Not about the Quarterback play.

[Ira Hayes]

I have a vision of them both being on the field at the same time. It is glorious. And it's not coming out before conference play starts. I think it will happen.

But still...the defense.

[kim carnes]

As i've said before, it absolutely blows my mind that Hubert and Rose are 1 and 2 at running back on the depth chart.  That is completely unacceptable from a recruiting perspective.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I thing the obvious solution is to start Sams next game and see what happens. If he can chew up more yardage and convert more third downs with his speed, despite our shitty line play, then he's the answer. My preference (and i think Snyders) was to use him as a red zone QB, but if we don't have a running game with Hubert and Waters, were going to have to sacrifice some passing ability for more mobility.

Again though, the whole premise of this thread is that QB play is about 10 on the list of things that lost this game. Our defense rough ridin' sucks. Period. Sams might provide marginally more offense, but our crap D is going to make it very hard to win 6 games this year.

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

The whole rough ridin' team sucks except for our wide receivers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The whole rough ridin' team sucks except for our wide receivers.

Backup QB looked pretty good, too.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The whole rough ridin' team sucks except for our wide receivers.

JFC. Waters does not suck. He may not give us what we need without decent line play and RB, but he is a tremendous passer. Sams probably doesn't suck either.

[CHONGS]

Waters may not suck, but nothing I saw hinted that he was a tremendous passer. 

[steve dave]

Waters may not suck, but nothing I saw hinted that he was a tremendous passer.

yeah, he looked decent. doesn't seem to be a real quick thinker.

[kim carnes]

Waters may not suck, but nothing I saw hinted that he was a tremendous passer.

+1

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

I thought he would go downfield more.

[steve dave]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

[ChiComCat]

On the QB draw plays, Waters looked like he was about to pass from about the time the ball was snapped until it hit his hands.  Then he just jumped up and down for 2 seconds (what the eff was that) and then ran once the defense reacted.  What a joke

[steve dave]

he's good at kind of curling into a ball before getting hit to guard his soft underbelly too

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

[steve dave]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Paul Watson:

Watch the whole thing. The end is the best part.

[kim carnes]

he seemed to throw alot of passes low, maybe some of them were intentional. 
he missed an easy outlet pass to Hubert.
he doesn't have a real live arm.
he threw 2 picks.
is he any better of a thrower than a guy like seth doege?  i'm not so sure, and i wouldn't want seth doege as my starting QB.

['taterblast]

all along i was scared that waters would start and we would call plays as if klein were still back there. and that's what happened. i think waters could be a pretty good qb in a spread system. if they're going to run the same ol stuff (which is fine), rough ridin' play sams.

[steve dave]

all along i was scared that waters would start and we would call plays as if klein were still back there. and that's what happened. i think waters could be a pretty good qb in a spread system. if they're going to run the same ol stuff (which is fine), rough ridin' play sams.

yes. this is exactly what I'm saying.

[kim carnes]

all along i was scared that waters would start and we would call plays as if klein were still back there. and that's what happened. i think waters could be a pretty good qb in a spread system. if they're going to run the same ol stuff (which is fine), rough ridin' play sams.

we can't run the spread

[yoman]

If we are ignoring e thread title and are talking about QB play, Waters under threw about everyone in the second, besides the TLBL TD. If we are sticking to the title, holy rough ridin' crap our dline is rough ridin' awful. Like should be playing at Pitt State awful

[ChiComCat]

Mueller tho.  Really the star turd

[Rage Against the McKee]

The D-Line looked like they could be a pretty good FCS unit until Britz got hurt, imo.

[yoman]

Mueller tho.  Really the star turd

Credit where credit is due. Mueller was the only one who looked like he should be on a d-1 roster. If he was a change of pace sub guy, I would love him.