more than half the team will be new

[sys]

so it's hard to impossible to predict how good the team can be.  but if we assume they are all more or less standard goodish three star freshmen, i don't see this team getting into the nit.

1.  gotta have a pg.  nope.
2.  gotta have three scorers/shooters.  got two, and neither of the two is a reliable scorer at the big 12 level.
3.  gotta be able to defend.  lost the best four defenders from last year.  no returning shot blocker and half the team will be new.

doesn't look like an nit team to me.

[steve dave]

looks like a pile of garbage and I feel bad for our non-garbagey guys who didn't sign up for this crap

[scottwildcat]

looks like a pile of garbage and I feel bad for our non-garbagey guys who didn't sign up for this crap

Gip and Shane 

[pissclams]

experience is important as well, less so when you're ultra talented, but important none the less and should be mentioned here as a possible addendum to your list

[HELLHAMMER]

Shannon and Will got their wish.  It's Will's team now, results be damned.

eff Shannon.  eff Will.  eff oscar.  eff John Currie.  They deserve each other but they DO NOT deserve us.


I just hope Shane finally snaps and drops one or all of those cunts.

[kso_FAN]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i could see this team getting into the NIT. scheduling is pretty important and if they schedule gonzaga along with a bunch of scrubs then we could go 12-1 or something in non-con and 8-10 in con. that would be NIT worthy.

i can't however imagine how someone would think that this team would be better on either side of the ball though with what they've lost coupled with the sheer volume of newcomers.

[LickNeckey]

some say scheduling "in some respects be more important than recruiting"

these people are called losers

our HC is one

[kso_FAN]

i can't however imagine how someone would think that this team would be better on either side of the ball though with what they've lost coupled with the sheer volume of newcomers.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i can't however imagine how someone would think that this team would be better on either side of the ball though with what they've lost coupled with the sheer volume of newcomers.

 

[kougar24]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

[kso_FAN]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

40% in Big 12 play this year, 36% for the season. Not great, but not "can't shoot" either. We'll see how he does with more pressure next year.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

40% in Big 12 play this year, 36% for the season. Not great, but not "can't shoot" either. We'll see how he does with more pressure next year.

in fairness, kougar might have meant "can't shoot" as in actually physically being unable and/or unwilling to shoot. like play 40 minutes in a game and not take a shot "can't shoot".

[kso_FAN]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

40% in Big 12 play this year, 36% for the season. Not great, but not "can't shoot" either. We'll see how he does with more pressure next year.

in fairness, kougar might have meant "can't shoot" as in actually physically being unable and/or unwilling to shoot. like play 40 minutes in a game and not take a shot "can't shoot".

Well, he should've said "won't shoot" then. And in that case, I'd be a little more likely to concur.

[kougar24]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

40% in Big 12 play this year, 36% for the season. Not great, but not "can't shoot" either. We'll see how he does with more pressure next year.

in fairness, kougar might have meant "can't shoot" as in actually physically being unable and/or unwilling to shoot. like play 40 minutes in a game and not take a shot "can't shoot".

That too. He also is woefully unable to guard most other teams' SGs, so there's that.

[CNS]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

It's fine, the motion offense will resolve that.

[Cartierfor3]

Most significant off season of transition since going into 08-09.

One of the 3stars has be a real DITR, or the trio of Gip/Will/Shane must all get better. The inexperience at PG is the biggest concern, Will isn't the answer there. He can be serviceable at SG, but if will gets significant PG minutes it will likely be ugly.

A shooting guard who can't shoot isn't what I would call "serviceable."

40% in Big 12 play this year, 36% for the season. Not great, but not "can't shoot" either. We'll see how he does with more pressure next year.

After 2/23 where he went 2 of 3 at Texas:

1 of 5 vs. T Tech
0 of 1 @ Baylor
DNP    vs. TCU
2 of 3 @ OSU   (Throw up a prayer shots when the game was already over)
1 of 3 vs. Texas
0 of 3 vs. OSU
0 of 2 vs. KU
0 of 1 vs. La Salle

4 of 18 during that stretch and the 2 in Stillwater were meaningless. Couldn't defend vs. La Salle either. I know there were league games where he went 5 of 9 in but man, the way he ended the season just was atrocious.

[kso_FAN]

After 2/23 where he went 2 of 3 at Texas:

1 of 5 vs. T Tech
0 of 1 @ Baylor
DNP    vs. TCU
2 of 3 @ OSU   (Throw up a prayer shots when the game was already over)
1 of 3 vs. Texas
0 of 3 vs. OSU
0 of 2 vs. KU
0 of 1 vs. La Salle

4 of 18 during that stretch and the 2 in Stillwater were meaningless. Couldn't defend vs. La Salle either. I know there were league games where he went 5 of 9 in but man, the way he ended the season just was atrocious.

Good stuff. He's always been up and down during his career, last year had a significant up swing to even out plenty of bad shooting.

Again, I was simply making the statement that Will can be "serviceable" at SG. I think its pretty clear at least 2 of the FR guards better be able to play well; of course if next year's team is relying on Will too much it will get ugly.

[steve dave]

constant will hate is tiresome. he's not great and never will be. we all understand that. be mad at oscar and frank for not finding someone better if you want. it's not like sg is our only position that's going to suck ballsacks next year.

[Cartierfor3]

constant will hate is tiresome. he's not great and never will be. we all understand that. be mad at oscar and frank for not finding someone better if you want. it's not like sg is our only position that's going to suck ballsacks next year.

probably the suckiest of players on the media guide cover and billboards on I-70 though.

[HELLHAMMER]

Hey Shannon I know you're reading this thread.  Just want you to know something.

Not long after you and I meet face to face I will be arrested, and for good cause.

[michigancat]

10-2 + 7-11 = NIT

I think we can do it, you guys!

[sonofdaxjones]

constant will hate is tiresome. he's not great and never will be. we all understand that. be mad at oscar and frank for not finding someone better if you want. it's not like sg is our only position that's going to suck ballsacks next year.

Gosh, somebody around here said that 2 years ago or so, Frankites didn't like it very much.

[Skipper44]

10-2 + 7-11 = NIT

I think we can do it, you guys!

that is some wooly math right there, bubble watch threads are the new bracketology.

[chum1]

so it's hard to impossible to predict how good the team can be.  but if we assume they are all more or less standard goodish three star freshmen, i don't see this team getting into the nit.

1.  gotta have a pg.  nope.
2.  gotta have three scorers/shooters.  got two, and neither of the two is a reliable scorer at the big 12 level.
3.  gotta be able to defend.  lost the best four defenders from last year.  no returning shot blocker and half the team will be new.

doesn't look like an nit team to me.

On a lot of this it seems like certain individuals may be weaker than those they're replacing, but collectively they might be better.  Frank's recruits weren't desribed as good shooters.  oscar's are.  Maybe a few of them will be able to come in and hit some threes, even if none are as good as Rodney individually.  And maybe none won't be as good at pressure man defense as some of the departed players, but oscar obviously employs more of a team defense strategy.  How hard is that to learn?  Plus, we do have SOME important players returning.  It's pretty hard to imagine winning the conference one year and missing the NIT the next.