a frame of reference for dealing with hostile cops you're likely to view the request as basic and will comply. John Doug needs to understand that not everyone has the relationship with the police that he does.
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
Because he wouldn't be frustrated by constantly being hassled by the police. How one deals with police officers likely has something to do with past experiences. If you don't have a frame of reference for dealing with hostile cops you're likely to view the request as basic and will comply. John Doug needs to understand that not everyone has the relationship with the police that he does.
yeah, I have seen incredible rants on a boat bbs when a middle age white guy has his 6 figure boat boarded for a "safety check" in South Florida. Reports of guns drawn in the presence of children, Law Enforcement marking up the nonskid with their jack boots, etc. I had never thought of it as small glimpse into the DWB experience before now.
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
So I don't get tazed?
This guy probably has some sort of settlement coming. Second cop overreacted, but we can't see everything that happened.
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
So I don't get tazed?
This guy probably has some sort of settlement coming. Second cop overreacted, but we can't see everything that happened.
no
rent a cop was a dumb bitch with no right to ask for ID
cop cop was a bag and could have de-escalated the situation and tried to be a hardass with the "I'm not your brother" crap.
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
So I don't get tazed?
This guy probably has some sort of settlement coming. Second cop overreacted, but we can't see everything that happened.
no
rent a cop was a dumb bitch with no right to ask for ID
cop cop was a bag and could have de-escalated the situation and tried to be a hardass with the "I'm not your brother" crap.
The woman in the video was a regular cop, not a rent-a-cop.
Also, didn't realize this was from January, he just got his phone back from police now. :sdeek:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/clip/10527380/father-will-file-complaint-with-sppd
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I would have shown them my ID.
Why?
So I don't get tazed?
This guy probably has some sort of settlement coming. Second cop overreacted, but we can't see everything that happened.
So there is a law that says show id or get tazed?
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that video makes me almost shake with anger
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Dems doing what Dems do, politicizing the Michael Brown shooting to try to drive "their" black demographic to the polls. Disgusting but utterly predictable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/us/politics/at-risk-in-senate-democrats-seek-to-rally-blacks.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/us/politics/at-risk-in-senate-democrats-seek-to-rally-blacks.html)
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Dems doing what Dems do, politicizing the Michael Brown shooting to try to drive "their" black demographic to the polls. Disgusting but utterly predictable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/us/politics/at-risk-in-senate-democrats-seek-to-rally-blacks.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/us/politics/at-risk-in-senate-democrats-seek-to-rally-blacks.html)
Disgusting
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All crisis is good . . . for us: America's Democratic Party
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That guy in MN deserves to get a lot of money. But that could have been avoided had he just complied. If I get pulled over for speeding because I didn't see a sign I'm not just walking away
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How dare they encourage minorities to vote!
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There's been a lot of "Michael Brown was a criminal" stuff going around. Even if he did some bad things, that doesn't make it ok to gun him down like a wild animal. Is the argument "Yeah, that cop shot him down real good, but hey, he got into some trouble previously so its ok"? Because I don't think a criminal past makes cops just shooting people ok.
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There's been a lot of "Michael Brown was a criminal" stuff going around. Even if he did some bad things, that doesn't make it ok to gun him down like a wild animal. Is the argument "Yeah, that cop shot him down real good, but hey, he got into some trouble previously so its ok"? Because I don't think a criminal past makes cops just shooting people ok.
Don't forget he had just beat up the cop that shot him. But yeah, he was just a big gentle giant.
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There's been a lot of "Michael Brown was a criminal" stuff going around. Even if he did some bad things, that doesn't make it ok to gun him down like a wild animal. Is the argument "Yeah, that cop shot him down real good, but hey, he got into some trouble previously so its ok"? Because I don't think a criminal past makes cops just shooting people ok.
Don't forget he had just beat up the cop that shot him. But yeah, he was just a big gentle giant.
Policemen, judge, jury and executioner.
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How dare they encourage minorities to vote!
Yes there's the spin! :lol: Just another voter registration effort. Nothing unsavory about trying to make the Brown shooting a political issue to drive the black demographic, historically apathetic in midterms, to the polls.
Speaking of Dems doing what Dems do, it must be election season... Time to press the minimum wage again! http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216342-obama-to-pitch-minimum-wage-boost-in-milwaukee (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216342-obama-to-pitch-minimum-wage-boost-in-milwaukee)
I guess the stock student loan speech comes next? Or maybe it's the "war on women" speech.
The Democrat Party: Champion Of The Little Guy Every Other September.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
Depends. Are they poor?
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So it was unacceptable for the people of Ferguson to peaceably assemble and the cops had every right to disperse the crowd. So then when the people of Ferguson want to affect political change through voting that is also poo poo'd.
It is almost as if there is a group of people in America that feel disenfranchised because other people think they should have no say in our democracy.
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Why don't republicans just try appealing to the blacks going to the polls?
:dunno:
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
If you think this sort of proxy system is good for democracy, then you're rough ridin' crazy.
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So it was unacceptable for the people of Ferguson to peaceably assemble and the cops had every right to disperse the crowd. So then when the people of Ferguson want to affect political change through voting that is also poo poo'd.
It is almost as if there is a group of people in America that feel disenfranchised because other people think they should have no say in our democracy.
Excellent display of pseudo intellect. Must listen to NPR.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
If you think this sort of proxy system is good for democracy, then you're rough ridin' crazy.
Link? Or are you just confusing the Chris Farley classic, Black Sheep with reality?
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
If you think this sort of proxy system is good for democracy, then you're rough ridin' crazy.
Link? Or are you just confusing the Chris Farley classic, Black Sheep with reality?
Bro, do you even ACORN?
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
It must not be enforced too much or you wouldn't be worried about it. I say give it a shot.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
It must not be enforced too much or you wouldn't be worried about it. I say give it a shot.
Can't beat 'em join 'em
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
If you think this sort of proxy system is good for democracy, then you're rough ridin' crazy.
Link? Or are you just confusing the Chris Farley classic, Black Sheep with reality?
Bro, do you even ACORN?
You mean the organization that hasn't even existed since 2010? Topical stuff here. :facepalm:
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
It must not be enforced too much or you wouldn't be worried about it. I say give it a shot.
It must not happen too much (read almost never) or it would be enforced. Voter fraud is a conservative myth.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
It must not be enforced too much or you wouldn't be worried about it. I say give it a shot.
It must not happen too much (read almost never) or it would be enforced. Voter fraud is a conservative myth.
Interesting.
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the liberal media just doesn't report it
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That must be it.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
If you think this sort of proxy system is good for democracy, then you're rough ridin' crazy.
Link? Or are you just confusing the Chris Farley classic, Black Sheep with reality?
Bro, do you even ACORN?
You mean the organization that hasn't even existed since 2010? Topical stuff here. :facepalm:
It's called Action United or something now, and is run by the same people doing the same thing. If a bunch of right wingers were out at retirement homes enlisting the barely lucid, you'd be throwing a fit.
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Isn't getting people to the polls, regardless of the impetus, good for democracy?
They don't go to the polls, the community organizers register them to vote then do absentee ballots straight line D for them in perpetuity.
Why don't republicans do the same?
Not sure other than it's illegal and immoral.
It must not be enforced too much or you wouldn't be worried about it. I say give it a shot.
I bet it would be if republicans did it. Democrat AG and all.
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So it was unacceptable for the people of Ferguson to peaceably assemble and the cops had every right to disperse the crowd. So then when the people of Ferguson want to affect political change through voting that is also poo poo'd.
It is almost as if there is a group of people in America that feel disenfranchised because other people think they should have no say in our democracy.
The shooting and aftermath are not a Democrat versus Republican issue.
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So it was unacceptable for the people of Ferguson to peaceably assemble and the cops had every right to disperse the crowd. So then when the people of Ferguson want to affect political change through voting that is also poo poo'd.
It is almost as if there is a group of people in America that feel disenfranchised because other people think they should have no say in our democracy.
The shooting and aftermath are not a Democrat versus Republican issue.
I agree.
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Democracy and Justice are punchlines to Democrats. They don't give a crap about either. It's all about what's best for them and how to garner the most power possible. The sociopathic post hoc rationalization is pathetic and, if it weren't for the need to fool a few voters, unnecessary for everyone involved.
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Democracy and Justice are punchlines to Democrats. They don't give a crap about either. It's all about what's best for them and how to garner the most power possible. The sociopathic post hoc rationalization is pathetic and, if it weren't for the need to fool a few voters, unnecessary for everyone involved.
Red Map
Super PACs
Voter IDs
Get off the conservative talking points memo and realize your boys are just as bad if not worse for American democracy.
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:lol:
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
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LOL
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Parties appeal to their bases. Don't know why this is shocking to anyone. I'm at work, but both sides politicize issues for their own gain.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
1. Yes, of course they have.
2. Don't know, but I would speculate that it is because Democrats have done such an effective job pushing the victimhood/entitlement drug over the decades. There are obvious individual exceptions (e.g., the folks I named above and many, many more), but unfortunately, the black population as a whole, as a voting demographic, appears to have long since gone over the tipping point due to poor education, fatherless family structure, and dependency on welfare. Americans as a whole may be headed down the same road, which is obviously very troubling.
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It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
1. Yes, of course they have.
2. Don't know, but I would speculate that it is because Democrats have done such an effective job pushing the victimhood/entitlement drug over the decades. There are obvious individual exceptions (e.g., the folks I named above and many, many more), but unfortunately, the black population as a whole, as a voting demographic, appears to have long since gone over the tipping point due to poor education, fatherless family structure, and dependency on welfare. Americans as a whole may be headed down the same road, which is obviously very troubling.
Do republicans have any solutions to improving education beyond "school choice"? I think improving on that message would be a good first step.
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It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
1. Yes, of course they have.
2. Don't know, but I would speculate that it is because Democrats have done such an effective job pushing the victimhood/entitlement drug over the decades. There are obvious individual exceptions (e.g., the folks I named above and many, many more), but unfortunately, the black population as a whole, as a voting demographic, appears to have long since gone over the tipping point due to poor education, fatherless family structure, and dependency on welfare. Americans as a whole may be headed down the same road, which is obviously very troubling.
Do republicans have any solutions to improving education beyond "school choice"? I think improving on that message would be a good first step.
First, :lol: at the thought that the black demographic is somehow on the fence and is just waiting for Republicans to offer a better message on improving education. The Democrats quite publicly killed the DC voucher program (it was even reported somewhat fairly by most media outlets), and I would bet you that a good 99% of black DC residents continue to vote Democrat.
Second, poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family. If kids don't have role models and a home environment conducive to learning, they're at a massive disadvantage. Republicans understand this, and also understand that simply throwing money at the problem solves nothing. But if Republicans say this, "they have no solutions."
Republicans have offered many solutions to improving education. In addition to giving kids an opportunity to get out of shitty schools with vouchers, Republicans have also advocated for getting rid of shitty teachers by breaking up unions and their "RIF lists", making it easier to fire them, etc. Scott Walker was a big proponent of this, and the Democrats staged a recall election in response.
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Second, poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family. If kids don't have role models and a home environment conducive to learning, they're at a massive disadvantage.
Has there been some sort of scientific study that supports this statement?
Also, :D
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Republicans have offered many solutions to improving education. In addition to giving kids an opportunity to get out of shitty schools with vouchers, Republicans have also advocated for getting rid of shitty teachers by breaking up unions and their "RIF lists", making it easier to fire them, etc. Scott Walker was a big proponent of this, and the Democrats staged a recall election in response.
I'll ask about these, too. Mods, maybe start a republican solution to poor education thread.
Vouchers: what happens to the kids who don't get out of shitty schools? eff 'em?
Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
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Second, poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family. If kids don't have role models and a home environment conducive to learning, they're at a massive disadvantage.
Has there been some sort of scientific study that supports this statement?
Also, :D
Come on man, when you ask for a "scientific study" to prove something that's just so common sense, you just sound silly. I guess google it if you really need to - I'm sure something will pop up. In the meantime, I'll go off common sense, my own experience as both a student and a parent, and the experience of my gradeschool teacher friend who tells me "funny, the kids with parents who actually bother to show up to the parent-teacher nights do better at school."
But if home environment does not play a role in learning, then boy those teachers have really been wasting our time with that "homework" thing. :rolleyes:
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That's a long-winded way of saying there's no evidence of what you're saying is factual.
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Second, poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family. If kids don't have role models and a home environment conducive to learning, they're at a massive disadvantage.
Has there been some sort of scientific study that supports this statement?
Also, :D
Come on man, when you ask for a "scientific study" to prove something that's just so common sense, you just sound silly. I guess google it if you really need to - I'm sure something will pop up. In the meantime, I'll go off common sense, my own experience as both a student and a parent, and the experience of my gradeschool teacher friend who tells me "funny, the kids with parents who actually bother to show up to the parent-teacher nights do better at school."
But if home environment does not play a role in learning, then boy those teachers have really been wasting our time with that "homework" thing. :rolleyes:
I think everything plays a role in learning. You said: "poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family". Family structure is definitely part of that but so is income, neighborhood, nutrition, peer group, teachers, after school and summer activities, etc., etc., etc.
I personally think a rich kid in a single-parent household is far more likely to succeed in education and life than a poor kid with married parents in a shitty neighborhood with shitty teachers and friends, but maybe that's just me.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
Me thinks KSU believes African Americans can't think on their own and must be led around by the neck on how to vote and how to live.
I think it's pretty sorry for him to possibly think such things.
Could it be that voter purging, gerrymandering, and tougher voter registration requirements implemented by Republicans to gain a stronghold on power has anything to do with African Americans predominately voting democrat?
Do the Lee Atwater/ Karl Rove dog whistle tactics of the 80s have anything to do with the African American left lean at the polls?
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Republicans have offered many solutions to improving education. In addition to giving kids an opportunity to get out of shitty schools with vouchers, Republicans have also advocated for getting rid of shitty teachers by breaking up unions and their "RIF lists", making it easier to fire them, etc. Scott Walker was a big proponent of this, and the Democrats staged a recall election in response.
I'll ask about these, too. Mods, maybe start a republican solution to poor education thread.
Vouchers: what happens to the kids who don't get out of shitty schools? eff 'em? There isn't a solution for every student, but let's at least help the ones we can. Again, throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. Maybe a slightly better teacher:student ration will help at least a bit?
Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones? There doesn't seem to be any shortage of young, hopefully more motivated teachers being churned out every year by our universities. Maybe shift some of the existing funds away from assistant deputy secretaries and other adminsitration and actually spend it on merit-based teacher salaries?
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Me thinks KSU believes African Americans can't think on their own and must be led around by the neck on how to vote and how to live.
I think it's pretty sorry for him to possibly think such things.
Could it be that voter purging, gerrymandering, and tougher voter registration requirements implemented by Republicans to gain a stronghold on power has anything to do with African Americans predominately voting democrat?
Do the Lee Atwater/ Karl Rove dog whistle tactics of the 80s have anything to do with the African American left lean at the polls?
What a goldmine of libtard cliches. Good work. Voter purging? I'm pretty sure that means taking dead people off the books. Gerrymandering? Both parties do that, and it sucks. Tougher voter registration requirements? If a country like India can have a national voter ID requirement, so can we. Dog whistles? Not sure where that even came from, but :lol:.
And I'm not accusing blacks of not being able to think for themselves - it's just odd that the black demographic is such a monolithic voting block in favor of a political party whose policies do so much harm to the poor and minorities.
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Second, poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family. If kids don't have role models and a home environment conducive to learning, they're at a massive disadvantage.
Has there been some sort of scientific study that supports this statement?
Also, :D
Come on man, when you ask for a "scientific study" to prove something that's just so common sense, you just sound silly. I guess google it if you really need to - I'm sure something will pop up. In the meantime, I'll go off common sense, my own experience as both a student and a parent, and the experience of my gradeschool teacher friend who tells me "funny, the kids with parents who actually bother to show up to the parent-teacher nights do better at school."
But if home environment does not play a role in learning, then boy those teachers have really been wasting our time with that "homework" thing. :rolleyes:
I think everything plays a role in learning. You said: "poor eduction is mostly the result of the breakdown of the family". Family structure is definitely part of that but so is income, neighborhood, nutrition, peer group, teachers, after school and summer activities, etc., etc., etc. I think family structure breakdown is closely associated with many of these problems.
I personally think a rich kid in a single-parent household is far more likely to succeed in education and life than a poor kid with married parents in a shitty neighborhood with shitty teachers and friends, but maybe that's just me.
Ok - I think you're wrong, but we'll just disagree on that. I knew several wealthy kids from mumped-up families who were absolutely terrible students. Give me a poor minority student from a peaceful, two-parent household versus a spoiled rich kid from a fatherless (or might as well be) household, put them in the same school, and I'll put my money on the poor kid every time.
Edit - I just saw the "and life" part. That's a different discussion. We're talking education (in a thread about the Michael Brown shooting - heh)
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
Yes, but struggling districts already have a huge problem retaining teachers without "firing" the bad ones. I guess you could pay more.
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
Yes, but struggling districts have a huge problem retaining teachers without "firing" the bad ones. I guess you could pay more.
only the good ones tho
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Vouchers: what happens to the kids who don't get out of shitty schools? eff 'em? There isn't a solution for every student, but let's at least help the ones we can. Again, throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. Maybe a slightly better teacher:student ration will help at least a bit?
We CAN raise our minimum standard of education for ALL children. If we choose to. "School choice" just shifts money to different places without raising the bar overall. Yes, some students will always fall through the cracks, but it is possible to raise the bar for everyone.
And how do you improve the teacher:student ratio without money?
Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones? There doesn't seem to be any shortage of young, hopefully more motivated teachers being churned out every year by our universities. Maybe shift some of the existing funds away from assistant deputy secretaries and other adminsitration and actually spend it on merit-based teacher salaries?
Like I said before, there is a problem attracting quality teachers to struggling districts. And I agree throwing more money at teachers is a good possible solution.
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
And right now, more or less, the way we evaluate teacher performance is standardized student test scores. Is that the method we are using to evaluate in your system?
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
And right now, more or less, the way we evaluate teacher performance is standardized student test scores. Is that the method we are using to evaluate in your system?
oh hell no
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
Yes, but struggling districts have a huge problem retaining teachers without "firing" the bad ones. I guess you could pay more.
only the good ones tho
I thought we were firing the bad ones? Raise the pay for all, improve the applicant pool.
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
Yes, but struggling districts have a huge problem retaining teachers without "firing" the bad ones. I guess you could pay more.
only the good ones tho
I thought we were firing the bad ones? Raise the pay for all, improve the applicant pool.
oh yeah, but to raise the pay scale, districts would have to reinvent themselves. I can go into more depth but its just going to be a voucher system in the end.*
*spoiler
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Republicans have offered many solutions to improving education. In addition to giving kids an opportunity to get out of shitty schools with vouchers, Republicans have also advocated for getting rid of shitty teachers by breaking up unions and their "RIF lists", making it easier to fire them, etc. Scott Walker was a big proponent of this, and the Democrats staged a recall election in response.
I'll ask about these, too. Mods, maybe start a republican solution to poor education thread.
Vouchers: what happens to the kids who don't get out of shitty schools? eff 'em? There isn't a solution for every student, but let's at least help the ones we can. Again, throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. Maybe a slightly better teacher:student ration will help at least a bit?
Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones? There doesn't seem to be any shortage of young, hopefully more motivated teachers being churned out every year by our universities. Maybe shift some of the existing funds away from assistant deputy secretaries and other adminsitration and actually spend it on merit-based teacher salaries?
I have not come across a proposed solution that matches "throwing money at the problem" better than vouchers do.
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
And right now, more or less, the way we evaluate teacher performance is standardized student test scores. Is that the method we are using to evaluate in your system?
oh hell no
good man.
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KK, what's the best way to separate good teachers from the bad? I know test scores are a terrible way, but is there a good way?
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Not sure if luke'd but this is why I hardly use Facebook anymore...http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/09/02/facebook-twitter-ferguson-icebucketchallenge/14818505/
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Deleted my fb six months ago. Though I feel Ferguson would have been in my news feed.
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KK, what's the best way to separate good teachers from the bad? I know test scores are a terrible way, but is there a good way?
I think an evaluation system that values process significantly more than results is the wright way.
In general (but particularly for education) I think these are the rules to live by for Organizations:
-finding potentially good employees (recruitment/hiring)
-investing in training on best practices
-collaboration/innovation/interpretation of best practices led by identified best employees (peers/specialists/evaluators/supervisors)
-evaluation focused primarily upon process, with extensive documentation (not just data) to assess
I don't think standardization is bad at all, but when the focus is exclusively on results (with lots of motivation for achieving results) and tons of autonomy is given to process, "juking the stats" and outright fraud is what happens.
You cannot make people fear for their jobs when they don't control any of the inputs and are being graded exclusively on the output.
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Schools def could use a HR dept for finding the right ppl and for training. I personally feel like college set me up very well to understand the macro of my industy, but if I didn't have the formal training at my first employer, after school, I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now about my industry. Also, I am not a teacher, but the teachers I know all feel like they know who the good and bad teachers in their schools are. Why can an evaluation process not be established if those in the system all feel like they know who the good teachers are?
As for at risk schools, those teachers need to be paid more. A lot more. I don't know how to fund this, or to decide who gets what, but a teacher in KCK or KCMO should get more than one in Shawnee, for example. The best employee gets the hardest tasks and should get a higher salary and a better bonus for being the person who takes on such tasks. Raise the wages and let the individual schools handle the hiring/firing, and it should start getting better in a short amt of time.
Also, the districts need to hold kids and families to a higher standard. My wife's district doesn't hold kids back. Like, at all. If you can't read as a 4th grader this year, then next yr you are a illiterate 5th grader who gets pulled out of regular class to work on reading. If you can't get multiplication in 3rd grade, then next year you are a 4th grader that gets pulled out of class for math and continues to slip because while you are out, your class moves forward with division, fractions, and decimals. Creates a product that the teachers can never catch up. How do you over come that without holding kids back?
I don't know about all districts, but I could type for hours on the seemingly obvious stuff that I would change about my hometown dist.
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Schools def could use a HR dept for finding the right ppl and for training. I personally feel like college set me up very well to understand the macro of my industy, but if I didn't have the formal training at my first employer, after school, I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now about my industry. Also, I am not a teacher, but the teachers I know all feel like they know who the good and bad teachers in their schools are. Why can an evaluation process not be established if those in the system all feel like they know who the good teachers are?
As for at risk schools, those teachers need to be paid more. A lot more. I don't know how to fund this, or to decide who gets what, but a teacher in KCK or KCMO should get more than one in Shawnee, for example. The best employee gets the hardest tasks and should get a higher salary and a better bonus for being the person who takes on such tasks. Raise the wages and let the individual schools handle the hiring/firing, and it should start getting better in a short amt of time.
Also, the districts need to hold kids and families to a higher standard. My wife's district doesn't hold kids back. Like, at all. If you can't read as a 4th grader this year, then next yr you are a illiterate 5th grader who gets pulled out of regular class to work on reading. If you can't get multiplication in 3rd grade, then next year you are a 4th grader that gets pulled out of class for math and continues to slip because while you are out, your class moves forward with division, fractions, and decimals. Creates a product that the teachers can never catch up. How do you over come that without holding kids back?
I don't know about all districts, but I could type for hours on the seemingly obvious stuff that I would change about my hometown dist.
You realize that this is 99% a political/money reason right? Add up all the extra years of schooling for those kids. Also, we have compulsory education with strong penalties for non-compliance, local control is about mitigating some of that state power. The more invasive and absolute the control the state exercises, even in this area, inevitably the more push back you will find from parents/community. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be a bigger problem than you are making it out to be.
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What are you not saying couldn't happen?
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Schools def could use a HR dept for finding the right ppl and for training. I personally feel like college set me up very well to understand the macro of my industy, but if I didn't have the formal training at my first employer, after school, I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now about my industry. Also, I am not a teacher, but the teachers I know all feel like they know who the good and bad teachers in their schools are. Why can an evaluation process not be established if those in the system all feel like they know who the good teachers are?
As for at risk schools, those teachers need to be paid more. A lot more. I don't know how to fund this, or to decide who gets what, but a teacher in KCK or KCMO should get more than one in Shawnee, for example. The best employee gets the hardest tasks and should get a higher salary and a better bonus for being the person who takes on such tasks. Raise the wages and let the individual schools handle the hiring/firing, and it should start getting better in a short amt of time.
Also, the districts need to hold kids and families to a higher standard. My wife's district doesn't hold kids back. Like, at all. If you can't read as a 4th grader this year, then next yr you are a illiterate 5th grader who gets pulled out of regular class to work on reading. If you can't get multiplication in 3rd grade, then next year you are a 4th grader that gets pulled out of class for math and continues to slip because while you are out, your class moves forward with division, fractions, and decimals. Creates a product that the teachers can never catch up. How do you over come that without holding kids back?
I don't know about all districts, but I could type for hours on the seemingly obvious stuff that I would change about my hometown dist.
You realize that this is 99% a political/money reason right? Add up all the extra years of schooling for those kids. Also, we have compulsory education with strong penalties for non-compliance, local control is about mitigating some of that state power. The more invasive and absolute the control the state exercises, even in this area, inevitably the more push back you will find from parents/community. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be a bigger problem than you are making it out to be.
I am not trying to minimize any of the problems. There are many of them and many are big. Changing something that has been allowed to happen for a long time is hard as is changing something that is tied to public money and cast in a shitty light for the last decade or more. Doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed.
As for the political/money issue, you won't find me opposing a much better funding plan for education, ever, and this is exactly the type of political sitch where the governing body needs to stand up to those being served by the system. Everyone likes to say that if parents don't like the quality of existing ed, then go find a private school. The state should stand up and use the same reasoning for those who don't like having to meet the standards of a more rigid system.
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Mods. Clean this crap up.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
1. Yes, of course they have.
2. Don't know, but I would speculate that it is because Democrats have done such an effective job pushing the victimhood/entitlement drug over the decades. There are obvious individual exceptions (e.g., the folks I named above and many, many more), but unfortunately, the black population as a whole, as a voting demographic, appears to have long since gone over the tipping point due to poor education, fatherless family structure, and dependency on welfare. Americans as a whole may be headed down the same road, which is obviously very troubling.
You are a true piece of crap
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What are you not saying couldn't happen?
Fair enough, it won't happen.
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Schools def could use a HR dept for finding the right ppl and for training. I personally feel like college set me up very well to understand the macro of my industy, but if I didn't have the formal training at my first employer, after school, I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now about my industry. Also, I am not a teacher, but the teachers I know all feel like they know who the good and bad teachers in their schools are. Why can an evaluation process not be established if those in the system all feel like they know who the good teachers are?
As for at risk schools, those teachers need to be paid more. A lot more. I don't know how to fund this, or to decide who gets what, but a teacher in KCK or KCMO should get more than one in Shawnee, for example. The best employee gets the hardest tasks and should get a higher salary and a better bonus for being the person who takes on such tasks. Raise the wages and let the individual schools handle the hiring/firing, and it should start getting better in a short amt of time.
Also, the districts need to hold kids and families to a higher standard. My wife's district doesn't hold kids back. Like, at all. If you can't read as a 4th grader this year, then next yr you are a illiterate 5th grader who gets pulled out of regular class to work on reading. If you can't get multiplication in 3rd grade, then next year you are a 4th grader that gets pulled out of class for math and continues to slip because while you are out, your class moves forward with division, fractions, and decimals. Creates a product that the teachers can never catch up. How do you over come that without holding kids back?
I don't know about all districts, but I could type for hours on the seemingly obvious stuff that I would change about my hometown dist.
You realize that this is 99% a political/money reason right? Add up all the extra years of schooling for those kids. Also, we have compulsory education with strong penalties for non-compliance, local control is about mitigating some of that state power. The more invasive and absolute the control the state exercises, even in this area, inevitably the more push back you will find from parents/community. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be a bigger problem than you are making it out to be.
I am not trying to minimize any of the problems. There are many of them and many are big. Changing something that has been allowed to happen for a long time is hard as is changing something that is tied to public money and cast in a shitty light for the last decade or more. Doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed.
As for the political/money issue, you won't find me opposing a much better funding plan for education, ever, and this is exactly the type of political sitch where the governing body needs to stand up to those being served by the system. Everyone likes to say that if parents don't like the quality of existing ed, then go find a private school. The state should stand up and use the same reasoning for those who don't like having to meet the standards of a more rigid system.
Having a free public education for all is not the same as having the best possible education but if you allow public money to go to a bureaucracy that gets to kick out patrons they don't want, then I don't think you are going to like the result.
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(Final) Solution: shoot the black kids dead when they're younger.
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:lol:
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I just noticed live trim spelled backwards is Mirt Evil. That is all.
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Mir T. Evil.... Mir sock?
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Mir T. Evil.... Mir sock?
We all look alike, huh?
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Schools def could use a HR dept for finding the right ppl and for training. I personally feel like college set me up very well to understand the macro of my industy, but if I didn't have the formal training at my first employer, after school, I wouldn't know half the stuff I know now about my industry. Also, I am not a teacher, but the teachers I know all feel like they know who the good and bad teachers in their schools are. Why can an evaluation process not be established if those in the system all feel like they know who the good teachers are?
As for at risk schools, those teachers need to be paid more. A lot more. I don't know how to fund this, or to decide who gets what, but a teacher in KCK or KCMO should get more than one in Shawnee, for example. The best employee gets the hardest tasks and should get a higher salary and a better bonus for being the person who takes on such tasks. Raise the wages and let the individual schools handle the hiring/firing, and it should start getting better in a short amt of time.
Also, the districts need to hold kids and families to a higher standard. My wife's district doesn't hold kids back. Like, at all. If you can't read as a 4th grader this year, then next yr you are a illiterate 5th grader who gets pulled out of regular class to work on reading. If you can't get multiplication in 3rd grade, then next year you are a 4th grader that gets pulled out of class for math and continues to slip because while you are out, your class moves forward with division, fractions, and decimals. Creates a product that the teachers can never catch up. How do you over come that without holding kids back?
I don't know about all districts, but I could type for hours on the seemingly obvious stuff that I would change about my hometown dist.
