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« Reply #150 on: December 18, 2012, 04:33:09 PM »
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list?  Did you have a favorite?   

There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.

I was not on search committee  :cry:

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« Reply #151 on: December 18, 2012, 04:36:48 PM »
You haven't heard much of people pining for Frank.

Yes we have. Especially on here. But the outcry against oscar is much more loud and unified. And as RD said, even the tuckiest of tucks will be on board by year 3 or 4 unless the current trend we're on drastically changes.


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« Reply #152 on: December 18, 2012, 04:37:31 PM »
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list?  Did you have a favorite?   

There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.

I was not on search committee  :cry:

I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.

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« Reply #153 on: December 18, 2012, 04:38:51 PM »
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list?  Did you have a favorite?   

There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.

I was not on search committee  :cry:

I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.

He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that.  It was pretty vague.

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« Reply #154 on: December 18, 2012, 04:41:33 PM »
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list?  Did you have a favorite?   

There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.

I was not on search committee  :cry:

I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.

He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that.  It was pretty vague.

yeah something like that... "if some of these names pan out, you might be happy"  :dunno:  I don't remember exactly.

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« Reply #155 on: December 18, 2012, 04:44:16 PM »
Spent a little time just now trying to find the list.  didn't but found one that insinuated that there were NCAA issues involved with Frank:

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It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.

This has been completely left behind for the player revolt making frank unable to recruit talking point.

Would love some info on this and how it relates into all this.

Given that it was let go and that nothing has happened to any party involved, I am assuming it is BS.

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« Reply #156 on: December 18, 2012, 04:46:23 PM »
Maybe the NCAA came in and said you guys are in some major crap unless you hire this clean, nice guy, loser coach so we don't have to worry about you guys cheating or being relevant again  :dunno:

With how  :facepalm: this whole process looks it almost makes sense

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« Reply #157 on: December 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM »
Maybe the NCAA came in and said you guys are in some major crap unless you hire this clean, nice guy, loser coach so we don't have to worry about you guys cheating or being relevant again  :dunno:

With how  :facepalm: this whole process looks it almost makes sense

LOL, irrelevant programs are the ones the NCAA hits hardest.

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« Reply #158 on: December 18, 2012, 04:51:09 PM »
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list?  Did you have a favorite?   

There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.

I was not on search committee  :cry:

I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.

He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that.  It was pretty vague.

yeah something like that... "if some of these names pan out, you might be happy"  :dunno:  I don't remember exactly.

Closest I could find.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg499670#msg499670

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« Reply #159 on: December 18, 2012, 05:22:57 PM »
people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.

so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.

what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.

Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part:  I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire.  (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire.  Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of  winning at the high major level.  Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get.  oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired.  I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy.  Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses.  I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more. 

None of that was meant to defend Currie.  Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking.  This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well.  I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford).  I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major.   I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it.  Honestly, I did too. 

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« Reply #160 on: December 18, 2012, 05:39:16 PM »
people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.

so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.

what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.

Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part:  I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire.  (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire.  Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of  winning at the high major level.  Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get.  oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired.  I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy.  Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses.  I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more. 

None of that was meant to defend Currie.  Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking.  This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well.  I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford).  I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major.   I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it.  Honestly, I did too.

i don't disagree with any of that other than to say that i just don't understand how someone could chase off a coach that had been really successful at a school that is challenging to be successful at and replace him with a coach that was not successful at a school that is very easy to be successful at. i mean, compare franks five years while he was at kstate to weber's five years at illinios during the same time period. one is clearly better than the other and it's pretty hard to not succeed at illinois.

look at jake for an example. the guy had to chose between dayton and kstate. it was close but we got him. then he becomes the all time leading scorer in school history, plays in an elite 8, is loved by all, graduates, goes overseas to make half a million a year and when oscar weber was hired at kstate, he's still so pissed off that illinois didn't at least even try to recruit him that he goes off on twitter about the hire. i mean it was six years after the fact and he still had a chip on his shoulder that illinois didn't try to recruit him. illinois is an easy job and it takes a bad basketball coach to get fired from there and an even worse AD to think that the fired illinois coach could succeed here.

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« Reply #161 on: December 18, 2012, 06:02:11 PM »
Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

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« Reply #162 on: December 18, 2012, 06:16:37 PM »
Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.

Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play

You'll never see the numbers

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« Reply #163 on: December 18, 2012, 06:20:49 PM »
Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.

We had an opportunity and gave it away

And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.

Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.

Gate numbers.

So that tells me that sales are down.  If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack.  We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.

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« Reply #164 on: December 18, 2012, 06:34:50 PM »
Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?

Oh yeah, this is Frank for me.  What we had was special & it was more than winning.  I was tempted, last week, to make a top 10 favorite youtube videos from the frank martin era thread. I didn't because I didn't want the thread to turn into a sonofkimcarnes crap show.  There were two names that were thrown around during the search that would have kept us a national brand, and kept me happy; neither of those names were on Currie's list.  I hated all of Currie's list.

