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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: _33 on December 15, 2012, 10:17:44 PM
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the OOD
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JYC
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Rodney
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a brand
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OOD and JYC are bigger than that crap coach.
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a hot ticket.
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Fan support
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OOD and JYC are bigger than that crap coach.
No, I'm sorry. They're dead.
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The Stan/Frank dynamic
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jim rome
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Dunking on Bitches (DOBs)
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OOD and JYC are bigger than that crap coach.
No, I'm sorry. They're dead.
Doug rough ridin' Gottlieb would be leading the charge if he were in purple today.
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OOD and JYC are bigger than that crap coach.
No, I'm sorry. They're dead.
Doug rough ridin' Gottlieb would be leading the charge if he were in purple today.
Well yeah
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a reason to care
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relevance.
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relevance.
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a brand
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_33 videos (pretty arrogant but just saying)
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fun
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_33 videos (pretty arrogant but just saying)
I'll second that.
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how long before we recover? assuming we make a rescpectable hire after this
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how long before we recover? assuming we make a rescpectable hire after this
never. now you can turn out the lights, _FAN.
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how long before we recover? assuming we make a rescpectable hire after this
Doug Gottlieb......OVER rough ridin' NIGHT.
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how long before we recover? assuming we make a rescpectable hire after this
Doug Gottlieb......OVER rough ridin' NIGHT.
yeah, so...never.
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how long before we recover? assuming we make a rescpectable hire after this
As long as it takes to get a new AD
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Respect
Conditioning
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sandstorm
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Defensive principals
TapiPhone
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An offense that wasn't better than many but better than oscar's
TapiPhone
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something to be excited about
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Fun
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_33 videos (pretty arrogant but just saying)
good. I feel better about not finishing this silly little thing:
http://s1141.beta.photobucket.com/user/chunkles22/media/the-adorables-_zps1850a227.mp4.html (http://s1141.beta.photobucket.com/user/chunkles22/media/the-adorables-_zps1850a227.mp4.html)
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_33 videos (pretty arrogant but just saying)
good. I feel better about not finishing this silly little thing:
http://s1141.beta.photobucket.com/user/chunkles22/media/the-adorables-_zps1850a227.mp4.html (http://s1141.beta.photobucket.com/user/chunkles22/media/the-adorables-_zps1850a227.mp4.html)
Well now I'm really upset
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Hope
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A good coach
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something to fall back on when we realized we weren't a football school
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Balls
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A chance
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Attendance
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Whoever said fun. That's probably it.
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FTOB's
(that was my first post- everyone thought I was going to be a really good poster :cry:)
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plenty of fucks to give
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sandstorm
:cry:
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The ability to have a discussion with other team's fans and not be verbally kicked around and treated as a joke.
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Moxie, an identity, respect, a national audience, etc etc etc
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March pre-NCAA Tourney media nutswingers
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They'll try to pull out Sandstorm at some game this year, and the crowd reaction is going to be supremely depressing.
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They'll try to pull out Sandstorm at some game this year, and the crowd reaction is going to be supremely depressing.
Yeah, like old-grandmother-standing-and-softly-clapping-slightly-off-beat depressing.
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They'll try to pull out Sandstorm at some game this year, and the crowd reaction is going to be supremely depressing.
Yeah, like old-grandmother-standing-and-softly-clapping-slightly-off-beat depressing.
Would make a great protest. Just sit silently and do nothing during sandstorm.
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Tunnel Dances (They aren't fun anymore :frown: )
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10+ years of LickNeckey season ticket holding
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
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Because oscar is here.
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Hey crap, I asked this in another thread, but any idea as to where the official K-StateHD video of the Big XII Championship trophy presentation resides? Will it be issued on a dvd? I can't find it but assuming that it exists.
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I'll go with oscar being here. I think you could have plugged a shitload of coaches into this returning team and still maintained a level of excitement, or at least a good product where there was some reason for hope. We have neither now
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oscar :facepalm:
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Hey crap, I asked this in another thread, but any idea as to where the official K-StateHD video of the Big XII Championship trophy presentation resides? Will it be issued on a dvd? I can't find it but assuming that it exists.
No idea. You could contact someone in the Ath Dept and ask them, they might know. My guess is its included in a longer highlight tape thats online already.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
I think you've read my posts enough that I'm less reactionary than most. I understand giving coaches time, but you've got to see the softness that this team plays with and the complete inability to generate much scoring in the half court offense. Could it get better? Yes, but its hard to believe that after watching our two games against really good opponents.
I can only put that on oscar right now. If somehow it turns around, I will give him due credit, but while things look bleak I'll also give him credit for that. That's part of the job, especially when you are making nearly $2 Mil per to coach basketball.
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lost nearly all my interest in kansas state basketball the moment oscar weber was hired.
i'd be interested in currie's true feelings at the current situation. any indications around the office CC?
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
oscar.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
THE ANSWER IS oscar
No idea. You could contact someone in the Ath Dept and ask them, they might know. My guess is its included in a longer highlight tape thats online already.
Maybe the athletic department purchased the rockhouse film and it will be on the dvd and thats why it was taken down :ksu:
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oscar.
I'm still on the fence about Frank leaving, probably won't ever have all the details to be sure on an opinion one way or the other.
But I saw this as an opportunity to take things to the next level. Maybe I was naive to think that was possible? :dunno: Seems like a returning team laden with talent and a shiny new BTF would have made a splash hire possible.
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but College of Charleston was breathing down our necks
we had to move decisively
also i am afraid we might as well delete this :bball: :embarrassed:
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oscar.
I'm still on the fence about Frank leaving, probably won't ever have all the details to be sure on an opinion one way or the other.
But I saw this as an opportunity to take things to the next level. Maybe I was naive to think that was possible? :dunno: Seems like a returning team laden with talent and a shiny new BTF would have made a splash hire possible.
Yes. Hiring a failed coach from a program that was a slightly better job than ours was the absolute worst choice Currie could've made. Underwood, Boyle, hell maybe even Henson would've been received better by dedicated non-tuck basketcat fans. Thing is, we shouldn't have even had to settle for those candidates. Frank and Hugs built this program to a state where the "we're just little ol' kstate, we can't hire anyone good" meme should've been proved unequivocally false. Currie doubled down on it. That's why giving oscar a chance will be a non-starter with so many here, myself included.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
We now play shitty basketball with the tenacity of 8th grade girls. We made the decision to hire a coach who oversaw the exact same thing for the past 6 years at Illinois.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
I fell in love with K-State basketball during the 70’s and 80’s. I watched K-State play a lot of average to mediocre basketball from 1990 until Bob Huggins was hired in a very bold move. He showed what K-State could be again. I was extremely optimistic about K-State hiring a coach to follow up what Huggs and Frank rebuilt at K-State. I felt that all of the pieces were there when Frank left, but I lost all passion about basketball when oscar was hired.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
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I think losing Frank has more to do with all those things being gone than hurting oscar. Everyone Currie could/would have hired would have lost all the momentum, too.
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I think losing Frank has more to do with all those things being gone than hurting oscar. Everyone Currie could/would have hired would have lost all the momentum, too.
Yeah, I think CC's choices should be A) Frank being gone, B) Anyone who Currie would have hired being here.
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I think losing Frank has more to do with all those things being gone than hurting oscar. Everyone Currie could/would have hired would have lost all the momentum, too.
Just to be clear, are you saying that nobody else who would consider K-State would have performed any better than this, or are you saying that Currie is just too bad at his job to hire somebody who would be better?
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Currie could've realistically hired some young, up and coming assistant with recruiting ties and kept some momentum. You probably would lose some with Frank leaving anyways, but we hired this guy
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I think losing Frank has more to do with all those things being gone than hurting oscar. Everyone Currie could/would have hired would have lost all the momentum, too.
Just to be clear, are you saying that nobody else who would consider K-State would have performed any better than this, or are you saying that Currie is just too bad at his job to hire somebody who would be better?