You realize that this is 99% a political/money reason right? Add up all the extra years of schooling for those kids. Also, we have compulsory education with strong penalties for non-compliance, local control is about mitigating some of that state power. The more invasive and absolute the control the state exercises, even in this area, inevitably the more push back you will find from parents/community. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it would be a bigger problem than you are making it out to be.
I am not trying to minimize any of the problems. There are many of them and many are big. Changing something that has been allowed to happen for a long time is hard as is changing something that is tied to public money and cast in a shitty light for the last decade or more. Doesn't mean it doesn't need to be changed.
As for the political/money issue, you won't find me opposing a much better funding plan for education, ever, and this is exactly the type of political sitch where the governing body needs to stand up to those being served by the system. Everyone likes to say that if parents don't like the quality of existing ed, then go find a private school. The state should stand up and use the same reasoning for those who don't like having to meet the standards of a more rigid system.
Having a free public education for all is not the same as having the best possible education but if you allow public money to go to a bureaucracy that gets to kick out patrons they don't want, then I don't think you are going to like the result.
That isn't what I was saying. I was saying that if parents start complaining about kids being held back, the state should tell them they have the right to pursue a private ed. I am saying the state should be all about holding back kids if need be to meet the needed level before moving to the next grade, cost be damned.
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Mir T. Evil.... Mir sock?
We all look alike, huh?
wichitonians? yes
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Getting rid of shitty teachers: How do you propose attracting non-shitty teachers to replace the shitty ones?
Same way any organization or place of employment would. Pay the good ones, fire the bad ones.
It really is this simple.
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If you're in the tl:dnr for this exhilarating education debate:
Michigancat and Kat Kid: throw more money at the systemic disaster that is the public education system.
KSUw: give every kid money to spend money on the school of their choice.
MIR: Everyone is racist
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(Final) Solution: shoot the black kids dead when they're younger.
You must be confused. I'm the guy who is opposed to genocide, like the hundreds of thousands of black babies slaughtered every year. You know, the "medical procedure" advocated by the party that receives 90% of the black vote.
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Oh look, another thread of Republicans vs Democrats. About time we had one
Again, the shooting and it's aftermath should not be a political issue. Democrats are trying to make it one. That's just a fact, and I was just pointing it out.
Yes, always the Democrats (or Republicans) fault.
I was expecting better excuses than just a vague "well, the Republicans do it, too." So far, the best spin I've heard is "just another voter registration effort" and even that's pretty weak. You guys are really mailing it in at this point, or maybe there's just no excusing the inexcusable.
Democrats: Hey black people! Are you angry that Michael Brown got shot 'cause racism? Then you should totally go to the polls and vote this November for us - the Democrats!
Republicans: Wait, aren't the Democrats responsible for a lot of things irreparably harming poor and minority Americans, like mass importation/employment of unskilled labor, stifling school choice, the largest genocide by abortion in history, and destruction of the family unit by expansion of welfare?
Democrats: Don't listen to that pack of racists! We're the party of Barack Obama!
Republicans: We're the party of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Ben Carson, Alan West, and many other black political figures.
Democrats: Buncha Uncle Toms! You're our voters!
Republicans: That sounds kind of like slavery...
Democrats: Raaaaacists!
It seems like you think republicans have a pretty good appeal to black voters. Have republicans ever made an effort to get this message to blacks? Why hasn't it been successful?
1. Yes, of course they have.
2. Don't know, but I would speculate that it is because Democrats have done such an effective job pushing the victimhood/entitlement drug over the decades. There are obvious individual exceptions (e.g., the folks I named above and many, many more), but unfortunately, the black population as a whole, as a voting demographic, appears to have long since gone over the tipping point due to poor education, fatherless family structure, and dependency on welfare. Americans as a whole may be headed down the same road, which is obviously very troubling.
You are a true piece of crap
"Shut Up," he explained.
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just saw this on reddit a minute ago and seemed relevant to ksu's narrative
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FpKwMtfT.jpg&hash=7da2c0aee70117ed29301f9364a2b7eff2570aea)
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If you're in the tl:dnr for this exhilarating education debate:
Michigancat and Kat Kid: throw more money at the systemic disaster that is the public education system.
KSUw: give every kid money to spend money on the school of their choice.
MIR: Everyone is racist
If everyone is comprised of you and KSUW and your David Duke talking points, then yes everyone is racist. And just so we're clear, your racism and political views are very much mutually exclusive. I'm sure mist republicans don't ascribe to the niggers are too stupid to vote and are drawn by shiny welfare checks talking point.
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Maybe Ted Cruz's dad can be in charge of minority outreach for his son's Presidential campaign.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko)
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Maybe Ted Cruz's dad can be in charge of minority outreach for his son's Presidential campaign.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko)
The irony of that stupid ass not understanding why what Democrats were before civil rights legislation bears no relevance to what the pay has been since.
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If you're in the tl:dnr for this exhilarating education debate:
Michigancat and Kat Kid: throw more money at the systemic disaster that is the public education system.
KSUw: give every kid money to spend money on the school of their choice.
MIR: Everyone is racist
If everyone is comprised of you and KSUW and your David Duke talking points, then yes everyone is racist. And just so we're clear, your racism and political views are very much mutually exclusive. I'm sure mist republicans don't ascribe to the niggers are too stupid to vote and are drawn by shiny welfare checks talking point.
What a thoughtful diatribe. Thank you for sharing.
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Maybe Ted Cruz's dad can be in charge of minority outreach for his son's Presidential campaign.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#3rfrqko)
The irony of that stupid ass not understanding why what Democrats were before civil rights legislation bears no relevance to what the pay has been since.
I don't know, the full scale exploitation seems to be ongoing and continuous.
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Strom Thurmond's filibuster. A stain on the Democratic Party forever!
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Ted Cruz's dad should try to hand deliver that book to John Lewis.
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Who was the "non-negro dialect" guy?
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The lengths the left will go to characterize every statement and policy of the Republicans as racist, coupled with the incessant and self-serving public announcements of which races they aim to serve, should be all anyone with a modicum of critical thought needs to analyze the situation. Sadly, the indoctrinated are willing to latch on to this group of people in exchange for a few bread crumbs off their table. Then, they wonder years later, why nothing is getting better, and turn to the same people who they thought were helping them for answers. "It's rich people's fault" "no, not me, the other rich people"
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Me thinks KSU believes African Americans can't think on their own and must be led around by the neck on how to vote and how to live.
I think it's pretty sorry for him to possibly think such things.
Could it be that voter purging, gerrymandering, and tougher voter registration requirements implemented by Republicans to gain a stronghold on power has anything to do with African Americans predominately voting democrat?
Do the Lee Atwater/ Karl Rove dog whistle tactics of the 80s have anything to do with the African American left lean at the polls?
What a goldmine of libtard cliches. Good work. Voter purging? I'm pretty sure that means taking dead people off the books. Gerrymandering? Both parties do that, and it sucks. Tougher voter registration requirements? If a country like India can have a national voter ID requirement, so can we. Dog whistles? Not sure where that even came from, but :lol:.
And I'm not accusing blacks of not being able to think for themselves - it's just odd that the black demographic is such a monolithic voting block in favor of a political party whose policies do so much harm to the poor and minorities.
Well, your cliches were just, well cliches.
My "libtard" cliches as you call it have actually been legislated in.
And no, in modern times, both parties do not gerrymander equally.
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Yeah, gerrymandering is something definitely new to the political spectrum. That and barnstorming across the country in a boxcar. What's next? Debates on live radio?????
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One thing you can bet on is that half Democrat party won't come out in support of the KKK again. That one cost them a single presidential campaign. Wooooeeey
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"It's rich people's fault" "no, not me, the other rich people"
This is actually a good point, and one that I find both poignant and important.
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"It's rich people's fault" "no, not me, the other rich people"
This is actually a good point, and one that I find both poignant and important.
similar to blue collar republicans saying "it's poor people's fault i'm poor, not my poor families fault, the other poor people's fault"
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"It's rich people's fault" "no, not me, the other rich people"
This is actually a good point, and one that I find both poignant and important.
similar to blue collar republicans saying "it's poor people's fault i'm poor, not my poor families fault, the other poor people's fault"
Well, the grammar of the latter is an obamanation, though as for that the hypocrisy is really about the same, yes.
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poor people are terrible at grammar (i was in character)
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poor people are terrible at grammar (i was in character)
The most important thing is that we - the collective we - resist the urge to align our personal thoughts and feelings with a body of opinion wholly separate from our own individual and self-true experiences refined by honest reflection.
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Totally
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[url]https://storify.com/DKShan/backoffice-politics-and-misdealings-in-missouri/url]
So the Feds are the only chance of justice. Missouri is a corrupt and racist place.
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poor people are terrible at grammar (i was in character)
:dubious:
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poor people are terrible at grammar (i was in character)
:dubious:
:D
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[url]https://storify.com/DKShan/backoffice-politics-and-misdealings-in-missouri/url]
So the Feds are the only chance of justice. Missouri is a corrupt and racist place.
did not fact check that guy, but ugh. Also, here's a fixed link.
https://storify.com/DKShan/backoffice-politics-and-misdealings-in-missouri
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This cop saved a suicidal person instead of shooting her. :D
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dashcam-texas-cop-rescues-woman-lying-train-tracks-seconds-run/
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b6993d670f/cop-v-black-guy
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die.
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b6993d670f/cop-v-black-guy
Has there ever been anything funny come out of that website?
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b6993d670f/cop-v-black-guy
Has there ever been anything funny come out of that website?
"The Landlord"
"Between Two Ferns"
Etc.
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die.
Yeah
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poor people are terrible at grammar (i was in character)
The most important thing is that we - the collective we - resist the urge to align our personal thoughts and feelings with a body of opinion wholly separate from our own individual and self-true experiences refined by honest reflection.
The intellectual midget derives comfort from satisfying his instinctual urge to claim a "team."
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Billy on the Street is rough ridin' hilarious
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
oh cool (srsly)
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
thanks for this, I have missed him since the ESPN radio app no longer has podcasts of Highly Questionable :thumbsup:
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
But did you ever stop to consider that maybe those hypothetical black youths were engaged in violence because of racism in their upbringing? Or maybe that black youths are no more likely to engage in violent crime than white youths, but the racist news report in your hypothetical painted a different picture? It's kind of like 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon, but more like 2 Degrees of Racism.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
thanks for this, I have missed him since the ESPN radio app no longer has podcasts of Highly Questionable :thumbsup:
Do you know HQ has been off of the air for nearly a month? They have been on vacation and are also moving into a new studio. They week be back next week.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
You are exactly right, white people don't hate pigment, they like everybody else try to avoid bullshit, sucks if you look like a bullshitter, but the real answer is reputation management.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
You are exactly right, white people don't hate pigment, they like everybody else try to avoid bullshit, sucks if you look like a bullshitter, but the real answer is reputation management.
This is a good point. I'll work on some mock ups and present this to the black leadership in our meeting later this month.
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Reputation Mgnt? What?
It has to do with actual odds and percentages. You are more likely to be disturbed by those with the physical ability to do so, and if you actually see a hint of behavior that makes you think such a thing is possible, you play the safe hand against the percentages. Unless you want church ladies, or little girls, or invalids, or whatever to suddenly be as able to disrupt your day as a group of young males, then this will always be the same.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
Are you asking seriously? No, crossing the street doesn't make you racist, stereotyping isn't always racism. Wanting an entire race to account for the actions of individuals is a different story. I'm guessing you don't assume all white men are child rapists and you'd likely take exception to society assuming that you're going to kidnap and rape any kid you see because most child rapists are white dudes.
Anyway if you think Bomani Jones is a dumbass you're just too stupid to understand the conversation. There are arguments to be had but what you mentioned isn't it. You hearing that and your reaction to it being worried about how racism effects white people lets me know that it isn't productive to further this conversation with you. I have no interest in discussing how pointing out racism against minorities negatively hampers the progress of white men.
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
Nobody's asking you to talk to the assholes that look like you, so why set a different standard for others ?
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
The hell are you talking about?
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
The hell are you talking about?
Mir posted about some dude that is mad because he says everybody hates black people and that is because they are racists, my point is maybe its not because they are black but instead because of a proclivity toward assholeism.
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what
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
The hell are you talking about?
Mir posted about some dude that is mad because he says everybody hates black people and that is because they are racists, my point is maybe its not because they are black but instead because of a proclivity toward assholeism.
Ohhhh. Ok, gotcha.
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Kind of a weird decision by whatever mod made it to where it shows "bad person" whenever tubesock uses the n-word.
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
The hell are you talking about?
Mir posted about some dude that is mad because he says everybody hates black people and that is because they are racists, my point is maybe its not because they are black but instead because of a proclivity toward assholeism.
You seriously may be the stupidest person on this board. It is amazing that you missed his point that badly. Maybe listen again without victimizing the poor poor white man, actually don't listen again, go watch sponge bob or some crap you may actually grasp.
Kind of a weird decision by whatever mod made it to where it shows "bad person" whenever tubesock uses the n-word.
:surprised:
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no surprise mir. To make the point more simple, If my kid goes to school and acts like an bad person that reflects badly on my family because he carries my name, so I am going to punish him and encourage him to not act like an bad person again because of the way it reflects on him and our family. What I am not going to do is try to find blame with the school or other kids to excuse his assholish behavior. Now if a lot of kids that look like mine continuously act like assholes, it will come as no surprise to me that they are looked at as a group of assholes even if a lot of them are innocent of assholitry. So obviously as parents and teachers we can't accept this kind of behavior.
The hell are you talking about?
Mir posted about some dude that is mad because he says everybody hates black people and that is because they are racists, my point is maybe its not because they are black but instead because of a proclivity toward assholeism.
You seriously may be the stupidest person on this board. It is amazing that you missed his point that badly. Maybe listen again without victimizing the poor poor white man, actually don't listen again, go watch sponge bob or some crap you may actually grasp.
Kind of a weird decision by whatever mod made it to where it shows "bad person" whenever tubesock uses the n-word.
:surprised:
I think you are confused, i don't really care about what that guys podcast was about, my posts had to do with what is behind what people mistakenly call racism that really is society rebuking bad behavior. I posted it here because this podcaster clearly falls in this category of accusing society of racism when they really just don't want any part of self destructive behavior or its collateral damages. I think you already know this though and don't really have a way to refute what i'm saying and thats why you resorted to name calling. Nice par Sims.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
Bill Cosby tried this a few years back and was crushed by the media, liberals, and black organizations.
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white people do not need to do a better job ostracizing shitty white people because
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
Bill Cosby tried this a few years back and was crushed by the media, liberals, and black organizations.
What is it about republicans that makes them think any social problem can be fixed with just a strong lecture?
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
Bill Cosby tried this a few years back and was crushed by the media, liberals, and black organizations.
What is it about republicans that makes them think any social problem can be fixed with just a strong lecture?
It's only part of the solution.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Nicname, please tell me you're kidding. Please.
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hey I'm just embracing the idea of poster intimidation that this website introduced me too, I don't see how if it works here and everywhere else its used that it won't work in the African American community. I mean really mir?
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Don't make people responsible for the actions of others..
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Don't make people responsible for the actions of others..
I'm not in charge, but have noticed that this is how it seems to work.
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Bomani Jones' take on how blacks are viewed by everyone
http://theeveningjones.com/podcast/TheEveningJones090114.mp3
His entire podcast is excellent, but the relevant portion of the podcast can be heard from 33:20-54:02. He does a podcast every week, he is contractually obligated to not talk sports so it's pop culture themed.
This guy sounds like a really angry dumbass, anyway Mir let's talk racism for a moment, say a white dude is watching tv news at home and there are reports of blacks being violent downtown (shootings, muggings, etc.) and this dude goes downtown later for a movie, he does not feel he is racist by the way, he parks his car and is walking down the street to the theatre when he sees a group of blacks clowning around on the sidewalk 50 yards in front of him, he crosses the street to avoid coming in contact with them because he doesn't know if they are good guys or bad guys and doesn't want to risk finding out. Is he racist because he does this? I asked this guy why he did it and he said look, I would have probably been safe to keep walking straight ahead, but it is just not worth it on small chance I'm wrong. This is the real problem as I see it, people don't cross the street to avoid a pack of old black church ladies because old black church ladies aren't on the news committing crimes, so it really isn't about skin color. Its about a percentage of a demographic acting badly, so if you want to end this profiling (not skin color related) that demographic needs to clean up its act because its on them, the entire demo gets treated like the percentage of bad actors because people don't have time to get to know every individual that they come in contact with to determine if they are a good person or not.
This exact question/sitch could be related about any group of certain aged men/boys of any color and any group of old church ladies of any color. Men/boys of a certain age are more likely to cause trouble than church ladies are. I don't think we solved anything here.
Tube makes a great point. Black people need to do a better job of ostracizing shitty black people. That includes the way they talk, dress, carry themselves, etc.
Nicname, please tell me you're kidding. Please.
Edit to add: My original quoted post came off pretty callous. It doesn't reflect my feelings on the situation. I have made several posts in this thread with a similar gist to this current one.
It's a hard thing for me to say. Just typing it makes me uncomfortable, but it is part of the solution. It's not excusing others for lumping people into groups or deeming the whole equal to a small minority of people that cause problems.
It's not a one-way street. Cops are going to have to bring about change with in their ranks. Deplorable behavior by police should also be rebuked. They need to be involved in the communities they serve. That means get to know your citizens, develop friendships, relationships, actually live the phrase "protect and serve." But the people in the community have to do their part as well. There should be no tolerance for the small groups of individuals casting a negative light on everyone else. There should be a concerted effort by anyone with pride and sense to distance themselves from anything that would associate them with those causing problems.
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Two men, contractors working in the area, said Brown had his hands up. Video at the link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.
And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.
An exclusive video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.
"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.
The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.
That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."
The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.
The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."
The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.
The men said they didn't see how the confrontation started.
Police arrest Michael Brown protesters near interstate
Other witnesses also said teen's arms were raised
An attorney for the man who filmed the video says it was recorded 40 seconds after the shooting.
The video gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.
The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.
Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.
A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.
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awful
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no indictment in toledo wal-mart murder, holy crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
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no indictment in toledo wal-mart murder, holy crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk
Awful. How do cops not get punished for this stuff?
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http://www.inquisitr.com/1464363/walmart-shooting-john-crawford-911/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1464363/walmart-shooting-john-crawford-911/) :frown:
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They should prosecute whoever called 911 and lied about what they saw.
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In addition to the cop(s), obviously.
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another.
:frown:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/truly-shocking-video-cop-shoots-black-man-no-apparent-reason
At least this guy got fired and charged w/ aggravated assault
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another.
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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/truly-shocking-video-cop-shoots-black-man-no-apparent-reason
At least this guy got fired and charged w/ aggravated assault
Jesus eff. :sdeek:
When I've been pulled over I put the keys on the dash and kept both hands on the wheel, and when prompted to give ID/insurance I've asked if it's okay to get in my glove box. Cops seem annoyed when I do this but it seems that's the only way to not get shot (if you're black).
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another.
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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/truly-shocking-video-cop-shoots-black-man-no-apparent-reason
At least this guy got fired and charged w/ aggravated assault
:sdeek:
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My word...
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another.
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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/truly-shocking-video-cop-shoots-black-man-no-apparent-reason
At least this guy got fired and charged w/ aggravated assault
Jesus eff. :sdeek:
When I've been pulled over I put the keys on the dash and kept both hands on the wheel, and when prompted to give ID/insurance I've asked if it's okay to get in my glove box. Cops seem annoyed when I do this but it seems that's the only way to not get shot (if you're black).
I just pop open the glove box and grab my registration as fast as I can. I'm white, so I don't have to worry about getting murdered on the side of the road, and I have places to go.
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I like to drop the "do you know who I am"
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I got pulled over once for having the tag light out. I made sure to roll my eyes at the officer and let him know that he was wasting both my time and his while was grabbing the registration out of the glove box.
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If black, I would have been dead like ten times over for crap I did in HS. rough ridin' appalling.
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He shot him even after his hands were up and he was backing away.
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another.
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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/truly-shocking-video-cop-shoots-black-man-no-apparent-reason
At least this guy got fired and charged w/ aggravated assault
Jesus eff. :sdeek:
When I've been pulled over I put the keys on the dash and kept both hands on the wheel, and when prompted to give ID/insurance I've asked if it's okay to get in my glove box. Cops seem annoyed when I do this but it seems that's the only way to not get shot (if you're black).
I just pop open the glove box and grab my registration as fast as I can. I'm white, so I don't have to worry about getting murdered on the side of the road, and I have places to go.
The last time I was pulled over the cop didn't even ask for proof of insurance. I don't think it's cause I'm white though. He was more in a hurry to write as many tickets as possible. The whole stop took about 90 seconds. "improper right turn" by the way. That was a nice way to fork over 250. :facepalm:
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ksuw is white?!? :sdeek:
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
Oh my God. Honey, did you see this? Apparently, the police have been beating up Negros like hotcakes. It's in the main issue!
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
Oh my God. Honey, did you see this? Apparently, the police have been beating up Negros like hotcakes. It's in the main issue!
:blank:
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:D
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
I think Ferguson definitely increased awareness.
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
I think Ferguson definitely increased awareness.
but like the king beating was a big deal and it was barbaric and wrong in 8 million ways but even they didn't say hey you think what we should probably do is just shoot this guy dead. i mean it seems different/worse. dunno.
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
I think Ferguson definitely increased awareness.
but like the king beating was a big deal and it was barbaric and wrong in 8 million ways but even they didn't say hey you think what we should probably do is just shoot this guy dead. i mean it seems different/worse. dunno.
Well it's really hard to tell if it's any worse because police departments have never been required to report how many people their officers kill. Which is kind of mind-blowing.
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
I think Ferguson definitely increased awareness.
but like the king beating was a big deal and it was barbaric and wrong in 8 million ways but even they didn't say hey you think what we should probably do is just shoot this guy dead. i mean it seems different/worse. dunno.
Well it's really hard to tell if it's any worse because police departments have never been required to report how many people their officers kill. Which is kind of mind-blowing.
JMHO but I think cops are more aggressive and trigger happy in a post 9/11 world. Department of Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act beefed up everyone
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what the eff is going on? are cops getting like 50,000 cop points or something for shooting unarmed black men or am i just seeing this more because of the increase in cameras and the internet.
I think Ferguson definitely increased awareness.
but like the king beating was a big deal and it was barbaric and wrong in 8 million ways but even they didn't say hey you think what we should probably do is just shoot this guy dead. i mean it seems different/worse. dunno.
The King beating was just a big deal because it validated all the criticism against the LAPD. Kind of a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU THIS crap WAS GOING ON! NOW THROW THE BOOK AT THEM!" moment. Killings (or "murders," what have you) like the one against Brown are a bit different because we can't see them. It's almost as if the country has the same intense suspicion and distrust of police as people did in LA just prior to King.
Imagine if there was video footage of the Mike Brown killing and it was as bad as it sounds. I'd the riots would be on a much larger scale than just Ferguson.
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Did anyone at least smile at my dave chappelle quote?
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So how do we get cops to go back to the days of protecting and serving instead of regulating and enforcing? Is it possible to take the "us vs them" mentality out of the police force? Seems like that mindset is spreading. Do the police academies need to be more stringent on who they let through? Is that enough? I'm not sure the militarization is the main cause since a lot of the shootings involve the officer's handgun rather than automatics.
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Did anyone at least smile at my dave chappelle quote?
It was perfect.
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So how do we get cops to go back to the days of protecting and serving instead of regulating and enforcing? Is it possible to take the "us vs them" mentality out of the police force? Seems like that mindset is spreading. Do the police academies need to be more stringent on who they let through? Is that enough? I'm not sure the militarization is the main cause since a lot of the shootings involve the officer's handgun rather than automatics.
IMO you pretty much need to completely throw out both the way we train officers and the way we utilize them, including treating black folks like they treat white folks and hopefully gaining the trust of black communities for the first time in history.
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So how do we get cops to go back to the days of protecting and serving instead of regulating and enforcing? Is it possible to take the "us vs them" mentality out of the police force? Seems like that mindset is spreading. Do the police academies need to be more stringent on who they let through? Is that enough? I'm not sure the militarization is the main cause since a lot of the shootings involve the officer's handgun rather than automatics.
I'd be curious to know if the rate of officer shootings is higher among officers with military experience vs no military experience.
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So how do we get cops to go back to the days of protecting and serving instead of regulating and enforcing? Is it possible to take the "us vs them" mentality out of the police force? Seems like that mindset is spreading. Do the police academies need to be more stringent on who they let through? Is that enough? I'm not sure the militarization is the main cause since a lot of the shootings involve the officer's handgun rather than automatics.
Ending the drug war, and the no knock swat raids, would be a step in the right direction
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So how do we get cops to go back to the days of protecting and serving instead of regulating and enforcing? Is it possible to take the "us vs them" mentality out of the police force? Seems like that mindset is spreading. Do the police academies need to be more stringent on who they let through? Is that enough? I'm not sure the militarization is the main cause since a lot of the shootings involve the officer's handgun rather than automatics.
I'd be curious to know if the rate of officer shootings is higher among officers with military experience vs no military experience.
yeah, no one has ever tracked those rates.
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no one even keeps track of how many cops blast civilians
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If I was a cop I'd just put little notches on the stock of my AR to keep track. Might even hang the scalps from the handguard.
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
Almost all of them were in Boy Scouts and got C's and D's on multiple choice tests.
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
Favorite band: Linkin Park
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
Favorite band: Linkin Park
Likes nulogo.
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
Favorite band: Linkin Park
Runner up: Nickleback
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I mean, everyone just think back to high school and which people from your class are now cops. really the cream of the crop right? the people who are cops are people that barely graduated from HS and were just above the career criminal types. these are the people we're loading down with guns and telling to boss everyone around.
. My classmates who became cops carried guns in their pickups, and killed every animal or critter that they could. I live near the KS police officer training facility - they practice shooting into a pile of dirt. They can protect us against dirt, but bad guys not so sure. My problem is why do people riot when these things happen.
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lol @ you dumbasses being amazed at cops abusing, shooting and killing people. lol @ acting like it only happens to black people. lol @ thinking it's wrong to riot in response to police abuses.
video cameras in every phone and most cop car dashboards are the best thing to ever happen to police behavior there ever was. lol @ thinking that police abuse is happening more now than in earlier years.
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cops only abuse dumbasses who somehow manage to have run-ins with cops
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cops only abuse dumbasses who somehow manage to have run-ins with cops
KC they shot that dude in a walmart, for picking up an item that is sold at Wal Mart and standing there
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cops only abuse dumbasses who somehow manage to have run-ins with cops
KC they shot that dude in a walmart, for picking up an item that is sold at Wal Mart and standing there
i haven't looked at the story, i'm just speaking in general
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video cameras in every phone and most cop car dashboards are the best thing to ever happen to police behavior there ever was. lol @ thinking that police abuse is happening more now than in earlier years.
Yep. Friend of mine growing up's dad was a cop before they moved to my town. This was mid '80's. When I was a late teen, was talking about him to my dad and was informed that the guy was kicked off of some small town police force for giving a BJ or Ticket ultimatum to many a female driver. He never got prosecuted or anything, which tells me it happened often enough for his boss to realize it wasn't some raving pissed off woman, it was something that was actually probably happening. Also, surprise! He was a huge eff head.
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Uh oh
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I don't really have a problem with police officers killing kids who are shooting at them.
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I don't really have a problem with police officers killing kids who are shooting at them.
Yeah, thuggy as cops can sometimes be, this doesn't seem very controversial.
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What if Obama orders the police to take away your guns?
They can pry them from my cold dead hands imo
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My judge isn't registered, so I would have nothing to worry about under such a doomsday scenario.
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video cameras in every phone and most cop car dashboards are the best thing to ever happen to police behavior there ever was. lol @ thinking that police abuse is happening more now than in earlier years.
Yep. Friend of mine growing up's dad was a cop before they moved to my town. This was mid '80's. When I was a late teen, was talking about him to my dad and was informed that the guy was kicked off of some small town police force for giving a BJ or Ticket ultimatum to many a female driver. He never got prosecuted or anything, which tells me it happened often enough for his boss to realize it wasn't some raving pissed off woman, it was something that was actually probably happening. Also, surprise! He was a huge eff head.
Apparently police rape is pretty common in Oklahoma. The solution apparently is for women to just obey traffic laws.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/ok-trooper-tells-local-news-best-way-not-to-get-raped-by-cops-is-to-follow-the-law/
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cops only abuse dumbasses who somehow manage to have run-ins with cops
This. We need more cops so we can eradicate dumbassery. People that are scared of cops are all dumbasses, ftr.
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Am I being detained?
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gah!
In between these two periods of 40+ hours was a flashpoint: the raid itself. The task force shot Hooks dead in his own home, pursuing the self-serving pipe dreams of a meth addict. The SWAT team broke down the back door and fired "no less than 16 shots" at David Hooks, some blindly through an adjacent wall. Hooks had every right to pick up his weapon and investigate this second home invasion. But in doing so, he gave every raiding officer all the justification needed to shoot first -- and shoot often.
He's too dead to be charged with forcing law enforcement weapons to discharge (because they fire themselves so often in official police statements), and he died as the result of a speedy judge-jury-executioner process that hinged on the arbitrary credulity of the Sheriff's Department and its drug task force. To call this willing suspension of disbelief an "investigation" is to strip the word of all meaning. (And beat it. And send it naked and bruised into the harsh winter, etc.) A late-night raid has all sort of deadly implications that could have been avoided by an actual investigation. Now, the department has blood on its hands and a lawyer on its trail -- all because a burglar told some law enforcement officers whatever came to mind during his interrogation.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141004/15443628731/swat-team-raids-house-kills-homeowner-because-criminal-who-burglarized-house-told-them-to.shtml
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No knock raids like this have got to stop.
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Former St. Louis County Police Chief continues his serious of highly inappropriate interviews. http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released/)
FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) – Information about the Michael Brown fatal police shooting is beginning to leak out, and former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it’s no accident the feds are allowing the information.
Fitch discussed a New York Times article indicating, according to federal investigators, there was a struggle that led up to the fatal police shooting of Brown, with KMOX’s Mark Reardon on Monday.
Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two – to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly,” he says. “When I say this is phase two – phase one was really Eric Holder’s announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.”
Fitch says he thinks the feds recognize that it’s “probably very unlikely” that there’s going to be charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
“There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he says. “So the fact that he didn’t have his own doesn’t mean there wasn’t a weapon there available that could be used in deadly force use.”