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« Reply #165 on: December 18, 2012, 06:59:51 PM »
people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.

so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.

what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.

Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part:  I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire.  (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire.  Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of  winning at the high major level.  Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get.  oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired.  I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy.  Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses.  I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more. 

None of that was meant to defend Currie.  Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking.  This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well.  I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford).  I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major.   I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it.  Honestly, I did too.

i don't disagree with any of that other than to say that i just don't understand how someone could chase off a coach that had been really successful at a school that is challenging to be successful at and replace him with a coach that was not successful at a school that is very easy to be successful at. i mean, compare franks five years while he was at kstate to weber's five years at illinios during the same time period. one is clearly better than the other and it's pretty hard to not succeed at illinois.

look at jake for an example. the guy had to chose between dayton and kstate. it was close but we got him. then he becomes the all time leading scorer in school history, plays in an elite 8, is loved by all, graduates, goes overseas to make half a million a year and when oscar weber was hired at kstate, he's still so pissed off that illinois didn't at least even try to recruit him that he goes off on twitter about the hire. i mean it was six years after the fact and he still had a chip on his shoulder that illinois didn't try to recruit him. illinois is an easy job and it takes a bad basketball coach to get fired from there and an even worse AD to think that the fired illinois coach could succeed here.

Again, don't know for sure he ran him off, but assuming he did...or understood that was the perception.  I think he was enamored with the idea that he could get somebody that had accomplished everything Frank had and more.  Extenuating circumstances be damned.  ...and hell...if all this really went down in January (I don't think it did) then he was getting the coach of a top 25 team and had only had one really bad season is his career.  Maybe oscar just tanked last year to stick to pouty Illinois fans?  Maybe jokes on us?

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« Reply #166 on: December 18, 2012, 07:58:27 PM »
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« Reply #167 on: December 18, 2012, 07:59:55 PM »
also the joke is most definitely on us

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« Reply #168 on: December 18, 2012, 08:56:56 PM »
OMG, this thread. :lol:

Good thing I was off the board all day.  Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).

I'll note though that the AD using attendance talking points is exactly why I struggled with renewing.  My tickets being purchased and seats being used is being cited as evidence that the majority of KSU supports Currie/oscar.  Meanwhile, I'm home watching us hold off Texas Southern by 6 and thinking Daris may or may not have used my tickets.  Hopefully he did incase there's a surprise bobblehead at stake.  Saw 2 other donors at the gym around 6:15 who were skipping the game too.

KSTATEOhd.tv should feature video of cc posting on goEMAW with a picture-in-picture of him describing what he was thinking with each post.  I'd pay $100 for 5 minutes of just that.

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« Reply #169 on: December 18, 2012, 09:31:11 PM »
I had forgotten about the planted "the NCAA is investigating Frank" story.  How great was that!?  Obviously fake.  Obviously planted by Currie.  I mean, when the AD is planting phony investigation stories they have gone off the deep end.  I appreciate CC but he should be pretty  :eek: about planting that crap on here....which we promptly called out as crap.

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« Reply #170 on: December 18, 2012, 09:33:36 PM »
OMG, this thread. :lol:

Good thing I was off the board all day.  Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).

I'll note though that the AD using attendance talking points is exactly why I struggled with renewing.  My tickets being purchased and seats being used is being cited as evidence that the majority of KSU supports Currie/oscar.  Meanwhile, I'm home watching us hold off Texas Southern by 6 and thinking Daris may or may not have used my tickets.  Hopefully he did incase there's a surprise bobblehead at stake.  Saw 2 other donors at the gym around 6:15 who were skipping the game too.

KSTATEOhd.tv should feature video of cc posting on goEMAW with a picture-in-picture of him describing what he was thinking with each post.  I'd pay $100 for 5 minutes of just that.

This is not directed at Trim, but what really hurts us is all of the students who scan their ticket and leave because they want to watch KU kick our asses from a good vantage point. This just puts your ticket toward the gate numbers, which is all K-State really has to go off of to count attendance. If you are going to the trouble to get to the venue, why not watch the game? If you want to make some point, just stay home so you don't get counted. Getting counted and then having to watch the team play in front of a ghost arena is just the worst possible outcome.

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« Reply #171 on: December 18, 2012, 09:34:52 PM »
I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave

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« Reply #172 on: December 18, 2012, 09:36:25 PM »
The student issue will resolve itself after a few embarrassing loses

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« Reply #173 on: December 18, 2012, 09:38:03 PM »
If you want to make some point, just stay home so you don't get counted.

They're not trying to make a point.  They want to go to the ku game, because it's an event.  And they don't want to watch bruceketball.

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« Reply #174 on: December 18, 2012, 09:38:51 PM »
I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave

To be fair, I left the Gonzaga game at the last tv timeout after a drunken, profanity-laced rant directed at oscar 25 feet away.