Currie is too bad at his job. But really, his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
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Self-respect.
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Self-respect.
lol, like we had that before
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whatever the opposite of pity is
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Really it's a combination of both.
Currie decided to create a PR disaster with the Jamar witch hunt (complete with a made up story about receipts in trash cans...jesus christ) and subsequently tossing Frank under the bus. I mean, remember how awful that week was for Cat fans? rough ridin' awful.
Then, Currie takes three days in a hotel and a consulting firm to hire oscar rough ridin' Weber...
If that isn't a recipe for apathy, then IDK what is
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even after Currie's fiasco I think the right hire could have kept the program from sinking into apathy
I think it's 25% because Currie is a dumb eff that hates K-State and 75% that oscar is a super loser
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
oscar. Most expect his tenure here to resemble his at Illinois. We assumed he would have a solid team for the first few years and slowly drop into mediocrity. When you are not doing well, and have very little hope for improvement, it's really hard to get excited at all.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
oscar. Think many thought Franks run could end abruptly. This is already unwatchable. You can also kiss the residual revenue goodbye from walk-up type fans who embraced an identity/brand. Proof will be in the NYE game attendance this year.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.
How does it compare to Jake's last year?
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.
How does it compare to Jake's last year?
Very similar, I think. Don't have #s in front of me.
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Give oscar time. He'll get those gate #'s down where they belong. It's not his fault there is still some residual interest in the program because of what Frank built. No one said he was going to be able to burn this thing to the ground overnight. It's going to be a slow process. Let's all have a little patience.
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Give oscar time. He'll get those gate #'s down where they belong. It's not his fault there is still some residual interest in the program because of what Frank built. No one said he was going to be able to burn this thing to the ground overnight. It's going to be a slow process. Let's all have a little patience.
:lol:
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
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Hopefully at least it was because he called Currie a dickbreathed loser to his face every time he spoke with him
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
that's a good question actually. really a tough choice for me, because there seems to be a decent amount of information out there to suggest that frank's leaving was not his choice. that makes me pretty upset that he's gone and almost makes me want to chose that one.
i'd still have to go with oscar though. never in history has a basketball team done as well as kstate has for a decent stretch of time and then gone out and hired a guy that just got fired from a similar school that did much worse during the same course of time. just unexplainable really. i mean look at the coach of the school that we're playing tonight. he had a similar run while he was at inidiana. really good first year. national championship runner up the second year. then couldn't sustain it. did a major school go out and hire him immediately after indiana fired him? no. he went six years without a job before finally getting back into coaching and had to do it at UAB. weber is not good and the hiring of him was even worse. complete fail in every way possible.
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.
Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?
OK.
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I mean even if you want to give Currie a pass for having nothing to do with Frank, he still went out and hired a loser. There are no excuses for that.
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I don't believe that he was going to coach at K-State this year, but completely believe it was Currie's actions/inactions that created the situation. Currie couldn't have kept him this off-season, but the terrible Currie/Frank relationship is what made that impossible. Regardless, rehashing opinions on this same topic is not going to change anyones opinions at this point.
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I think CC is confusing Currie and the JamSam receipt situation. When CC hears us saying it's Currie's fault he thinks we mean the JamSam receipt situation that we blame Currie for, but really we are saying it's just Currie's fault in general. That would explain why CC thinks that if Frank wanted to leave in January it must have nothing to do with Currie.
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
people say stuff all the time though for a million different reasons and then never follow through. like seriously all the time. i've heard from a few people that at the end of the day, it wasn't frank's choice to stay or go. is that true? no idea but if it is then holy crap i hope he did something much worse than have a few choice words for will or tell people that he was leaving.
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.
Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?
OK.
Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.
Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?
OK.
Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.
The shitty half?
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his failure to retain Frank is far, far worse than his failure to hire a coach that could maintain momentum.
Frank was leaving no matter what, regardless of whatever effort Currie or anyone else could have put forth.
Frank sank his own ship.
Yeah, you've alluded to this before, and I don't believe you at all. Even if it really did get to that point, it's still a failure on Currie's part for allowing such a situation to arise.
You do know Frank is getting paid $2 million to coach basketball, right? And that EVERYONE on his staff loyally followed him? That's a pretty impressive ship sinking.
Not sure what you don't believe... He was telling staff members in January that he was gone. Any job that opened after the season he was going to take, it just happened to be USC.
It's USC's choice to pay him what they pay him. Not surprised at all his staff went with him, they are very loyal to each other. Doesn't change the fact that he wasn't going to coach at K-State this year, and it wasn't Currie's actions or inactions that created that situation.
Currie had nothing to do with Frank wanting to leave in January?
OK.
Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.
The shitty half?
We have a good half?
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Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.
The shitty half?
Lots of projected starters. He was very worried about how that would make him look and how they would recruit in the future. He saw the writing on the wall.
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Had much much more to do with half the team transferring after the season. I know this board blames Currie for everything, but his relationship with Frank was not the main factor. They weren't BFFs, dont get me wrong, but it was workable.
Half the team was already planning on transferring in January? Will must have really had the mutiny organized early.
Also, if it was known that Frank was leaving in January and we still ended up with oscar Weber, that is just a horrible job by Currie.
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If ADJC had indications that Frank was gone in January, then this hire is even more unforgivable. If you have months to put out feelers and you whiff so hard that all you can come up with is an Illinois retread then you're utterly incompetent at conducting a coaching search. If Currie was blindsided by Frank leaving, then that's not good either because it's been insinuated that Frank was gone no matter what and that means ADJC did a poor job of monitoring the situation.
And ultimately, this is what really matters:
I mean even if you want to give Currie a pass for having nothing to do with Frank, he still went out and hired a loser. There are no excuses for that.
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I think CC is confusing Currie and the JamSam receipt situation. When CC hears us saying it's Currie's fault he thinks we mean the JamSam receipt situation that we blame Currie for, but really we are saying it's just Currie's fault in general. That would explain why CC thinks that if Frank wanted to leave in January it must have nothing to do with Currie.
Decision was made by then. JamSam was unfortunate all the way around, but it had little impact on whether frank was coaching here this year or not
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Frank bielemaed us. That's my new theory.
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If ADJC he had indications that Frank was gone in January, then this hire is even more unforgivable. If you have months to put out feelers and you whiff so hard that all you can come up with is an Illinois retread then you're utterly incompetent at conducting a coaching search. If Currie was blindsided by Frank leaving, then that's not good either because it's been insinuated that Frank was gone no matter what and that means he did a poor job of monitoring the situation.
And ultimately, this is what really matters:
I mean even if you want to give Currie a pass for having nothing to do with Frank, he still went out and hired a loser. There are no excuses for that.
I don't think ADJC knew in January. He was telling his staff that at that time. Reached ADJC later on.
I've never defended who was hired. Always said I hope for the best and will support K-State.
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If ADJC he had indications that Frank was gone in January, then this hire is even more unforgivable. If you have months to put out feelers and you whiff so hard that all you can come up with is an Illinois retread then you're utterly incompetent at conducting a coaching search. If Currie was blindsided by Frank leaving, then that's not good either because it's been insinuated that Frank was gone no matter what and that means he did a poor job of monitoring the situation.
And ultimately, this is what really matters:
I mean even if you want to give Currie a pass for having nothing to do with Frank, he still went out and hired a loser. There are no excuses for that.
I don't think ADJC knew in January. He was telling his staff that at that time. Reached ADJC later on.
I've never defended who was hired. Always said I hope for the best and will support K-State.
Fair enough. Thanks for the info.
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What did Currie do to try to change Frank's (and the players') minds?
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That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.
CC, What do you make of things like the student section being 2/3 empty for many of the games? There were admittedly times over the last few years where it was not great, but it was never as bad as this year. I'm fully aware that number of tickets scanned might be similar because lots of students come and scan their ticket, then immediately leave? The butts in seats part seems much more important than this years ticket sales in the long term, and seems to give weight to the argument that more people are not as excited about this year as they expected when they bought season tickets. Are there any walkup / single game tickets being bought?