Fitch may well be right, but he needs to shut the eff up. His commentary as a former area police chief is not helping to smooth tensions.
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I read that Brown's sweat, or blood, or something, was found on the gun, indicating there was a struggle for the weapon. Given the distance btwn the two at the time of the shooting, that would reinforce the story of the struggle for the gun in the car. Even w that, there is still a really big problem with the fact that brown was unarmed and away from Wilson when shot.
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I read that Brown's sweat, or blood, or something, was found on the gun, indicating there was a struggle for the weapon. Given the distance btwn the two at the time of the shooting, that would reinforce the story of the struggle for the gun in the car. Even w that, there is still a really big problem with the fact that brown was unarmed and away from Wilson when shot.
True, but if there were a struggle for the gun, Wilson could have been disoriented and in fear for his life. It wouldn't take long at all for Brown to get to the distance he was shot at. It's really weird that Brown was still facing him, though.
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I read that Brown's sweat, or blood, or something, was found on the gun, indicating there was a struggle for the weapon. Given the distance btwn the two at the time of the shooting, that would reinforce the story of the struggle for the gun in the car. Even w that, there is still a really big problem with the fact that brown was unarmed and away from Wilson when shot.
True, but if there were a struggle for the gun, Wilson could have been disoriented and in fear for his life. It wouldn't take long at all for Brown to get to the distance he was shot at. It's really weird that Brown was still facing him, though.
CNN has a story right now that says that Brown was shot in the hand at close range and that Wilson says he shot twice in a struggle at the car and then killed Brown when Brown turned around and charged him. I don't know what distance we are talking about, but that is still a problem, imo.
I can say that there is pretty much no way that Wilson gets charged. Furguson is going to explode.
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The burden of proof is much lower for indictment than for conviction. There's no way he'll be convicted, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is indicted, and it might even be appropriate. We're not privy to everything being presented to the GJ.
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I read that Brown's sweat, or blood, or something, was found on the gun, indicating there was a struggle for the weapon. Given the distance btwn the two at the time of the shooting, that would reinforce the story of the struggle for the gun in the car. Even w that, there is still a really big problem with the fact that brown was unarmed and away from Wilson when shot.
True, but if there were a struggle for the gun, Wilson could have been disoriented and in fear for his life. It wouldn't take long at all for Brown to get to the distance he was shot at. It's really weird that Brown was still facing him, though.
CNN has a story right now that says that Brown was shot in the hand at close range and that Wilson says he shot twice in a struggle at the car and then killed Brown when Brown turned around and charged him. I don't know what distance we are talking about, but that is still a problem, imo.
I can say that there is pretty much no way that Wilson gets charged. Furguson is going to explode.
Charging the officer with murder in that situation would just be wrong. Charging him with anything would, really. Of course, that might not have really been what happened.
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they should indict him just for the sake of transparency and due diligence. then the 24 hour news cycle can dissect every piece of evidence and every word and every eyebrow twitch until everyone is thoroughly bored with the whole thing and nobody even cares anymore.
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Outside of Furguson and St Louis, themselves, the boredom thing seems to already have happened nationally. Furguston and St. Louis, on the other hand, are still going strong.
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“There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he says.
Seems like you could cut officer killings in half if you took away their guns
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“There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he says.
Seems like you could cut officer killings in half if you took away their guns
Yeah. There really isn't any reason for officers to be carrying lethal rounds. They should have rubber bullets.
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can you imagine the look on the crook's face the next time he wrestles a gun away from a cop, shoots him, and then finds out it was a non lethal round?
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What a pickle.
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Anyone else see the video of the protester blaming the Jews for covering up what really happened? Can't remember where I saw it sadly.
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Anyone else see the video of the protester blaming the Jews for covering up what really happened? Can't remember where I saw it sadly.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgGOB31d.gif&hash=da18c83dcc0dd3bb780d065f79ab7992e040b7ae)
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Anyone else see the video of the protester blaming the Jews for covering up what really happened? Can't remember where I saw it sadly.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgGOB31d.gif&hash=da18c83dcc0dd3bb780d065f79ab7992e040b7ae)
LOL, i was just coming over to post the one that has subtitles
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-BKMuSdM9DF0%2FU-5V-9H9tnI%2FAAAAAAAAXQY%2FqnJHr-QcKLo%2Fs1600%2Fthe%252Bjews%252Bdid%252Bthis.gif&hash=08a0ff47c9e257af9240b2ef34ad88ed683227ef)
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Yeah I'm gonna need to see that blaming the Jews video and also an explanation about that gif
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and also an explanation about that gif
fairly popular meme. he's actually saying "injustice" in Portuguese
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Soccer bros are such whiners. I bet he flopped after that and just laid on his back faking an injury. He's too hairless too.
This is what a man looks like:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.timeinc.net%2Fpeople%2Fi%2F2013%2Fsandbox%2Fnews%2F131202%2Fmoustache-monday%2Ftom-selleck-600x450.jpg&hash=9dadac09c9ec8c859c254dcb98b7a53f9377dbc4)
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White kids rioting in San Francisco because a baseball team won a game, no one cares
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White kids rioting in San Francisco because a baseball team won a game, no one cares
I care Rusty, I care. Kansas Citians wouldn't have rioted last night if we had won, because we're good people who deserve good things. The wrong team won last night.
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White kids rioting in San Francisco because a baseball team won a game, no one cares
Horsing around.
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A relative's fiance (black dude) gave my 93 year old grandma a black Chief's hoodie for her birthday, and he told her if she gets pulled over wearing it to just put her hands up and yell don't shoot me don't shoot me.
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seems like sound advice. He cares.
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White kids rioting in San Francisco because a baseball team won a game, no one cares
Horsing around.
"Rowdy World Series Celebrations"
http://m.wisn.com/sports/san-francisco-police-deal-with-rowdy-world-series-celebrations/29426704
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/article3606960.html#/tabPane=tabs-7bc79310-1 (http://www.kansascity.com/news/article3606960.html#/tabPane=tabs-7bc79310-1)
FERGUSON, MO.
Ferguson police are investigating a fight between members of Michael Brown Jr.'s family over sales of memorial T-shirts honoring the police shooting victim.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that Pearlie Gordon told police she was "repeatedly struck in the back and left side of the head" on Oct. 18 while selling "Justice for Mike Brown" shirts outside a restaurant.
Gordon is the mother of Michael Brown Sr.'s wife. She told police that the group of 20 people who confronted her and two others included Lesley McSpadden, Michael Brown Jr.'s mother. She said $1,500 in merchandise and $400 were stolen in the incident.
A lawyer for McSpadden told the newspaper her client did not assault Gordon or another man who was taken by ambulance to the hospital after the fight.
Huh. Sounds like a pretty effective way to crack down on a trademark violation.
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With a family like that, definitely deserved to be gunned down
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How dare a mother get upset when someone is making money off her slain son. those people are just savages, right ksuw?
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How dare a mother get upset when someone is making money off her slain son. those people are just savages, right ksuw?
I wasn't actually criticizing the mom.
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How dare a mother get upset when someone is making money off her slain son. those people are just savages, right ksuw?
So was this his grandmother selling the t-shirts? Step grandmother?
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Was this like a turf war or something?
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How dare a mother get upset when someone is making money off her slain son. those people are just savages, right ksuw?
So was this his grandmother selling the t-shirts? Step grandmother?
I think step-grandma, if that's a thing.
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Was this like a turf war or something?
Yes, black people were involved so it was obviously gang related
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How dare a mother get upset when someone is making money off her slain son. those people are just savages, right ksuw?
So was this his grandmother selling the t-shirts? Step grandmother?
I think step-grandma, if that's a thing.
Look at how they don't keep their nuclear families together
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What a crazy volcano of crap that is about to blow. MO Governor has a small army on standby. Shop owners are boarding up shop windows, and now the Klan is occupying buildings armed to the teeth. No telling what will happen when the grand jury decides about the policeman's guilt. My bet is innocent, holy hell riots throughout the Metro, more people killed, and no advancement of race relations. I blame Obama and Holder for stirring the flames. Finally too many people use these situations to loot. . I guess it is theberserk code of the ghetto.
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GJ doesn't decide guilt or innocence - just whether there's probable cause to indict. I still wouldn't be surprised if he's indicted on something.
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Surveillance film of cop after shooting shows not visible injuries
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What a crazy volcano of crap that is about to blow. MO Governor has a small army on standby. Shop owners are boarding up shop windows, and now the Klan is occupying buildings armed to the teeth. No telling what will happen when the grand jury decides about the policeman's guilt. My bet is innocent, holy hell riots throughout the Metro, more people killed, and no advancement of race relations. I blame Obama and Holder for stirring the flames. Finally too many people use these situations to loot. . I guess it is theberserk code of the ghetto.
You'd feel different if he was your friend, or son, or brother.
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Waaaaaaaaaaay different renocat
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What a crazy volcano of crap that is about to blow. MO Governor has a small army on standby. Shop owners are boarding up shop windows, and now the Klan is occupying buildings armed to the teeth. No telling what will happen when the grand jury decides about the policeman's guilt. My bet is innocent, holy hell riots throughout the Metro, more people killed, and no advancement of race relations. I blame Obama and Holder for stirring the flames. Finally too many people use these situations to loot. . I guess it is theberserk code of the ghetto.
You'd feel different if he was your friend, or son, or brother.
Thats a pretty terrible standard. Also let's not conveniently forget the fact that "Mike Mike" was a thug thug. That doesn't give the cop license to kill in all instances, but don't try to polish up this dumbass.
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It is being reported towns all over America are bracing for riots if the policeman is not charged. I would be pissed if my son was shot by police because he would not be doing drugs, robbing stores, and trying to fight the police. If he had, I would try to apologize to the public, and plead people not to loot and burn down everything in sight.
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It is being reported towns all over America are bracing for riots if the policeman is not charged. I would be pissed if my son was shot by police because he would not be doing drugs, robbing stores, and trying to fight the police. If he had, I would try to apologize to the public, and plead people not to loot and burn down everything in sight.
Your son sounds like kind of a wimp
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From a St. Louis blog. Puzzling. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course/)
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From a St. Louis blog. Puzzling. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course/)
It wasn't on his daily schedule! :runaway:
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what a non-story
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obama wants the protesters to stay on course? unbelievable.
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What will they be protesting if the Grand Jury, after scrutinizing all of the evidence, says the shooting was justified?
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What was Obama referring to when he said the protestors need to "stay on course"? Granted, this was being relayed by Al Sharpton, so it's entirely possible that something was lost in translation. Google: Al Sharpton vs the teleprompter
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It is being reported towns all over America are bracing for riots if the policeman is not charged. I would be pissed if my son was shot by police because he would not be doing drugs, robbing stores, and trying to fight the police. If he had, I would try to apologize to the public, and plead people not to loot and burn down everything in sight.
His parents have done that, a lot.
If I still lived in Kansas I'd burn your house down out of general principle. I mean if we're all thugs I may as well get some pleasure out of it.
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Renocat lives in a 2 bedroom apartment with 8 other guys
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Surveillance film of cop after shooting shows not visible injuries
Probably cause he defended himself in time.
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Renocat lives in a 2 bedroom apartment with 8 other guys
:lol:
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
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Where are we at now? Indictment of some type of crime has a pretty decent chance, but conviction of said crime is slim to none? So we're bracing for impact at the response of those whose minds have already been made up over the guilt or innocence of Wilson?
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Where are we at now? Indictment of some type of crime has a pretty decent chance, but conviction of said crime is slim to none? So we're bracing for impact at the response of those whose minds have already been made up over the guilt or innocence of Wilson?
Yes. The evidence that has been leaked to this point makes indictment seem like a waste of time, but maybe there is more evidence we haven't seen. :dunno:
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Where are we at now? Indictment of some type of crime has a pretty decent chance, but conviction of said crime is slim to none? So we're bracing for impact at the response of those whose minds have already been made up over the guilt or innocence of Wilson?
Yes. The evidence that has been leaked to this point makes indictment seem like a waste of time, but maybe there is more evidence we haven't seen. :dunno:
So basically an indictment is just delaying the inevitable reaction. Seems it's time for leaders, both elected and non, to simmer emotions. How to they do it? Beats me. I might suggest getting thorough explanations of the reasoning behind the decisions made, which they'll probably do. That won't help any though, and will probably make things worse.
It's too easy to go from "he's guilty" in someone's mind, to "the system is flawed."
I do think what should have been done immediately after initial incidents, is for community law enforcement, not only in STL County, but across the country, to take an active roll in reducing the adversarial role that police and citizens in these communities have with one another. Ex. more foot patrols, more face-to-face interaction, knowing people's names and faces.
Sure, the war on drugs is another topic in a way, but it is pretty prevalent here imo. Many are going to be disappointed however the case ends up. It's a terrible incident in a completely messed up situation and setting of larger proportions. The silver lining of Brown getting shot by Wilson, whatever the circumstances, should be improved attempts at fostering a better relationship on both sides, and that too should be at a nationwide level.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
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Surveillance film of cop after shooting shows not visible injuries
Probably cause he defended himself in time.
Except there are several claims out there that he had his face busted
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Surveillance film of cop after shooting shows not visible injuries
Probably cause he defended himself in time.
Except there are several claims out there that he had his face busted
Usually takes several hours for bruising to be dark enough for a shitty black and white surveillance camera to pick up.
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Surveillance film of cop after shooting shows not visible injuries
Probably cause he defended himself in time.
Except there are several claims out there that he had his face busted
Usually takes several hours for bruising to be dark enough for a shitty black and white surveillance camera to pick up.
Link?
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What was Obama referring to when he said the protestors need to "stay on course"? Granted, this was being relayed by Al Sharpton, so it's entirely possible that something was lost in translation. Google: Al Sharpton vs the teleprompter
The Justice Department has forced the Ferguson PD and surrounding to communicate with the community in order to keep further rioting at bay.
Keeping "on course" is (I believe) referring to the dialogue that the local constabulary and community had about not pulling out the MRAPS and drawing down on largely civil crowds. Which they did during the daytime hours prior to the nightime riots in September.
The Ferguson PD has largely ignored the huge perception problem they have on the community. As things calmed after the riots the PD has had daily communication with community leaders on how to identify and safely remove the agitators that have stoked the riot flames.
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Where are we at now? Indictment of some type of crime has a pretty decent chance, but conviction of said crime is slim to none? So we're bracing for impact at the response of those whose minds have already been made up over the guilt or innocence of Wilson?
Yes. The evidence that has been leaked to this point makes indictment seem like a waste of time, but maybe there is more evidence we haven't seen. :dunno:
So basically an indictment is just delaying the inevitable reaction. Seems it's time for leaders, both elected and non, to simmer emotions. How to they do it? Beats me. I might suggest getting thorough explanations of the reasoning behind the decisions made, which they'll probably do. That won't help any though, and will probably make things worse.
It's too easy to go from "he's guilty" in someone's mind, to "the system is flawed."
So like, for example, it probably doesn't help that America's outgoing chief law enforcement officer is comparing Michael Brown to Emmett Till. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/11/17/eric_holder_likens_michael_brown_to_emmett_till_the_struggle_goes_on.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/11/17/eric_holder_likens_michael_brown_to_emmett_till_the_struggle_goes_on.html)
JFC. He's just another race huckster not unlike Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson et al, but with a better education.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/17/Organizers-Train-Newly-Minted-Protesters-in-St-Louis (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/17/Organizers-Train-Newly-Minted-Protesters-in-St-Louis)
Protesters anxiously awaiting the St. Louis grand jury decision relating to the shooting death of 18-year-old Mike Brown have been training activists all weekend in preparation for the day the grand jury makes an announcement about whether to indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson for Brown’s death.
In a small room located on South Jefferson Avenue in a building used by IUOE Local 148, organizers like Rev. Osagyefo Sekou are instructing groups of individuals about tactics relating to resisting police commands during demonstrations. Sekou is a St. Louis native who grew up in the area but now lives in Massachusetts.
Topics covered by organizers like Sekou as well as Deray McKesson and others included decentralized protest actions, jail support, first aid, legal issues, as well as staying safe on the streets during demonstrations.
McKesson explains, “Today we’ll talk about what it means about decentralized actions. So one of the four parts of what we’re doing is we are not actually telling you where to go or what to do or anything to do with most of your actions. We have some central things planned, but the power of this movement has been with really strong decentralized actions.”
Sekou however, kicks off the training with audience responses to questions he asks.
Sekou says to the group, “Our task in part is, in addition to all the information is get a sense as to why we are here. We are part of the guiding principles for this movement. It’s militant non-violent civil disobedience. Can you please say that?”
Attendees respond, “militant non-violent civil disobedience.”
Sekou continues, “And we use the word ‘militant’ as opposed to the word ‘passive’ non-violent civil disobedience, because we are about a direct encounter with the state to create drama to show that we are willing to take a risk in confronting the state because of injustice. Right?”
Attendees reply, “Right.”
There's a lot more if you can stomach it.
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How dare they teach non-violence and first aid
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
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When the GJ comes back with no indictment the condemnation of the protestors in this thread will be pretty hardcore
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
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I think his point is that the entire Ferguson PD is NOT all white, there is a black officer, and he is a rapist.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
After you explain why the black guy raped this girl, tell me why Kobe took 34 shots yesterday.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
After you explain why the black guy raped this girl, tell me why Kobe took 34 shots yesterday.
Oh nose, they killed the mamba too?! Those badtards :frown:
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
After you explain why the black guy raped this girl, tell me why Kobe took 34 shots yesterday.
They cant help themselves from trying to score
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Were her hands up? Or was she grabbing for his gun? Sounds fishy, i'm gonna wait to protest until the prosecutor weighs in.
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I think his point is that the entire Ferguson PD is NOT all white, there is a black officer, and he is a rapist.
So is he saying I am a rapist cause I'm the lone black voice in this thread filled with crackers?
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
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I think his point is that the entire Ferguson PD is NOT all white, there is a black officer, and he is a rapist.
So is he saying I am a rapist cause I'm the lone black voice in this thread filled with crackers?
i would never put words in anyone's mouth
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
Woah, woah, woah. Woah. Hold on there, bucko. It was certainly not my intent to impugn you as a rapist. You just seem to take black/white issues more personally than most in the Pit, so I was trying to commiserate with you. Yeesh - this is what I get for trying to be nice...
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
??? Oh - you're still talking about the protest thing. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech. It doesn't protect goading PD into physical confrontations just to create a media spectacle. At that point, your best protection would be the 8th Amendment...
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
??? Oh - you're still talking about the protest thing. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech. It doesn't protect goading PD into physical confrontations just to create a media spectacle. At that point, your best protection would be the 8th Amendment...
I think this type of freedom of speech is more in line with what the founding fathers had in mind while creating the first amendment than campaign contributions are.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/11/17/ferguson-police-officer-raped-woman-in-jail.html
I thought the Ferguson PD was "mostly white", and now the one black officer is a rapist? Damn, MIR, we can't seem to catch a break here. :facepalm:
Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
Woah, woah, woah. Woah. Hold on there, bucko. It was certainly not my intent to impugn you as a rapist. You just seem to take black/white issues more personally than most in the Pit, so I was trying to commiserate with you. Yeesh - this is what I get for trying to be nice...
:lol: This is absolutely the most white privileged thing I have ever heard or read, so grats for that.
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Can someone let me know why I was @'ed here? Was K-S-U-W one of those people earlier ITT insisting that black people have spokesmen? I guess this makes sense now.
Rhetorical ?
Maybe? I mean part of me is dumbfounded that he expects me to answer to this or that he immediately thought of me, as if I am a convicted or even accused rapist. But then I'm somewhat aware of his body of work and I know that he expects me to make an excuse for a rapist because he's black.
Woah, woah, woah. Woah. Hold on there, bucko. It was certainly not my intent to impugn you as a rapist. You just seem to take black/white issues more personally than most in the Pit, so I was trying to commiserate with you. Yeesh - this is what I get for trying to be nice...
:lol: This is absolutely the most white privileged thing I have ever heard or read, so grats for that.
MIR just "white privilege"d me! :love:
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Here's something that should surprise nobody, society doesn't care when a junky criminal gets shot. Whether it's a cop or another junky criminal who does the shooting is irrelevant. Stop feigning outrage
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
??? Oh - you're still talking about the protest thing. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech. It doesn't protect goading PD into physical confrontations just to create a media spectacle. At that point, your best protection would be the 8th Amendment...
Yeah, they are goading the guys in full combat gear and MRAP's.
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
??? Oh - you're still talking about the protest thing. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech. It doesn't protect goading PD into physical confrontations just to create a media spectacle. At that point, your best protection would be the 8th Amendment...
Yeah, they are goading the guys in full combat gear and MRAP's.
...who are only there because stores and other property are being torched/looted. If I had to face down roving packs of thugs, I'd prolly want some protective gear, too.
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Well this isn't going to help matters... http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2qOx3gIYAEIVno.jpg)
So on the one hand, we've got race baiters like Al Sharpton and Eric Holder comparing Mike Mike to Emmett Till, and on the other side, we've got white people telling protestors to stop looting and pull their pants up. Know what's awesome about electing Obama twice? How far we've come in terms of having that "dialogue" about race. (But I know, that's just my "privilege" speaking).
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interesting that ksuw hates our constitution
??? Oh - you're still talking about the protest thing. The 1st Amendment protects freedom of speech. It doesn't protect goading PD into physical confrontations just to create a media spectacle. At that point, your best protection would be the 8th Amendment...
Yeah, they are goading the guys in full combat gear and MRAP's.
...who are only there because stores and other property are being torched/looted. If I had to face down roving packs of thugs, I'd prolly want some protective gear, too.
Why not drones then? I also think the MRAPs could be replaced by tanks. They are coddling these thugs
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When non-gE'rs call K-S-U-W a racist, does he claim MIR as his black friend?
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I'm just catching up in this thread, so help me out, please. MIR is BLACK????!!!
Gonna win 'em all!
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Well this isn't going to help matters... http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2qOx3gIYAEIVno.jpg)
So on the one hand, we've got race baiters like Al Sharpton and Eric Holder comparing Mike Mike to Emmett Till, and on the other side, we've got white people telling protestors to stop looting and pull their pants up. Know what's awesome about electing Obama twice? How far we've come in terms of having that "dialogue" about race. (But I know, that's just my "privilege" speaking).
yeah I look at this and think sharpton and holder are the "race baiters"
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When non-gE'rs call K-S-U-W a racist, does he claim MIR as his black friend?
Nah, I don't think that counts. For all I know, MIR could be some 15yo albino white kid bbs'n from his mom's basement pretending to be black.
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When non-gE'rs call K-S-U-W a racist, does he claim MIR as his black friend?
Nah, I don't think that counts. For all I know, MIR could be some 15yo albino white kid bbs'n from his mom's basement pretending to be black.
If someone pretends to be black, are they still rape/loot crazy?
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I'm shocked that KSUW's account doesn't have a feature on it that autocorrects "thugs" to the n word, because that's basically what he means.
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Well this isn't going to help matters... http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2qOx3gIYAEIVno.jpg)
So on the one hand, we've got race baiters like Al Sharpton and Eric Holder comparing Mike Mike to Emmett Till, and on the other side, we've got white people telling protestors to stop looting and pull their pants up. Know what's awesome about electing Obama twice? How far we've come in terms of having that "dialogue" about race. (But I know, that's just my "privilege" speaking).
what does that billboard have to do with Obama?
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
It was extremly weird timing for that to come out. Especially since it was like a year ago.
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
It was extremly weird timing for that to come out. Especially since it was like a year ago.
Its like, yes our white cops are horrible, but so are our black ones! See we're just incompetent psychopathic crazies, but we do this as a police squad not divided by race! We terrorize our citizens, both our black AND white cops
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
It was extremly weird timing for that to come out. Especially since it was like a year ago.
Its like, yes our white cops are horrible, but so are our black ones! See we're just incompetent psychopathic crazies, but we do this as a police squad not divided by race! We terrorize our citizens, both our black AND white cops
The cop who shot the kid isn't racist, though. He has a black friend who rapes people.
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
It was extremly weird timing for that to come out. Especially since it was like a year ago.
Its like, yes our white cops are horrible, but so are our black ones! See we're just incompetent psychopathic crazies, but we do this as a police squad not divided by race! We terrorize our citizens, both our black AND white cops
The cop who shot the kid isn't racist, though. He has a black friend who rapes people.
Easy there, he has a black peer who rapes people.
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
:lol:
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I'm just catching up in this thread, so help me out, please. MIR is BLACK????!!!
Gonna win 'em all!
Need a link.
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
Huh, I thought it was because they took their belts away in jail.
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
Huh, I thought it was because they took their belts away in jail.
It's just so much more fun to ignore the facts and call black guys gay too. Get in on the bashing!
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
Huh, I thought it was because they took their belts away in jail.
It's just so much more fun to ignore the facts and call black guys gay too. Get in on the bashing!
Now picture the guy in the picture is WHITE!
(Mathew McConaughey voice)
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Applaudible. It shouldn't be, but it is.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B21x2WnIQAEHkpD.jpg:large)
KWCH Pilar Pedraza ?@KWCHPilar 39m39 minutes ago
.@WichitaPolice going door to door, letting people know the community mtg at Fairmount Park starts soon. #kwch12
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what happened in wichita?
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I browsed the #pantsUPdontLOOT tweets and came across this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2wDKitCMAEeE6m.jpg)
I don't understand. Is that a question. It sounds kinda like a question, but is it.
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It's a question without a mark.
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rhetorical ?
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what happened in wichita?
Sorry, was going to edit first post to include that the photo was from police going door-to-door to remind people of a community meeting following the woman being beaten, burned etc.
It's not really related to Ferguson, but it is an example of the kind of police work that I've been talking about throughout this thread. Not that anyone noticed.
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Also, why does Ferguson having a black cop who rapes people somehow make a white cop shooting people ok? I didn't get the connection on that one.
I don't either. Who said that?
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I'm shocked that KSUW's account doesn't have a feature on it that autocorrects "thugs" to the n word, because that's basically what he means.
Are you saying that all the thug protestors are black? I don't think they are. That's a pretty racist assumption you just made there though. Check your privilege.
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Well this isn't going to help matters... http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/ (http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/darren-wilson-supporters-crowdfund-pantsupdontloot-ferguson-billboard/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2qOx3gIYAEIVno.jpg)
So on the one hand, we've got race baiters like Al Sharpton and Eric Holder comparing Mike Mike to Emmett Till, and on the other side, we've got white people telling protestors to stop looting and pull their pants up. Know what's awesome about electing Obama twice? How far we've come in terms of having that "dialogue" about race. (But I know, that's just my "privilege" speaking).
what does that billboard have to do with Obama?
Nothing.
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A truly excellent article on our corrupt Grand Jury process, and how the Ferguson case illustrates how it should be reformed. In summary, all accused should be entitled to the thorough presentation of evidence from both sides - but that is extremely rare, and is likely occuring here because of the DA's deference for a police officer.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/11/darren_wilson_grand_jury_ferguson_prosecutor_opens_proceedings_to_both_sides.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/11/darren_wilson_grand_jury_ferguson_prosecutor_opens_proceedings_to_both_sides.html)
Contrast with George Zimmerman, where the prosecutor skipped the GJ altogether.
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The key difference between the two cases to me is that GZ chased down a kid who had done nothing wrong and murdered him, while this cop probably didn't do anything illegal.
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I spent the week holed up in rural Nebraska, completely shut off from the world I completely missed this KKK vs Anonymous thing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/anonymous-kkk_n_6173332.html
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2014/nov/18/ku-klux-klan-twitter-hacked-hacktivists-anonymous-video
http://www.inquisitr.com/1623199/ferguson-anonymous-vows-to-release-evidence-linking-darren-wilson-to-the-kkk/
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A truly excellent article on our corrupt Grand Jury process, and how the Ferguson case illustrates how it should be reformed. In summary, all accused should be entitled to the thorough presentation of evidence from both sides - but that is extremely rare, and is likely occuring here because of the DA's deference for a police officer.
So a trial before the trial then?
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I'm shocked that KSUW's account doesn't have a feature on it that autocorrects "thugs" to the n word, because that's basically what he means.
Are you saying that all the thug protestors are black? I don't think they are. That's a pretty racist assumption you just made there though. Check your privilege.
:lol:
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A truly excellent article on our corrupt Grand Jury process, and how the Ferguson case illustrates how it should be reformed. In summary, all accused should be entitled to the thorough presentation of evidence from both sides - but that is extremely rare, and is likely occuring here because of the DA's deference for a police officer.
So a trial before the trial then?
I think there should be a pre-GJ proceeding to see if they go to a GJ.
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Sounds like the decision is coming today
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Hope so. Weekend looting is so much more fun.
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Hope so. Weekend looting is so much more fun.
Yeah, since the Cats and Chiefs have already played I really need something to keep me entertained.
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My cousin is a teacher in St. Louis area, and they are being told Sunday will be the announcement. Schools would be closed Monday and Tuesday. IMO there will be a riot similar to the race riots in the sixties. This has festered too long. Welcome to Hell Louis.
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St. LootUs
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My cousin is a teacher in St. Louis area, and they are being told Sunday will be the announcement. Schools would be closed Monday and Tuesday. IMO there will be a riot similar to the race riots in the sixties. This has festered too long. Welcome to Hell Louis.
The Word
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St. LootUs
:lol:
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I, for one, am looking forward to Rachel Maddow's coverage of the riots.
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I, for one, am looking forward to Rachel Maddow's coverage of the riots.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
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Wife's in St. Louis. Says there are a bajillion cops staying at her hotel.
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Anxious for tomorrow. Hoping for the best. Not optimistic. What are the solutions? It seems like preparing for war (my interpretation of armed vehicles, etc. is) isn't the best solution. Perhaps the adversarial relationship between police and citizens in the area warrants it. Again, what are the solutions? How do we fix it?
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Cleveland shooting happened at a BAD time
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Wife's in St. Louis. Says there are a bajillion cops staying at her hotel.
Male stripper convention
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Anxious for tomorrow. Hoping for the best. Not optimistic. What are the solutions? It seems like preparing for war (my interpretation of armed vehicles, etc. is) isn't the best solution. Perhaps the adversarial relationship between police and citizens in the area warrants it. Again, what are the solutions? How do we fix it?
