Another school shooting

[steve dave]

I don't think most police officers should carry guns once the public is disarmed

[ChiComCat]

I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.

[HeinBallz]

Totalitarianism doesn't seem like it would be that far from causing anarchy.

[HeinBallz]

I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.

Most places provide gun locks for free. 

[Cire]

I don't think there is a good reason not to require gun locks to be sold with firearms.

Most places provide gun locks for free. 

Making people take them is different from having them for free IMO

[Paul Moscow]

Here's some interesting junk

Adolescent Masculinity, Homophobia, and Violence
Random School Shootings, 1982-2001

From 1981-2002, there have been 28 cases of random school shootings in American high schools & middle schools.
Findings:
1. School "shootings occurred in “red states” or counties (places that voted Republican in the 2000 election)
2. most of the boys who opened fire were mercilessly & routinely teased & bullied & violence was retaliatory.
3. White boys in particular might be more likely than African American boys to randomly open fire
4. the specific content of the teasing and bullying is homophobia

[Stevesie60]

White people are a menace to society.

[michigancat]

It just really makes your high and mighty personal liberty stance lose a lot of its luster. Oh, well.

that's the way personal liberties work.  i don't try to limit the liberties of other people to own/do stuff i don't care about, and i hope other people don't try to limit my liberty to own/do stuff i do care about.

Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

[kim carnes]

i think we should force all people to carry handguns.  if you get caught without your handgun, there should be a hefty fine.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Here's some interesting junk

Adolescent Masculinity, Homophobia, and Violence
Random School Shootings, 1982-2001

From 1981-2002, there have been 28 cases of random school shootings in American high schools & middle schools.
Findings:
1. School "shootings occurred in “red states” or counties (places that voted Republican in the 2000 election)
2. most of the boys who opened fire were mercilessly & routinely teased & bullied & violence was retaliatory.
3. White boys in particular might be more likely than African American boys to randomly open fire
4. the specific content of the teasing and bullying is homophobia

More interesting non-cherry-picked lists:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html

Also ran across this:

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

[ChiComCat]

Yea, I don't know if I buy that these are more prevelant in "Red" states.  Also, that Norway one is still just horrific.  Seems that nobody remembers that one or mentions it because it was not US but :sad:

[the KHAN!]

White people are a menace to society.

This is the first statement that's made any sense this entire thread. 

[sys]

Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.

[michigancat]

Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.

You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

It's fine.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Michigan Cat supports a more enlightened police state.  Where the bourgeoisie make the rules of society for the unwashed masses.

[nicname]

Yeah, that's how it works of you kind of like the idea pure civil liberties but want to run from a discussion about the problems with a pure libertarian mindset. It's not how it works if you're really serious about defending civil liberties.

i don't understand what you're trying to say.  please restate your thesis.

You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

It's fine.

It isn't lazy. He doesn't personally care too much about firearms because they, in his opinion, have little effect on him personally.  He does, however, respect liberty and thus the second amendment, supporting peoples right to bear arms.  In turn, he hopes that others respect his freedoms in areas that he feels are important to him. 

Sorry sys, if I am putting words into your mouth. 

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None of the above is lazy, it is the very basis of individualism that our country was founded on.  Individual liberty > mob rule.

[steve dave]

Very good speech by the president

[Cire]

Yep, great speech, great message

[_33]

Summary plz.

[Cire]

I'm going to take away your handguns

[kim carnes]

I'm going to take away your handguns

Really dumb.  He should force everyone to carry handguns.  If people know that everyone has a handgun then they are much less likely to try something.

[sys]

You are taking an extremely lazy stance that you don't even feel that strongly about, which is funny given the intellectual superiority you tried to claim early in the thread.

you're going to have to make your logic explicit, i'm trying very hard to follow your thought process, and i just can't.  i don't see anything lazy about my position.

[sys]

Sorry sys, if I am putting words into your mouth. 

not at all.  exactly what i have tried to say.

[Panjandrum]

They're having a memorial of the kids that were shot on CNN.

I don't want to throw my hat into a debate on civil liberties or the 2nd amendment.  People have strong feelings on the subject one way or the other.

What I want is to live in a country where we don't have to worry about this kind of violence.  I want to live in a country where people aren't overly paranoid about their government.  I mostly want to live in a country where people don't think this kind of stuff can be solved by praying it away or by carrying their own weapon.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that I probably need to look at becoming an ex-pat.  I may need to consult felix on good places to live abroad.

[kstatefreak42]

We can thank the corporate whore media propoganda machine for spreading this like it is a natioal trajedy and coercing the public that banning guns and destroying the 2nd amendment would be the best thing to do. sad thing is that majority of the sheep will willfully give up THEIR right to protect themselves and let the govt do it for them when the govt is trying to move into a totalitarian police state