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What did Currie do to try to change Frank's (and the players') minds?
This is a good start to things that would need to be known to prove currie couldn't do anything one way or the other. I mean, Currie's job is to handle A personalities under stressful situations. So, given that the issue existed for so long, why didn't he manage those personalities.
Also, if this comes down to Nino, Sprads, etc big timing the AD, then that is a huge failing on the AD. Everyone not burning oscar down right now is following the mantra that KSU is bigger than frank martin. If this thought process is to be believed, than follow that to the point that KSU is so much bigger than Will freaking Spradling that it isn't even something that should be mentioned.
Frank left and took everyone with him to what you state is the absolute first job that would open up an take him. You don't take such a shitty opening/situation because of the perceived issues you may gain by running Will Spradling off because will can't handle the pressure. You take such a situation because your current situation couldn't be worse. Your boss has much more to do with that than a group of players. Especially those rumored to be involved. They weren't exactly Beaz, Walker, Jake, Denis, and Jamar.
What would Zenger do if the three KU starters that aren't Whithey or McLemore approached him and said that they had enough? He would do his best to not laugh at them and then tell them he is sorry they feel that way.
I mean, this is insultingly crazy.
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the whole thing is ridiculous though. depending on what side you believe, frank was either absolutely forced out and not allowed to stay at kstate -or- he knew back in january that he would take the first offer that he would get and was not willing to stay and half the team was leaving if he did, but again it was absolutely his choice to leave. because both sides/stories are absolutely out there.
then you have reports that oscar and keady were both in contact with kstate way before frank took the south carolina job. i mean i don't even know what to make of that. then currie in a dallas hotel room. him hiring an old buddy of his as a consultant. then the timeline of when oscar was actually hired and the odd rushing of him to manhattan (when he thought he'd be in new orleans for a few more days) to give the now famous cotton fitzpatrick speech.
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also, here's the deal with the oscar weber hire... at some point in time, almost every kstate fan is going to want him fired. it is what it is. the difference will be at what point in time did they come to that decision. for some of us it took two seconds after learning he was the new coach. for others it might be at the end of this season. for even others, maybe three or five years from now. most of us will get there though and i don't think the people that decided after two seconds are any worse fans than those that chose to give him a chance before deciding or that the people that decided after one year are worse fans than those that took three or four to reach their conclusions.
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the whole thing is ridiculous though. depending on what side you believe, frank was either absolutely forced out and not allowed to stay at kstate -or- he knew back in january that he would take the first offer that he would get and was not willing to stay and half the team was leaving if he did, but again it was absolutely his choice to leave. because both sides/stories are absolutely out there.
Currie is the common denominator in both of those "sides". How could a situation be so bad that it was beyond action in January unless Currie was behind the push? How could a guy that had turned down better jobs in the past openly state that he was on the first train out no matter how shitty unless all cards were stacked against him?
If it was franks decision, the decision was actually made for him way before that.
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lol @ team #burnitdown. Currie already did
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lol @ team #burnitdown. Currie already did
Just trying to take his control burn, fan it a little, and see if we can get this thing to forest fire up.
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depending on what side you believe, frank was either absolutely forced out and not allowed to stay at kstate -or- he knew back in january that he would take the first offer that he would get and was not willing to stay and half the team was leaving if he did, but again it was absolutely his choice to leave. because both sides/stories are absolutely out there.
Pretty much any player considered to be a good player for us was intending to transfer. It would have been a very significant story nationally, would make Frank look terrible, and would make it very difficult to recruit -- every coach in America would be pointing to a mass exodus at K-State as a huge red flag, and they would be right.
As for Currie, I'm sure he was in a tough spot -- he's hearing two sides of the story, and each side blames the other. Players and parents vs coaches. I'm sure he tried to get both sides to work together, to address their problems. But I'm also sure that at some point, it was clear that it was beyond salvaging.
I'm sure from Frank's point of view that would feel like he's being backed into a corner by outside forces and "forcing" him to look elsewhere when available. So someone from his camp might easily say with great conviction "he was forced out". But, you could also say that it was Frank's treatment of players that created the issue in the first place. So someone else might easily say with great conviction that Frank put himself in a position to not coach here.
All depends on who you talk to.
then you have reports that oscar and keady were both in contact with kstate way before frank took the south carolina job. i mean i don't even know what to make of that. then currie in a dallas hotel room. him hiring an old buddy of his as a consultant. then the timeline of when oscar was actually hired and the odd rushing of him to manhattan (when he thought he'd be in new orleans for a few more days) to give the now famous cotton fitzpatrick speech.
I know the players asked ADJC very pointedly that they be told first who the coach was. It was a promise he made them, and I think that affected the entire process because almost to a fault he went out of his way to do it very quietly. I think once he knew he had his guy, he wanted to get him in front of the team as quickly as possible before it leaked out.
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That will be a better comparison. Obv it will matter if the team is winning, but actual butts in seats will be interesting to see in meat of conf play. Thing to remember is that tickets sold is roughly where it was last year for all remaining games. If this year goes poorly and next year's home noncon slate is this bad, I think you'll start to see a real noticeable drop in season tickets. That hasn't happened this year.
CC, What do you make of things like the student section being 2/3 empty for many of the games? There were admittedly times over the last few years where it was not great, but it was never as bad as this year. I'm fully aware that number of tickets scanned might be similar because lots of students come and scan their ticket, then immediately leave? The butts in seats part seems much more important than this years ticket sales in the long term, and seems to give weight to the argument that more people are not as excited about this year as they expected when they bought season tickets. Are there any walkup / single game tickets being bought?
I've done this at atleast 3 games this year and am doing this at a much higher rate than I have the last 2 years. And this isn't just me, I have friends that do the same and are doing it much more than the last 2 years. We don't care to schedule around the games nearly as much to go watch oscar coach against a shitty team, but we still need the points for the KU game.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
You haven't heard much of people pining for Frank. It's more because of the loser, squeaky-voiced head coach that was hired, which makes us long for the days of last year.
We could have maintained with Underwood, just like we maintained with no name Frank Martin.
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I still find it hard to believe Frank knew he was leaving in January because he knew all his players were transfering, but Currie did not know this. The players then followed up on already deciding to quit for Frank by continuing to play hard for him the remainder of the Big12 season. This is then followed by them getting a new "nice" coach and they immediatly start playing with 1/3 the tenacity they had before, even less than they played with for a coach they'd already given up on.
Sorry CC, I appreciate your insight, but this passes the smell test about as much as the story that a reciept was found by an anonymous person in a Dillons trash, then it somehow managed to find its way across town and just end up in the compliance office.
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depending on what side you believe, frank was either absolutely forced out and not allowed to stay at kstate -or- he knew back in january that he would take the first offer that he would get and was not willing to stay and half the team was leaving if he did, but again it was absolutely his choice to leave. because both sides/stories are absolutely out there.
Pretty much any player considered to be a good player for us was intending to transfer. It would have been a very significant story nationally, would make Frank look terrible, and would make it very difficult to recruit -- every coach in America would be pointing to a mass exodus at K-State as a huge red flag, and they would be right.
As for Currie, I'm sure he was in a tough spot -- he's hearing two sides of the story, and each side blames the other. Players and parents vs coaches. I'm sure he tried to get both sides to work together, to address their problems. But I'm also sure that at some point, it was clear that it was beyond salvaging.
I'm sure from Frank's point of view that would feel like he's being backed into a corner by outside forces and "forcing" him to look elsewhere when available. So someone from his camp might easily say with great conviction "he was forced out". But, you could also say that it was Frank's treatment of players that created the issue in the first place. So someone else might easily say with great conviction that Frank put himself in a position to not coach here.