Isnt it as simple as people protesting peacefully instead of provoking confrontation with cops for the tv cameras? Pffftttt :lol: I know that won't happen, but what if? Just what if.
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yup, don't provoke the police or they will kill you and can't be blamed for killing you.
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#ftp
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http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
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http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
That. Is. Amazing.
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yup, don't provoke the police or they will kill you and can't be blamed for killing you.
I didn't say that. The question was how do we avoid unrest in Ferguson. The answer is protest peacefully. That seems obvious. I guess it isn't obvious to some people, and I guess that's part of the problem.
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yup, don't provoke the police or they will kill you and can't be blamed for killing you.
I didn't say that. The question was how do we avoid unrest in Ferguson. The answer is protest peacefully. That seems obvious. I guess it isn't obvious to some people, and I guess that's part of the problem.
You've stated that you don't think that protests will be peaceful. Why don't you think they will be?
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yup, don't provoke the police or they will kill you and can't be blamed for killing you.
I didn't say that. The question was how do we avoid unrest in Ferguson. The answer is protest peacefully. That seems obvious. I guess it isn't obvious to some people, and I guess that's part of the problem.
Not available - a Ferguson where there's no shootings or anything that prompts protests, peaceful or otherwise.
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My cousin is a teacher in St. Louis area, and they are being told Sunday will be the announcement. Schools would be closed Monday and Tuesday. IMO there will be a riot similar to the race riots in the sixties. This has festered too long. Welcome to Hell Louis.
Yep, I'm sure the grand jury is taking their time calling all of the local school districts with the news of their anticipated verdict. Makes perfect sense.
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http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
White people, smh. I'd bet a million dollars the words n-word and/or coon were used in the car sometime in the last 10 minutes of Becky's life.
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well that guy obviously shot that girl. i'm willing to take straight up bets.
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http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
White people, smh. I'd bet a million dollars the words n-word and/or coon were used in the car sometime in the last 10 minutes of Becky's life.
Are they white? Didn't see that from the article. Do people still use the "coon" slur? And you and I both know there's a far greater chance of them saying the n-word if they were black.
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yup, don't provoke the police or they will kill you and can't be blamed for killing you.
I didn't say that. The question was how do we avoid unrest in Ferguson. The answer is protest peacefully. That seems obvious. I guess it isn't obvious to some people, and I guess that's part of the problem.
You've stated that you don't think that protests will be peaceful. Why don't you think they will be?
Is that a serious question? Did you see the last round of "protests" before the GJ?
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http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
White people, smh. I'd bet a million dollars the words n-word and/or coon were used in the car sometime in the last 10 minutes of Becky's life.
Could have been a raccoon in the car and it jumped on Becca's face so she shot it. But yeah, these were white people. That driver is in jail or dead now if not.
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well that guy obviously shot that girl. i'm willing to take straight up bets.
That was my thought, too.
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White people, smh. I'd bet a million dollars the words n-word and/or coon were used in the car sometime in the last 10 minutes of Becky's life.
wow
http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest (http://fox2now.com/2014/11/23/police-woman-allegedly-kills-herself-with-gun-bought-to-prepare-for-ferguson-unrest)
The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
Highly unlikely that occurred the way to story says. More than likely they had their finger on the trigger and pulled it.
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So I googled "Becca Campbell St. Louis" and found this. http://www.breaking911.com/woman-accidentally-kills-herself-with-gun-she-bought-for-ferguson-unrest/ (http://www.breaking911.com/woman-accidentally-kills-herself-with-gun-she-bought-for-ferguson-unrest/)
She's white, but she was a Ferguson protestor. That probably discounts MIR's "racist white people" theory. So I guess she bought the gun to protect herself from the police and/or her own fellow "protestors" - and ended up shooting herself in the head. What an epic dumbass.
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Of course she was white, her name was Becky, bro. Becky.
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Of course she was white, her name was Becky, bro. Becky.
Even whiter... "Becca" Dude is probably "Rob" or "Todd"
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Of course she was white, her name was Becky, bro. Becky.
Even whiter... "Becca" Dude is probably "Rob" or "Todd"
:lol:
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
I would have been shot multiple times by police officers as a child. Glad I grew up when/where I did... Whooof.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
I would have been shot multiple times by police officers as a child. Glad I grew up when/where I did... Whooof.
Yea i feel like any time a cop shoots a kid, some legit questions must be asked. Not just oh well it happens sometimes.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
I would have been shot multiple times by police officers as a child. Glad I grew up when/where I did... Whooof.
Yea i feel like any time a cop shoots a kid, some legit questions must be asked. Not just oh well it happens sometimes.
Sure, absolutely. I just don't expect to survive an encounter where I reach for a real looking fake gun after being confronted by cops.
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
I would have been shot multiple times by police officers as a child. Glad I grew up when/where I did... Whooof.
Yea i feel like any time a cop shoots a kid, some legit questions must be asked. Not just oh well it happens sometimes.
Not sure that's the reaction. Hopefully this one is at least on video to help ascertain whether the cops acted reasonably?
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http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea (http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/23/cleveland-cop-shoots-12-year-old-boy-dea)
Police in 2014: Shoot first, worry about the facts later. How many more people need to be shot by cops before we make the punishment for abuse of power more than paid leave?
Terrible tragedy, but the kid was pointing a fake gun at people and apparently reached for it. Can't do that.
I would have been shot multiple times by police officers as a child. Glad I grew up when/where I did... Whooof.
Yea i feel like any time a cop shoots a kid, some legit questions must be asked. Not just oh well it happens sometimes.
Not sure that's the reaction. Hopefully this one is at least on video to help ascertain whether the cops acted reasonably?
I guess the mindset is my issue. Shoot first, because you dont have to worry about it bc the union/government will make sure you dont get in trouble is very troubling to me (and yes im fully aware of the irony of a libtard like me bashing a union).
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
If I had to guess, I say no.
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
who is the "rough rider"? the one who was attacked while issuing a lawful order and was forced to defend himself?
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
who is the "rough rider"? the one who was attacked while issuing a lawful order and was forced to defend himself?
The guy who shot an unarmed man 8 times
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decision is supposedly in
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
who is the "rough rider"? the one who was attacked while issuing a lawful order and was forced to defend himself?
The guy who shot an unarmed man 8 times
fleeing felon says what?
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I would think there is enough to indict the cop but probably not enough to convict
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Great strategy...announce during a KSU Cats game so everyone is distracted. Less violence that way.
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Great strategy...announce during a KSU Cats game so everyone is distracted. Less violence that way.
Announcing it at 8 means prime time viewers. Gotta love real time clashing with the police and protesters. Keep people on edge all day, and then do it at dark to add suspense, and on a night where people don't have much to do and are off work so as many people are available. Next level media control (or whoever it in control of this mess) IYAM.
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I stocked up on beer and food when I saw the announcement was tonight.
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I stocked up on beer and food when I saw the announcement was tonight.
rough ridin' loser
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I stocked up on beer and food when I saw the announcement was tonight.
rough ridin' loser
I think this may have been a :popcorn: :bwpopcorn: joke.
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Erii is 100 percent serious
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Yea, I'm leaving work early so I can go home and watch Rachel Maddow. Already started pre-drinking.
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He's going to be indicted.
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If he's indicted, does that put a serious kink in the looting or do we go ahead as scheduled?
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If he's indicted, does that put a serious kink in the looting or do we go ahead as scheduled?
Celebration rioting!
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So back to the issue here... The Grand Jury is going to charge this rough rider with SOMETHING... right?? They are just hashing out the severity now I would assume?
who is the "rough rider"? the one who was attacked while issuing a lawful order and was forced to defend himself?
The guy who shot an unarmed man 8 times
fleeing felon says what?
Actual law says no
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USATODAY: #BREAKING Ferguson cop who shot Michael Brown won’t be charged; according to Michael Brown's family
Uh oh. :ohno:
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I'd say indictment unlikely, but it wouldn't shock me if he is, and it could very well be justified. All it takes is 9 members to find probable cause. A relatively low standard.
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Did you not just see my post you idiot? He isn't going to be indicted.
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No matter which way this comes down, a far more just process than what George Zimmerman got.
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:popcorn:
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No matter which way this comes down, a far more just process than what George Zimmerman got.
Except that jury trial by his peers part
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No matter which way this comes down, a far more just process than what George Zimmerman got.
Except that jury trial by his peers part
It never should have reached that point. The prosecutor skipped a GJ altogether in favor of a flimsy affidavit of probable cause.
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Sure sounds like no charges...
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I don't know what to think. Sad for lots of reasons.
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this country is so dumb sometimes
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Maybe you dumbshits should listen to the prosecutor...
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This is sickening. This guy is basically grinning his way through the statement. Blame media, twitter, news, witnesses, etc
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congrats ksu-w, you've earned this
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congrats ksu-w, you've earned this
What the hell are you talking about?
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I'm learning I don't know what a grand jury is.
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rough ridin' white people, man.
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Why are there people on here angry? It's confusing?
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rough ridin' white people, man.
Don't be a moron.
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the police scanner for the miz hipo right now is mumped up
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Can't really tell who is real-stupid and fake-stupid in this thread. Cops per the supreme court are not required to put their life in danger. Consider that when interacting with them.
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rough ridin' white people, man.
Don't be a moron.
Someone on Twitter (dlew?) was spot on...whether it was justified or not, the fact that a guy shot and killed another guy and won't see a courtroom is insane.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
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rough ridin' white people, man.
Don't be a moron.
Someone on Twitter (dlew?) was spot on...whether it was justified or not, the fact that a guy shot and killed another guy and won't see a courtroom is insane.
How? It happens all the time, and justifiably.
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rough ridin' white people, man.
Don't be a moron.
Someone on Twitter (dlew?) was spot on...whether it was justified or not, the fact that a guy shot and killed another guy and won't see a courtroom is insane.
Agreed. But don't try and invoke the "white people are the worst" crap. Racism is real, police abuse is rampant, but lets discuss it like grown ups.
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man, these media people asking questions are absolute morons. It's like they didn't even listen.
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall during jury deliberations
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Rampant? Hardly.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
Still watching the presser on CNN. What was it?
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Why are there people on here angry? It's confusing?
I hope there is a lot of hur hur hur going on, otherwise I really don't know how anyone could be happy or sad. The grand jury didn't have the power to resurrect Michael Brown Jr. If Darren Wilson was in prison right now Michael Brown Sr. is going to wake up tomorrow without a son. This isn't the Maui Invitational, there are no winners, including Mr. Wilson.
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Some of these questions are hilarious. I enjoyed the brit's question about "shooting black men with impunity" and the da's answer of essentially "that's bullshit. "
Another good one was the black guy who made a speech (don't remember if he ended with an actual question) about how "there are no laws to protect the lives of young black men." The da's brief answer was "what the hell are you even talking about?"
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man, these media people asking questions are absolute morons. It's like they didn't even listen.
The second, third, fourth, and fifth person who asked for a vote count should be waterboarded.
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These youts are about to get justice on this police car.
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Why are there people on here angry? It's confusing?
I hope there is a lot of hur hur hur going on, otherwise I really don't know how anyone could be happy or sad. The grand jury didn't have the power to resurrect Michael Brown Jr. If Darren Wilson was in prison right now Michael Brown Sr. is going to wake up tomorrow without a son. This isn't the Maui Invitational, there are no winners, including Mr. Wilson.
agreed
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My fav. professor is quoted in the article.
A St. Louis County grand jury on Monday decided not to indict Ferguson, Missouri, police Officer Darren Wilson in the August killing of teenager Michael Brown. The decision wasn’t a surprise — leaks from the grand jury had led most observers to conclude an indictment was unlikely — but it was unusual. Grand juries nearly always decide to indict.
Or at least, they nearly always do so in cases that don’t involve police officers.
Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
Wilson’s case was heard in state court, not federal, so the numbers aren’t directly comparable. Unlike in federal court, most states, including Missouri, allow prosecutors to bring charges via a preliminary hearing in front of a judge instead of through a grand jury indictment. That means many routine cases never go before a grand jury. Still, legal experts agree that, at any level, it is extremely rare for prosecutors to fail to win an indictment.
“If the prosecutor wants an indictment and doesn’t get one, something has gone horribly wrong,” said Andrew D. Leipold, a University of Illinois law professor who has written critically about grand juries. “It just doesn’t happen.”
Cases involving police shootings, however, appear to be an exception. As my colleague Reuben Fischer-Baum has written, we don’t have good data on officer-involved killings. But newspaper accounts suggest, grand juries frequently decline to indict law-enforcement officials. A recent Houston Chronicle investigation found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in Houston and other large cities in recent years. In Harris County, Texas, for example, grand juries haven’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004; in Dallas, grand juries reviewed 81 shootings between 2008 and 2012 and returned just one indictment. Separate research by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson has found that officers are rarely charged in on-duty killings, although it didn’t look at grand jury indictments specifically.
There are at least three possible explanations as to why grand juries are so much less likely to indict police officers. The first is juror bias: Perhaps jurors tend to trust police officer and believe their decisions to use violence are justified, even when the evidence says otherwise. The second is prosecutorial bias: Perhaps prosecutors, who depend on police as they work on criminal cases, tend to present a less compelling case against officers, whether consciously or unconsciously.
The third possible explanation is more benign. Ordinarily, prosecutors only bring a case if they think they can get an indictment. But in high-profile cases such as police shootings, they may feel public pressure to bring charges even if they think they have a weak case.
“The prosecutor in this case didn’t really have a choice about whether he would bring this to a grand jury,” Ben Trachtenberg, a University of Missouri law professor, said of the Brown case. “It’s almost impossible to imagine a prosecutor saying the evidence is so scanty that I’m not even going to bring this before a grand jury.”
The explanations aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s possible, for example, that the evidence against Wilson was relatively weak, but that jurors were also more likely than normal to give him the benefit of the doubt. St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch has said he plans to release the evidence collected in the case, which would give the public a chance to evaluate whether justice was served here. But beyond Ferguson, we won’t know without better data why grand juries are so reluctant to indict police officers.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
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man, these media people asking questions are absolute morons. It's like they didn't even listen.
Really crazy how they haven't prepped better. I assume plants, like a bad Obama presser where they only throw softballs
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These youts are about to get justice on this police car.
I just want it to be known that a healthy amount of people going h.a.m. on this car appear to be white dudes.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
Still watching the presser on CNN. What was it?
She asked about the situations that make these types of incidents happen. I didn't hear the answer very well. That's the real question, and what the hell we are going to do about it.
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These youts are about to get justice on this police car.
I just want it to be known that a healthy amount of people going h.a.m. on this car appear to be white dudes.
Another apt description would be dumbasses.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
Still watching the presser on CNN. What was it?
She asked about the situations that make these types of incidents happen. I didn't hear the answer very well. That's the real question, and what the hell we are going to do about it.
How about we start with not attacking other people. Seems like a good first step.
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The prosecutor wasn't going to let the GJ return an indictment. He won't win his next election
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This "unlawful assembly" decree seems like a poor idea, most of these people seem to be just hanging around.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
Still watching the presser on CNN. What was it?
She asked about the situations that make these types of incidents happen. I didn't hear the answer very well. That's the real question, and what the hell we are going to do about it.
How about we start with not attacking other people. Seems like a good first step.
What do you mean by that? Are you starting down the road of false equivalencies?
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I'm starting down the road of not attacking one another. At which point all bets are off.
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The glasses lady on Maddow asked the best question. It's the question I've been asking the whole time.
Still watching the presser on CNN. What was it?
She asked about the situations that make these types of incidents happen. I didn't hear the answer very well. That's the real question, and what the hell we are going to do about it.
How about we start with not attacking other people. Seems like a good first step.
What do you mean by that? Are you starting down the road of false equivalencies?
I know your response was to Teddy-P, but you know what I mean, I hope.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
Agreed. If it indeed was, the special privilege doesn't compute to me. I could be way off base here, but it's almost as if they just decided to hold the trial during the G.J.. I don't know if it was to get all the reaction out of the way or what.
I don't think Wilson would have been proven guilty of a crime under the law (from what I know, and I'm also not a lawyer), but it's super odd that it didn't even go to trial.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
Agreed. If it indeed was, the special privilege doesn't compute to me. I could be way off base here, but it's almost as if they just decided to hold the trial during the G.J.. I don't know if it was to get all the reaction out of the way or what.
I don't think Wilson would have been proven guilty of a crime under the law (from what I know, and I'm also not a lawyer), but it's super odd that it didn't even go to trial.
Probably best to get this over now, rather than a futile, protracted trial.
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The cops are really sending out the olive branch right now....
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We are all learning tonight just how awful don lemon is :lol:
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
Agreed. If it indeed was, the special privilege doesn't compute to me. I could be way off base here, but it's almost as if they just decided to hold the trial during the G.J.. I don't know if it was to get all the reaction out of the way or what.
I don't think Wilson would have been proven guilty of a crime under the law (from what I know, and I'm also not a lawyer), but it's super odd that it didn't even go to trial.
Probably best to get this over now, rather than a futile, protracted trial.
And I feel that is exactly the line of thought. I'm not even saying it is right or wrong, and don't have the wherewithal to make that conclusion. Is this ok to do under the law? Did they manipulate it?
Especially since all the evidence is supposed to presented transparently, it doesn't seem like either plaintiff or defendant benefited.
They just got it done with.
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Obama is such a boss.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
No truer words spoken
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We are all learning tonight just how awful don lemon is :lol:
Learning tonight? Naw, dog he's been questionable at best forever. Last week he asked a Cosby accuser why she didn't bite his dick off.
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I still don't understand why they waited until 8:30pm to announce this.
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I've never heard of don lemon until tonight, but that's hilarious
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Obama is such a boss.
He started out so strong. It's a shame that he has to talk to the American public like he's a middle school principal trying to prevent a food fight.
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I still don't understand why they waited until 8:30pm to announce this.
They should have announced Sunday morning. Do they even The Wire.
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LOL, Don Lemon almost got rocked w/ a tear gas canister.
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
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omg you guys need to watch CNN
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
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This situation is sad, obviously, but cnn is hilarious
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
No truer words spoken
Yeah..........Thats a crock, they punted to the gj because the clear decision was to not prosecute and due to all the hubub wanted to at least show the people that this was thoroughly investigated and decided by impartial citizens. It was not some priviledge extended to Wilson. And in the end no indictment, if not for the outcry of people that don't trust the police or the da there would not have needed to be a gj and the statistics posted earlier about indictments per grand jury wouldn't have been watered down.
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That was absolutely unreal; essentially Chris Cuomo, Van Jones, and Don Lemon were doing a live shot in what seemed to be a calm area. Then there was a group of people taking a lady having a medical emergency to the cops right were the reporters were standing then a cop fired a tear gas cannister at those people.
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
What are you lolling?
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Some dude is yelling f-bombs at the Fox News reporter
"eff the police, eff FOX NEWS."
Live, btw.
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
What are you lolling?
Warzone? Several cops threw tear gas, not fired. You had one very poor perspective, but are ready to play JJE. So I guess lots really. lol
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
No truer words spoken
Yeah..........Thats a crock, they punted to the gj because the clear decision was to not prosecute and due to all the hubub wanted to at least show the people that this was thoroughly investigated and decided by impartial citizens. It was not some priviledge extended to Wilson. And in the end no indictment, if not for the outcry of people that don't trust the police or the da there would not have needed to be a gj and the statistics posted earlier about indictments per grand jury wouldn't have been watered down.
You're looking for a fight and missed the point.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
No truer words spoken
Yeah..........Thats a crock, they punted to the gj because the clear decision was to not prosecute and due to all the hubub wanted to at least show the people that this was thoroughly investigated and decided by impartial citizens. It was not some priviledge extended to Wilson. And in the end no indictment, if not for the outcry of people that don't trust the police or the da there would not have needed to be a gj and the statistics posted earlier about indictments per grand jury wouldn't have been watered down.
You're looking for a fight and missed the point.
The same can be said for you. I agree with the statement.
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The "Season's Greeting" banner is just a wonderful set addition.
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A lot of morons outing themselves tonight
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Definitely looks like he needed to fire 12 rounds.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QfxKdIcAEBQi6.jpg)
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At the beginning of the presser when he listed off the experts they brought it, one was toxicology. Did they ever say anything about that?
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Liquor stood hands up signs aren't helping too much.
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Cnn - cops shooting tear gas. Fox - black guys breaking windows. Everybody has an agenda
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At the beginning of the presser when he listed off the experts they brought it, one was toxicology. Did they ever say anything about that?
I'm assuming to prove that Brown was high thus a drug addled maniac who needed to be put down from 150 feet
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
What are you lolling?
Warzone? Several cops threw tear gas, not fired. You had one very poor perspective, but are ready to play JJE. So I guess lots really. lol
Did I say it was a warzone or appeared like a warzone? My standards for a midwestern suburb is to not look like Kosovo, I'm rough ridin' acutely aware that there were no rough ridin' tanks or anti-aircraft fire. Maybe my view that the media and people seeking medical attention for someone shouldn't be tear gassed is too polyannaish though.
Also the cannister was definitely shot as evidenced by the loud bang and sparks trailing the cannister. Weird thing for you to take exception to given that you obviously didn't see it.
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No question the prosecutor punted by allowing the GJ to perform a full and impartial review of the evidence. That's not a bad thing - it's just bad that only police officers get this privilege.
No truer words spoken
Yeah..........Thats a crock, they punted to the gj because the clear decision was to not prosecute and due to all the hubub wanted to at least show the people that this was thoroughly investigated and decided by impartial citizens. It was not some priviledge extended to Wilson. And in the end no indictment, if not for the outcry of people that don't trust the police or the da there would not have needed to be a gj and the statistics posted earlier about indictments per grand jury wouldn't have been watered down.
You're looking for a fight and missed the point.
The same can be said for you. I agree with the statement.
What? What point did I miss, he argued something not addressed by KSUW's post, they are two completely different points.
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MSNBC is replayinf the McCullough speach with some firetrucks in the background.
Fox and Cnn focused on people looting Mcdonald's and a liquor store
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
What are you lolling?
Warzone? Several cops threw tear gas, not fired. You had one very poor perspective, but are ready to play JJE. So I guess lots really. lol
Did I say it was a warzone or appeared like a warzone? My standards for a midwestern suburb is to not look like Kosovo, I'm rough ridin' acutely aware that there were no rough ridin' tanks or anti-aircraft fire. Maybe my view that the media and people seeking medical attention for someone shouldn't be tear gassed is too polyannaish though.
Also the cannister was definitely shot as evidenced by the loud bang and sparks trailing the cannister. Weird thing for you to take exception to given that you obviously didn't see it.
I watched the whole thing, the sparks are from the release of gas, not "firing". Weird thing for you to take exception to since you've never used one.
The CNN (left leaning) commentators stated the police opened the line to let her in, then they heard hand gun fire (obviously not really, or the cops would have opened fire), then tear gas was going everywhere. So obviously something happened. But yes, charged and fired. lol
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Pendergast should stop posting for the night.
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Cnn - cops shooting tear gas. Fox - black guys breaking windows. Everybody has an agenda
I mean both are true, only exception is that there are white dudes breaking windows too.
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People are throwing Four loko cans that they stole from the liquor store at the CNN lady. Jerks.
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Any confirmed asian or native american window breakers
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Pendergast should stop posting for the night.
Agree with me or else!
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Any confirmed asian or native american window breakers
unlikely. Would you drive your maserati into ferguson on a night like this?
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Pendergast should stop posting for the night.
Agree with me or else!
No, you just type a lot of words
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I will reduce words
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People are throwing Four loko cans that they stole from the liquor store at the CNN lady. Jerks.
Did you hear the reporter say it was just a young girl smiling having fun? :sdeek:
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Holy crap CNN looks like a warzone. Whatever cop decided to fire that tear gas cannister shold be fired and charged, completely inflamed what appeared to be a calm situation.
lol
What are you lolling?
Warzone? Several cops threw tear gas, not fired. You had one very poor perspective, but are ready to play JJE. So I guess lots really. lol
Did I say it was a warzone or appeared like a warzone? My standards for a midwestern suburb is to not look like Kosovo, I'm rough ridin' acutely aware that there were no rough ridin' tanks or anti-aircraft fire. Maybe my view that the media and people seeking medical attention for someone shouldn't be tear gassed is too polyannaish though.
Also the cannister was definitely shot as evidenced by the loud bang and sparks trailing the cannister. Weird thing for you to take exception to given that you obviously didn't see it.
I watched the whole thing, the sparks are from the release of gas, not "firing". Weird thing for you to take exception to since you've never used one.
The CNN (left leaning) commentators stated the police opened the line to let her in, then they heard hand gun fire (obviously not really, or the cops would have opened fire), then tear gas was going everywhere. So obviously something happened. But yes, charged and fired. lol
Left leaning, lol, just go watch FNC. What you said happened didn't happen, the bang was clearly the canister and flash bangs being shot. The video made that evident and the reporters told us that. We should just discount them though because they are left leaning.
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Everyone has lost during this. So much stupid out there on both sides. :frown:
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People are throwing Four loko cans that they stole from the liquor store at the CNN lady. Jerks.
Did you hear the reporter say it was just a young girl smiling having fun? :sdeek:
Yes, I'm working on a 30-45 second cycle through msnbc, cnn, foxnews unless something is extra interesting.
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eye socket hernia
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People are throwing Four loko cans that they stole from the liquor store at the CNN lady. Jerks.
Did you hear the reporter say it was just a young girl smiling having fun? :sdeek:
The best part of that was Jake Tapper freaking out that she needed to leave because she was unsafe. That girl throwing an empty can is deadly.
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How long has Anderson Cooper been in Ferguson, and where is he that is so pristine and quiet.
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Meh, perhaps a couple were shot, there was at least one flash bang. I didn't discount them, I merely stated what they said. I wasn't there, so I believed them. They've used 'shot' or 'fired' when talking about tear gas all night, when obviously all the canisters have not been projectiles.
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@stlcountypd is so stupid
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both sides. :frown:
NO!
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Move! The live ammunition might shoot you! These guys are great.
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eye socket hernia
Portrait of an unconfident loser
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Half the ppl there want justice, the other half just want a reason to eff crap up and loot. :frown:
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Is there stuff going on in other cities right now? That's what people were talking about.
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I bet they're really missing the QT by now.
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@stlcountypd is so stupid
Why the eff are they live tweeting this?
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Oh snap. The police are getting ready with dlew's rubber bullets.
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eye socket hernia
Looks like the type of person who saves up his money for 6 years so he can lose his virginity at the Bunny Ranch
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In all seriousness these cockroaches are destroying any bit of good that normal people and actual Ferguson residents might have wanted to try to do.
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Whatever you do, don't read Ted Nugent's tweets :lol:
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Half the ppl there want justice, the other half just want a reason to eff crap up and loot. :frown:
I don't mean to pick on you but this isn't remotely close to true. The idiots are a very small faction. There really hasn't been much damage and just one store looted. The riots in Keene, NH last month were much much worse.
Is there stuff going on in other cities right now? That's what people were talking about.
The only thing I've seen were marching protesters in NYC that moved some police barriers.
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Protesters blocked interstate 10 in LA.
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I'm watching FNC so I haven't seen much police brutality. They did have a wonderful live feed if the liquor store being looted. Until the looters broke the camera. :sad:
They also looted a cell phone store and beauty supply store that I've seen.
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Whatever you do, don't read Ted Nugent's tweets :lol:
:lol:
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CNN showing evidence of wilson getting his ass beat, but pic dont really look like he got beat up
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Nyc people splattered fake blood on the police commissioners face
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In all seriousness these cockroaches are destroying any bit of good that normal people and actual Ferguson residents might have wanted to try to do.
Meh. Nothing noteworthy was going to be accomplished tonight with or without the small number of rioters. I also don't buy the talking point that the troublemakers are from out of town.
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CNN showing evidence of wilson getting his ass beat, but pic dont really look like he got beat up
If Mike Brown hit Wilson 10 times in the car then Brown hit like my 5 year old.
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In all seriousness these cockroaches are destroying any bit of good that normal people and actual Ferguson residents might have wanted to try to do.
Meh. Nothing noteworthy was going to be accomplished tonight with or without the small number of rioters. I also don't buy the talking point that the troublemakers are from out of town.
I would guess a majority of them are from out of town, but I agree that a couple hundred idiots acting a fool doesn't mean much more than a couple hundred idiots actin like idiots.
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My favorite part of the whole night.
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I'm interested in the toxicology, I said a while a go that Brown had to be high. You just don't go from no record at all to strong armed robbery of swisher sweets and then trying to fight a cop, it makes no sense.
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Ferguson seems like a real shithole. Those people deserve it.
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So I read on twitter, bad source, that the distances the brown got shot at are much greater than originally reported. Accurate?
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I'm interested in the toxicology, I said a while a go that Brown had to be high. You just don't go from no record at all to strong armed robbery of swisher sweets and then trying to fight a cop, it makes no sense.
Doesn't really fit the weed profile, imo.
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Ferguson seems like a real shithole. Those people deserve it.
Actually seems pretty nice to me.
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I'm interested in the toxicology, I said a while a go that Brown had to be high. You just don't go from no record at all to strong armed robbery of swisher sweets and then trying to fight a cop, it makes no sense.
Doesn't really fit the weed profile, imo.
Sounds like he was smoking Angel Dust.
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In all seriousness these cockroaches are destroying any bit of good that normal people and actual Ferguson residents might have wanted to try to do.
Meh. Nothing noteworthy was going to be accomplished tonight with or without the small number of rioters. I also don't buy the talking point that the troublemakers are from out of town.
I would guess a majority of them are from out of town, but I agree that a couple hundred idiots acting a fool doesn't mean much more than a couple hundred idiots actin like idiots.
If by out of town you mean from other cities in the St.L area then yeah, I agree. The talk of rioters and looters coming from Chicago is dumb.
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In all seriousness these cockroaches are destroying any bit of good that normal people and actual Ferguson residents might have wanted to try to do.
Meh. Nothing noteworthy was going to be accomplished tonight with or without the small number of rioters. I also don't buy the talking point that the troublemakers are from out of town.
I would guess a majority of them are from out of town, but I agree that a couple hundred idiots acting a fool doesn't mean much more than a couple hundred idiots actin like idiots.
If by out of town you mean from other cities in the St.L area then yeah, I agree. The talk of rioters and looters coming from Chicago is dumb.
