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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3950 on: February 01, 2019, 11:07:38 AM »
It is highly doubtful that massive improvements to the power grid will occur in the next 10-15 years.  This is why back up power systems companies are flourishing.  Right now we have one of the largest public utilities in the country in or about to be in bankruptcy because they didn’t properly maintain their grid.

These two statements appear incongruent. You're essentially stating that you believe that utilities would rather go bankrupt than make the necessary investments in their infrastructure?

PG&E is likely going to file bankruptcy (if they haven't already) because they failed to properly maintain their power grid, which in turn caused numerous wildfires in which they were found liable for . . . if one of the largest power companies in the United States has done such a poor job of maintaining their grid, then you can only imagine what it's like elsewhere.     On most grids a singular ice storm or hurricane would render them non-workable for weeks, if not months in some circumstances.   We're talking decades and billions upon billions of dollars to remedy that situation.   That's not a system you want to go all in on with the backbone of your transportation systems.   Not to mention the fact that EV's are no where near being able to haul the proverbial freight if you will on the commercial side.    FYI Germany is converting 15 trains to FC power.

Yeah...that's typically how infrastructure upgrades work. And once upgraded, there's no reason to not trust that network with the demands of an electrified transportation system. And it's not going to happen all overnight - we're at least 30-75 years (if not longer) away from phasing combustion engines out of cars. Yes, it will cost untold billions to upgrade the grid, but there's already a ton of infrastructure in place and the benefits will go beyond facilitation of EVs - that money needs to be spent there anyway. Building all-new infrastructure to pump and transport hydrogen around the country will probably cost more, and run into alot of domain and regulatory problems along the way. The German FC train idea is actually a pretty good one. Since rail is limited to very few designated starting and stopping destinations, the infrastructure needed is alot less onerous than it would be to enable small vehicle transportation.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3951 on: February 01, 2019, 11:37:56 AM »
60 degrees on sunday.  May be the hottest on record.  Undisputed evidence of global warming?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3952 on: February 01, 2019, 11:56:00 AM »
60 degrees on sunday.  May be the hottest on record.  Undisputed evidence of global warming?

Lulz...60 wouldn’t even register in the top 10.
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« Reply #3953 on: February 01, 2019, 12:30:28 PM »
60 degrees on sunday.  May be the hottest on record.  Undisputed evidence of global warming?

Lulz...60 wouldn’t even register in the top 10.

For KC on 2/3?  I guess I will take your word for it

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« Reply #3954 on: February 04, 2019, 08:44:58 AM »
60 degrees on sunday.  May be the hottest on record.  Undisputed evidence of global warming?

Lulz...60 wouldn’t even register in the top 10.

For KC on 2/3?  I guess I will take your word for it

record is 76 from 1934

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3955 on: February 04, 2019, 08:52:15 AM »
Polar Vortex Tesla . . . more like Elsa

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3956 on: February 07, 2019, 12:19:48 PM »

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« Reply #3957 on: February 07, 2019, 08:38:30 PM »
Dumb

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3958 on: February 11, 2019, 10:51:07 AM »
For anyone who was curious about the EV vs. FCV debate, a very thorough analysis here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MzFfuNOtY&t=786s[/youtube]

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3959 on: February 11, 2019, 01:22:13 PM »
The price for hydrogen will come down.   Really hammers home how FCV will do most of the heavy lifting, and as the infrastructure get rolled out to support that, then efficiencies will enter the system.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3960 on: February 11, 2019, 02:17:03 PM »
Sure. All while the state-of-the-art for EVs stands still for the next 20 years.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #3961 on: February 11, 2019, 02:44:24 PM »
Sure. All while the state-of-the-art for EVs stands still for the next 20 years.  :rolleyes:

I didn't say that trey, you really need to get better at this.

The simple facts are, FCV's are much farther along in being able to move and start doing the heavy lifting on the commercial side than EV's.   In fact a real green initiative (not the communist one) should be to supplant all traditional powered commercial over the road/track vehicles with FCV's within a decade.   




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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3962 on: February 11, 2019, 03:42:05 PM »
good video, trey.  thanks for posting.
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3963 on: February 11, 2019, 05:31:21 PM »
materials science advances will lead to higher energy density batteries without the use of exotic (and ecologically costly) materials


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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3964 on: February 11, 2019, 10:48:58 PM »
Sure. All while the state-of-the-art for EVs stands still for the next 20 years.  :rolleyes:

I didn't say that trey, you really need to get better at this.

The simple facts are, FCV's are much farther along in being able to move and start doing the heavy lifting on the commercial side than EV's.   In fact a real green initiative (not the communist one) should be to supplant all traditional powered commercial over the road/track vehicles with FCV's within a decade.

8 times as expensive and less than half as efficient = poised for a real takeover

is the REAL green initiative the one where we use a bunch of coal and natural gas to get hydrogen?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3965 on: February 11, 2019, 10:55:35 PM »
dax,

what if we could make an electric car battery out of coal? would that be cool?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3966 on: February 12, 2019, 08:37:38 AM »
EV's for the foreseeable future are boutique automobiles. 

FCV's are leaps and bounds ahead of EV's in terms of being able to do the heavy lifting.   In fact, FCV's could replace every over-the-road/rail diesel (or similar) engine in short order if that was desired, with similar capacities, and increasing ranges.   EV's aren't even close to being able to meet  that kind of demand in capability over a broad scale.   The need for precious materials in FCV's is diminishing by factors measured in the ten's of percentage points. 

But  :lol: at your coal comments.




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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3967 on: February 12, 2019, 08:56:08 AM »
materials science advances will lead to higher energy density batteries without the use of exotic (and ecologically costly) materials

Charging technologies are also advancing also. 15 minute for a full charge is close.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3968 on: February 12, 2019, 02:44:52 PM »
what a rough ridin' joke.  lol @ california.

https://twitter.com/awalkerinLA/status/1095414002379718656

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3969 on: February 12, 2019, 04:36:30 PM »
Kansas should build one from Wichita to Garden City, 'cause it would be easy.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3970 on: February 13, 2019, 04:03:49 AM »
Just another blue state fail.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3971 on: February 13, 2019, 06:44:15 AM »
What if the electric car were made of oil and battery was made from natural gas?

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3972 on: February 13, 2019, 08:24:40 AM »
Kansas should build one from Wichita to Garden City, 'cause it would be easy.

They should connect Pittsburg, too.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3973 on: February 13, 2019, 10:35:16 AM »
What if the electric car were made of oil and battery was made from natural gas?

That’s really weak. 


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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #3974 on: February 22, 2019, 05:27:06 PM »
using little kids as pawns is terrible and also feinstein hilariously rough ridin' owning those little shits for being too young to vote is terrible

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