All depends on who you talk to.
then you have reports that oscar and keady were both in contact with kstate way before frank took the south carolina job. i mean i don't even know what to make of that. then currie in a dallas hotel room. him hiring an old buddy of his as a consultant. then the timeline of when oscar was actually hired and the odd rushing of him to manhattan (when he thought he'd be in new orleans for a few more days) to give the now famous cotton fitzpatrick speech.
I know the players asked ADJC very pointedly that they be told first who the coach was. It was a promise he made them, and I think that affected the entire process because almost to a fault he went out of his way to do it very quietly. I think once he knew he had his guy, he wanted to get him in front of the team as quickly as possible before it leaked out.
Is this part common during coaching replacements? I mean, it sounds like asking the players for permission to hire a guy is a bad idea, but I am not involved in this stuff.
I just can't get over the idea that not only did our players drive the bus on Frank going, but also on who was eventually hired? Seems insane to me.
This just makes it sound like Currie is in over his head in his responsibilities.
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I can get over frank. It seemed like he wanted to solicit other jobs every year he was here. I loved having him but knew one day he would be gone.
I can't forgive currie for hiring a loser.
CC, does the ath dept notice any feelings that kstate bball is being destroyed? And it's not even just a goEMAW thing. Does the fact that only 3 people called into the oscar Radio show raise any red flags in the AD?
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I still find it hard to believe Frank knew he was leaving in January because he knew all his players were transfering, but Currie did not know this. The players then followed up on already deciding to quit for Frank by continuing to play hard for him the remainder of the Big12 season. This is then followed by them getting a new "nice" coach and they immediatly start playing with 1/3 the tenacity they had before, even less than they played with for a coach they'd already given up on.
Sorry CC, I appreciate your insight, but this passes the smell test about as much as the story that a reciept was found by an anonymous person in a Dillons trash, then it somehow managed to find its way across town and just end up in the compliance office.
Agree....If "All the good players" were planning on transferring you would think they wouldnt play hard and the whole thing would come crashing down in a splendid death spiral....Instead the team went out and won back to back road games against top 10 teams in Frankuary.
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CC, does the ath dept notice any feelings that kstate bball is being destroyed? And it's not even just a goEMAW thing. Does the fact that only 3 people called into the oscar Radio show raise any red flags in the AD?
Would love to know this as well.
Also, on the players playing hard after Jan, well if it was true, they needed to give other teams reason to want their transferring asses.
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Can I get some clarification in the Will's Ark theory: did all the alleged players go directly to Currie with their transfer ransom? Or was it a few who then indicated others would be comimg along too? And when we say "parents" let's just say will's dad. If we're calling Nino a projected starter under Frank then LOL. Losing will, nino, and gip are not losses. Kids want to leave until the reality of transferring hits them in the face harder than a profanity laced verbal barrage from frank.
Everyone wanted to leave so bad that after starting 4-5 in conference, they finished 6-3 with two top 15 rpi road wins.
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You haven't heard much of people pining for Frank.
Yes we have. Especially on here. But the outcry against oscar is much more loud and unified. And as RD said, even the tuckiest of tucks will be on board by year 3 or 4 unless the current trend we're on drastically changes.
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I think he meant that they wanted to know who was hired before anybody else. Not that they were necessarily involved in the hiring process.
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upper level mediocrity
LOL at upper level. Not if JO keeps doing what he has been doing and our shooting keeps sucking ass. Just those two things will put us the bottom half of the conf.
As for the players wanting to know who was hired but not being part of the process, don't think that this statement by them to Currie wasn't taken as a veiled threat to continue the thought of transferring if the new guy wasn't to their liking. I mean, that is exactly what they were asking for. Tell me who the new guy is so I can know if we are still going or not. That puts pressure on Currie to hire a guy that is approved of by players or lose your winning coach AND the team that pushed him out the door.
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Yea, I would agree that it was "we want to know who the new coach is ASAP so we can plan accordingly"
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Hmm, projected starters were going to leave? I would put my money on Angel, Upshaw and whom ever stayed averaging more than 60 points in actual non exhibition basketball games.
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I refuse to believe that Currie had 4 months notice then had to do a Dallas hotel room lock in to come up with Weber. That would be such a huge indictment of his intelligence that he would have been eaten by a bear now.
I still think this was a panic, "anyone but Gottlieb that is now a real candidate" hire that was forced on him by his $50,000 buddy and Keady.
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I refuse to believe that Currie had 4 months notice then had to do a Dallas hotel room lock in to come up with Weber. That would be such a huge indictment of his intelligence that he would have been eaten by a bear now.
I still think this was a panic, "anyone but Gottlieb that is now a real candidate" hire that was forced on him by his $50,000 buddy and Keady.
Either way, he looks very bad imo. AD's should be prepared to lose a coach at any time and should have an idea of who to go to. So if he was caught off guard, it wouldn't be worse than letting a handful of players force you into doing your job they way they want it done, but it would still be pretty bad.
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Does the fact that only 3 people called into the oscar Radio show raise any red flags in the AD?
Was this last night? Cliffs?
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Does the fact that only 3 people called into the oscar Radio show raise any red flags in the AD?
Was this last night? Cliffs?
trim's twitter.
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we had threads that didn't all end up being the same at the end of the thread and gave it away.
I'm bummed you guys.
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To be fair, it's extremely difficult for an adult in charge of a multi million dollar organization to be expected to contend with the resolve and will (heh) of a few 19 or 20 year olds. Because if anything, young adults know what they want and always stick to their decisions. Everyone knows that when young players threaten to transfer, they're already gone.
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CC, does the ath dept notice any feelings that kstate bball is being destroyed?
Are you asking if it is noticeable that a team performing poorly has produced fan complaints and requests for people to be fired?
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To be fair, it's extremely difficult for an adult in charge of a multi million dollar organization to be expected to contend with the resolve and will (heh) of a few 19 or 20 year olds. Because if anything, young adults know what they want and always stick to their decisions. Everyone knows that when young players threaten to transfer, they're already gone.
Yes, I am sure it was extremely easy to change their minds. Clearly, ADJC just didn't even try! They're just kids after all!
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So "important" players absolutely hated Frank and were going to transfer. Yet they continued to play strong though and won a game in the NCAAs.
Weber's previous team absolutely loved him and were going to stay. They tanked the season.
Frank leaves and we hire the guy who just had his team completely fall off a cliff.
Awesome
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So maybe I am short sited, but why couldn't everyone called the players on their bluff? I mean if they all did leave and Frank drew a huge amt of ire from the media, you could have just fired his ass for losing the team this season. I mean, oscar would have left The College of Charlotte(or whereves) one season later, or Currie could have had another year to hire a better guy.
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So "important" players absolutely hated Frank and were going to transfer. Yet they continued to play strong though and won a game in the NCAAs.
Weber's previous team absolutely loved him and were going to stay. They tanked the season.
Frank leaves and we hire the guy who just had his team completely fall off a cliff.
Awesome
You left out the part where we gave the guy we pay over $400,000 to oversee all of this a raise and contract extension.
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So "important" players absolutely hated Frank and were going to transfer. Yet they continued to play strong though and won a game in the NCAAs.
Weber's previous team absolutely loved him and were going to stay. They tanked the season.
Frank leaves and we hire the guy who just had his team completely fall off a cliff.
Awesome
yeah, that's the worst part of the AD lie
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also, here's the deal with the oscar weber hire... at some point in time, almost every kstate fan is going to want him fired. it is what it is. the difference will be at what point in time did they come to that decision. for some of us it took two seconds after learning he was the new coach. for others it might be at the end of this season. for even others, maybe three or five years from now. most of us will get there though and i don't think the people that decided after two seconds are any worse fans than those that chose to give him a chance before deciding or that the people that decided after one year are worse fans than those that took three or four to reach their conclusions.
I agree with this. I think the only fans we have who are horrible fans in this situation are the students who go out of their way to scan their tickets and then skip out on watching the team win, just so they can come back later and have a good seat to watch KU kick the crap out of us. If you are going to burn it down, burn it down. Nothing would send a better message than an empty student section for the KU game.