Same page.
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My favorite part of the whole night.
The war on Christmas is real :runaway:
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msnbc dudes ducking from gunfire
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D.Scott tweets are such perfectly timed treasures.
D. Scott Fritchen ?@DScottFritchen 28s29 seconds ago
Senior Day against KU on Thanksgiving weekend. Let's gooooo.
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Ferguson seems like a real shithole. Those people deserve it.
The business owners deserve to have their businesses destroyed? I thought republicans were pro small business? Do you hate black people that much?
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This "street v sidewalk" thing is apparently a huge issue. Same reason brown was initially confronted right?
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
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My favorite part of the whole night.
The war on Christmas is real :runaway:
No, those are Patriots defending Christmas from Sharia law
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
:D
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I'm interested in the toxicology, I said a while a go that Brown had to be high. You just don't go from no record at all to strong armed robbery of swisher sweets and then trying to fight a cop, it makes no sense.
Doesn't really fit the weed profile, imo.
Sounds like he was smoking Angel Dust.
http://youtu.be/_euYQ5mAlkk
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
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What a disgusting display of humanity
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I like that the libertarians on my facebook are claiming things like
i'll take the grand jury's word for it. They know more about it than you or I ever will. #noindictment
Makes me :D
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those are not libertarians.
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those are not libertarians.
*people that claim to be libertarian
:dunno:
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
Well, there has been alot of needless destruction of property, other than that, you covered it
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
what is your issue?
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
gatowhatever has proven time after time to be too stupid for nuance, don't bother
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
gatowhatever has proven time after time to be too stupid for nuance, don't bother
U r Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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wtf,
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
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I'm not sure but I think all these fires are not being set by angry Ferguson residents, this is pro rioters stuff. They should be caught ASAP.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
Holy crap you said something reasonable, #babysteps
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
great post
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
Holy crap you said something reasonable, #babysteps
I'm willing to bet $1000 that you missed my point, I bet you wouldn't agree with what I'm saying at all.
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LOL at flag-burning indignation.
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
I would shocked if he didn't at least make a symbolic request, even though his presser indicated he didn't want an indictment.
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
You are getting real close to getting my earlier point here, the da wasn't for prosecuting due to a lack of evidence that the gj agreed with, the gj was to be extraordinarily fair to the people that wanted Wilson charged.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
I totally agree, police should be able to protect themselves. but, to what end? This argument could be used for a lot of scenarios that takes us down a long path.
Honestly, not here to get into an argument, I feel for the kids family, and I feel for the officer and his family. I doubt he truly wanted to kill that kid, most likely he freaked out because he wasn't/isn't properly trained on these things. I work with cops everyday, a large majority of them never have to draw their weapon in a real scenario.
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
what is your issue?
that viewing this as one isolated case with no context is stupid. a lot of black people believe that the justice system is stacked against them, and stuff like michael brown being killed and tonight's decision seems (to them at least) to validate that suspicion.
when an unarmed black guy gets shot in broad daylight in the middle of the community, people think "well surely this time something will be done," and then it's charlie brown with a football again. at some point, the camel's back is broken by the final straw and they become pissed. and their anger is completely rational if you ask me.
so you can say the cop was defending himself or that rodney king deserved it or whatever you want, but to ignore the context of why people are so upset about this particular instance is just stupid.
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
You are getting real close to getting my earlier point here, the da wasn't for prosecuting due to a lack of evidence that the gj agreed with, the gj was to be extraordinarily fair to the people that wanted Wilson charged.
Yeah, I'm not getting real close to anyone's point. I asked a question, I did not make a statement.
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Tard, he could have just not pressed charges due to lack of evidence to convict.
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
what is your issue?
that viewing this as one isolated case with no context is stupid. a lot of black people believe that the justice system is stacked against them, and stuff like michael brown being killed and tonight's decision seems (to them at least) to validate that suspicion.
when an unarmed black guy gets shot in broad daylight in the middle of the community, people think "well surely this time something will be done," and then it's charlie brown with a football again. at some point, the camel's back is broken by the final straw and they become pissed. and their anger is completely rational if you ask me.
so you can say the cop was defending himself or that rodney king deserved it or whatever you want, but to ignore the context of why people are so upset about this particular instance is just stupid.
This is rough ridin' absurd. You can't operate a legitimate justice system by trying and convicting people based on the sins of others. The moment you bring in the rest of the horrible race relations into this case you de-legitimize yourself in this conversation. If you want justice you must look at the incident as it happened. If you want a martyr, looting, and rioting, you act like your post.
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All this bullshit because some kid thought he could eff with a cop, rediculous.
Yep. No other context here at all. One dead black kid. One uncharged cop. No other issue here, really, if you ask me.
what is your issue?
that viewing this as one isolated case with no context is stupid. a lot of black people believe that the justice system is stacked against them, and stuff like michael brown being killed and tonight's decision seems (to them at least) to validate that suspicion.
when an unarmed black guy gets shot in broad daylight in the middle of the community, people think "well surely this time something will be done," and then it's charlie brown with a football again. at some point, the camel's back is broken by the final straw and they become pissed. and their anger is completely rational if you ask me.
so you can say the cop was defending himself or that rodney king deserved it or whatever you want, but to ignore the context of why people are so upset about this particular instance is just stupid.
This is rough ridin' absurd. You can't operate a legitimate justice system by trying and convicting people based on the sins of others. The moment you bring in the rest of the horrible race relations into this case you de-legitimize yourself in this conversation. If you want justice you must look at the incident as it happened. If you want a martyr, looting, and rioting, you act like your post.
well no crap, dummy.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
I totally agree, police should be able to protect themselves. but, to what end? This argument could be used for a lot of scenarios that takes us down a long path.
Honestly, not here to get into an argument, I feel for the kids family, and I feel for the officer and his family. I doubt he truly wanted to kill that kid, most likely he freaked out because he wasn't/isn't properly trained on these things. I work with cops everyday, a large majority of them never have to draw their weapon in a real scenario.
My post was a diplomatic way of saying that if you don't treat all cops as trigger happy lil guys with little regard for others then you are taking your life into your hands. They aren't all like that, most may not be, but you are a fool if you don't work off of that assumption. I am going to post another thread about an absolutely disgusting story regarding MO Highway Patrol killing a kid this past summer that illustrates this point perfectly.
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My favorite part of the whole night.
The war on Christmas is real :runaway:
$10 one of these cops uses this as their Christmas card this year.
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
I would shocked if he didn't at least make a symbolic request, even though his presser indicated he didn't want an indictment.
He did, and he confirmed this at the presser. I agree it was probably symbolic, but there's no point in convening a GJ to not ask for an indictment - that's the whole point of taking a case to them. You'd just be wasting their time otherwise.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
I totally agree, police should be able to protect themselves. but, to what end? This argument could be used for a lot of scenarios that takes us down a long path.
Honestly, not here to get into an argument, I feel for the kids family, and I feel for the officer and his family. I doubt he truly wanted to kill that kid, most likely he freaked out because he wasn't/isn't properly trained on these things. I work with cops everyday, a large majority of them never have to draw their weapon in a real scenario.
My post was a diplomatic way of saying that if you don't treat all cops as trigger happy lil guys with little regard for others then you are taking your life into your hands. They aren't all like that, most may not be, but you are a fool if you don't work off of that assumption. I am going to post another thread about an absolutely disgusting story regarding MO Highway Patrol killing a kid this past summer that illustrates this point perfectly.
Most people have understood this for a looooooooooooooong time. Cops are not meant to be mumped with, they risk their lives everyday to protect us, I would not think of asking Wilson to not shoot the charging Brown and suggest he just try to win the fistfight, good grief!
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Tard, he could have just not pressed charges due to lack of evidence to convict.
Am I supposed to care? The point you are making isn't next level crap, guy. How many more times are you going to make the same point for me to ignore before you get that I don't give a damn?
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
I totally agree, police should be able to protect themselves. but, to what end? This argument could be used for a lot of scenarios that takes us down a long path.
Honestly, not here to get into an argument, I feel for the kids family, and I feel for the officer and his family. I doubt he truly wanted to kill that kid, most likely he freaked out because he wasn't/isn't properly trained on these things. I work with cops everyday, a large majority of them never have to draw their weapon in a real scenario.
My post was a diplomatic way of saying that if you don't treat all cops as trigger happy lil guys with little regard for others then you are taking your life into your hands. They aren't all like that, most may not be, but you are a fool if you don't work off of that assumption. I am going to post another thread about an absolutely disgusting story regarding MO Highway Patrol killing a kid this past summer that illustrates this point perfectly.
Most people have understood this for a looooooooooooooong time. Cops are not meant to be mumped with, they risk their lives everyday to protect us, I would not think of asking Wilson to not shoot the charging Brown and suggest he just try to win the fistfight, good grief!
Do me a favor and just stop quoting my posts when you post, I'm afraid that your dumb may be digitally contagious.
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I hope is that in the world we live in today, giving a cop a red spot on his face does not mean you have to die in the streets. My hope is obviously not reasonable
Mike Brown did not have to die, obviously. Mike Brown took his life into his own hands when he engaged that cop. I don't understand why people do not get that the standard of safety for police officers is different for other citizens, you don't have to like it but if you value your life you better respect it.
I totally agree, police should be able to protect themselves. but, to what end? This argument could be used for a lot of scenarios that takes us down a long path.
Honestly, not here to get into an argument, I feel for the kids family, and I feel for the officer and his family. I doubt he truly wanted to kill that kid, most likely he freaked out because he wasn't/isn't properly trained on these things. I work with cops everyday, a large majority of them never have to draw their weapon in a real scenario.
My post was a diplomatic way of saying that if you don't treat all cops as trigger happy lil guys with little regard for others then you are taking your life into your hands. They aren't all like that, most may not be, but you are a fool if you don't work off of that assumption. I am going to post another thread about an absolutely disgusting story regarding MO Highway Patrol killing a kid this past summer that illustrates this point perfectly.
Most people have understood this for a looooooooooooooong time. Cops are not meant to be mumped with, they risk their lives everyday to protect us, I would not think of asking Wilson to not shoot the charging Brown and suggest he just try to win the fistfight, good grief!
Do me a favor and just stop quoting my posts when you post, I'm afraid that your dumb may be digitally contagious.
I'm feeling so boom-roasted right now
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WHERE THE eff IS THE NATIONAL GUARD STOPPING THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM ROAMING AROUND FERGUSON SETTING crap ON FIRE???
Didn't Jay Nixon make a big show out of calling a state of emergency and calling the guard in last rough ridin' week?
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CNN's Sara Sidner just got hit in the head with a rock, live on-air.
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CNN's Sara Sidner just got hit in the head with a rock, live on-air.
she took it like a champ
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Journalists are #heroes right now
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CNN's Sara Sidner just got hit in the head with a rock, live on-air.
she took it like a champ
did you hear the sound it made?
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i havent posted in this thread before, i just want to make it known that this whole situation sucks :frown:
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CNN's Sara Sidner just got hit in the head with a rock, live on-air.
she took it like a champ
did you hear the sound it made?
yeah. she got whacked and was like "these bui-hey i just got hit by a rock, anyways, these buildings..."
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This press conference from the St. Louis County Sheriff's Office is ridiculous. All officials from Ferguson and St. Louis County should just stfu, they are only interested in letting everyone know that they aren't at fault for anything.
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We've landed on the moon.
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I get why this guy, as a public defender, is more than a little butthurt about Wilson getting a more impartial grand jury proceeding than what 99.9% of his clients get. That much is true, and a fair point.
His analysis of "it only takes 1 witness for probable cause" - if that witness is contradicted by overwhelming evidence - is laughably tarded. Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
There are some very good, very bright public defenders, but there are also a lot of dumbasses working there. I'll count this guy in the latter camp.
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wtf, According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/)
I wonder how many of those 11 did the DA ask the grand jury to indict. I ask because I have heard some legal experts tonight say they think that the DA in this case did not ask for an indictment.
I would shocked if he didn't at least make a symbolic request, even though his presser indicated he didn't want an indictment.
He did, and he confirmed this at the presser. I agree it was probably symbolic, but there's no point in convening a GJ to not ask for an indictment - that's the whole point of taking a case to them. You'd just be wasting their time otherwise.
There is a point in convening one, it's called political cover when you don't want to indict a cop friend. Convene the gj, present the evidence so they won't indict, blame the gj. It's obvious this was his calculated move.
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Did anyone read Darren Wilson's testimony to the grand jury? He chooses not to have a taser bc they're uncomfortable to wear. He essentially says, yeah if I had a taser this could have been avoided. I don't think he wanted to shoot anyone, and he just had no other means to do anything.
The fact remains Ferguson and the STL county governments screwed this whole situation up from the beginning. Have an open trial and there aren't riots.
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The fact remains Ferguson and the STL county governments screwed this whole situation up from the beginning. Have an open trial and there aren't riots.
We don't put defendants on show trials to appease the mob. That's not how our justice system works, and it's not how it should work. And even if he was found innocent a few years from now after a protracted and horrendously expensive (taxpayer funded, btw) trial, there would still have been riots.
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The fact remains Ferguson and the STL county governments screwed this whole situation up from the beginning. Have an open trial and there aren't riots.
We don't put defendants on show trials to appease the mob. That's not how our justice system works, and it's not how it should work. And even if he was found innocent a few years from now after a protracted and horrendously expensive (taxpayer funded, btw) trial, there would still have been riots.
You're right about one thing, this case is not representative of how our justice system usually works or should work.
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The population of Ferguson is 85% black. Why don't they elect black officials who hire only black cops? Why is the black highway patrol captain assigned to the crisis not shooting any white cop he sees? Why aren't guns being given to protestors so they can run hogwild and have a really good story for CNN. Why is Obama butt kissing hollywood and liberals at the White House while America burns? Where are the looters going next since they burned down the stores? Hope no sympathy riots happen in Reno.
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The population of Ferguson is 85% black. Why don't they elect black officials who hire only black cops? Why is the black highway patrol captain assigned to the crisis not shooting any white cop he sees? Why aren't guns being given to protestors so they can run hogwild and have a really good story for CNN. Why is Obama butt kissing hollywood and liberals at the White House while America burns? Where are the looters going next since they burned down the stores? Hope no sympathy riots happen in Reno.
I request the hottest of takes!!!!
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Are police trained that if an unarmed suspect had already overwhelmed you to the point you felt like you had to fire your gun, then when that person runs you should continue solo chase on foot rather than stay back, follow in your cruiser, and wait 30-60 seconds for backup?
That's the part I don't get. This person has already caused you to fire your gun even though he's unarmed. How do you go "eff it, if he tries that again I've got a gun...I'm not waiting 30 seconds for backup to help subdue an large unarmed person, I'm taking care of this now."
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The population of Ferguson is 85% black. Why don't they elect black officials who hire only black cops? Why is the black highway patrol captain assigned to the crisis not shooting any white cop he sees? Why aren't guns being given to protestors so they can run hogwild and have a really good story for CNN. Why is Obama butt kissing hollywood and liberals at the White House while America burns? Where are the looters going next since they burned down the stores? Hope no sympathy riots happen in Reno.
Is Renocat a ksu-w sock?
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negligent behavior led to MB's death.
On both their parts.
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negligent behavior led to MB's death.
On both their parts.
one led to some cigarillos not paid for and "bruise", one led to a death.
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negligent behavior led to MB's death.
On both their parts.
one led to some cigarillos not paid for and "bruise", one led to a death.
Theft is not a negligent act, nor is assaulting or shooting someone.
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The whole "the black community has a reason to distrust law enforcement" excuse has far more to do with the current situation than over zealous police.
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If you insured all the commercial buildings in Ferguson, what do yo feel like this morning?
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If you insured all the commercial buildings in Ferguson, what do yo feel like this morning?
An insurance agent.
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If you insured all the commercial buildings in Ferguson, what do yo feel like this morning?
Happy you have been raking in cash for years, likely have a riot exclusion and ready to raise your rates.
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If you insured all the commercial buildings in Ferguson, what do yo feel like this morning?
Happy you have been raking in cash for years, likely have a riot exclusion and ready to raise your rates.
I'm guessing most of those commercial policies have ridiculously high deductibles in the first place. I feel bad for the business owners. Their livlihoods are being torn down by a mob, and the police largely let it happen for fear of bad PR in confronting them.
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Yes, watching the authorities let people do millions of dollars in damage that I have to replace would be hard to stomach.
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I think you can stick a fork in this town, it gone.
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I think you can stick a fork in this town, it gone.
There will be plenty of aid money.
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Everyone pray for the insurance agents
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Let's just raise taxes so we can all pay for the damages. :cheers:
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Hmm... I remember about 30 guys in the union watching a very high profile verdict in the mid 90's that let the murderer of 2 innocent people walk free. When "Not Guilty" was announced they were overcome with joy. Happiness, laughter, and high fives for everyone. When "the system" worked out that way it was great. I guess the glove was on the other hand yesterday. Shitty things happen and people do shitty things to other people. We've been doing it since that guy's brother bashed his head in and everyone got kicked out of the garden. It will never stop.
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Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
No, it doesn't. That's a preponderance of the evidence. The burden of proof in a civil case. Probable cause means a reasonable belief that the defendant has committed a crime. It has been explicitly held to be below a preponderance. "It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false." Texas v. Brown, 460 U.S. 730, 742 (1983).
Excellent lawyering.
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Hmm... I remember about 30 guys in the union watching a very high profile verdict in the mid 90's that let the murderer of 2 innocent people walk free. When "Not Guilty" was announced they were overcome with joy. Happiness, laughter, and high fives for everyone. When "the system" worked out that way it was great. I guess the glove was on the other hand yesterday. Shitty things happen and people do shitty things to other people. We've been doing it since that guy's brother bashed his head in and everyone got kicked out of the garden. It will never stop.
Good point. A celebrity with a high powered attorney got away with murder so these black teens are just getting what they deserve. Idiot.
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Hmm... I remember about 30 guys in the union watching a very high profile verdict in the mid 90's that let the murderer of 2 innocent people walk free. When "Not Guilty" was announced they were overcome with joy. Happiness, laughter, and high fives for everyone. When "the system" worked out that way it was great. I guess the glove was on the other hand yesterday. Shitty things happen and people do shitty things to other people. We've been doing it since that guy's brother bashed his head in and everyone got kicked out of the garden. It will never stop.
Good point. A celebrity with a high powered attorney got away with murder so these black teens are just getting what they deserve. Idiot.
You are the rough ridin' idiot. Idiot. The worst cop in "Boyz in the Hood" was a black cop. He was the one pulling guns on the black teenagers. I think we know where this all started!
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Hmm... I remember about 30 guys in the union watching a very high profile verdict in the mid 90's that let the murderer of 2 innocent people walk free. When "Not Guilty" was announced they were overcome with joy. Happiness, laughter, and high fives for everyone. When "the system" worked out that way it was great. I guess the glove was on the other hand yesterday. Shitty things happen and people do shitty things to other people. We've been doing it since that guy's brother bashed his head in and everyone got kicked out of the garden. It will never stop.
Good point. A celebrity with a high powered attorney got away with murder so these black teens are just getting what they deserve. Idiot.
You are the rough ridin' idiot. Idiot. The worst cop in "Boyz in the Hood" was a black cop. He was the one pulling guns on the black teenagers. I think we know where this all started!
That was the dumbest part of the movie and never made sense
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Hmm... I remember about 30 guys in the union watching a very high profile verdict in the mid 90's that let the murderer of 2 innocent people walk free. When "Not Guilty" was announced they were overcome with joy. Happiness, laughter, and high fives for everyone. When "the system" worked out that way it was great. I guess the glove was on the other hand yesterday. Shitty things happen and people do shitty things to other people. We've been doing it since that guy's brother bashed his head in and everyone got kicked out of the garden. It will never stop.
Good point. A celebrity with a high powered attorney got away with murder so these black teens are just getting what they deserve. Idiot.
You are the rough ridin' idiot. Idiot. The worst cop in "Boyz in the Hood" was a black cop. He was the one pulling guns on the black teenagers. I think we know where this all started!
That was the dumbest part of the movie and never made sense
Wasn't it? So weird. I always felt sorry for the guy who was playing the part of that cop for some reason. Don't Be a Menace to South Central - WDGJITH was a much better film.
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Nope. Parody movies suck 100% of the time. The black cop is the only part wrong with Boyz in the hood
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Nope. Parody movies suck 100% of the time. The black cop is the only part wrong with Boyz in the hood
You mean besides Colorado not coming in to recruit Ricky... That was BS.
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Nope. Parody movies suck 100% of the time. The black cop is the only part wrong with Boyz in the hood
You mean besides Colorado not coming in to recruit Ricky... That was BS.
Ricky was a complete stud. He could've won the heisman.
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The population of Ferguson is 85% black. Why don't they elect black officials who hire only black cops? Why is the black highway patrol captain assigned to the crisis not shooting any white cop he sees? Why aren't guns being given to protestors so they can run hogwild and have a really good story for CNN. Why is Obama butt kissing hollywood and liberals at the White House while America burns? Where are the looters going next since they burned down the stores? Hope no sympathy riots happen in Reno.
You don't know what the eff you're talking about.
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Bigwillie is a rough ridin' moron
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Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
No, it doesn't. That's a preponderance of the evidence. The burden of proof in a civil case. Probable cause means a reasonable belief that the defendant has committed a crime. It has been explicitly held to be below a preponderance. "It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false." Texas v. Brown, 460 U.S. 730, 742 (1983).
Excellent lawyering.
I don't know Bread. I think K-S-U might be a bit of an expert on the prosecutorial process here. Maybe you should sit this one out.
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Bread, that was a rude pantsing you delivered.
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Any thoughts on Wilson not even waiting until the fires our out to give an interview? Odds he writes a book to make some $?
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Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
No, it doesn't. That's a preponderance of the evidence. The burden of proof in a civil case. Probable cause means a reasonable belief that the defendant has committed a crime. It has been explicitly held to be below a preponderance. "It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false." Texas v. Brown, 460 U.S. 730, 742 (1983).
Excellent lawyering.
You're right. Danger of posting on the fly. It still doesn't mean that one shred of evidence rebutted by significantly more evidence establishes probable cause. Has to be reasonable.
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You have at least 34 racist friends, it would seem.
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That's not how it works but I have an "accept all friend requests from my SW KS hometown" so you aren't wrong
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That's not how it works but I have an "accept all friend requests from my SW KS hometown" so you aren't wrong
You share meat and meade with these folks? :sdeek: (elite GoT reffy, son)
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Have not seen or read GoT but given your posting history I'll assume it was a good reference
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he should've gone the classic beowulf route, steve dave
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You have at least 34 racist friends, it would seem.
I probally would have liked that and tweeted it.
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You have at least 34 racist friends, it would seem.
I probally would have liked that and tweeted it.
Find me on Twitter
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someone needs to end Don Lemon's throat, right now, my goodness
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Who is Don Lemon?
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I'm sure it's been said, but I wish we could see what would happen if this scenario played out with a black cop shooting and unarmed white teen.
Klan rallies would have happened
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Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
No, it doesn't. That's a preponderance of the evidence. The burden of proof in a civil case. Probable cause means a reasonable belief that the defendant has committed a crime. It has been explicitly held to be below a preponderance. "It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false." Texas v. Brown, 460 U.S. 730, 742 (1983).
Excellent lawyering.
You're right. Danger of posting on the fly. It still doesn't mean that one shred of evidence rebutted by significantly more evidence establishes probable cause. Has to be reasonable.
Why are you guise talking about probable cause in the context of this grand jury indictment? That's search and seizure stuff.
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Something I was thinking about, what ever happened to firing warning shots? Pop a few rounds off into the air, the suspect will probably crap his pants and get on the ground. Seems like the police have a "all bullets must be aimed at bodies" policy.
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Why are you guise talking about probable cause in the context of this grand jury indictment? That's search and seizure stuff.
hm.
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Why are you guise talking about probable cause in the context of this grand jury indictment? That's search and seizure stuff.
hm.
Just a little something called the Fourth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be searched.
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Something I was thinking about, what ever happened to firing warning shots? Pop a few rounds off into the air, the suspect will probably crap his pants and get on the ground. Seems like the police have a "all bullets must be aimed at bodies" policy.
Pretty sure a cop would be fired for firing a "warning shot" into the air. That bullet could land anywhere. This isn't Deadwood you hooplehead.
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Something I was thinking about, what ever happened to firing warning shots? Pop a few rounds off into the air, the suspect will probably crap his pants and get on the ground. Seems like the police have a "all bullets must be aimed at bodies" policy.
The use of a firearm is only to be used as an interment of deadly force. That is why its silly to see people talk about warning shots or wounding shots.
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But what about shooting the gun out of his hand? That's a thing, right?
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But what about shooting the gun out of his hand? That's a thing, right?
He was unarmed or obviously that's what dead eye darren would have done.
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Trying to find meaning in this is a futile exercise.
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yeah, 'warning shots into the air' sounds like an awesome idea
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I wonder how this would have gone down if the brown family hired George Zimmerman's lawyer
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Trying to find meaning in this is a futile exercise.
You are looking in the wrong place Socrates.
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LOL at the twitter counterargument to #BlackLivesMatter that I'm seeing from white people asserting that black people get a lot of abortions.
I need to think of some unrelated issues I care about and try to interject them into all this. I've got an idea of how to work a Seattle Sonics gripe in, but I gotta workshop it in my head while I'm at the gym.
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#black@'smatter
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#black@'smatter
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If this is turning into a general discussion about how much death law enforcement causes, I heard a podcast about this. In Utah, second only to intimate partners, is death by cop when it comes to quantity of firearm killings. That is pretty mumped up.
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A truly pro-life person would be about helping minorities avoid abortions, by making other options known and available, and also be against cops shooting people without necessity.
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
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#black@'smatter
That's still 40,000 :sdeek:
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
The basis of those tweets seem like they are saying "You say black lives matter, yet you get tons of abortions, so shame on you" instead of "Black lives matter, lets work together to prevent mistreatment by police, and provide ways to give minorities better options during unplanned pregnancies"
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
The basis of those tweets seem like they are saying "You say black lives matter, yet you get tons of abortions, so shame on you" instead of "Black lives matter, lets work together to prevent mistreatment by police, and provide ways to give minorities better options during unplanned pregnancies"
Ok, so even if their point was, as you say, that "You say black lives matter, yet you get tons of abortions, so shame on you" - that's a far cry from saying that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get a lot of abortions.
As for the "better options" crap - poverty is not dependent on skin color, and everyone has the same options: you have the kid and take care of him/her, you have the kid and give him/her up for adoption, or you kill the kid. Two of those options results in a living baby - the other results in a dead baby. It's quite something to argue that "we'll stop killing our babies when the government gives us more money!"
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I'm not arguing for the government to do anything. That's almost never what I'm saying.
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I'm not arguing for the government to do anything. That's almost never what I'm saying.
Oh sorry - what do you mean by the better options?
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Blacks deserve reparations from the government in some meaningful form.
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I'm not arguing for the government to do anything. That's almost never what I'm saying.
Oh sorry - what do you mean by the better options?
Mostly I mean that those shaming with abortion stats should look introspectively and adopt some of those kids. There are hundreds of non-profit adoption agencies etc to volunteer at.
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http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22 (http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22)
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jesus
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http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22 (http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22)
:frown:
that really rough ridin' pisses me off. this goes from kid with a real looking gun tragedy to rough ridin' murder again.
their story keeps changing from "he was reaching for a gun" to "he pulled out the gun".
they pulled up and instantly blasted that kid. that was their plan as soon as they got the call.
there was no one else around to protect, why didnt they park further away and assess the situation, or maybe try to talk to him?
indefensible.
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Decided I'm not going to try to interject my Sonics issue into all this, but I'm glad that K-S-U-W showed up in support of the abortion "genocide" argument!
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there was no one else around to protect, why didnt they park further away and assess the situation, or maybe try to talk to him?
Yeah, I'd think that the same perceived fear that would cause a cop to shoot a kid with a perceived gun would cause the cop to not roll up on a kid w/a perceived gun w/o first assessing what they're driving into. But kind of cooler I guess to be a brave cop and drive into the face of danger and shoot it dead. As royalswild would say, a badass would do that.
EDIT: mumped up the quote; of course it was puni who nailed it instead of that cancer-loving sonofabitch cf3.
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that kid was probably just exercising his 2nd amendment right to open carry. he stopped in the park to eat his chipotle before finishing his shopping list at target.
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I don't know all the details of this shooting, but it sure looks like we have something to legitimately protest about now.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/)
Only 1 witness agreed his hands weren't up
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are black people killing their own babies so the cops can't do it first?
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/)
Only 1 witness agreed his hands weren't up
What a disgusting read. What's amazing is someone seems to think the this information justifies the grand jury decision.
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Probable Cause means "more likely than not." It's a low standard, but not that low.
No, it doesn't. That's a preponderance of the evidence. The burden of proof in a civil case. Probable cause means a reasonable belief that the defendant has committed a crime. It has been explicitly held to be below a preponderance. "It does not demand any showing that such a belief be correct or more likely true than false." Texas v. Brown, 460 U.S. 730, 742 (1983).
Excellent lawyering.
You're right. Danger of posting on the fly. It still doesn't mean that one shred of evidence rebutted by significantly more evidence establishes probable cause. Has to be reasonable.
Why are you guise talking about probable cause in the context of this grand jury indictment? That's search and seizure stuff.
"The institution of the grand jury is deeply rooted in Anglo-American history. In England, the grand jury served for centuries both as a body of accusers sworn to discover and present for trial persons suspected of criminal wrongdoing and as a protector of citizens against arbitrary and oppressive governmental action. In this country the Founders thought the grand jury so essential to basic liberties that they provided in the Fifth Amendment that federal prosecution for serious crimes can only be instituted by ‘a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.’ Cf. Costello v. United States, 350 U.S. 359, 361—362, 76 S.Ct. 406, 408, 100 L.Ed. 397 (1956). The grand jury's historic functions survive to this day. Its responsibilities continue to include both the determination whether there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and the protection of citizens against unfounded criminal prosecutions. Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U.S. 665, 686—687, 92 S.Ct. 2646, 2658—2659, 33 L.Ed.2d 626 (1972)." (Emphasis added.) United States v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338, 342-43 (1974).
