Another school shooting

[schreds21]

shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?

Are you GEing here?  I've never had to fill out a state or federal form to purchase a vehicle and the only test I've had to pass for a driver's license was open book and a lol vision test

[Spracne]

shall not be infringed, etc. meat grinder needs meat.


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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1643977032509067272?s=20

I think we'd all take guns being and gun owners being regulated like cars and car owners are. Could you imagine the number of traffic fatalities a year if we treated vehicle use like gun use?

Are you GEing here?  I've never had to fill out a state or federal form to purchase a vehicle and the only test I've had to pass for a driver's license was open book and a lol vision test

You've never had to register a vehicle, get insurance, and (depending on your state) get a yearly inspection of said vehicle?

[Rage Against the McKee]

You have to pass a driving test to get your first driver's license. The test can be in driver's ed, but you still have to pass it.

[wetwillie]

What would be a similar test for guns?

[michigancat]

What would be a similar test for guns?

hunters safety course and exam. wouldn't be that hard to make a more general firearm safety exam a requirement for gun ownership.

[wetwillie]

And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

[michigancat]

And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.

[wetwillie]

And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.

Most gun deaths are suicides.  The Tennessee shooter hadn’t purchased a gun in like 9 months before the shooting. Drivers tests arent hard and neither would a gun safety test be.  Plus the existing amount of guns out there legal and illegal already is vast. These are angry white guys in their 20’s using assault weapons.  The feds can enact the assault weapons ban which is probably the most effective first step. Then you probably have to use unsavory methods like the patriot act to spy on your own citizens to figure out who these people are before they perpetuate a mass shooting.

[michigancat]

And you think this is going to stop people from doing mass shootings?

Who said that should be the goal? A gun safety test won't "stop" mass shootings, just like the drivers' tests don't "stop" deaths from car accidents. But it I think it would absolutely reduce the number of mass shootings (as many mass shooters would find it more difficult to get a gun) and perhaps more importantly, it would likely have an even greater impact on overall gun deaths.

Most gun deaths are suicides.  The Tennessee shooter hadn’t purchased a gun in like 9 months before the shooting. Drivers tests arent hard and neither would a gun safety test be.  Plus the existing amount of guns out there legal and illegal already is vast. These are angry white guys in their 20’s using assault weapons.  The feds can enact the assault weapons ban which is probably the most effective first step. Then you probably have to use unsavory methods like the patriot act to spy on your own citizens to figure out who these people are before they perpetuate a mass shooting.

OK? Do you think auto deaths would be impacted if we stopped requiring driving tests?

[wetwillie]

No

[Rage Against the McKee]

A lot of these suicides would either not happen or would take place by other means if it took going through a course or passing a physical shooting test that had to be scheduled a week or two in advance before getting the gun.

[michigancat]

A lot of these suicides would either not happen or would take place by other means if it took going through a course or passing a physical shooting test that had to be scheduled a week or two in advance before getting the gun.

IMO mandatory safety testing/training would also lead to safer storage and therefore more difficult access if the person wanting to kill themselves can't buy the gun.

[SkinnyBenny]

So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Even if the measure only affects 10% of mass shootings, that's one or two shootings per week.

[Institutional Control]

https://twitter.com/cbsmornings/status/1645429091716177922?s=46&t=hU61MNRKQXFa4a831KNtLg


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[Rage Against the McKee]

Just a day like any other day.

[sonofdaxjones]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

[DQ12]

"An active aggressor"

This pro assault weapons ban poster would like to understand why we have so many "active aggressors" in this country these days.

But alas, the people who want to only focus on the guns will shove that narrative aside immediately, even faster if the aggressor appears to align closely with their own political ideology, probably fly a few grifter politicians in for a day to scream at the podium about the political opposition and then hop back on the jets to get back to Washington for a nice dinner at Bistro Aracosia.

It's a good question, and it's hard to say.

On the one hand, I tend to think a lot of it has to do with the Neitzschian "God is Dead" prophesy.  A lot of hopeless young men who are angry at their (in their view) meaningless lives, and want a way to manifest their anger into some meaning. 

On the other hand, it's hard to reconcile why that kind of philosophy leading to mass killings seems uniquely american. Obviously, the wide accessibility of guns is a key ingredient.  I also think there's a big mimetic element to it too.  So, in sum (imo), we have a lot of "active aggressors" because we have a lot of disaffected young men who are angry about their meaningless lives and have access to guns and see countless examples of other (largely similar) examples of people getting attention for going out in a blaze of glory.  I think there's a lot of progress to be made on all three of those key ingredients.

[wetwillie]

So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

You guys keep referencing “required locked storage”, what does that mean?  How could you enforce something like that?

[star seed 7]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

[Rage Against the McKee]

So many gun deaths come from suicide. Would many suicides still happen, by other means? Sure. But a lot of them would be prevented by tougher access, longer wait times, and better locked storage. Many people, especially men, are incredibly impulsive and may make a decision in the heat of the moment that they can’t take back.

Also, safety courses and required locked storage would ansolutely reduce instances of toddlers shooting each other, and I for one think that’s a good thing.

You guys keep referencing “required locked storage”, what does that mean?  How could you enforce something like that?

Charge the owner of the gun as an accessory to any crime committed with the gun.

[wetwillie]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

[star seed 7]

It's crazy that gun locks are even debated. Wetwillie, do you worry about how a booster seat law is enforced?

[star seed 7]

When your toddler shoots your infant you go to jail for not securing your weapon

So who gets charged when the owner of the gun kills themself?

Gun locks aren't to keep guns from the owner

[michigancat]

some states already require a trigger lock be included with every sale.

In all honesty I think a lot of deaths occur in well-meaning households where people aren't properly educated on how to safely store and handle weapons and reducing those deaths is just as important if not more impactful as reducing mass shootings.