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CC, does the ath dept notice any feelings that kstate bball is being destroyed?
Are you asking if it is noticeable that a team performing poorly has produced fan complaints and requests for people to be fired?
Rereading it, that seems to be fairly literally what I asked, but not what I was going for.
I am more interested if the Ath Dept is using qualitative observations to determine the success/failure of bruceketball, or if we have to wait for the quantitative evidence to come through on an annual basis in the form of ticket sales, donations, etc.
Apathy is happening NOW but ticket sales arent going to prove that on your spreadsheet for a year.
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So maybe I am short sited, but why couldn't everyone called the players on their bluff? I mean if they all did leave and Frank drew a huge amt of ire from the media, you could have just fired his ass for losing the team this season. I mean, oscar would have left The College of Charlotte(or whereves) one season later, or Currie could have had another year to hire a better guy.
To be fair, this might have been Currie's plan. That plan doesn't really have any positives for Frank, though, so it makes sense why he would bolt.
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This whole thing would be so much easier if there was a publicly known line of failure that wasn't acceptable that we could monitor.
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To be fair, it's extremely difficult for an adult in charge of a multi million dollar organization to be expected to contend with the resolve and will (heh) of a few 19 or 20 year olds. Because if anything, young adults know what they want and always stick to their decisions. Everyone knows that when young players threaten to transfer, they're already gone.
Yes, I am sure it was extremely easy to change their minds. Clearly, ADJC just didn't even try! They're just kids after all!
Well, yeah. It was actually pretty easy. Just let Frank go and poof!
Problem solved.
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people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.
so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.
what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.
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This whole thing is just completely ridiculous. I mean, good grief.
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I definitely believe that there is nothing at all Currie or any other AD could do to keep Frank at K-State longterm. At no time, from the day we heard WVU was courting Huggins until the day Frank announced he was leaving for USC, did I ever think Frank was more than a one contract coach at K-State.
That said, this transition was a total clusterfuck. I do believe Frank, ADJC, the players, parents...everybody involved mumped themselves in the ass over the past year. Could've ended up so much better for everyone.
Now our program is at precarious crossroads and it is all in the hands of a guy who just turned a Porche into a Pinto. If it horrifically crashes, I don't think it's going to be easy to put the pieces back together. That falls squarely on Currie's shoulders.
BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
lol. No list. He got his #1 and only contender.
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Now our program is at precarious crossroads and it is all in the hands of a guy who just turned a Porche into a Pinto. If it horrifically crashes, I don't think it's going to be easy to put the pieces back together. That falls squarely on Currie's shoulders.
We are past the crossroads. Currie stopped and asked for directions from 1 person, that person pointed him the direction of a no maintenance road to his failure best friend, and Currie blindly said "thanks" and made the turn. We now can't get off the road for 2-3 years all while beating the crap out of our car on the shitty road.
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1. get sweet hotel in TX
2. hook up buddy
3. hang out for a few days
4. brunch
5. pool
6. oscar
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.
I was not on search committee :cry:
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You haven't heard much of people pining for Frank.
Yes we have. Especially on here. But the outcry against oscar is much more loud and unified. And as RD said, even the tuckiest of tucks will be on board by year 3 or 4 unless the current trend we're on drastically changes.
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.
I was not on search committee :cry:
I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.
I was not on search committee :cry:
I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that. It was pretty vague.
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.
I was not on search committee :cry:
I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that. It was pretty vague.
yeah something like that... "if some of these names pan out, you might be happy" :dunno: I don't remember exactly.
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Spent a little time just now trying to find the list. didn't but found one that insinuated that there were NCAA issues involved with Frank:
It would be best for me to not say anything about the NCAA involvement. It is ... complicated.
This has been completely left behind for the player revolt making frank unable to recruit talking point.
Would love some info on this and how it relates into all this.
Given that it was let go and that nothing has happened to any party involved, I am assuming it is BS.
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Maybe the NCAA came in and said you guys are in some major crap unless you hire this clean, nice guy, loser coach so we don't have to worry about you guys cheating or being relevant again :dunno:
With how :facepalm: this whole process looks it almost makes sense
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Maybe the NCAA came in and said you guys are in some major crap unless you hire this clean, nice guy, loser coach so we don't have to worry about you guys cheating or being relevant again :dunno:
With how :facepalm: this whole process looks it almost makes sense
LOL, irrelevant programs are the ones the NCAA hits hardest.
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BTW CC, can you devulge any other names that were on Currie's list? Did you have a favorite?
There was a thread back when he was hired where I went through it. There were a couple of candidates that said no, Boyle being one. I think some assistants were considered and examined, such as henson, not all were interviewed.
I was not on search committee :cry:
I had a faint memory that there was somebody you were kind of excited about during the search, but maybe that was wishful thinking.
He made a post stating that we might all be happy in a day or two or something like that. It was pretty vague.
yeah something like that... "if some of these names pan out, you might be happy" :dunno: I don't remember exactly.
Closest I could find.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg499670#msg499670 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=10755.msg499670#msg499670)
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people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.
so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.
what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.
Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part: I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire. (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire. Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of winning at the high major level. Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get. oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired. I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy. Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses. I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more.
None of that was meant to defend Currie. Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking. This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well. I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford). I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major. I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it. Honestly, I did too.
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people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.
so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.
what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.
Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part: I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire. (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire. Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of winning at the high major level. Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get. oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired. I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy. Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses. I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more.
None of that was meant to defend Currie. Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking. This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well. I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford). I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major. I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it. Honestly, I did too.
i don't disagree with any of that other than to say that i just don't understand how someone could chase off a coach that had been really successful at a school that is challenging to be successful at and replace him with a coach that was not successful at a school that is very easy to be successful at. i mean, compare franks five years while he was at kstate to weber's five years at illinios during the same time period. one is clearly better than the other and it's pretty hard to not succeed at illinois.
look at jake for an example. the guy had to chose between dayton and kstate. it was close but we got him. then he becomes the all time leading scorer in school history, plays in an elite 8, is loved by all, graduates, goes overseas to make half a million a year and when oscar weber was hired at kstate, he's still so pissed off that illinois didn't at least even try to recruit him that he goes off on twitter about the hire. i mean it was six years after the fact and he still had a chip on his shoulder that illinois didn't try to recruit him. illinois is an easy job and it takes a bad basketball coach to get fired from there and an even worse AD to think that the fired illinois coach could succeed here.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
You'll never see the numbers
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year.
Will be interested to see the #'s after conference play
You'll never see the numbers
If you have to use the "KU football method" to announcing attendance numbers, you're program probably isn't in good shape.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
Gate numbers.
So that tells me that sales are down. If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack. We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
Oh yeah, this is Frank for me. What we had was special & it was more than winning. I was tempted, last week, to make a top 10 favorite youtube videos from the frank martin era thread. I didn't because I didn't want the thread to turn into a sonofkimcarnes crap show. There were two names that were thrown around during the search that would have kept us a national brand, and kept me happy; neither of those names were on Currie's list. I hated all of Currie's list.
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people stay stuff all the time whether they mean it or not and then don't end up following through for a million different reasons as well. i'm going to quit smoking. i'm going to start dieting and working out everyday. i'm going to leave my wife this weekend and then we can always be together. this hangover is so bad that i promise i'll never get that drunk again. ever.
so we have frank telling some buds that he's leaving back in january. who cares. maybe he thought he really would, maybe it was a negotiation play, maybe frank says a million ridiculous things a day that most people would just roll their eyes at and go back to doing whatever they were doing. then we have some players that say that they'll leave. maybe they will. maybe they won't. who cares. i don't believe that a whole team would do as well as this team did down the stretch if they were all quiting, but again whatever. none of it really matters to me.
what does matter to me is that the frank/currie situ was handled horribly by both sides from beginning to end and possibly/probably ended with currie telling frank that he wouldn't be returning. i really don't think frank had the choice to stay. so frank took the first job he could get and that was done. all the while, our job search seemed to focus mainly, if not solely, on one of the few coaches that should have been just absolutely unhireable. it just makes no sense. like, if you want to kick frank out then whatever i guess. but don't kick him out and then replace him with oscar weber. the combo was just indefensible.