:dunno:
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
Probably because abortion is legal and not murder, unlike actual murder
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/)
Only 1 witness agreed his hands weren't up
What a disgusting read. What's amazing is someone seems to think the this information justifies the grand jury decision.
The grand Jury also examined all of the physical evidence, which may have made many of the witness statements improbable or impossible.
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How much of the aftermath of the Brown shooting would have happened if his sidekick had not lied through his teeth? It was far worse then screaming FIRE! In a crowded theatre.
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Trying to find meaning in this is a futile exercise.
You are looking in the wrong place Socrates.
All this post demonstrates is an ignorance of the writings of Plato.
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People who don't know crap about the law don't understand that "eye witness" testimony is the most unreliable and easily rebuttal testimony available.
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People who don't know crap about the law don't understand that "eye witness" testimony is the most unreliable and easily rebuttal testimony available.
I know it is, (IIRC i've said as much elsewhere in the thread), but were talking about shitloads of eyewitnesses contradicting the cop.
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I wonder how many people have been executed on eyewitness testimony. Probably a lot.
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People who don't know crap about the law don't understand that "eye witness" testimony is the most unreliable and easily rebuttal testimony available.
I know it is, (IIRC i've said as much elsewhere in the thread), but were talking about shitloads of eyewitnesses contradicting the cop.
Obviously they weren't very convincing (probably because they were all lying and didn't witness anything)
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I think it's safe to equate the purported eye witnesses in this case to the trailer trash you see on local news who were taking a crap when the tornado hit their house and when it was over they were plopped down in the Walmart parking lot 5 miles away.
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I wonder how many people have been executed on eyewitness testimony. Probably a lot.
Yeah, but those eye witnesses probably actually saw the murder.
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Trying to find meaning in this is a futile exercise.
You are looking in the wrong place Socrates.
Touché
All this post demonstrates is an ignorance of the writings of Plato.
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http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22 (http://gawker.com/video-cops-shot-12-year-old-two-seconds-after-arriving-1663814827/+tcraggs22)
:frown:
Guess which cop gets to be the example made after the Ferguson mess?
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/078c82ad45ff4ec6aa1c7744dfa7df14/grand-jury-documents-rife-inconsistencies (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/078c82ad45ff4ec6aa1c7744dfa7df14/grand-jury-documents-rife-inconsistencies)
Wow. After reading this, I'm more convinced than ever of two things:
1. The vast majority of "eye witnesses" we're pretty much full of crap.
2. Officer Wilson got the fairest GJ in the history of GJs. The prosecutors often acted like defense attorneys, helping to point out inconsistencies in testimony. Again, this GJ produced a just result - but damn it's good to be a cop.
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
You are so amazingly insincere. I wish you would drop the facade and say what you want to say and be who you want to be. As it stands now you certainly are not fooling anyone.
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:lol:
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What I mean is, a truly pro-life person wouldn't argue "Its ok for cops to shoot minorities because you get so many abortions." That would be hypocritical and foolish.
Yet here we are
Huh. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is arguing that it's ok for cops to kill black people because they get so many abortions. "BlackLivesMatter" seems like a perfectly appropriate twitter handle to mention the unprecedented black genocide by abortion. When talking about the value of black lives, why are we only allowed to talk about that in the context of police shootings?
You are so amazingly insincere. I wish you would drop the facade and say what you want to say and be who you want to be. As it stands now you certainly are not fooling anyone.
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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/28/blackoutblackfriday-activists-shut-down-west-oakland-bart-station-major-delays-michael-brown-ferguson/
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Props to the Rams players (can't believe one of our racists hasn't already brought it up).
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I guess whoever wrote the statement condemning the protest has been fired or something.
http://deadspin.com/st-louis-cops-declare-rams-hands-up-dont-shoot-to-be-1665003269
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A few questions:
Was the decision not to indict unjust?
Did the evidence warrant an indictment or possible conviction?
If the evidence was not corroborative to an indictment, then do we need to change the laws? Why?
These are important questions, because if their answers aren't basically yes, no, and if need be, yes, then anyone protesting or angered at the outcome of the Wilson grand jury is standing on loose footing.
There is not a question that something needs to be done about the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and urban citizens, but if the evidence and decision not to indict agree with the law, and the law is sound as is, then Michael Brown is a poor choice for a martyr, and any demonstrations or social unrest with him at the center is weak.
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A few questions:
Was the decision not to indict unjust?
Did the evidence warrant an indictment or possible conviction?
If the evidence was not corroborative to an indictment, then do we need to change the laws? Why?
These are important questions, because if their answers aren't basically yes, no, and if need be, yes, then anyone protesting or angered at the outcome of the Wilson grand jury is standing on loose footing.
There is not a question that something needs to be done about the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and urban citizens, but if the evidence and decision not to indict agree with the law, and the law is sound as is, then Michael Brown is a poor choice for a martyr, and any demonstrations or social unrest with him at the center is weak.
The grand jury process seems to have been a farce. I'm not really sure this case should have ever gotten that far, though. There was never more than a 0% chance of this guy getting convicted.
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Maybe every state should have an official whose sole purpose is investigating police departments and prosecuting police officers who wrongfully kill people.
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Props to the Rams players (can't believe one of our racists hasn't already brought it up).
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I guess whoever wrote the statement condemning the protest has been fired or something.
http://deadspin.com/st-louis-cops-declare-rams-hands-up-dont-shoot-to-be-1665003269
Jeff Roorda, is the guy who wrote the statement and he definitely has not been fired because he is the St. Louis Police Officers Association. Him, just him, no one else. That organization has a real official sounding name but they (I really should say he) are not the union of St. Louis police officers.
Jeff Roorda is something else, I became familiar with him two weeks ago when he was on CNN lying about the protests in August and race baiting and carnival barking about what the rioters were going to do. He got fired from a police department for lying and falsifying reports. He caused a mild panic in St. Louis in August by going on television and proclaiming to be a friend of Darren Wilson and lying about all kinds of stuff. He is a lone wolf, racist, crap stirrer. This is the good part though, while getting involved in all of this stuff back in August, he was running for state senate or some crap as a democrat. Long story short, he is a piece of crap, he isn't "the police" or "police groups" as the media keeps referring to today. I guess it is too much work for them to do 10 minutes of research, gotta be first and loudest.
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A few questions:
Was the decision not to indict unjust?
Did the evidence warrant an indictment or possible conviction?
If the evidence was not corroborative to an indictment, then do we need to change the laws? Why?
These are important questions, because if their answers aren't basically yes, no, and if need be, yes, then anyone protesting or angered at the outcome of the Wilson grand jury is standing on loose footing.
There is not a question that something needs to be done about the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and urban citizens, but if the evidence and decision not to indict agree with the law, and the law is sound as is, then Michael Brown is a poor choice for a martyr, and any demonstrations or social unrest with him at the center is weak.
The grand jury process seems to have been a farce. I'm not really sure this case should have ever gotten that far, though. There was never more than a 0% chance of this guy getting convicted.
Was the actual jury in on the farse, or just hypnotized by the prosecutor?
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Media can be pathetic. Smart move on this dude's part to mimic the actual
St. Louis County Police Association http://slcpa.org/ with his "group's" name.
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A few questions:
Was the decision not to indict unjust?
Did the evidence warrant an indictment or possible conviction?
If the evidence was not corroborative to an indictment, then do we need to change the laws? Why?
These are important questions, because if their answers aren't basically yes, no, and if need be, yes, then anyone protesting or angered at the outcome of the Wilson grand jury is standing on loose footing.
There is not a question that something needs to be done about the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and urban citizens, but if the evidence and decision not to indict agree with the law, and the law is sound as is, then Michael Brown is a poor choice for a martyr, and any demonstrations or social unrest with him at the center is weak.
The grand jury process seems to have been a farce. I'm not really sure this case should have ever gotten that far, though. There was never more than a 0% chance of this guy getting convicted.
Was the actual jury in on the farse, or just hypnotized by the prosecutor?
The prosecutor appears to have been playing the role of defense attorney. Hard to get to a trial that way.
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Props to the Rams players (can't believe one of our racists hasn't already brought it up).
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I guess whoever wrote the statement condemning the protest has been fired or something.
http://deadspin.com/st-louis-cops-declare-rams-hands-up-dont-shoot-to-be-1665003269
Jeff Roorda, is the guy who wrote the statement and he definitely has not been fired because he is the St. Louis Police Officers Association. Him, just him, no one else. That organization has a real official sounding name but they (I really should say he) are not the union of St. Louis police officers.
Jeff Roorda is something else, I became familiar with him two weeks ago when he was on CNN lying about the protests in August and race baiting and carnival barking about what the rioters were going to do. He got fired from a police department for lying and falsifying reports. He caused a mild panic in St. Louis in August by going on television and proclaiming to be a friend of Darren Wilson and lying about all kinds of stuff. He is a lone wolf, racist, crap stirrer. This is the good part though, while getting involved in all of this stuff back in August, he was running for state senate or some crap as a democrat. Long story short, he is a piece of crap, he isn't "the police" or "police groups" as the media keeps referring to today. I guess it is too much work for them to do 10 minutes of research, gotta be first and loudest.
He was also cheerleading on CNN when they announced no indictment.
https://vine.co/v/O16061MihpL
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A few questions:
Was the decision not to indict unjust?
Did the evidence warrant an indictment or possible conviction?
If the evidence was not corroborative to an indictment, then do we need to change the laws? Why?
These are important questions, because if their answers aren't basically yes, no, and if need be, yes, then anyone protesting or angered at the outcome of the Wilson grand jury is standing on loose footing.
There is not a question that something needs to be done about the adversarial relationship between law enforcement and urban citizens, but if the evidence and decision not to indict agree with the law, and the law is sound as is, then Michael Brown is a poor choice for a martyr, and any demonstrations or social unrest with him at the center is weak.
The grand jury process seems to have been a farce. I'm not really sure this case should have ever gotten that far, though. There was never more than a 0% chance of this guy getting convicted.
Was the actual jury in on the farse, or just hypnotized by the prosecutor?
The prosecutor appears to have been playing the role of defense attorney. Hard to get to a trial that way.
Hypnosis, got it
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Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours.
Here's to hoping that doesn't mean shooting more unarmed citizens. :ohno:
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Once again, official black leader Charles Barkley gets it exactly right on Ferguson. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/12/01/Charles-Barkley-Ferguson-grand-jury-got-it-right-looters-scumbags (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/12/01/Charles-Barkley-Ferguson-grand-jury-got-it-right-looters-scumbags)
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html)
I don't think Joe is long for msnbc.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html)
I don't think Joe is long for msnbc.
Why not?
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html)
I don't think Joe is long for msnbc.
Why not?
He just trashed his own network on television, for starters.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/01/scarborough_rips_medias_bs_coverage_of_ferguson.html)
I don't think Joe is long for msnbc.
Why not?
He just trashed his own network on television, for starters.
You're dumb.
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We only interact with the cops when something goes wrong/bad
quote from Chuck.
Chuck is trying to Bill Cosby this sitch and is wrong. Ppl interact with cops all the time with out something going wrong. I mean, it's like he doesn't have YouTube or something.
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Was this posted here? probably..
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-article-1.2031841
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Rodney King happened two months after my birth. It's hard to believe that we've gone so far backwards in my lifetime.
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Was this posted here? probably..
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-article-1.2031841
That is just ridiculous.
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Was this posted here? probably..
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-article-1.2031841
That is just ridiculous.
This.
Thankfully the police were there to crack down on the heinous crime of selling cigarettes without a tax stamp. The people of NYC were finally able to sleep at night when they took that monster off the streets.
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so much for the serve and PROTECT...
Police are supposed to help those in distress correct?
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I'll post the video here, too, because cops killed a guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo
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I'll post the video here, too, because cops killed a guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo
Good grief. It's time to leave the Wilson/ Brown incident alone. This video has it all. I don't know the whole backstory, but if this guy was resisting arrest, even at the beginning, he gave in pretty quickly. The dude with the 99 shirt with his knee on Garner's head was the epitome of excessive. Dude had given up as soon as choke-hold guy jumped on his back.
The conversation before was pretty indicative of what people are angry at as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html
Lawyers: for the below, what is the purpose of the bold?
The case exposed apparent lapses in police tactics – chokeholds are banned by the Police Department’s own guidelines – and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers involved, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.
The grand jury, impanelled by the Staten Island district attorney, Daniel M. Donovan Jr., in September, has weighed evidence, including a cellphone video recorded by bystanders of Mr. Garner’s violent arrest, and heard testimony from the officers involved.
Grand juries determine whether enough evidence exists for a case to go forward to a criminal trial, either before a jury or a judge. By law, they operate in secret and hear only evidence presented by prosecutors, who also instruct the grand jurors on the law. Defense lawyers are barred from speaking. For a decision, 12 jurors who have heard all the evidence must agree.
In a statement, Mr. Donovan said that he was constrained by law from discussing details of the case but that he had petitioned the court for “authorization to publicly release specific information in connection with this grand jury investigation.”
secrecy and a unanimous decision by 12 voters just to go to trial? man. Lawyers, what's the logic behind this?
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They're saying the grand jury didn't believe there was intent by the police officer. But isn't manslaughter murder without intent and isn't it a crime?
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Police had suspected Garner of selling cigarettes illegally.
The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds.
Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him
All per CNN
Seems like they should have drawn their weapons and handcuffed the man rather than using a prohibited type of force.
Cops are so mumped. This one is going to cost the tax payers a lot in a settlement.
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was pretty neutral on the m. brown case but eff this. the police absolutely without a doubt took a life and there were a million ways the situation could have been handled differently. the man was lying there smothered and gasping "i can't breathe" god damnit.
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Sounds like that kid in the Missouri boating accident couldn't breathe either. It's getting out of hand.
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Any rasslin ref worth their salt will tell you that if you can talk, you can breathe
(happened to me in 8th grade :frown:)
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Any rasslin ref worth their salt will tell you that if you can talk, you can breathe
(happened to me in 8th grade :frown:)
That's pretty good.
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KSU based tweets right now are pretty horrific. :sdeek:
Re: Garner verdict. Our student body is :frown:
not a lot of #family feelings right now
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Video is pretty bad. Surprised no indictment. About the only thing I can say in cops defense is that dude was a friggin tank.
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Video is pretty bad. Surprised no indictment. About the only thing I can say in cops defense is that dude was a friggin tank.
A fat tank. Like an above ground storage tank. Not a battle tank.
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The only thing I can say in that cop's defense is that not only is he above the law, but above explicitly written department policies so why not hurt anyone he likes without consequences.
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By law, they operate in secret and hear only evidence presented by prosecutors, who also instruct the grand jurors on the law. Defense lawyers are barred from speaking. [/b
secrecy and a unanimous decision by 12 voters just to go to trial? man. Lawyers, what's the logic behind this?
Grand juries are just really stupid. In ye olde english times the grand jury was an accusing body made by the king to identify people committing crimes, but the grand jury could refuse royal pressure to indict, so it was protection against unfair charges.
One of its functions is supposed to be like that today -- to protect citizens (and their reputations) from potential tyranny by ("secretly") refusing to indict when the prosecutor (an arm of the executive branch) brings unjust charges. The secrecy is supposed to prevent the accused's reputation. Secrecy justifications (pulled straight from last semester's outline!) include
1. To prevent the escape of those who may be indicted (targets)
2. To insure the utmost freedom to the grand jury in its deliberations
3. To prevent subornation of perjury or tampering with the witnesses or jurors
4. To encourage free disclosure by witnesses
5. To protect the innocent accused who is exonerated from the fact that he has been under investigation.
But in reality, its screening function is purely for show. If the prosecutor wants an indictment, he gets one: It's non-adversarial (defendant isn't present or represented by anyone to argue his side); The standard of proof is probable cause; all sorts of evidence that is inadmissible at trial is admissible in front of the Grand Jury. Everything is stacked so the Prosecutor "wins" at this stage (as long as he wants to win).
Also 12 is the minimum number of people who vote to indict before it can go to trial...I don't know how it works state by state, but at least federally, there are 23 people who sit on the grand jury.
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Dude was rough ridin' tapping out. That video pisses me off. Tobacco wins again! First mike brown and now this. 4-5 cops making sure some fat guy is on the ground unarmed and they're all shitting their pants worried. This is worse than mb. This was far more careless and unnessary.
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Thanks Dlew for giving an exec summary of the proceeding. It is right on.
The reality is, in cases of cop shootings the prosecutor is vying to avoid prosecution, which makes the process simply political cover.
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Video is pretty bad. Surprised no indictment. About the only thing I can say in cops defense is that dude was a friggin tank.
Of course you need to give those bastards an out.
#notsurprised
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I hate to generalize, but eff all cops seriously. All of them are losers.
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someone needs to end Don Lemon's throat, right now, my goodness
I'm so glad I brought that phrase to gE. It makes me smile when I see it used.
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Video is pretty bad. Surprised no indictment. About the only thing I can say in cops defense is that dude was a friggin tank.
Of course you need to give those bastards an out.
#notsurprised
I'm not giving the cops an out. Looks to me like the cop should have been indicted on manslaughter.
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St. Louis County Police City of Fenton Precinct
Kids will be Kids?
On November 22nd 2014, a Cleveland Police Officer shot 12 year old Tamir Rice who had his hand on an Airsoft pistol. The Airsoft pistol had the orange warning tip removed. I do not know all the details of the story; I encourage you to research reliable resources and educated yourself about the incident. This article is not about this a boy losing his life, whether this was a justified shooting or, whether the cops acted too fast. This is about the Fenton Precinct making residents aware of a “hot” topic and learning from this incident so Fenton never loses a child’s life.
If you or your children have an Airsoft or pellet gun please sit them down and talk to them about this tragedy. Your children should have rules for “toy” guns that mirror the rules of a real weapon. Pellet guns and Airsoft guns should not be allowed to be played with throughout the neighborhood, common grounds, or used to threaten or intimidate people. Pellet guns have no orange warning tip because they are considered weapons; Airsoft guns do have orange tip. Please inspect your child’s Airsoft gun to make sure the orange tip has not been altered or removed. These guns are very realistic.
Pellet gun laws are the same as any weapon in the City of Fenton. Children cannot carry a weapon and they cannot shoot this weapon within the city limits. Airsoft guns are considered toys, but city ordinance prohibits the “shooting of any projectile within the city limits”.
Warn them that these “toys” do look like real guns and could result in the police getting called on them. The police may get called to respond to “a child with a gun”, “maybe a toy gun”, it is important to know how officers are trained to respond. If the type of gun is in question by the witness, the Police will respond as though it is a real gun until it can be confirmed one way or the other. Remember if an Airsoft pistol is tucked in your pants like a holster then obviously the orange tip is no longer visible. The police will respond lights and sirens and come to a screeching halt in the area where your child is playing with the gun. Here are some tips to help your child respond appropriately. Do not run away. They need to no longer have the gun in their hands, throw it away from them. They need to comply with officers instructions. They may be ordered to lie down on the ground. Clear communication between your child and the police is essential. Police need to know that it is a toy gun; I do hope I am explaining a scenario that will never happen in our area.
So again, “kids will be kids”, and your children will continue playing war in the common grounds. Share this with your children; tell this story to families that might need this information, and encourage your kids to talk to classmates about this. Working together we will keep our community a safe place.
This is their facebook page. I cannot imagine anyone less self aware. Its like they are asking to be hated.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/22/spike-lee-splices-footage-of-eric-garners-death-with-radio-raheems-in-do-the-right-thing/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/22/spike-lee-splices-footage-of-eric-garners-death-with-radio-raheems-in-do-the-right-thing/)
Michael Brown attacked a cop. I do not think that cop should've shot him, but once you make the choice to get into an altercation physically with the cop, the law is basically going to let him do whatever he wants. Garner was just asking them to stop harassing him and they choked him to death. I cannot watch this stuff anymore guys. Its too hard on me.
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Rand Paul blames Eric Garner's death on high NYC cigarette tax
of course he does :lol:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Rand Paul blames Eric Garner's death on high NYC cigarette tax
of course he does :lol:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
That's the right wing talking point today. Taxes killed Eric Garner.
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Rand Paul blames Eric Garner's death on high NYC cigarette tax
of course he does :lol:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/rand-paul-eric-garner-taxes/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
That's the right wing talking point today. Taxes killed Eric Garner.
I wish choke hold cops last name was tax.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
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Definitely Obamas fault. That and North Carolina.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/officer-who-fatally-shot-tamir-rice-had-been-judged-unfit
dude just wanted more action
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.
Good grief. Its ridiculous to over regulate anything and everything. Its ridiculous to harass a dude for pedaling cigarettes (what's his daily income on that? $200 on a good day?). And its criminal to choke him to death, and watch him die like a roadkill squirrel without assisting him at all.
RP is right that cops shouldn't have to deal with minor stuff like illegal cigarettes (who the eff cares). But the bigger issue is the license to kill that cops have.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. Of course the overzealous cop was the most proximate cause of his death. The guy's severe obesity and asthma was undoubtedly another contributing factor. But I do think the arrest itself was ridiculous. It's a stupid law and a stupid waste of law enforcement to enforce that law. Rand Paul is right to point that out. He's not saying the cop had nothing to do with it, but the cop would never have been in that situation if not for a very stupid tax and law.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
it would be helpful if we had a video tape of the victim desperately telling the policeman he couldn't breathe numerous times
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
it would be helpful if we had a video tape of the victim desperately telling the policeman he couldn't breathe numerous times
Why?
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
I though I heard somewhere that he had asthma. Mrs. Fedor, who is an expert in such matters, commented "How did he die of from that?" when watching the video. Also Mrs. Fedor stated that people with breathing issues are put in greater danger when handcuffed with their hands behind them and laying on their chest.
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If only there was a way to avoid killing someone with asthma when choking them.
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If only there was a way to avoid killing someone with asthma when choking them.
I bet there is.
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Not that it matters, but if he was saying "I can't breath" - then he was breathing. He just wasn't breathing well. The dude was a 500 pound asthmatic having his chest compressed to the pavement. His heart was in bad shape to begin with. Dumbass cops should have taken that into account.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
Again, I don't think it's a good idea to go around putting chokeholds on people who are not being violent. My point is that a chokehold of the type and duration of the one in the video cannot be reasonably expected to cause death. I think that's relevant to the mens rea component.
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Was he pointing out that it's absurd that he was forcibly arrested over such an absurd law? Because I agree with that.
You don't think drugs should be regulated?
That's cute - but let's maybe not be cute about this, ok? The dude wasn't dealing crack or even marijuana - he was selling tobacco in the form of "loose cigarettes" - which would ordinarily be legal except that it violated an ordinance designed to prevent people from dodging a hefty city sales tax. I'm simply pointing out that it seems absurd for someone to die over such an absurd infraction of an absurd law - and I think that may be Rand Paul's point also.
I don't think it's ridiculous to arrest him. He didn't die over the infraction. He died because the murderer cop choked him out.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. Of course the overzealous cop was the most proximate cause of his death. The guy's severe obesity and asthma was undoubtedly another contributing factor. But I do think the arrest itself was ridiculous. It's a stupid law and a stupid waste of law enforcement to enforce that law. Rand Paul is right to point that out. He's not saying the cop had nothing to do with it, but the cop would never have been in that situation if not for a very stupid tax and law.
The law isn't stupid at all if you don't like the idea of people selling cigarettes to kids on street corners. Drugs need to be regulated.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
He died of a heart attack is what I read. Brought on by choking and asthma and heart disease. This wasn't nearly as egregious as shooting somebody a bunch of times.
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
But a source close to the Medical Examiner’s investigation said coroners are also investigating whether the chokehold still contributed to Garner’s death by aggravating his pre-existing conditions of obesity, asthma and possible heart disease. He died of cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
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It was ruled homicide by a medical examiner, who likely took everything mentioned here into account. That's enough to charge someone with murder, manslaughter etc
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
Just how far do you think that guy could run?
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All of my chokeouts probably would've resulted in death had gE'rs not pried my hands off.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
If the alternative is killing them for selling smokes, I'd be cool with that.
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It was ruled homicide by a medical examiner, who likely took everything mentioned here into account. That's enough to charge someone with murder, manslaughter etc
No, it's pretty straightforward for the medical examiner. It's not his job to perform a mini-trial in his head. That a death is ruled a homicide does not necessarily mean a criminal act has occurred. So, yeah, you're super wrong.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
If the alternative is killing them for selling smokes, I'd be cool with that.
Eat themselves into immunity. :mangina:
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How many kids' lives did these cops save by killing this guy? I'd say 10-15 lives from dying from lung cancer, 5-7 from throat cancer, and when you figure in the second-hand health effects, well I say these cops need to get a medal.
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It was ruled homicide by a medical examiner, who likely took everything mentioned here into account. That's enough to charge someone with murder, manslaughter etc
No, it's pretty straightforward for the medical examiner. It's not his job to perform a mini-trial in his head. That a death is ruled a homicide does not necessarily mean a criminal act has occurred. So, yeah, you're super wrong.
Correct. "Homicide" only means a death caused by another person, but not necessarily wrongful.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
He didn't resist arrest. The officers never informed him that he would be placed under arrest. They attacked him like a gang.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
It would be safer to shoot them in the buttocks with a tranquilizer dart, like they do for rhinos.
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The local shop owners called the police to get rid of him. He had been arrested like 30+ times, I'm sure he knew that jerking away from the cops would be viewed as resisting.
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If the movie The Purge was real, cops would be really good at it. They've been practicing for years. Kinda unfair.
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Cops should just let big fat people go if the resist arrest.
He didn't resist arrest. The officers never informed him that he would be placed under arrest. They attacked him like a gang.
From what I've heard, that was edited out of the video everyone has seen, the full video has the police talking
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The local shop owners called the police to get rid of him. He had been arrested like 30+ times, I'm sure he knew that jerking away from the cops would be viewed as resisting.
Link?
A guy that's on Hosie's show often lives right there and is pretty familiar with the whole situation.
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is this what "ending your throat" means?
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The police officer's actions led to his death. However, I don't think his actions were sufficient to cause the death of a normal, healthy individual. There is no way his hold cut off the supply of oxygen to the brain long enough to cause death. Not defending the cop. Just breaking down the film.
I guess we will never know how the guy who was being choked aggressively died. Could have been cancer I guess. No need to perform an autopsy.
Probably allergic to ambulance rides.
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How do cops normally arrest normal sized ppl that put their hands up and say "don't touch me"? I mean, that has to be like day one of training, right? Maybe just apply that model?
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How do cops normally arrest normal sized ppl that put their hands up and say "don't touch me"? I mean, that has to be like day one of training, right? Maybe just apply that model?
Choke hold
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How do cops normally arrest normal sized ppl that put their hands up and say "don't touch me"? I mean, that has to be like day one of training, right? Maybe just apply that model?
They rough you up that's for sure. Might be a tasing or pepper spraying in your future. Cops round these parts are big on tasing. Like they wrassle with you for a bit, but that taser is coming out pretty quick if you keep it up. Many of them aren't very physically imposing or fit really, so that makes sense. I think the vast majority of people lose most of the fight in them after a tazing or two.
You in favor of them tasing this guy instead? Like they try to cuff him and he won't let them and then ZAP?
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Damn you pit.... http://www.k-state.edu/today/announcement.php?id=17249&category=from_the_administration&referredBy=email
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One would think selling "loose cigarettes" would be more of an offense that just warranted a citation, not an arrest.
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Damn you pit.... http://www.k-state.edu/today/announcement.php?id=17249&category=from_the_administration&referredBy=email
That has nothing whatsoever to do with this website.
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Damn you pit.... http://www.k-state.edu/today/announcement.php?id=17249&category=from_the_administration&referredBy=email
That has nothing whatsoever to do with this website.
Upon rereading it, you may be right. Not sure how I could have gotten so confused. How silly of me.
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How do cops normally arrest normal sized ppl that put their hands up and say "don't touch me"? I mean, that has to be like day one of training, right? Maybe just apply that model?
They rough you up that's for sure. Might be a tasing or pepper spraying in your future. Cops round these parts are big on tasing. Like they wrassle with you for a bit, but that taser is coming out pretty quick if you keep it up. Many of them aren't very physically imposing or fit really, so that makes sense. I think the vast majority of people lose most of the fight in them after a tazing or two.
You in favor of them tasing this guy instead? Like they try to cuff him and he won't let them and then ZAP?
What if the cop just doesn't like carrying a taser and would rather shoot the perp instead?
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How do cops normally arrest normal sized ppl that put their hands up and say "don't touch me"? I mean, that has to be like day one of training, right? Maybe just apply that model?
They rough you up that's for sure. Might be a tasing or pepper spraying in your future. Cops round these parts are big on tasing. Like they wrassle with you for a bit, but that taser is coming out pretty quick if you keep it up. Many of them aren't very physically imposing or fit really, so that makes sense. I think the vast majority of people lose most of the fight in them after a tazing or two.
You in favor of them tasing this guy instead? Like they try to cuff him and he won't let them and then ZAP?
What if the cop just doesn't like carrying a taser and would rather shoot the perp instead?
What if the cop is also like a big raper and instead just wants to rape the guy? #questions
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I'm not going to pay much attention to a PR statement on race/social media put out by a guy who called the zeal leading up to a game against West Virginia (inbred illiterates) "borderline racism."
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Damn you pit.... http://www.k-state.edu/today/announcement.php?id=17249&category=from_the_administration&referredBy=email
can we get more details on what this is all about?
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Some dumbass racists made stupid comments on a #1thread app and now some 20yr old crusader wants the animal to throw anonymous people out of school
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The local shop owners called the police to get rid of him. He had been arrested like 30+ times, I'm sure he knew that jerking away from the cops would be viewed as resisting.
Link?
A guy that's on Hosie's show often lives right there and is pretty familiar with the whole situation.
An article being read on xm this morning. Could be bullshit I suppose but this show doesn't really have a noticeable bias.
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K-State kicking out people for being idiot dumbfucks would actually be pretty elite. Very big time.
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Some dumbass racists made stupid comments on a #1thread app and now some 20yr old crusader wants the animal to throw anonymous people out of school
wtf is a #1thread app
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Some dumbass racists made stupid comments on a #1thread app and now some 20yr old crusader wants the animal to throw anonymous people out of school
wtf is a #1thread app
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33237.msg1220278#msg1220278 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33237.msg1220278#msg1220278)
Something for pathetic loser idiots to hide behind.
