Not about the Quarterback play.

[puniraptor]

Face it, you fell it love with the idea that Waters was an elite passer with the ability to run.  We all did.  But he isn't.  Sams could make all the throws waters made and create on the ground, which would have won us the game.

If this is true, then explain why he didn't get the playing time.

BECAUSE WHAT THE F UCK

[kso_FAN]

My list of concerns:

Offensive line. I'll have to go back and look, but I remember several instances where we were beat on a single block that blew up otherwise well executed plays.

Defense. Inability to step up in crucial situations. NDSU was something like 11-18 on third down. We miss a lot of guys, but honestly about a dozen plays I thought "Arthur would've made that tackle". So yeah, stars matter, even if you only have a few high star guys.

Playmaker at RB. Hubert isn't awful, but clearly he needs to be the secondary guy. With an offense led by waters and no dominant offensive line he may not get 500 yards this year.

Very early returns are showing I could be wrong on not thinking this is Ell vs Dunn 2.

[kim carnes]

Face it, you fell it love with the idea that Waters was an elite passer with the ability to run.  We all did.  But he isn't.  Sams could make all the throws waters made and create on the ground, which would have won us the game.

If this is true, then explain why he didn't get the playing time.

i already explained it somewhere on the board, the only possible explanation is that bill is a racist, and i'm convinced that he is.

[nicname]

The QB is the only thing that could have been different.  What do you rough ridin' idiots not understand?

I think what is being called into question is the suggestion that Sams makes all of the other problems go away.

This. Its like 33 and KC assume that Sams would have Waters 21-29 for 280 and add 17 for 175 on the ground. Probably would've ran for more, passed for less, and still lost because our lines suck.

Face it, you fell it love with the idea that Waters was an elite passer with the ability to run.  We all did.  But he isn't.  Sams could make all the throws waters made and create on the ground, which would have won us the game.

If he is an elite passer I dont give a crap if he can run or not.  Snyder should be able to plan an attack to suit his skills.  Didnt seem like he did that tonight.  I don't really think he is though.  Great ball, great arm, but shorter than elite and not an incredibly fleet or savvy scrambler. 

[wetwillie]

How did gronk do?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Face it, you fell it love with the idea that Waters was an elite passer with the ability to run.  We all did.  But he isn't.  Sams could make all the throws waters made and create on the ground, which would have won us the game.

If this is true, then explain why he didn't get the playing time.

You need Snyder to explain that to you. Based on game film, there is simply no explanation.

[nicname]

_Fan is smart. 

[catzacker]

Sams could have made the TD throws, but not all the throws waters made.  Sams would have provided more of a true threat to run.  I am not sure if NDSt blitzes sams as much because of it. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

How did gronk do?

He might have played in 6 plays, which makes me take the Hubert criticism with a huge grain of salt, tbh. I mean, Sams only takes snaps out of the shotgun and is told to just score a touchdown (I'm assuming because that is what he usually does) while the other QBs get the benefit of actual rough ridin' offensive sets and plays and still struggle to score the god damned football but it's all Hubert's rough ridin' fault.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

[kim carnes]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

he would have made the throws necessary to win.  you play to win the game.

[jaa1025]

The line blows. The RB situation blows. And Snyder is going to rely on a 1 dimensional passing QB. Water's might be a good QB, but this team needs Sams to take the pressure off Hubert and take a defender away in the running game.

This would have been a blowout win if Sams would have started instead of a loss.

Will we even make a bowl game? Worst loss since Snyder returned?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

he would have made the throws necessary to win.  you play to win the game.

I hope you're right and Sams is the solution. I sure dont see the D or O-line (and with that, Hubert) getting much better.

I'll admit that part of my reservations is that it is just such a rough ridin' waste of an amazing arm to bench Waters just because we suck in so many other facets of the game.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

he would have made the throws necessary to win.  you play to win the game.

I hope you're right and Sams is the solution. I sure dont see the D or O-line (and with that, Hubert) getting much better.

I'll admit that part of my reservations is that it is just such a rough ridin' waste of an amazing arm to bench Waters just because we suck in so many other facets of the game.

The O-Line is all back from last year, when they were good enough for Hubert to make 1st team all Big 12, you rough ridin' dumbass. The problem is at head coach, and if he can't find a way to make Waters move the chains, then Sams has to play.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

he would have made the throws necessary to win.  you play to win the game.

I hope you're right and Sams is the solution. I sure dont see the D or O-line (and with that, Hubert) getting much better.

I'll admit that part of my reservations is that it is just such a rough ridin' waste of an amazing arm to bench Waters just because we suck in so many other facets of the game.

The O-Line is all back from last year, when they were good enough for Hubert to make 1st team all Big 12, you rough ridin' dumbass. The problem is at head coach, and if he can't find a way to make Waters move the chains, then Sams has to play.

And yet, they were completely dominated tonight. Go figure. Pretty sure that wasn't Waters fault.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think I've seen every one of Sams gametime throws, and no, he could not have thrown some of the lasers that Waters heaved tonight. He is a better runner, no doubt, but thats not the whole story. Snyder is just going to have to decide what's the better solution to paper over this shitty line.

he would have made the throws necessary to win.  you play to win the game.

I hope you're right and Sams is the solution. I sure dont see the D or O-line (and with that, Hubert) getting much better.

I'll admit that part of my reservations is that it is just such a rough ridin' waste of an amazing arm to bench Waters just because we suck in so many other facets of the game.