Quoted the whole thing because it's a good post, but wanted to comment on the bolded part: I think that the public perception that Currie chased Frank off, may have played a major part in the chicken crap hire. (I don't know if he chased him off or not, but there is no doubt that perception is there) I think he felt like he had to go after a "safe" hire. Somebody that had been a high major head coach and had a history of winning at the high major level. Unfortunately, those guys aren't easy to get. oscar actually fits that description in a "don't look too closely" way, and there is no doubt he could get him since he just got fired. I think Currie may have felt his leash was too short with the fanbase to take a gamble on an unproven up and comer after chasing away a proven guy. Frankly, it probably did apease a large number of the unwashed masses. I think an amicable split with Frank would have opened up options more.
None of that was meant to defend Currie. Just some insite into what he was possibly thinking. This is something I thought about during the coaching search as well. I thought it would be somebody with some high major wins, who had stumbled and was getting a second chance (like an Alford). I was suprised that it was oscar at the time, but the only thing that didn't really fit the model was that he was immediately hired after fired from a high major. I think he drastically underestimated the backlash from that part of it. Honestly, I did too.
i don't disagree with any of that other than to say that i just don't understand how someone could chase off a coach that had been really successful at a school that is challenging to be successful at and replace him with a coach that was not successful at a school that is very easy to be successful at. i mean, compare franks five years while he was at kstate to weber's five years at illinios during the same time period. one is clearly better than the other and it's pretty hard to not succeed at illinois.
look at jake for an example. the guy had to chose between dayton and kstate. it was close but we got him. then he becomes the all time leading scorer in school history, plays in an elite 8, is loved by all, graduates, goes overseas to make half a million a year and when oscar weber was hired at kstate, he's still so pissed off that illinois didn't at least even try to recruit him that he goes off on twitter about the hire. i mean it was six years after the fact and he still had a chip on his shoulder that illinois didn't try to recruit him. illinois is an easy job and it takes a bad basketball coach to get fired from there and an even worse AD to think that the fired illinois coach could succeed here.
Again, don't know for sure he ran him off, but assuming he did...or understood that was the perception. I think he was enamored with the idea that he could get somebody that had accomplished everything Frank had and more. Extenuating circumstances be damned. ...and hell...if all this really went down in January (I don't think it did) then he was getting the coach of a top 25 team and had only had one really bad season is his career. Maybe oscar just tanked last year to stick to pouty Illinois fans? Maybe jokes on us?
NOT DEFENDING HIRE.
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POUTY ILLINOIS FANS!!!!!!
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also the joke is most definitely on us
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OMG, this thread. :lol:
Good thing I was off the board all day. Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).
I'll note though that the AD using attendance talking points is exactly why I struggled with renewing. My tickets being purchased and seats being used is being cited as evidence that the majority of KSU supports Currie/oscar. Meanwhile, I'm home watching us hold off Texas Southern by 6 and thinking Daris may or may not have used my tickets. Hopefully he did incase there's a surprise bobblehead at stake. Saw 2 other donors at the gym around 6:15 who were skipping the game too.
KSTATEOhd.tv should feature video of cc posting on goEMAW with a picture-in-picture of him describing what he was thinking with each post. I'd pay $100 for 5 minutes of just that.
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I had forgotten about the planted "the NCAA is investigating Frank" story. How great was that!? Obviously fake. Obviously planted by Currie. I mean, when the AD is planting phony investigation stories they have gone off the deep end. I appreciate CC but he should be pretty :eek: about planting that crap on here....which we promptly called out as crap.
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OMG, this thread. :lol:
Good thing I was off the board all day. Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).
I'll note though that the AD using attendance talking points is exactly why I struggled with renewing. My tickets being purchased and seats being used is being cited as evidence that the majority of KSU supports Currie/oscar. Meanwhile, I'm home watching us hold off Texas Southern by 6 and thinking Daris may or may not have used my tickets. Hopefully he did incase there's a surprise bobblehead at stake. Saw 2 other donors at the gym around 6:15 who were skipping the game too.
KSTATEOhd.tv should feature video of cc posting on goEMAW with a picture-in-picture of him describing what he was thinking with each post. I'd pay $100 for 5 minutes of just that.
This is not directed at Trim, but what really hurts us is all of the students who scan their ticket and leave because they want to watch KU kick our asses from a good vantage point. This just puts your ticket toward the gate numbers, which is all K-State really has to go off of to count attendance. If you are going to the trouble to get to the venue, why not watch the game? If you want to make some point, just stay home so you don't get counted. Getting counted and then having to watch the team play in front of a ghost arena is just the worst possible outcome.
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
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The student issue will resolve itself after a few embarrassing loses
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If you want to make some point, just stay home so you don't get counted.
They're not trying to make a point. They want to go to the ku game, because it's an event. And they don't want to watch bruceketball.
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
To be fair, I left the Gonzaga game at the last tv timeout after a drunken, profanity-laced rant directed at oscar 25 feet away.
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When I was a student in late '90's, to ensure you could get fb student tix you had to buy bb tix. How many yrs until back there?
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
Yeah, I said it was not directed at Trim. I just quoted him because he said he debated not purchasing tickets to prove a point and I feel like some students are going and scanning tickets then leaving to prove a point. No point gets proven when your ticket gets scanned, though.
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
To be fair, I left the Gonzaga game at the last tv timeout after a drunken, profanity-laced rant directed at oscar 25 feet away.
Just fill in "Florida" for Gonzaga and you have my saturday night
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When I was a student in late '90's, to ensure you could get fb student tix you had to buy bb tix. How many yrs until back there?
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I think that is true about icat still
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
Yeah, I said it was not directed at Trim. I just quoted him because he said he debated not purchasing tickets to prove a point and I feel like some students are going and scanning tickets then leaving to prove a point. No point gets proven when your ticket gets scanned, though.
It wasn't even that not buying tickets would prove a point. It's that I didn't want my buying tickets - done because I love K-State basketball and the returning players on the team except Will and Nino - to be used as evidence that I support Currie/oscar. I knew it would happen, and ultimately decided I'd support the "good players" (returners that aren't Will and Nino) while making my true feelings known from inside fOOD.
Probably a waste of $800+.
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
To be fair, I left the Gonzaga game at the last tv timeout after a drunken, profanity-laced rant directed at oscar 25 feet away.
Just fill in "Florida" for Gonzaga and you have my saturday night
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Good thing I was off the board all day. Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).
he's ridiculous. there's nothing left to do but lol @ him.
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I can assure you Trim does not go and have it scanned then leave
Yeah, I said it was not directed at Trim. I just quoted him because he said he debated not purchasing tickets to prove a point and I feel like some students are going and scanning tickets then leaving to prove a point. No point gets proven when your ticket gets scanned, though.
again, none of them are trying to prove any point. they just don't want to go to games other than the ku one. go and scan and leave because they would just rather go do other things. can't say i blame them.
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Well, we know that Will Spradling instigated this "mass walk out". Does this make him more to blame than Currie and Frank? I think it does. Did some pimply squeaky-voiced teenager just single-handedly destroy K-State basketball?
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Well, we know that Will Spradling instigated this "mass walk out". Does this make him more to blame than Currie and Frank? I think it does. Did some pimply squeaky-voiced teenager just single-handedly destroy K-State basketball?
Yep. Assoc AD in the making. And completely bullshit that an AD would allow his hand to be forced by a handfull of players.
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Good thing I was off the board all day. Don't really have the time/patience right now to respond to each of cc's posts individually, I'm guessing I'd come off pretty nutty (lol).
he's ridiculous. there's nothing left to do but lol @ him.