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Yik yak, it's location based anonymous twitter basically. I'm too old to get the appeal
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Pepper spray would have been a good start. I guess officer chokehold prob doesn't like that because he might get pepper in his own eyes during the subsequent choking/killing. Tazing could have been a good second attempt.
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Some dumbass racists made stupid comments on a #1thread app and now some 20yr old crusader wants the animal to throw anonymous people out of school
wtf is a #1thread app
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33237.msg1220278#msg1220278 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33237.msg1220278#msg1220278)
Something for pathetic loser idiots to hide behind.
jfc knock it off. in no way shape or form is #1thread the same thing as what happened on yik yak. i saw some of the stuff on yik yak while it was happening and its from immature ignorant people that feel like they are invincible and can get away with anything.
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I think they are saying that yik yak is the #1thread of real life
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Also I have never heard of yik yak before in my life
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Yik yak, it's location based anonymous twitter basically. I'm too old to get the appeal
YouTube comments section on steroids, pretty much.
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Also I have never heard of yik yak before in my life
I heard the youngsters talking about it, so I checked it out a few months ago. It's pretty bad. Sure there are some that seemed to treat it like twitter or bbs'n for humor, but most is just horrid.
80% is ignorant crap, racism, calling girls sluts by name, etc. I couldn't handle that crap.
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its mostly younger ppl that just dont rough ridin' get it and can get mumped, there are some things i enjoy when they are creative posts, but yeah, the majority is ppl that are just ignorant and think its ok to say things online that most would never say out loud IRL
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KSU based tweets right now are pretty horrific. :sdeek:
Re: Garner verdict. Our student body is :frown:
not a lot of #family feelings right now
this was in reference to the "yik yak" thing; never heard of it tho :cyclist:
ya'll are days behind. :(
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The whole incident was sparked by allegations of selling cigarettes without a license. NYC is a precious little police state
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The whole incident was sparked by allegations of selling cigarettes without a license. NYC is a precious little police state
And Mike Brown was stealing cigars. Basically, tobacco will kill you.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/05/1349673/-About-the-strange-behavior-of-officers-after-they-killed-Akai-Gurley-Tamir-Rice-and-Eric-Garner#
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Oh Sweet Tiny Little Baby Jesus, we truly are experiencing a decline into American Idiocracy.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/07/columbia-law-school-students-will-be-allowed-to-postpone-final-exams-over-grand-jury-decisions/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/07/columbia-law-school-students-will-be-allowed-to-postpone-final-exams-over-grand-jury-decisions/)
Columbia University has allowed law school students who feel they suffered trauma from two high-profile grand jury decisions to postpone taking their final exams, the school’s interim dean Robert Scott wrote in a message to students this weekend.
“The law school has a policy and set of procedures for students who experience trauma during exam period,” reads Scott’s message, according to the blog PowerLine.
“In accordance with these procedures and policy, students who feel that their performance on examinations will be sufficiently impaired due to the effects of these recent events may petition Dean Alice Rigas to have an examination rescheduled,” Scott continued, citing a St. Louis County grand jury’s decision not to indict Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson for fatally shooting 18-year-old Michael Brown in August as well as a Staten Island grand jury’s decision not to indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo for using a chokehold which killed 43-year-old Eric Garner in July.
Both cases have sparked heavy protests, as both officers are white while both Brown and Garner are black.
“The grand juries’ determinations to return non-indictments in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases have shaken the faith of some in the integrity of the grand jury system and in the law more generally,” the message says.
“For some law students, particularly, though not only, students of color, this chain of events is all the more profound as it threatens to undermine a sense that the law is a fundamental pillar of society designed to protect fairness, due process and equality.”
Besides postponing exams, Scott announced other concessions.
The school will be holding special sessions next week with trauma specialist Dr. Shirley Matthews, Scott announced. Several faculty members have also agreed to hold special office hours to discuss the implications of the grand juries’ decisions.
The school will set up a reading group, speaker series and teach-ins next semester to “formulate a response to the implications, including racial meanings, of these non-indictments.”
Smith did not respond to The Daily Caller’s request for more detail on how long students can postpone taking their exams.
Columbia routinely ranks as one of the top law schools in the country.
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
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that ain't crap compared to what used to go on at Columbia
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
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Why does that bother you, ksuw?
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Why does that bother you, ksuw?
just punt finals for everyone because all this translates to is these students stayed up late debating the GJ decisions instead of studying
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Why does that bother you, ksuw?
It bothers me because it's just more evidence of how stupid we're becoming as nation when an esteemed law school - liberal as it may be - feels compelled to provide counseling and postponement of finals for law students traumatized by legal procedings.
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Yeah, me too. I told them I work for my money and I'd like to EARN my degree thank you very much.
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Add Princeton and you have the list of schools I told to GMAFB
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Add Princeton and you have the list of schools I told to GMAFB
plus Chicago, NYU, Penn, Virginia, Georgetown, Duke, Cornell and Northwestern. #Overrated #TexasFight
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Add Princeton and you have the list of schools I told to GMAFB
plus Chicago, NYU, Penn, Virginia, Georgetown, Duke, Cornell and Northwestern. #Overrated #TexasFight
I didn't even apply to those schools out of high school. No sense wasting the time when all I'd do was mush them anyway. No thanks. I'm sure a lot of us on here did exactly the same thing.
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Add Princeton and you have the list of schools I told to GMAFB
plus Chicago, NYU, Penn, Virginia, Georgetown, Duke, Cornell and Northwestern. #Overrated #TexasFight
don't forget rough ridin' Washburn. #Overrated #TexasFight
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All of the top ranked schools are basically just diploma mills, anyway, and always have been. They have graduation rates around 90%. You can't fail there unless you want to.
This is exactly why I told Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Columbia to GTFOOMF.
Add Princeton and you have the list of schools I told to GMAFB
plus Chicago, NYU, Penn, Virginia, Georgetown, Duke, Cornell and Northwestern. #Overrated #TexasFight
don't forget rough ridin' Washburn. #Overrated #TexasFight
Ichabods? More like IchaNopes!
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Ickybods
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DOJ autopsy corroborates the "struggle" version of the story. Thank god we got the stasi-state police force involved to do what the grand jury already did
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmyMKtmwU4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmyMKtmwU4
Those kids are having the time of their lives.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmyMKtmwU4
Those kids are having the time of their lives.
as they should. It's what college is for.
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Hopefully their finals will be cancelled and all given an A+ for their efforts from the UC Berkley diploma mill.
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jesus christ this guy:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/12/cleveland-police-union-chief-gives-most
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jesus christ this guy:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/12/cleveland-police-union-chief-gives-most
could anyone be less self aware?
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Sounds like a key witness in support of the GJ result to not prosecute wasn't even in the same zipcode that day.
The prosecutor should be polishing his resume
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jesus christ this guy:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/12/cleveland-police-union-chief-gives-most
Amazing.
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http://wonkette.com/569324/bay-area-cop-threatens-to-shoot-everybody-who-thinks-their-lives-matter
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that guy is The Worst
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/unmasking-Ferguson-witness-40-496236
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/some-witnesses-told-obvious-lies-to-michael-brown-grand-jury/article_fd6effff-fc82-5df2-a248-cb93587847c7.html
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a prosecutor decided not to prosecute that security guard that pepper sprayed that guy in the face at the demonstration at the seattle mall for assault (or anything else).
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a prosecutor decided not to prosecute that security guard that pepper sprayed that guy in the face at the demonstration at the seattle mall for assault (or anything else).
Wild coincidence - I just walked out of that mall. There's dudes with megaphones there trying to get people to follow god. They had no idea who Michael Beasley was. Sad, really.
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lol
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Do we talk about the black lives matter protest at the Sprint center in this thread?
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Do we talk about the black lives matter protest at the Sprint center in this thread?
How the eff should I know?
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It is being reported on Fox News web a gunman walked up and killed two police officers sitting in their car. Gunman's motive is believed revenge for Brown and Garner Incidents. hate breeds hate.
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Do we talk about the black lives matter protest at the Sprint center in this thread?
So did anything noteworthy happen or was there just a protest?
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DeBlasio will probably declare martial law
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Interesting. Two NYPD officiers killed sitting in their car by a man seeking revenge for the Garner affair. Holder and Obama have condemned this in statements; coming from the two who helped this cauldron of hate foam and boil to this point - just for votes for Democrats. Yet no outrage on this board for the killing of cops tied to race hate of authority.
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Cops are trash, no big loss
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I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand:
The outrage is tied to people who kill other people and then our justice system does not attempt to hold them accountable. The outrage is not for people who kill other people and are held accountable through the justice system.
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The guy also shot his girlfriend and himself. Blame that on Obama too?
Very tragic and likely to make things a lot worse. I have no doubt he picked cops instead of a grade school because of the current firestorm, but otherwise this looks like the beloved american past time "shooting rampage"
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People protesting the injustice of the law is a crock. IMO protests are fueled by a hatred of authority that is being ingrained into the vulnerable populations of our society by people who profit from the vicitimination of others - they don't give a rat's ass about those they say they champion. They do their advocacy for money. All Sharp ton, Jesse Jackson, Obama, Holder, etc
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Looks like we've got us a good ol' fashioned race war on our hands, and everybody's blaming everybody else for starting it. Meanwhile, blacks get poorer, the police get harsher, racist stereotypes are more firmly reinforced, everyone loses.
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The officers weren't white so....
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you can pretty much blame the protesters for this
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and the mayor.
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I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand:
The outrage is tied to people who kill other people and then our justice system does not attempt to hold them accountable. The outrage is not for people who kill other people and are held accountable through the justice system.
That's hilariously false.
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What do we want? . . . DEAD COPS!!!
When do we want it? . . . NOW!!!
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Do we talk about the black lives matter protest at the Sprint center in this thread?
So did anything noteworthy happen or was there just a protest?
Kept a bunch of us from getting into the building until well into the game.
Also, lots of tucks talking about scared kids and scared grandmas.
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Why didn't you push those losers out of the way?
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The tucks?
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What do we want? . . . DEAD COPS!!!
When do we want it? . . . NOW!!!
That guy shouldn't have a gun.
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Do we talk about the black lives matter protest at the Sprint center in this thread?
So did anything noteworthy happen or was there just a protest?
Kept a bunch of us from getting into the building until well into the game.
Also, lots of tucks talking about scared kids and scared grandmas.
I bet they would have left me in.
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What do we want? . . . DEAD COPS!!!
When do we want it? . . . NOW!!!
The greatest thing that those 200 or so people did is to give irrational people the basis to make false equivalencies and to put all protesters into a nice little violent box. Never mind that 99.99% of protesters and people who think police reform are needed are totally horrified by this fuckhead shooting three people.
Yep, I'm totally sure this nut bag heard that 7 second clip and heard Bill DeBlasio say that we need to take a look at race and policing and decided nearly a month later to kill his girlfriend and two cops. That guy was a normal, well adjusted citizen with no propensity for violence until protesters and the mayor of a city in which he didn't live pushed him to the edge.
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The mainstream media, left or right leaning, won't turn their false outrage machines towards the NYPD because we've been told that they are just the greatest; but their actions in the wake of these shootings are shameful. Using the deaths of these two gentlemen to push a political agenda is absolutely disgusting. Blaming protesters and the mayor on what that psycho did is a disgrace. People shouldn't have to feel obligated for the actions of a sociopath simply because they are exercising their first amendment rights. What I just said isn't at all controversial but I look forward to renocat and FSD disagreeing anyway.
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I agree with MIR (he's black AND smart).
Gonna win 'em all!
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What was the timeline of when this guy attacked his girl and was instagram'n his cop-kill'n plans compared to when the NY cop union was running its "I can breathe" campaign?
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If a person believes that if this guy didn't have a gun the 2 pd would be alive, do they also believe that the two pd would be alive if he had not heard about perceived injustices?
Personally I don't blame the gun or the protest for the lives of the officers. I blame the guy that murdered them.
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So some guy who has a history of documented mental health issues, documented hatred of the government and a criminal record goes rouge and kills a couple cops, and now police everywhere are using the story to prove that all police shootings before and after this act are justified and that the general public are now all guilty until proven innocent.
Just what I expected from the police lovers.
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Police racially profile black people for decades.
Black people say "We're scared and don't trust the cops"
Cops say "Don't be a criminal and you have nothing to worry about"
Cops start killing non-criminals (people with airsoft guns) or people that committed petty crimes (selling cigarettes)
Some crazy guy kills 2 cops
Cops: "We're scared and don't trust the public"
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I agree, it's the crazy that's to blame, but I also note how the libtards have finally appeared to figure this out in this particular instance. That's not what they said about Gabby Giffords, or many other shootings where they tripped all over themselves trying to find any connection at all to conservatism. Here, there actually is at least a nominal connection to the anti-police sentiment being whipped up by the race baiters, but nope - he's just crazy! Oh well, I'm sure they'll keep this in mind the next time they're looking for a conservative boogeyman, right?
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I agree, it's the crazy that's to blame, but I also note how the libtards have finally appeared to figure this out in this particular instance. That's not what they said about Gabby Giffords, or many other shootings where they tripped all over themselves trying to find any connection at all to conservatism. Here, there actually is at least a nominal connection to the anti-police sentiment being whipped up by the race baiters, but nope - he's just crazy! Oh well, I'm sure they'll keep this in mind the next time they're looking for a conservative boogeyman, right?
Proving this point was my objective above. I'm stunned how well it worked. We have a lot of really dumb libtards around here.
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Like I'm stupid enough to blame a mob for the singular actions of a lunatic, good grief.
The hypocrisy in this thread is rich, beyond it to the anti-gun thread. Cops and crazies lumped together, fighting against a societal demographic, while a cop killer is a lone wolf.
Of similar disingenuity, the notion that the collective mob is fighting for "police reform". GMAFB
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So some guy who has a history of documented mental health issues, documented hatred of the government and a criminal record goes rouge and kills a couple cops, and now police everywhere are using the story to prove that all police shootings before and after this act are justified and that the general public are now all guilty until proven innocent.
Just what I expected from the police lovers.
Too much lipstick too much rouge!
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I agree, it's the crazy that's to blame, but I also note how the libtards have finally appeared to figure this out in this particular instance. That's not what they said about Gabby Giffords, or many other shootings where they tripped all over themselves trying to find any connection at all to conservatism. Here, there actually is at least a nominal connection to the anti-police sentiment being whipped up by the race baiters, but nope - he's just crazy! Oh well, I'm sure they'll keep this in mind the next time they're looking for a conservative boogeyman, right?
Anyone who blamed the Giffords shooting on anything but "crazy" is an idiot.
Same with this Brooklyn shooting.
Unfortunately you conservtards and libtards are really just all the same. Blame the other side when it's convenient, blame crazy when it is not.
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Yup, 'round and 'round we go.
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I'm conservative. So don't say we are all the same.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I agree, it's the crazy that's to blame, but I also note how the libtards have finally appeared to figure this out in this particular instance. That's not what they said about Gabby Giffords, or many other shootings where they tripped all over themselves trying to find any connection at all to conservatism. Here, there actually is at least a nominal connection to the anti-police sentiment being whipped up by the race baiters, but nope - he's just crazy! Oh well, I'm sure they'll keep this in mind the next time they're looking for a conservative boogeyman, right?
No one politicized the Tuscon shootings, it was all about mental illness and how the mentally ill acquire guns. If crazy people getting guns is a conservative standard then I guess people attacked conservatism in the Tuscon shootings.
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Mods, add "again" to the thread title.
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/stackizshort?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1i2lw&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141224000120
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so im watching, other than the obvious, any background to this current protest?
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so im watching, other than the obvious, any background to this current protest?
Mods, add "again" to the thread title.
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:frown:
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This camera chick's got some ball.
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when they are towing police cars in the background you know its bad
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so he pulled a gun and pointed it at the cop in the video. why did the guys approach the cop anyway when he was getting out of his car?
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What is this country coming to that you can't point a gun at a police officer without being shot?
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What is this country coming to that you can't point a gun at a police officer without being shot?
sometimes you don't even have to point it at him! or even have a gun at all!
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I agree, it's the crazy that's to blame, but I also note how the libtards have finally appeared to figure this out in this particular instance. That's not what they said about Gabby Giffords, or many other shootings where they tripped all over themselves trying to find any connection at all to conservatism. Here, there actually is at least a nominal connection to the anti-police sentiment being whipped up by the race baiters, but nope - he's just crazy! Oh well, I'm sure they'll keep this in mind the next time they're looking for a conservative boogeyman, right?
No one politicized the Tuscon shootings, it was all about mental illness and how the mentally ill acquire guns. If crazy people getting guns is a conservative standard then I guess people attacked conservatism in the Tuscon shootings.
Bullshit, the democrats tried to ram through a crap load of anti gun legislation right after that.
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Wichita PD shoot and kill an unarmed
teen 23 year old, the national media has not descended, Al Sharpton is not fomenting riots. I guess it just doesn't count if you're hispanic. http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html)
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You're an idiot.
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Wichita PD shoot and kill an unarmed teen, the national mdia has not descended, Al Sharpton is not fomenting riots. I guess it just doesn't count if you're hispanic. http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html)
Did you even read a word of the article? The first sentence describes the deceased as a 23-year-old man. You must have glossed over that in your haste to stir crap up.
:flush:
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Wichita PD shoot and kill an unarmed teen, the national mdia has not descended, Al Sharpton is not fomenting riots. I guess it just doesn't count if you're hispanic. http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html)
Did you even read a word of the article? The first sentence describes the deceased as a 23-year-old man. You must have glossed over that in your haste to stir crap up.
:flush:
Oh sorry - 'cause that's like the whole difference, isn't it? :lol: Eric Garner was 43.
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23 is the new 17 everbody knows that
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Wichita PD shoot and kill an unarmed teen, the national mdia has not descended, Al Sharpton is not fomenting riots. I guess it just doesn't count if you're hispanic. http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html (http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5467845.html)
Did you even read a word of the article? The first sentence describes the deceased as a 23-year-old man. You must have glossed over that in your haste to stir crap up.
:flush:
Oh sorry - 'cause that's like the whole difference, isn't it? :lol: Eric Garner was 43.
No, you're right. It's awful and there should be outrage. I was merely pointing out how you don't actually give a crap enough to even read the article you posted.
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Seriously - where's Al?
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Seriously - where's Al?
Seriously
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Seriously, where's Al now?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/01/07/officer-shoots-kills-burlington-woman/21403183/
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Seriously, where's Al now?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2015/01/07/officer-shoots-kills-burlington-woman/21403183/
Man's best friend, my ass.
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Seriously - where's Al?
wait, so, the riots were what got everyone's attention? that's crazy
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/timothy_loehmann_the_cleveland.html
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/extended_tamir_rice_shooting_v.html
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/timothy_loehmann_the_cleveland.html
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/extended_tamir_rice_shooting_v.html
disgusting
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holy crap, this cop has shot and killed TWO people, the last one was an unarmed man and there's video! I recommend reading the article and then watching the video.
http://news.yahoo.com/officer-says-had-no-choice-killing-unarmed-man-183618248.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV442QGydg
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holy crap, this cop has shot and killed TWO people, the last one was an unarmed man and there's video! I recommend reading the article and then watching the video.
http://news.yahoo.com/officer-says-had-no-choice-killing-unarmed-man-183618248.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV442QGydg
that guy doesn't seem hateful but he looks to be so stupid that he thinks shooting people is part of the job.
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I have to assume they won't hand this to a prosecutor as bad at his job as Mcollough
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that guy doesn't seem hateful but he looks to be so stupid that he thinks shooting people is part of the job.
what makes you think he's wrong?
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that guy doesn't seem hateful but he looks to be so stupid that he thinks shooting people is part of the job.
what makes you think he's wrong?
cops are supposed to hate society but he thinks he's serving society. big difference in motivation for slaughtering civilians.
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holy crap, this cop has shot and killed TWO people, the last one was an unarmed man and there's video! I recommend reading the article and then watching the video.
http://news.yahoo.com/officer-says-had-no-choice-killing-unarmed-man-183618248.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmV442QGydg
that guy doesn't seem hateful but he looks to be so stupid that he thinks shooting people is part of the job.
how do you think he wound up being a cop?
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he thinks he's serving society.
i think they all think that.
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All these guys think they are patrolling Fallujah
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people are feeling sorry for this guy because he cried
http://bearingarms.com/aftershock-dash-cam-captures-emotional-trauma-officer-involved-shooting/
http://fox6now.com/2015/01/11/emotional-montana-police-officer-breaks-down-after-shooting-killing-unarmed-suspect/
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Lesson learned. If a cop tells you multiple times to put your hands on the seatback in front of you or you will be shot, you should put your hands on the seatback in front of you.
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Lesson learned. If a cop tells you multiple times to put your hands on the seatback in front of you or you will be shot, you should put your hands on the seatback in front of you.
Cuz America
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Land of the free!
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
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http://mic.com/articles/108372/one-tweet-shows-the-hypocrisy-of-america-s-reaction-to-white-people-rioting-at-ohio-state (http://mic.com/articles/108372/one-tweet-shows-the-hypocrisy-of-america-s-reaction-to-white-people-rioting-at-ohio-state)
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
I don't know why that Yahoo article left it out but Ramirez was wanted in a robbery and a shooting the previous night and the cop knew that. He had reason to think that Ramirez was strapped.
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
I don't know why that Yahoo article left it out but Ramirez was wanted in a robbery and a shooting the previous night and the cop knew that. He had reason to think that Ramirez was strapped.
ah that is a pretty big omission.
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
I don't know why that Yahoo article left it out but Ramirez was wanted in a robbery and a shooting the previous night and the cop knew that. He had reason to think that Ramirez was strapped.
That shouldn't have any bearing on his decision to shoot at all. Anybody could have a gun behind them in the seat whether they had been involved in a shooting or not. If you are told to show your hands multiple times and you put your hand behind you in the seat you will be shot. As a cop, it's certainly information you would like to have before you confront someone, but the outcome is going to be the same, regardless.
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
I don't know why that Yahoo article left it out but Ramirez was wanted in a robbery and a shooting the previous night and the cop knew that. He had reason to think that Ramirez was strapped.
That shouldn't have any bearing on his decision to shoot at all. Anybody could have a gun behind them in the seat whether they had been involved in a shooting or not. If you are told to show your hands multiple times and you put your hand behind you in the seat you will be shot. As a cop, it's certainly information you would like to have before you confront someone, but the outcome is going to be the same, regardless.
it absolutely should have some bearing. Someone who wasn't wanted for shooting someone would be far less likely to be armed, and probably more likely to be too confused, scared, and pumped with adrenaline when having obscenities screamed at them with a gun in their face. The approach that guy took seems like it would make a lot of bad situations far worse than they need to be.
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From the MichCat Montana article.
The ruling came after Billings Police Officer Grant Morrison testified he feared for his life when he fired the three shots that killed 38-year-old Richard Ramirez.
This is probably the most important part of it all right here.
I don't know why that Yahoo article left it out but Ramirez was wanted in a robbery and a shooting the previous night and the cop knew that. He had reason to think that Ramirez was strapped.
That shouldn't have any bearing on his decision to shoot at all. Anybody could have a gun behind them in the seat whether they had been involved in a shooting or not. If you are told to show your hands multiple times and you put your hand behind you in the seat you will be shot. As a cop, it's certainly information you would like to have before you confront someone, but the outcome is going to be the same, regardless.
it absolutely should have some bearing. Someone who wasn't wanted for shooting someone would be far less likely to be armed, and probably more likely to be too confused, scared, and pumped with adrenaline when having obscenities screamed at them with a gun in their face. The approach that guy took seems like it would make a lot of bad situations far worse than they need to be.
There was nothing confusing about the exchange.
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yeah, nothing scary, either. Just your typical traffic stop.
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yeah, nothing scary, either. Just your typical traffic stop.
The guy was a 38 year old meth addicted criminal that shot a guy in the arm while robbing him the night before. I don't think he was scared.
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yeah, nothing scary, either. Just your typical traffic stop.
The guy was a 38 year old meth addicted criminal that shot a guy in the arm while robbing him the night before. I don't think he was scared.
huh, maybe if you're a cop and you recognize a 38 year old meth addicted criminal that shot a guy in the arm while robbing him the night before you might approach the situation differently than a random citizen. And be expected to.
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yeah, nothing scary, either. Just your typical traffic stop.
The guy was a 38 year old meth addicted criminal that shot a guy in the arm while robbing him the night before. I don't think he was scared.
huh, maybe if you're a cop and you recognize a 38 year old meth addicted criminal that shot a guy in the arm while robbing him the night before you might approach the situation differently than a random citizen. And be expected to.
I think if a cop asks me I'll just raise my hands and not worry about those that don't.
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If you think someone has a gun in a car call for effing back up or something
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Unless you are a cop. It is the job of the police to play judge, jury, and executioner as they stand their ground
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my favorite is still the one from a few months ago where the cop approaches a guy who is out of his car at a gas station and asks him for his drivers license and then the guy opens his car door to lean in and get it for him and the cop shoots him.
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my favorite is still the one from a few months ago where the cop approaches a guy who is out of his car at a gas station and asks him for his drivers license and then the guy opens his car door to lean in and get it for him and the cop shoots him.
this one is a good one because the guy lived AND the cop was charged with crimes
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my favorite is still the one from a few months ago where the cop approaches a guy who is out of his car at a gas station and asks him for his drivers license and then the guy opens his car door to lean in and get it for him and the cop shoots him.
this one is a good one because the guy lived AND the cop was charged with crimes
He was just standing his ground
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-man-shot-dead-by-new-jersey-police-had-hands-raised/
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-man-shot-dead-by-new-jersey-police-had-hands-raised/
Sounds like first degree murder to me. I haven't watched the video yet, but the cop had a clear motive, and if the man's hands were raised and his gun taken away, I just don't see how it's not murder.
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it's not murder because he's a cop.
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I wish you could see better, when he initially asked them to not move he freaks out and says the guy is moving but the guys right arm is out of the window. The cop that fired his weapon appeared to be on a different planet than the other cop on the other side of the vehicle who was super calm.
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it's not murder because he's a cop.
Its also not racist because the cop is black.
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I wish you could see better, when he initially asked them to not move he freaks out and says the guy is moving but the guys right arm is out of the window. The cop that fired his weapon appeared to be on a different planet than the other cop on the other side of the vehicle who was super calm.
The cop shot a guy he had previously arrested for shooting at cops. It was a revenge killing.
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I wish you could see better, when he initially asked them to not move he freaks out and says the guy is moving but the guys right arm is out of the window. The cop that fired his weapon appeared to be on a different planet than the other cop on the other side of the vehicle who was super calm.
The cop shot a guy he had previously arrested for shooting at cops. It was a revenge killing.
Preventative Law Enforcement.
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Twitter is ablaze about a study that shows direct links to gun ownership and higher deaths etc. Who knew
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
with a stolen car
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
with a stolen car
yeah, eff due process
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
with a stolen car
yeah, eff due process
The fact the car is stolen is irrelevant but that she used it as a weapon makes this one more understandable. I think there have been a number of legitimate cases of police brutality and excessive force but this isn't one of them.
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
with a stolen car
yeah, eff due process
Well, no, but also probably a good idea to not steal a car, ram a police office with it and drive away. If you don't do that, or attack a cop in general, I still think your chances of being killed by a cop are next to zero.
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Denver cop just murdered a 16 year old girl who was in a car full of other teenage girls.
Sounds like she ran a cop over first.
with a stolen car
yeah, eff due process
She would have gotten due process if she hadn't run over a cop.
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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27394478/denver-police-shoot-2-suspects-critically-injuring-one?source=infinite
Brianna Diaz, whose house backs up to the alley where the shooting happened, said her 16-year-old sister was a passenger in the car.
Diaz said her mother ran out of the house after hearing the shots and was stopped by an officer who grabbed her and tried to calm her down.
“My mom told me to start filming, but when I took out my phone, the cop was like, ‘Don’t you dare!’ ” she said.
Four teen girls and a teen boy had been sitting in the car in the alley for several hours, listening to music and talking, said the parent of one of the teens. She spoke on condition of anonymity.
Earlier in the night, several girls had gathered at Fred N. Thomas Memorial Park to play with a Ouija board and to hang out. The parent had been upset because her daughter had not come home Sunday night and had not responded to phone calls and text messages.
A neighbor captured a video of the female suspect being searched by police after she was shot. In the video, the teen is handcuffed and rolled on her stomach and back on the ground, appearing to be searched.
The girl is limp, silent and motionless as officers move her about.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/investigations/2015/01/28/witness-to-cop-shooting-tells-her-story/22449579/
Tuesday, 9Wants to Know investigator Chris Vanderveen spoke to a teen who was in the car at the time of the shooting. There were five people inside the car at the time.
She wants to remain anonymous for now because of the sensitive nature of the case.
“When the cops walked up, they were on [Jessica’s] side of the car, and they shot the window and they shot her. That’s when she wrecked, and that’s when the cop got hit.”
The eyewitness said, due to the shooting, Jessica was not in control of the car when it hit the officer.
The conflicting information doesn’t prove any wrongdoing on the part of Denver officers, it should be said, but it does offer an alternate theory as to what led up to the shooting.
The officer suffered a broken leg, according to Chief White. The witness tells 9Wants to Know the officer was pinned between the car and a fence, and that’s why the officer suffered a broken leg.
An autopsy completed by the Denver Coroner’s Office indicates Hernandez died as a result of multiple gunshot wounds. The office would not comment on what “multiple” meant, but another witness tells 9Wants to Know she remembers hearing at least four shots.
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Do the Denver police not have dash cams?
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So she was attempting to run over the cop when she was shot.