The O-Line is all back from last year, when they were good enough for Hubert to make 1st team all Big 12, you rough ridin' dumbass. The problem is at head coach, and if he can't find a way to make Waters move the chains, then Sams has to play.

And yet, they were completely dominated tonight. Go figure. Pretty sure that wasn't Waters fault.

Maybe it was McDonald's fault? Or maybe Lockett's fault? Because those are the only 2 other variables here.

[eastcat]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

I know Waters is white, so you are clutching at reasons for him to remain the starter, but if you care at all about winning football games, you should probably just support Sams.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

I know Waters is white, so you are clutching at reasons for him to remain the starter, but if you care at all about winning football games, you should probably just support Sams.

Annnnndddd let's make this about race too. JFC talk about melting down and jumping the shark. Again, I really hope Sams is the solution. He's not going to compensate for all our deficiencies, but maybe he'll serve better than Waters. I'm just going to miss that arm.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

I know Waters is white, so you are clutching at reasons for him to remain the starter, but if you care at all about winning football games, you should probably just support Sams.

Annnnndddd let's make this about race too. JFC talk about melting down and jumping the shark. Again, I really hope Sams is the solution. He's not going to compensate for all our deficiencies, but maybe he'll serve better than Waters. I'm just going to miss that arm.

Sorry, but it's the only explanation that makes sense. We have an offensive line that Collin Klein played behind and we all thought were a bunch of future NFL studs, yet Jake Waters plays 1 game behind them and we decide they must suck ass because Jake was awesome in Juco or something. Yet Daniel Sams scores a touchdown on 2 carries, as usual. Please explain your rationale if it isn't just simple racism, because I am at a loss.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

I know Waters is white, so you are clutching at reasons for him to remain the starter, but if you care at all about winning football games, you should probably just support Sams.

Annnnndddd let's make this about race too. JFC talk about melting down and jumping the shark. Again, I really hope Sams is the solution. He's not going to compensate for all our deficiencies, but maybe he'll serve better than Waters. I'm just going to miss that arm.

Sorry, but it's the only explanation that makes sense. We have an offensive line that Collin Klein played behind and we all thought were a bunch of future NFL studs, yet Jake Waters plays 1 game behind them and we decide they must suck ass because Jake was awesome in Juco or something. Yet Daniel Sams scores a touchdown on 2 carries, as usual. Please explain your rationale if it isn't just simple racism, because I am at a loss.

Seriously, I'd say you're drunk but your spelling is too good, so I'm just going to blame the pathetic racism charge as some sort of lame temper tantrum. If you can stomach rewatching this game, you'll find that our line got BLOWN UP time after time, you ass. This wasn't a matter of Waters taking too much time. It is frankly amazing that he completed as many passes as he did with our shitty line play tonight. Sleep it off man. Tomorrow is a new day.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Waters had in the neighborhood of 2 seconds every snap to get rid of the ball or get sacked. He actually evaded and made clutch throws more often than he mumped up.

Well, that must be his fault, or the receivers. Couldn't be the line. They're all back from last year.

I know Waters is white, so you are clutching at reasons for him to remain the starter, but if you care at all about winning football games, you should probably just support Sams.

Annnnndddd let's make this about race too. JFC talk about melting down and jumping the shark. Again, I really hope Sams is the solution. He's not going to compensate for all our deficiencies, but maybe he'll serve better than Waters. I'm just going to miss that arm.

Sorry, but it's the only explanation that makes sense. We have an offensive line that Collin Klein played behind and we all thought were a bunch of future NFL studs, yet Jake Waters plays 1 game behind them and we decide they must suck ass because Jake was awesome in Juco or something. Yet Daniel Sams scores a touchdown on 2 carries, as usual. Please explain your rationale if it isn't just simple racism, because I am at a loss.

Seriously, I'd say you're drunk but your spelling is too good, so I'm just going to blame the pathetic racism charge as some sort of lame temper tantrum. If you can stomach rewatching this game, you'll find that our line got BLOWN UP time after time, you ass. This wasn't a matter of Waters taking too much time. It is frankly amazing that he completed as many passes as he did with our shitty line play tonight. Sleep it off man. Tomorrow is a new day.

I am drunk beyond belief, yet I saw Sams score a touchdown on his first play as expected after our shitty performance tonight. The o-line is not, nor were they ever good enough for Waters to shine as starting QB. Hubert needs a scrambling QB or at the very least a FB to be effective as well.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Waters is a very good QB. He's just not our QB. Hell, Dunn was a very good QB. Waters could have signed with Texas and taken them to a Big 12 championship and BCS victory this year. We just don't have the surrounding talent he needs to succeed and we never will. We need a QB who can make plays with his arms and legs and all historic evidence says that QB is Sams. I really hope I don't look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) tomorrow and if I do, I will apologize, but I'm pretty sure I'm right right now.

[GoodForAnother]

My list of concerns:

Offensive line. I'll have to go back and look, but I remember several instances where we were beat on a single block that blew up otherwise well executed plays.

Defense. Inability to step up in crucial situations. NDSU was something like 11-18 on third down. We miss a lot of guys, but honestly about a dozen plays I thought "Arthur would've made that tackle". So yeah, stars matter, even if you only have a few high star guys.

Playmaker at RB. Hubert isn't awful, but clearly he needs to be the secondary guy. With an offense led by waters and no dominant offensive line he may not get 500 yards this year.

Very early returns are showing I could be wrong on not thinking this is Ell vs Dunn 2.

really the only post worth reading in here