I was going back and forth between the chat and the board during the game, saw CC enter the fray on page 2 or whatever and asked the chat'rs how it turned out. 8mp meh'd it, but I read through anyway. rough ridin' amazing. 8mp doesn't know comedy, and probably lost his spot on the fattyfestfest dais tonight.
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Do Chitty and Schultz even show up for games
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Do Chitty and Schultz even show up for games
Is there somebody reading the newspaper behind Weber?
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When I was a student in late '90's, to ensure you could get fb student tix you had to buy bb tix. How many yrs until back there?
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I think that is true about icat still
yap.
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Morbid curiosity, if you had to choose just one of these two choices, which is the biggest reason why these things listed in this thread are gone: because Frank is gone, or because oscar is here?
oscar. No question. I was willing to roll the dice and stay engaged, but when Currie showed he wasn't willing to roll the dice for the program, I was out. Haven't watched a game yet this year. Not out of anger. Just pure apathy. We hired a proven loser fresh from the loser-bake oven. If Currie doesn't give a crap, why should I?
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Being on team burnitdown has been tougher than I thought it would. Just fraught with conflicting emotions. Might try willing myself into believing this.
Pretty much any player considered to be a good player for us was intending to transfer.
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Being on team burnitdown has been tougher than I thought it would. Just fraught with conflicting emotions. Might try willing myself into believing this.
Pretty much any player considered to be a good player for us was intending to transfer.
Don't, because this has nothing to do with that. Even if the players transfering theory were true (still believe it's somewhere in the middle - like Will and someone else intended to transfer, Currie asked a couple others and they said "maybe"), that threat ended when Frank left. This is about Currie taking the week after Frank left, locking himself in a Dallas hotel room, giving some of KSU Athletic's money to his friend for doing no work, then hiring a proven loser in oscar Weber.
That's the other thing I'm shocked hasn't gotten more play than it has. Currie, our penny-pinching accountant, gave tens-of-thousands of dollars of KSU's money to his friend for doing absolutly nothing constructive for KSU athletics.
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the whole JC got strong armed by a snot nosed kid into this decision and had to move quickly to appease said snot nosed kid is so :confused: :embarrassed: :confused:
is JC that much of a spineless loser?
i just wish this info wasn't coming from JC's mouthpiece so i could blow it off as unbelievable :facepalm:
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the whole JC got strong armed by a snot nosed kid into this decision and had to move quickly to appease said snot nosed kid is so :confused: :embarrassed: :confused:
is JC that much of a spineless loser?
i just wish this info wasn't coming from JC's mouthpiece so i could blow it off as unbelievable :facepalm:
I can't get over how the tucks openly support the idea of this happening, and see it as something that needed to be happening rather than a kid bitching because he is a coward. Especially when they spend so much time talking about how easy, lazy, and wimpy the current youth is today(insert tuck difficulty growing up story). I mean, if the exact same thing happened to Bill instead of Frank, there would be a whole family of ultra high pitch voiced ultra pale ppl that would no longer be welcome in the state and receiving death threats that discuss stomping mudholes and stuff.
Completely baffles me.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
Gate numbers.
So that tells me that sales are down. If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack. We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.
JFC I just realized there are two ticket pack deals. There is one for the next 3 Christmas break games for $40 including the OSU game. Last year these games were sold out & packed
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The feb games will be telling. Attendance will prob spike in January since it is the beginning of conf. Feb will be when ppl will be there because they like the product or the place will be empty because #TeamBurnItDown will have been proven correct.
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
Gate numbers.
So that tells me that sales are down. If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack. We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.
JFC I just realized there are two ticket pack deals. There is one for the next 3 Christmas break games for $40 including the OSU game. Last year these games were sold out & packed
Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
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the whole JC got strong armed by a snot nosed kid into this decision and had to move quickly to appease said snot nosed kid is so :confused: :embarrassed: :confused:
is JC that much of a spineless loser?
i just wish this info wasn't coming from JC's mouthpiece so i could blow it off as unbelievable :facepalm:
I am not even close to being anyone's mouthpiece. If you don't want me to give you guys inside info, I won't. It really won't bother me at all.
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disagree with CC, he threatens to leave
wash, rinse, repeat
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
Gate numbers.
So that tells me that sales are down. If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack. We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.
JFC I just realized there are two ticket pack deals. There is one for the next 3 Christmas break games for $40 including the OSU game. Last year these games were sold out & packed
Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
Bullshit. Howard and Missouri were both over break and both packed. I was there and was stunned at the number of people at that Howard game, of course Mizzou was packed as well. Baylor was also over break, the Tuesday after the Mizzou game and the attendance for that game sucked.
Obviously your attendance figures on the box scores can't be trusted, so I challenge you to go find the turnstile numbers for Howard and Mizzou and come back on here and apologize for intimating that I'm lying. Since you won't do that if someone searches the board for the positive Po's thread I'll assure you that the attendance was mentioned.
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Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
See, this is my biggest worry. It is going to take YEARS for the quantifiable "facts" to show that kstate basketball is dead but it is dying NOW.
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I am not even close to being anyone's mouthpiece. If you don't want me to give you guys inside info, I won't. It really won't bother me at all.
i think you lie through your teeth on certain issues, but i trust your info on ticket policies and sales. does kstate double sell tickets on games they know will be sparsely attended? or should we assume that available tickets means the game(s) have not sold out?
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Frank being gone wasn't necessarily the end of the world, but with basketball in as good of shape as it had been in a long time, we wasted an opportunity to move forward.
We had an opportunity and gave it away
And CC, I know that we are probably over reactionary, but the crowds in Bram can confirm that we are not in the minority.
Gate numbers are very similar this year to gate numbers last year. Opponents in Bramlage have been complete dogshit in the noncon for the last few years, that impacts attendance more than anything. Few people drive from an hour+ away to see USC-Upstate on a Tuesday night or whatever, regardless of who the coach is.
Gate numbers.
So that tells me that sales are down. If sales aren't down you're going to have to tell me why the tickets were so severely devalued with that ticket pack. We haven't offered one of those since Huggins and even then I'm pretty sure that didn't include the ku game.
JFC I just realized there are two ticket pack deals. There is one for the next 3 Christmas break games for $40 including the OSU game. Last year these games were sold out & packed
Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
I can't speak to the season ticket seats, but last year (year before?) during winter break didn't they sell a bunch of cheap GA tickets to mostly townies/soldiers and fill up the student section pretty well?
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Baghdadbobcaptaincrap's avatar has a mouth that looks like a vagine. :emawkid:
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captaincrap, when it's obvious that Weber is a bad coach, will you tell us we were right?
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captaincrap, when it's obvious that Weber is a bad coach, will you tell us we were right?
He's going to need a rough ridin' DeLorean.
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disagree with CC, he threatens to leave
wash, rinse, repeat
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Well well well an entire thread devoted to how big the crowd was for the Howard game. I'm sure it was a giant conspiracy though, all of us were convinced that Currie was going to run Frank off, it was the day before January after all. We also knew Currie would make a nightmare hire and attendance would fall off a cliff so Nougat started the thread so we could look back a year later and mock Currie and we all went along.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18113.0
Also last year, yes they sold the tickets that the students didn't have for $20 I believe. The didn't give any away to soldiers for that one. They certainly didn't sell a pack of three games including a Saturday conference game for a total of $40. They also certainly didn't sell a ticket pack that had 5 games, 3 conference including KU for $200 or whatever it was. Last year the KU game was $125, This year its $50 for all intents and purposes.
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captaincrap, when it's obvious that Weber is a bad coach, will you tell us we were right?
He's going to need a rough ridin' DeLorean.
I haven't laughed that hard at a post in a while
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Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
Bullshit. Howard and Missouri were both over break and both packed. I was there and was stunned at the number of people at that Howard game, of course Mizzou was packed as well. Baylor was also over break, the Tuesday after the Mizzou game and the attendance for that game sucked.