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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27394478/denver-police-shoot-2-suspects-critically-injuring-one?source=infinite
“My mom told me to start filming, but when I took out my phone, the cop was like, ‘Don’t you dare!’ ” she said.
that's not a good look
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What a sequence.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/28/seattle-police-jailed-elderly-man-for-walking-in-seattle-while-black
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/28/what-facebook-user-cynthia-whitlatch-wrote-about-chronic-black-racism
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/29/spd-officer-removed-from-street-duty-as-elderly-vet-says-she-arrested-him-because-hes-black
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/29/ex-tukwila-cop-says-spd-officer-cynthia-whitlatch-is-a-racist-who-once-stole-marijuana-from-police-evidence
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http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/03/lapd-reacts-to-video-of-officer-unarmed-homeless-man/ (http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/03/lapd-reacts-to-video-of-officer-unarmed-homeless-man/)
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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goddammit
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Rush was saying Holder and doj is going to sue and fine Ferguson for civil rights violations. How stupid are these people? The town is mostly black and llower middle clash, and has spent much this past year on civil and safety services. The citizen will have to foot the bill for Holder's action. Screw the poor and claim you helping them by providing vasoline.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?_r=0&referrer=
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Rush was saying Holder and doj is going to sue and fine Ferguson for civil rights violations. How stupid are these people? The town is mostly black and llower middle clash, and has spent much this past year on civil and safety services. The citizen will have to foot the bill for Holder's action. Screw the poor and claim you helping them by providing vasoline.
they should can the racist cops, save $$ that way.
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It's pretty remarkable they were able to find bias considering the cops per mob member, particularly given the fact the mob was 90%+ black.
And when I say remarkable, I mean it in the most cynical way possible.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?_r=0&referrer=
Gasp. So the Ferguson PD is raaaaaaacist because the percentage of arrests and drivers receiving tickets who are black is higher than the percentage of black population? These are the numbers games libtards like to play when screaming raaaacism. They like to pretend that the "disproportionate" ticketing and arrest of lback people has nothing to poverty or other factors.
In 2002, the New Jersey Attoreny General commissioned a study of motorist speeding by race as part of a consent order with the DOJ. The study was simple - troopers set up special cameras along 14 different highway locations and matched photographs of the drivers with radar gun readings. Three people then independently evaluated the ethnicity of the drivers in the photos, and the evaluators had to agree on the race for the speed to be included.
According to the study findings, in the 65 mph zone where motorists enter the turnpike from Pennsylvania, drivers identified as African-American were 64 percent more likely to be speeding than those of similar age and sex who were identified as white.
The DOJ immediately criticized the study as flawed and shelved it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/27/nj.speeding.study/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/27/nj.speeding.study/index.html)
This latest report is just another bullshit political exercise by the DOJ.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?_r=0&referrer=
Gasp. So the Ferguson PD is raaaaaaacist because the percentage of arrests and drivers receiving tickets who are black is higher than the percentage of black population? These are the numbers games libtards like to play when screaming raaaacism. They like to pretend that the "disproportionate" ticketing and arrest of lback people has nothing to poverty or other factors.
Would you be happy if they stopped talking about disproportion based on race and started talking about disproportion based on poverty or other factors? Would that make anyone less guilty of anything?
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?_r=0&referrer=
Gasp. So the Ferguson PD is raaaaaaacist because the percentage of arrests and drivers receiving tickets who are black is higher than the percentage of black population? These are the numbers games libtards like to play when screaming raaaacism. They like to pretend that the "disproportionate" ticketing and arrest of lback people has nothing to poverty or other factors.
Would you be happy if they stopped talking about disproportion based on race and started talking about disproportion based on poverty or other factors? Would that make anyone less guilty of anything?
Yes, I'd be happy with that. It would gut the DOJ's accusation of raaaacism for starters. If a certain group of people tend to speed more than other people, or commit more violent crime, then that's a choice, and it's on those people regardless of poverty or other circumstances. It's not the fault of the police.
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What K-S-U is saying is that he isn't racist, it's just that blacks choose to commit more crimes.
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I'm justt saying that trying to find racial bias in this highly anomolous situation seems misguided, counter productive and outcome oriented.
The overall obsession with trying to prove things are "inherently racist" that ksu is talking about is another discussion.
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Some of you are just awful.
What about the dogs, tazers, searches, arrest for petty crimes, and racist emails?
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In one instance, for example, a woman called FPD to report a domestic disturbance. By the time the police arrived, the woman’s boyfriend had left. The police looked through the house and saw indications that the boyfriend lived there. When the woman told police that only she and her brother were listed on the home’s occupancy permit, the officer placed the woman under arrest for the permit violation and she was jailed.
:sdeek:
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In one instance, for example, a woman called FPD to report a domestic disturbance. By the time the police arrived, the woman’s boyfriend had left. The police looked through the house and saw indications that the boyfriend lived there. When the woman told police that only she and her brother were listed on the home’s occupancy permit, the officer placed the woman under arrest for the permit violation and she was jailed.
:sdeek:
Hahahahah
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/justice-department-finds-pattern-of-police-bias-and-excessive-force-in-ferguson.html?_r=0&referrer=
Gasp. So the Ferguson PD is raaaaaaacist because the percentage of arrests and drivers receiving tickets who are black is higher than the percentage of black population? These are the numbers games libtards like to play when screaming raaaacism. They like to pretend that the "disproportionate" ticketing and arrest of lback people has nothing to poverty or other factors.
In 2002, the New Jersey Attoreny General commissioned a study of motorist speeding by race as part of a consent order with the DOJ. The study was simple - troopers set up special cameras along 14 different highway locations and matched photographs of the drivers with radar gun readings. Three people then independently evaluated the ethnicity of the drivers in the photos, and the evaluators had to agree on the race for the speed to be included.
According to the study findings, in the 65 mph zone where motorists enter the turnpike from Pennsylvania, drivers identified as African-American were 64 percent more likely to be speeding than those of similar age and sex who were identified as white.
The DOJ immediately criticized the study as flawed and shelved it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/27/nj.speeding.study/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/27/nj.speeding.study/index.html)
This latest report is just another bullshit political exercise by the DOJ.
I would rely on the amount of gross racist cartoons they send each other as a better indicator. I am sure they checked those bigoted viewpoints at the door when they patrolled and it was just the minorities committing crimes that caused them to arrest them at a much higher rate.
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I didn't realize the investigation spanned beyond the riots. I'll withdraw my comments and agree the the FPD is a bunch of hillbilly missouruh racists. Probably discriminate against poors, too.
What's weird is that even minority cops are racist towards their own races.
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
Free pass then
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
Free pass then
No, I wouldn't say that. They are public employees. We pay their salaries. Even behind-the-scenes racism is unacceptable. But just because they use crude, inappropriate, and downright racist humor in the office doesn't mean they're ticketing/arresting people based on racial motivation. The idea that black people are being ticketed/arrested in a disproportionate manner due to racism - as opposed to actually breaking the law - is contradicted by a number of studies.
I will say, and I have no basis for this but it's just a hunch, that working law enforcement in a rundown mostly poor and minority community would probably make you somewhat jaded and, yes, racist, over time.
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
Free pass then
You're free to hand out passes as you please.
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
Free pass then
No, I wouldn't say that. They are public employees. We pay their salaries. Even behind-the-scenes racism is unacceptable. But just because they use crude, inappropriate, and downright racist humor in the office doesn't mean they're ticketing/arresting people based on racial motivation. The idea that black people are being ticketed/arrested in a disproportionate manner due to racism - as opposed to actually breaking the law - is contradicted by a number of studies.
I will say, and I have no basis for this but it's just a hunch, that working law enforcement in a rundown mostly poor and minority community would probably make you somewhat jaded and, yes, racist, over time.
So which part of my post do you find contentious? The claim that based on the emails there were some racist cops in that police department? Or that it's not good to have racist cops?
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Can we all agree, based on the emails, that there were at least some racist cops that worked for the FPD? Seems reasonable, yeah? And maybe we can take the next step and agree that it's bad if there are racist cops?
I would imagine that being a cop you probably get desensitized from a lot of stuff. In addition to racism, I'm guessing they deal with drug abuse, depression and other stuff they regularly encounter.
Free pass then
No, I wouldn't say that. They are public employees. We pay their salaries. Even behind-the-scenes racism is unacceptable. But just because they use crude, inappropriate, and downright racist humor in the office doesn't mean they're ticketing/arresting people based on racial motivation. The idea that black people are being ticketed/arrested in a disproportionate manner due to racism - as opposed to actually breaking the law - is contradicted by a number of studies.
I will say, and I have no basis for this but it's just a hunch, that working law enforcement in a rundown mostly poor and minority community would probably make you somewhat jaded and, yes, racist, over time.
So which part of my post do you find contentious? The claim that based on the emails there were some racist cops in that police department? Or that it's not good to have racist cops?
I don't disagree with either of those points. When I said "no" I was responding to Dugout.
Just as we agree that it's not good to have racist cops, we should also be able to agree that just because one race or another tends to be ticketed/arrested at a "disproportionate" rate is not necessarily indicitave of racism. Common sense studies such as the one I cited conducted by New Jersey contradict this. But that's exactly the allegation the DOJ is making and none of this has anything to do with the shooting of Michael Brown.
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SMH
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Why isn't the mainstream media picking this story up? It's just the cover story on cnn, fox news, cbs news, and nbc news. Why aren't the more mainstream outlets running with it?
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
You would find racism at the majority of companies if they were investigated as thoroughly.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
You would find racism at the majority of companies if they were investigated as thoroughly.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I'm not talking about racism, though - just government-sponsored pickpockets.
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
You would find racism at the majority of companies if they were investigated as thoroughly.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I'm not talking about racism, though - just government-sponsored pickpockets.
Oh. I've experienced it in Wamego. :dunno:
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
You would find racism at the majority of companies if they were investigated as thoroughly.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I'm not talking about racism, though - just government-sponsored pickpockets.
Oh. I've experienced it in Wamego. :dunno:
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I've been dinged twice in Wichita for bullshit "illegal turn" tickets, both times by a cop who was just lurking to write tickets. Not talking about speeding tickets or other legitimate safety violations.
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don't make illegal turns (twice)
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So apparently the DOJ concludes that Ferguson PD had a culture of writing as many tickets as possible to raise revenue? Can the DOJ investigate every PD in the country for the same thing? I would support that. Or I could even give them a list to start with. Where is DeputyDawg when you need him?
You would find racism at the majority of companies if they were investigated as thoroughly.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I'm not talking about racism, though - just government-sponsored pickpockets.
Oh. I've experienced it in Wamego. :dunno:
#TheWesIsTheFuture
I've been dinged twice in Wichita for bullshit "illegal turn" tickets, both times by a cop who was just lurking to write tickets. Not talking about speeding tickets or other legitimate safety violations.
I'm talking about being followed as soon as I got into town. Then driving around aimlessly to see if it was a fluke and being followed through numerous turns through residential neighborhoods. This happened on numerous occasions.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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didnt get shot tho #priviledged
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didnt get shot tho #priviledged
Well, yeah, but I also didn't take a swing at him.
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Haven't heard a peep from Al Sharpton. Hmmm
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didnt get shot tho #priviledged
Well, yeah, but I also didn't take a swing at him.
#privileged ! #spelling
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Why isn't the mainstream media picking this story up? It's just the cover story on cnn, fox news, cbs news, and nbc news. Why aren't the more mainstream outlets running with it?
Same reason you will not find a single thing about porn star Cytherea being violently raped on Google news. Actual rape not regret rape.
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Haven't heard a peep from Al Sharpton. Hmmm
Would be hilarious if the cops took to the street and burned down the rest of that shithole town.
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Why isn't the mainstream media picking this story up? It's just the cover story on cnn, fox news, cbs news, and nbc news. Why aren't the more mainstream outlets running with it?
Same reason you will not find a single thing about porn star Cytherea being violently raped on Google news. Actual rape not regret rape.
Can you clarify that last bit?
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Two cops gunned down by Ferguson last night? by a protester. Not much from the media this morning. Heard it on CBS morning news.
Haven't heard a peep from Al Sharpton. Hmmm
Would be hilarious if the cops took to the street and burned down the rest of that shithole town.
They have done plenty to wreck Ferguson
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just thought I would put this here, :frown:
http://sfist.com/2015/03/13/this_rap_video_shoot_was_raided_by.php
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just thought I would put this here, :frown:
http://sfist.com/2015/03/13/this_rap_video_shoot_was_raided_by.php
well that certainly makes the police look pretty rough ridin' ridiculous. maybe there's more to the story.
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just thought I would put this here, :frown:
http://sfist.com/2015/03/13/this_rap_video_shoot_was_raided_by.php
well that certainly makes the police look pretty rough ridin' ridiculous. maybe there's more to the story.
A commenter on another news site said a cop saw a gun and a known drug dealer.
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Welp. Association.
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Welp. Association.
Welp. Cops were right.
On March 8th at 5:30 pm, officers patrolling at Harbor and Northridge observed a crowd of subjects, many of whom were known Big Block gang members, congregating in the area. The officers inquired as to what was going on and were told by one of the subjects that they were getting ready to shoot a rap video. The officers left the scene but positioned themselves in an area of concealment and watched. One of the members of the group was seen producing a handgun and racking a round into the chamber. None of the subject around him appeared alarmed at the sight of the gun. The officers, along with back up units, detained the group and arrested the suspect with the weapon. The loaded .40 caliber semi automatic pistol was recovered. During a pat search of another suspect, a bag containing 12-15 rocks crack cocaine fell from his pant leg. He was arrested as well. Both suspects were booked at Bayview Station on their respective charges. The remaining subjects were identified, investigated, and released from the scene. (SFPD Case No. 150209417)
Also:
We have gang injunctions in SF in case you don't remember. There is no probably cause needed when an of the members of the group are listed in the gang injection as SF-based gang members. That was the point of the gang injection and SURPRISE! violent and gang-related crime has dropped precipitously since the injection went into effect a few years go.
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I bet the gun was black.
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hey if your old lady won't stop acting crazy, who do you call?
THE POLICE*
*if you want the police to show up and murder your wife for you
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article16452392.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article16452392.html)
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hey if your old lady won't stop acting crazy, who do you call?
THE POLICE*
*if you want the police to show up and murder your wife for you
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article16452392.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article16452392.html)
@wackycat08
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Saw a video on CBS news where two young black men beat on a white commuter who was asked what he thought about Michael Brown - they did not like his answer. So should we assume all blacks riding Metro are racist? I am sure the white guy was just minding his own business and did not provoke a response? Is this a hate crime? Should St. Louis have t-shirts Love, Don't Hit!
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http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-police-witnesses-uncooperative-ohio-shooting-151802133.html
Oh look at that, cops aren't cooperative when they screw up. More "us vs. them" mentality from the police.
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http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-police-witnesses-uncooperative-ohio-shooting-151802133.html
Oh look at that, cops aren't cooperative when they screw up. More "us vs. them" mentality from the police.
137-round barrage that killed two unarmed suspects
Brelo fired 49 rounds that night, which meant he had to reload twice
but only Brelo was indicted because he jumped on the hood and fired 15 rounds through the windshield after the car had stopped
Simply disgusting. I mean JFC these officers pretty much have to be taking roids and coke before their shift starts.
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None of you libbies want to comment on renocats story? Typical
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0)
Looks like murder to me.
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:frown:
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They shot and killed an unarmed kid outside of Chicago earlier this week, but to be fair, he had a gun a few minutes earlier.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0)
Can't wait to see K-S-U Wildcats! weigh in on this one. :users:
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I just hope T-Rav knows how to play this in his senate campaign.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0)
Can't wait to see K-S-U Wildcats! weigh in on this one. :users:
It appears the talking points haven't been released yet.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0)
Can't wait to see K-S-U Wildcats! weigh in on this one. :users:
It appears the talking points haven't been released yet.
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They will focus on this guy not paying some child support, POSSIBLY wrestling over a tazer.
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I just hope T-Rav knows how to play this in his senate campaign.
used to raise the roof, won't raise your taxes.
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First time I've popped into this thread for a while, and I haven't commented because I'm not familiar with the story. But good to see that the KSUDub derangement syndrome continues. :thumbs: :blush:
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First time I've popped into this thread for a while, and I haven't commented because I'm not familiar with the story. But good to see that the KSUDub derangement syndrome continues. :thumbs: :blush:
way to stay informed
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Ok, so as I understand it, the guy got pulled over for a broken tail light (classic dick cop move), resisted arrest, got tased, ran away, the cop plugged him 8 times in the back, the guy died, and cop was arrested for murder.
Lessons Learned:
1. If you're not a cop, don't resist arrest or run away from the po-lice.
2. If you are a cop, don't shoot an unarmed suspect in the back, or else you're going to be charged with and likely convicted of murder.
Sounds like the cop is going to get exactly the consequence he deserves. Am I missing anything else? :dunno:
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What caused the cop to shoot? Needs to be understood so it can be addressed going forward. Failure in training of some sort, etc...
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What caused the cop to shoot? Needs to be understood so it can be addressed going forward. Failure in training of some sort, etc...
I'm guessing every cop in America gets some training on not shooting fleeing unarmed people in the back. My guess is he was just a dick? Pulling people over for one busted tail light to give them a ticket and run their plate would be the first indicator that he was a dick. But then the victim pissed the dick off by resisting arest. Don't piss off dicks who carry a gun and a badge. (But also put said dicks who commit murder in prison). This doesn't seem very controversial. People are tryng to conflate this with Ferguson, and it just isn't even remotely the same thing.
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I don't know who "people" are, but I am certainly not comparing it to anything.
As for your theory, it's stupid to relate a cop being a dick to a cop shooting someone 8 times in the back. There is a deeper issue that causes the latter. The police need to find that issue and address it through training and better hiring practices.
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Everyone knows this is not even remotely close to Ferguson. In this case, the murderer was arrested.
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SEE, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT
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SEE, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT
He still might.
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SEE, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT
He still might.
Doubtful. Looks like he even picked up the taser and dropped it next to the body. All on video, thank goodness.
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Everyone knows this is not even remotely close to Ferguson. In this case, the murderer was arrested.
the thing is though, this guy was definitely getting away with it until the video surfaced. this basically calls into question every other police use of force that wasnt recorded. Sure, the guy has been fired and charged with murder, but how many other times has it happened with no consequences at all?
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I am at least with KSUW on the differences. Forensics would have revealed this dude was beating feet away from the cop where MB was shot in the front. Picking up the tazer and walking it over to the body shows this guy knew he mumped up.
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Why was the guy getting arrested anyway? DNR the story
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Broken tail light then ran while they were running his license.
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Why was the guy getting arrested anyway? DNR the story
From what I've heard so far. the guy owed child support and maybe had a warrant for his arrest.
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I like that ksuw is incensed that the dude was pulled over for broken tail light (a perfectly valid reason to be pulled over) but is just like "meh" about the dude getting shot in the back. Great look into the psychopath psyche
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I think he wanted to get shot so he didnt have to go to prison.
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I think he wanted to get shot so he didnt have to go to prison.
Yeah. Not paying child support is frowned upon in prison.
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I like that ksuw is incensed that the dude was pulled over for broken tail light (a perfectly valid reason to be pulled over) but is just like "meh" about the dude getting shot in the back. Great look into the psychopath psyche
I said the guy should probably be convicted of murder for shooting him in the back - that's "meh"? Killing the guy is a way bigger problem than pulling him over. I was just pointing out that the "one broken taillight" excuse is probably one of the most common excuses for pretextual traffic stops (right up there with "took a turn too wide"). This cop was a dick and, as it turns out, also probably a murderer.
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I like that ksuw is incensed that the dude was pulled over for broken tail light (a perfectly valid reason to be pulled over) but is just like "meh" about the dude getting shot in the back. Great look into the psychopath psyche
I said the guy should probably be convicted of murder for shooting him in the back - that's "meh"? Killing the guy is a way bigger problem than pulling him over. I was just pointing out that the "one broken taillight" excuse is probably one of the most common excuses for pretextual traffic stops (right up there with "took a turn too wide"). This cop was a dick and, as it turns out, also probably a murderer.
Not sure why you are taking heat on this one. I agree with everything you posted.
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I like that ksuw is incensed that the dude was pulled over for broken tail light (a perfectly valid reason to be pulled over) but is just like "meh" about the dude getting shot in the back. Great look into the psychopath psyche
I said the guy should probably be convicted of murder for shooting him in the back - that's "meh"? Killing the guy is a way bigger problem than pulling him over. I was just pointing out that the "one broken taillight" excuse is probably one of the most common excuses for pretextual traffic stops (right up there with "took a turn too wide"). This cop was a dick and, as it turns out, also probably a murderer.
Not sure why you are taking heat on this one. I agree with everything you posted.
It's a pretextual stop, and KSUW! is getting capped in the back
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I like that ksuw is incensed that the dude was pulled over for broken tail light (a perfectly valid reason to be pulled over) but is just like "meh" about the dude getting shot in the back. Great look into the psychopath psyche
I said the guy should probably be convicted of murder for shooting him in the back - that's "meh"? Killing the guy is a way bigger problem than pulling him over. I was just pointing out that the "one broken taillight" excuse is probably one of the most common excuses for pretextual traffic stops (right up there with "took a turn too wide"). This cop was a dick and, as it turns out, also probably a murderer.
Not sure why you are taking heat on this one. I agree with everything you posted.
It's a pretextual stop, and KSUW! is getting capped in the back
HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT!
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Missouri cops are just mind blowingly stupid
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/19/parma-police-resign-black-female-mayor_n_7097110.html
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37 years, 2 terms?
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A lot of WTF in that town. 740 people and a shitload of city employees. Sounds like the mayor was hiring his friend to do nothing.
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The judge in Tulsa letting that cracker leave the country to go kick it on the beach is an embarrassment
We are not surprised that Mr. Bates pled not guilty. We are, however, surprised that Mr. Bates would choose to go on a vacation to the Bahamas during this tumultuous time. Whether intended or not, Mr. Bates' vacationing in the Bahamas at this time sends a message of apathy with respect to the shooting and Eric's life. At a time when we are still mourning the death of a loved one that he shot down in the street, Mr. Bates will be relaxing and enjoying his wealth and privilege.
I'm sure the percentage of homicide suspects allowed to leave the country to vacation is less than one tenth of one percent of homicide defendants ever. I didn't have much of an opinion about the circumstances of this particular cop killing that dude but this Bahamas trip outrages me.
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The judge in Tulsa letting that cracker leave the country to go kick it on the beach is an embarrassment
We are not surprised that Mr. Bates pled not guilty. We are, however, surprised that Mr. Bates would choose to go on a vacation to the Bahamas during this tumultuous time. Whether intended or not, Mr. Bates' vacationing in the Bahamas at this time sends a message of apathy with respect to the shooting and Eric's life. At a time when we are still mourning the death of a loved one that he shot down in the street, Mr. Bates will be relaxing and enjoying his wealth and privilege.
I'm sure the percentage of homicide suspects allowed to leave the country to vacation is less than one tenth of one percent of homicide defendants ever. I didn't have much of an opinion about the circumstances of this particular cop killing that dude but this Bahamas trip outrages me.
I'd probably try to find a cooler place to go than the Bahamas if I thought I was going to die in prison. I'd probably not come back home, either. Let them come get me.
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was the cop who got a college kid drowned in the Ozarks ITT? i think it was. anyway, the cop who blew the whistle on the bullshit just got demoted and transferred. i am IRL outraged.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html)
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was the cop who got a college kid drowned in the Ozarks ITT? i think it was. anyway, the cop who blew the whistle on the bullshit just got demoted and transferred. i am IRL outraged.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html)
it was in the "all cops thread" but that is infuriating. Like, did they think no one would notice the demotion or something?
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html?referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html?referrer=)
After cops retreat from the "war on black people," the real war on black people intensifies. #blacklivemattermoreiftheyreshotbywhitecops
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html?referrer= (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/us/after-freddie-gray-death-west-baltimores-police-presence-drops-and-murders-soar.html?referrer=)
After cops retreat from the "war on black people," the real war on black people intensifies. #blacklivemattermoreiftheyreshotbywhitecops
Cops decide "if we can't murder you, we won't do our job"
Bad bad look for the police.
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was the cop who got a college kid drowned in the Ozarks ITT? i think it was. anyway, the cop who blew the whistle on the bullshit just got demoted and transferred. i am IRL outraged.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html)
MO and police are the worst.
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"Can't beat you to death while handcuffed? We quit! (Still pay us though)"
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
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http://www.wlwt.com/news/cincinnati-police-office-shot-in-madisonville-dies/33670456
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/trepierre-hummons1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/sonny-kim-family.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Terrible.
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
How many of the posts in the facebook thread are actually from stunted? I'm fairly sure this was in there. Anyway happy reading, feel free to share this, the actual truth, with all of the boys down at the Moose lodge.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10.pdf
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
That's terrible. :frown:
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http://www.wlwt.com/news/cincinnati-police-office-shot-in-madisonville-dies/33670456
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/trepierre-hummons1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/sonny-kim-family.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Terrible.
What's your point? Is it because there are some shitty black people on this planet, cops have license to be terrible at their jobs with deadly consequences? When you become a cop you know one of the hazards of the job is that you may get shot. When you go to the lake you really don't think your day is going to end by being handcuffed at the bottom of said lake by a crooked cop.
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
That's terrible. :frown:
I read the other day that people who have the word cat in their screen name are 25x more likely to commit domestic abuse. It made me cry.
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Sounds made up
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Sounds made up
yep, I just wanted to let everyone how sad it made me though even though it is obviously a made up stat
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You'll cry some more if you know what's good for you
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OMG not made up
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Interesting.
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You guys, I really don't want to commit a domestic abuse. :ohno:
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
That's terrible. :frown:
I read the other day that people who have the word cat in their screen name are 25x more likely to commit domestic abuse. It made me cry.
:gocho:
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http://imgur.com/gallery/C3ZiUIW
seems to be a bigger problem
That's terrible. :frown:
I read the other day that people who have the word cat in their screen name are 25x more likely to commit domestic abuse. It made me cry.
:gocho:
you are obviously not included
Gonna win 'em all!
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33545655
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does the black woman who was arrested for improper lane change and hung herself (allegedly) in her cell go in this thread?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33545655
and who keeps a weapon in a hat? good grief.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33545655
and who keeps a weapon in a hat? good grief.
People who constantly have guns on their brains.
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http://www.kctv5.com/story/29684560/lenexa-police-explain-arrest-video-that-goes-viral-on-facebook
lol
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See those cameras are great for both sides.
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Yeah, cameras for everyone.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/from-paris-to-ferguson/400853/
I'm constantly amazed at the selective nature of racism and self centered focus of some activists. When you say a guy who commits a pretty vicious robbery could be your husband, cry about black people disproportionately being targeted by police (while ignoring her "husband" violently robbing another person of color), and your next best issue of over-reaction is a guy who shot at police and subsequently killed, its hard to take you seriously.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/from-paris-to-ferguson/400853/
I'm constantly amazed at the selective nature of racism and self centered focus of some activists. When you say a guy who commits a pretty vicious robbery could be your husband, cry about black people disproportionately being targeted by police (while ignoring her "husband" violently robbing another person of color), and your next best issue of over-reaction is a guy who shot at police and subsequently killed, its hard to take you seriously.
Who committed a vicious robbery?
I think her "next best" issue is the police gassing peaceful protestors, and subsequently being pwned by a judge for it.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/from-paris-to-ferguson/400853/
I'm constantly amazed at the selective nature of racism and self centered focus of some activists. When you say a guy who commits a pretty vicious robbery could be your husband, cry about black people disproportionately being targeted by police (while ignoring her "husband" violently robbing another person of color), and your next best issue of over-reaction is a guy who shot at police and subsequently killed, its hard to take you seriously.
Who committed a vicious robbery?
I think her "next best" issue is the police gassing peaceful protestors, and subsequently being pwned by a judge for it.
Strong arm robbery not vicious, okay, thanks for the update.
And the fact that you protest the police defending themselves from a known criminal is absurd and Banks shows her further divorce from reality by framing the shooting as being near where her children go to school and near where she lives (which is highlighted by all her notes about her privilege leading people to believe she probably lives in a privileged neighborhood) as an attempt to make the cops defending themselves look illegitimate.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/from-paris-to-ferguson/400853/
I'm constantly amazed at the selective nature of racism and self centered focus of some activists. When you say a guy who commits a pretty vicious robbery could be your husband, cry about black people disproportionately being targeted by police (while ignoring her "husband" violently robbing another person of color), and your next best issue of over-reaction is a guy who shot at police and subsequently killed, its hard to take you seriously.
Who committed a vicious robbery?
I think her "next best" issue is the police gassing peaceful protestors, and subsequently being pwned by a judge for it.
Strong arm robbery not vicious, okay, thanks for the update.
And the fact that you protest the police defending themselves from a known criminal is absurd and Banks shows her further divorce from reality by framing the shooting as being near where her children go to school and near where she lives (which is highlighted by all her notes about her privilege leading people to believe she probably lives in a privileged neighborhood) as an attempt to make the cops defending themselves look illegitimate.
Its a shame the Judge didn't see it as protecting themselves when they hosed women down with mace. Stupid judge
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edn, what are your thoughts on vaginal searches on perps?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33917.msg1409636#msg1409636
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edn, what are your thoughts on vaginal searches on perps?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33917.msg1409636#msg1409636
sexual assault
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/from-paris-to-ferguson/400853/
I'm constantly amazed at the selective nature of racism and self centered focus of some activists. When you say a guy who commits a pretty vicious robbery could be your husband, cry about black people disproportionately being targeted by police (while ignoring her "husband" violently robbing another person of color), and your next best issue of over-reaction is a guy who shot at police and subsequently killed, its hard to take you seriously.
Who committed a vicious robbery?
I think her "next best" issue is the police gassing peaceful protestors, and subsequently being pwned by a judge for it.
Strong arm robbery not vicious, okay, thanks for the update.
And the fact that you protest the police defending themselves from a known criminal is absurd and Banks shows her further divorce from reality by framing the shooting as being near where her children go to school and near where she lives (which is highlighted by all her notes about her privilege leading people to believe she probably lives in a privileged neighborhood) as an attempt to make the cops defending themselves look illegitimate.
Its a shame the Judge didn't see it as protecting themselves when they hosed women down with mace. Stupid judge
Yeah totally different issue, but if you want to bring in random semi-related events we can.
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You linked the article where she wrote about it bud. I know the intent was to give her the business so you gotta take the good with the bad.
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You linked the article where she wrote about it bud. I know the intent was to give her the business so you gotta take the good with the bad.
Except you're taking the point remaking it into something to fit your narrative. I mean it would be like me saying she directly supports killing cops because she was protesting at that event.
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You linked the article where she wrote about it bud. I know the intent was to give her the business so you gotta take the good with the bad.
Except you're taking the point remaking it into something to fit your narrative. I mean it would be like me saying she directly supports killing cops because she was protesting at that event.
It wouldn't be like that all.