Obviously your attendance figures on the box scores can't be trusted, so I challenge you to go find the turnstile numbers for Howard and Mizzou and come back on here and apologize for intimating that I'm lying. Since you won't do that if someone searches the board for the positive Po's thread I'll assure you that the attendance was mentioned.
Missouri game was impressive, i do remember that. It was the weekend after the Cotton Bowl and there was 8-9K there. Pretty good. Howard was much less than that, but still good compared to other noncons last year.
You were intimating that K-State was offering ticket packages which had never been needed before. That was incorrect.
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captaincrap, when it's obvious that Weber is a bad coach, will you tell us we were right?
He's going to need a rough ridin' DeLorean.
:lol: :cheers:
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captaincrap, when it's obvious that Weber is a bad coach, will you tell us we were right?
He's going to need a rough ridin' DeLorean.
Mr. Bread, I'm sorry I voted for TheTastyGreek as the best non-EMAW poster over you for last year's CASSYs. I won't make that mistake again.
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I am not even close to being anyone's mouthpiece. If you don't want me to give you guys inside info, I won't. It really won't bother me at all.
i think you lie through your teeth on certain issues, but i trust your info on ticket policies and sales. does kstate double sell tickets on games they know will be sparsely attended? or should we assume that available tickets means the game(s) have not sold out?
Let me guess, sys -- the posts where I say anything bad about Frank or anything halfway good about Currie are the ones where I "lie through my teeth".
I try my best to say whatever I know on here while avoiding getting in trouble. I might be wrong on things, or you might disagree, but its never my intent to deceive you guys.
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Last year there was one game over Christmas break, against Howard. It was not packed. The year before, there was a holiday ticket pack sold just like this year. Those games were very much not packed.
But, don't let facts get in your way.
Bullshit. Howard and Missouri were both over break and both packed. I was there and was stunned at the number of people at that Howard game, of course Mizzou was packed as well. Baylor was also over break, the Tuesday after the Mizzou game and the attendance for that game sucked.
Obviously your attendance figures on the box scores can't be trusted, so I challenge you to go find the turnstile numbers for Howard and Mizzou and come back on here and apologize for intimating that I'm lying. Since you won't do that if someone searches the board for the positive Po's thread I'll assure you that the attendance was mentioned.
Missouri game was impressive, i do remember that. It was the weekend after the Cotton Bowl and there was 8-9K there. Pretty good. Howard was much less than that, but still good compared to other noncons last year.
You were intimating that K-State was offering ticket packages which had never been needed before. That was incorrect.
The first paragraph was factually incorrect, I guess you're going to ignore the link I posted, thats fine, you have access to the turnstiles theres also photos and video.
Your second paragraph is a strawman. I have said multiple times that we had ticket packages during huggins, I had one. We hadn't had packages the previous five seasons. We haven't had packages that includes the KU game. All that being said, none of this is the point. The point is that you keep telling us that sales are similar, but ticket discounts currently being offered are somewhat unprecedented in recent history anyway. The sales promos aren't echoing your talking point.
keep spinning
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Let me guess, sys -- the posts where I say anything bad about Frank or anything halfway good about Currie are the ones where I "lie through my teeth".
I try my best to say whatever I know on here while avoiding getting in trouble. I might be wrong on things, or you might disagree, but its never my intent to deceive you guys.
not just those.
lots of people don't intend to deceive, or at least convince themselves they aren't intentionally deceiving. but humans are amazing at rationalizing their own actions and thoughts.
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The first paragraph was factually incorrect, I guess you're going to ignore the link I posted, thats fine, you have access to the turnstiles theres also photos and video.
Your second paragraph is a strawman. I have said multiple times that we had ticket packages during huggins, I had one. We hadn't had packages the previous five seasons. We haven't had packages that includes the KU game. All that being said, none of this is the point. The point is that you keep telling us that sales are similar, but ticket discounts currently being offered are somewhat unprecedented in recent history anyway. The sales promos aren't echoing your talking point.
keep spinning
Theres nothing to spin, my man. Sales are in fact similar. Ticket packages, both for break games and multi games, have been offered before. Usually those are planned out well in advance, normally in the late Spring when marketing materials are being designed. They are planned before any tickets are sold to general public. They are as much a reaction to the previous year's attendance and sales as anything else. Main difference is the KU game being added, and that was already being discussed as an option before Frank left.
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18113.0
FTR, i stayed true to my word re. Early Edition.
Pukeville, USA.
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I don't believe that last sentence at all. Why would you one year sell out of a single game ticket for $125 then the next year offer the same ticket in a discount package without thinking there would be a factor that would severely effect sales? The economy is recovering. I don't believe it because I can't believe that anyone in the AD would even consider such a horrendous business decision.
With one glaring exception this administration has been great with business decisions. If this was really proposed when Frank was still here I hope the person that suggested it received a reprimand or was sent to a sales professional development seminar or something.
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I don't believe that last sentence at all. Why would you one year sell out of a single game ticket for $125 then the next year offer the same ticket in a discount package without thinking there would be a factor that would severely effect sales? The economy is recovering. I don't believe it because I can't believe that anyone in the AD would even consider such a horrendous business decision.
With one glaring exception this administration has been great with business decisions. If this was really proposed when Frank was still here I hope the person that suggested it received a reprimand or was sent to a sales professional development seminar or something.
Oh please. Its a couple hundred seats. Its a different way to get people to fill the place up. People that can't afford season tickets and arent students would like to go to the KU game too -- they always complain to the dept about the lack of tiered pricing. So you kill two birds, fill in the gaps in multiple games and open it up to new fans.
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Do Chitty and Schultz even show up for games
Is there somebody reading the newspaper behind Weber?
:lol:
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I don't believe that last sentence at all. Why would you one year sell out of a single game ticket for $125 then the next year offer the same ticket in a discount package without thinking there would be a factor that would severely effect sales? The economy is recovering. I don't believe it because I can't believe that anyone in the AD would even consider such a horrendous business decision.
With one glaring exception this administration has been great with business decisions. If this was really proposed when Frank was still here I hope the person that suggested it received a reprimand or was sent to a sales professional development seminar or something.
Oh please. Its a couple hundred seats. Its a different way to get people to fill the place up. People that can't afford season tickets and arent students would like to go to the KU game too -- they always complain to the dept about the lack of tiered pricing. So you kill two birds, fill in the gaps in multiple games and open it up to new fans.
So you think lowering the value of a ticket well below what the market dictates because some don't want to pay the market price is good policy? woof. CC give me the hookup with some westside club seats. I loved macroecon, Roger Trenary was a stud, you must have had some pud grad student, ts & ps
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Roger Trenary was a stud
lol, great name drop.
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I think the board bombarding on CC is evidence enough on how bad it has got around here in a hurry :frown:
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"Goddamn it, Auburn. Answer my calls. I can't barf up any more pimento and cheese sandwiches, it's bad for my stomach lining."
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Roger Trenary was a stud
lol, great name drop.
Wow no Kidding
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I'm a Ticket Buyer Against oscar (T-BAB).
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Roger Trenary was a stud
RIP
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How did the NCAA investigation go?
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pffffft
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what a mess. I bet he showered several times and burned that suit after that.
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John Currie always looks like he just stepped out of a time machine from 1986
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Is the NCAA still investigating us? CC?
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Is the NCAA still investigating us? CC?
It's complicated.
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a coach and coaching staff that other schools wanted
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Is the NCAA still investigating us? CC?
It's complicated.
well I know, he stated exactly that and intimated that the NCAA was investigating Frank and/or KSU Surely by now we have some more info though.
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Is the NCAA still investigating us? CC?
It's complicated.
well I know, he stated exactly that and intimated that the NCAA was investigating Frank and/or KSU Surely by now we have some more info though.
It's usually quietest before the storm. Sanctions imminent????? :surprised:
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Is the NCAA still investigating us? CC?
It's complicated.
well I know, he stated exactly that and intimated that the NCAA was investigating Frank and/or KSU Surely by now we have some more info though.
It's going to take years to unravel.
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Prominent KC law firm involved?